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[DrBlingzle]

A while back I did a poll like this in the old BSN (http://social.biowar...23/polls/47758/) and due to new information, new books coming out and inquistion coming out soon, I thought peoples opinions might of changed so I thought I would red-do it. Problem is we can only post polls in the off-topic section so I got the idea from Ericander77 to use survey monkey.

 

So, If you, as the inquisitor, gets to decide what happens to the mages what would you do?

Vote here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WN8KV8W

 

 

I apologise for the "Mages should be put in tighter control than before" and "The restrictions for mages should be slightly less than before" options being pretty vague but it would take a while for me to get into specifics and I'm just really lazy. Basically if your beleifes are somewhere between "Make 'em all tranquil" and "Same as before" go for "Mages should be put in tighter control than before" and if they're somewhere between "Free 'em all" and "Same as before" go for "The restrictions for mages should be slightly less than before".

 

Voting has now ended.

Not my choice but survey monkey only allows me to see 100 responses unless I get the upgraded membership and I'm sorry but I'm not going to pay £24 per month just to see some more responses. On top of that, I cant display the results neatly with the basic membership so I' m going to have to copy/paste all the results.

 

Results

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Option

Percentage of people who voted for this option

Number of people who voted for this option

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Spoiler

All mages must be killed.
5.00%

5

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All mages must be made tranquil.

1.00%

1

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Mages should be put in tighter control than before.
6.00%

6

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It should go back to how it was before the war.

3.00%

3

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The restrictions for mages should be slightly less than before.

49.00%

49

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All mages should be free.

26.00%

26

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Mages should rule like in the Tevinter Imperium.

6.00%

6

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Other (please specify)
4.00%

4

 

Resnses for other:

1. Mages and templars reconcile, Temp Order and Circle return with less pressure on both factions
2. Mages should be marched through the last remaining (secured) Breach and it should be closed after them, finally seperating the Fade and its influences from the physical world completely and allowing mages to live freely where they aren't a danger to others and others aren't a danger to them.
3. There should be special police to deal properly with bad Mages, but they should be allowed to live freely.
4. Way less restricted, and the restriction is done by the law and the chantry is not given legal power over mages. Also this only applies to previously chantry run areas. The Salish can do as they wish. Tevinter can keep their magisters but should lose slavery, but that's I guess not really related to the question.

 

And always discuss respectively (Yeah, like that's going to happen. Oh BSN...)

Modifié par DrBlingzle, 25 juillet 2014 - 08:35 .

[Althix]

... you know this entire conflict remainds me of ME3 side quest... for example to bring heating unit stabilizer. yeah sure galactic civilization as we know it is dying, but some eggs or whatever must be saved just to be harvested later on.

 

now we have this fade rifts and demons having fun in material world all over the continent, but solving problems between mages and templars comes first.

 

you know from my perspective and from a perspective of any sane human being, first thing must come first. and the first thing in all that is to close these rifts. some pety conflict could wait until then.

 

anyway 2nd. "slightly less than before"

[DrBlingzle]

Well my beliefs haven't really changed much so I went with "The restrictions for mages should be slightly less than before". I think it's morally wrong to keep mages in the conditions they're in now but they should still be watched over and accountable for their actions. Basically reconfiguring the current circle system to make it more based around education than imprisonment.  Also it might actually decrease the amount of apostates as less mages would try and escape the circle.

Modifié par DrBlingzle, 26 juin 2014 - 03:49 .

[Althix]

there are not many options avaliable.

 

for example you can't buy full-auto assault rifle, but you can buy semi-auto rifle for home defense. you should keep it unloaded in the safe. however, nothing but moral principles and fear of punishment can stop you from taking this gun from the safe, load it up and start shooting people on the streets. in some cases even this can't stop some mentally sick people.

 

now, mages are always loaded machine guns which fires rockets. so what you gonna do with it but lock them down, for the safety of people around them and their own?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Kill them and solve problem for good no more psychopatic mages destroying everything around and causing trouble in da 4.

[General TSAR]

Re-education, qun style.

 

x2.

 

Plus collaring them and depriving them of any sense of self through Qunari juice. They serve as nothing else but weapons of war. 

[renfrees]

Not this again.

[happy_daiz]

I voted that they should be free. 

[StrangeStrategy]

Kill them and solve problem for good no more psychopatic mages destroying everything around and causing trouble in da 4.

 

More mages will always be born, that's no solution. That's like pro-mage people saying "Kill all Templars, they're mean", that solves even less.


I have an Aequitarian view I guess;

- I think the mages should remain in the Circle.

- Apostates should be brought to the Circle for education.

- Mages should be allowed contact with friends and family after being brought to the Circle.

- Blood Magic, necromancy, demon summoning/communication and other dark magics are banned. With the exception of "Grey Areas" such as communicating with wisps, or using phylactery magic like Finn and the Templars do.

- Templars will serve as guardians to the mages. And to the people. They should be seen by the mages as vigilant protectors, instead of wardens.
- Templars treat mages with respect and common decency until they prove they are dangerous (Blood magic, necromancy, etc)

- Senior Enchanters who have had perfect behaviour will be allowed to travel abroad, so long as they always return to their tower each year.

- Mages and every rank past that will be allowed to travel the city their Circle is located in, so long as they travel with Templar guards.

- Most importantly, the Chantry must re-educate the commonfolk about mages, and how they are not all evil and some are very good people. With less fear, there will be less conflict.

- Tranquility or execution remains an option to mages who do not wish to take their Harrowing or be a mage.

- More research is done on the Right of Tranquility to determine whether or not it is more humane than execution, judging from Pharamond it isn't as peaceful as I expected it would be, but perhaps it only seems bad in comparison to real life... Which they can't make if they're Tranquil.

 

Basically, I want the Circles to return, but have them be seen as a home and sanctuary rather than a prison. The Templars treating the mages cruelly only drives some mages to action, if the Templars were "nicer" mages wouldn't want freedom as much. And remember, "nicer" and "less-vigilant" aren't the same thing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

More mages will always be born, that's no solution. That's like pro-mage people saying "Kill all Templars, they're mean", that solves even less.


I have an Aequitarian view I guess;

- I think the mages should remain in the Circle.

- Apostates should be brought to the Circle for education.

- Mages should be allowed contact with friends and family after being brought to the Circle.

- Blood Magic, necromancy, demon summoning/communication and other dark magics are banned. With the exception of "Grey Areas" such as communicating with wisps, or using phylactery magic like Finn and the Templars do.

- Templars will serve as guardians to the mages. And to the people. They should be seen by the mages as vigilant protectors, instead of wardens.
- Templars treat mages with respect and common decency until they prove they are dangerous (Blood magic, necromancy, etc)

- Senior Enchanters who have had perfect behaviour will be allowed to travel abroad, so long as they always return to their tower each year.

- Mages and every rank past that will be allowed to travel the city their Circle is located in, so long as they travel with Templar guards.

- Most importantly, the Chantry must re-educate the commonfolk about mages, and how they are not all evil and some are very good people. With less fear, there will be less conflict.

- Tranquility or execution remains an option to mages who do not wish to take their Harrowing or be a mage.

- More research is done on the Right of Tranquility to determine whether or not it is more humane than execution, judging from Pharamond it isn't as peaceful as I expected it would be, but perhaps it only seems bad in comparison to real life... Which they can't make if they're Tranquil.

Yes but with proper policy we can do that again and isntead send them to the circle and waste resources a quarter-successful system and watch them what is proven that can't stop destruction and damage they are causing anyway we can kill them on the spot.

 

What you described is pretty much same what current system (well not current now) would be in ideal world current system was your system after facing reality...

 

Not mention that you can't force someone to respect and trust someone especially if they don't deserve respect and trust and prove constantly that they can't be trusted.

[Schreckstoff]

The templars are unnecessary. If you educate the mages like any other citizen and don't take away their nationality, family and identity they'll remain loyal to the country and will even be the ones to seek and detain wanted blood mages. It also seems as if magic is completely left out of mundane tasks. 

 

If in addition to that you grant the magicians and their family something akin to nobility it won't be seen as punishment but a boon.

 

Open clinics were healers can provide care to everyone, allow mages to enlist into the army corpse, etc. 

 

I don't know who came up with the circle and templar system currently in place but he or she must have been retarded. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

The templars are unnecessary. If you educate the mages like any other citizen and don't take away their nationality, family and identity they'll remain loyal to the country and will even be the ones to seek and detain wanted blood mages. It also seems as if magic is completely left out of mundane tasks. 

 

If in addition to that you grant the magicians and their family something akin to nobility it won't be seen as punishment but a boon.

 

Open clinics were healers can provide care to everyone, allow mages to enlist into the army corpse, etc. 

 

I don't know who came up with the circle and templar system currently in place but he or she must have been retarded. 

 

Yeah like tevinter empire ups...

Templars are necessary or at least anti-mages are as from since first game it is proved in broken circle that mages can't be trusted and it goes to that point.

If you free mages it will end second tevinter empire (which pretty much equal bign sign "evil") or broken circle/kirkwall on world scale.Pretty much even now we can see what mages do with their freedom as always destroy everything someone built.

Without templars (anti-mages) non-mages won't have any protection from demons or mages so well as we saw most mages either fall to madness or power hunger very easily without guards it would be 10 time worse.

 

[DrBlingzle]

Kill them and solve problem for good no more psychopatic mages destroying everything around and causing trouble in da 4.

 

Out of interest TKS, I'd just like to ask a question: If you, yourself,  were a mage in Thedas would you happily let yourself get killed by templars?

[Schreckstoff]

Yeah like tevinter empire ups...

Templars are necessary or at least anti-mages are as from since first game it is proved in broken circle that mages can't be trusted and it goes to that point.

If you free mages it will end second tevinter empire (which pretty much equal bign sign "evil") or broken circle/kirkwall on world scale.Pretty much even now we can see what mages do with their freedom as always destroy everything someone built.

Without templars (anti-mages) non-mages won't have any protection from demons or mages so well as we saw most mages either fall to madness or power hunger very easily without guards it would be 10 time worse.

 

You don't need anti-mages if you have loyal mages. Mages are ostracized from society and hence group together if they weren't discriminated against but a participating member of society there would not be need to go against it, on the contrary there'd be need to preserve it. 

[TheLittleBird]

Let's face it. Mages are a threat to society.

That's why we have the Templars. But before the war, Templars have been known to abuse their power. And while the Chantry's Circle-system had some great ideas, there are ways it could be improved. So here's how I'd want to see the new system (I voted for "slightly less restrictions than before"):

 

As soon as someone's magical abilities have been discovered, he/she needs to be sent to the Circle. There, this mage will be taught in various schools of magic, but also in how to function in society as a mage. And most importantly, how to withstand demonic attempts at possession. After years of education - during which a mage is able to meet with and see his/her family -, a board or panel of judges, mostly comprising of the First Enchanter and the teachers, will decide whether or not this certain mage is ready. If not, education will continue. If they are, the mage will be sent out into society to do whatever he/she pleases. The main purpose of the Templar Order is to guide and monitor these mages, and hunt down those that escape, turn to violence or blood magic or refuse to go to the Circle. That is how it should be. The Circle will be a place to develop magical talents and learn to cope with the negative connotations. Templars are not the authority at the Circle. They mainly act as a monitoring and order-controlling body. 

[Kimarous]

1) Too often do people forget that templars aren't strictly mage hunters, but mage protectors. That's a dangerous misconception on both ends.

2) A major part of the reason why the mages rose up is because they're eternally locked away to what amounts to a single apartment building.

 

Rather than keeping everyone cooped up in a tower all the time, I'd recommend a "buddy" system with templars - each mage gets one particular templar partner to serve as their personal supervisor and can let them leave the tower under their watch. Said templars could also have phylacteries to help track that "yes, he is within X number of meters and we haven't got separated." Buddy Templar can help stand up for the mage if unjustly persecuted, and serve as the "Morality Pet/Chain" for the mage to keep them from going apostate or abomination. Only if things so south do the "regulars" come in to do the whole "hack into tiny giblets" thing.

[DrBlingzle]

1) Too often do people forget that templars aren't strictly mage hunters, but mage protectors. That's a dangerous misconception on both ends.

Yeah I agree with completely.

If all mages wondered around freely without and templars to accompany them, it wouldnt be long before a lot of them would be attacked by supersticous peasents. This would probably end with either the mage, the peasants or both dead.

Minor spoiler for asunder:

Spoiler

We saw this in asunder with Rhys and co in the tavern while traveling. If Evangeline hadnt been there it probably would have ended with bloodshed.

[dragonflight288]

I voted in the survey, but I will bow out of any discussions that take place. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Out of interest TKS, I'd just like to ask a question: If you, yourself,  were a mage in Thedas would you happily let yourself get killed by templars?

 

Of course not i or they would be dumb if i did or they did and well i never expected that from them .It is kill or be killed i treat mages as darkspawn in fact darkspawn is their own creation so well...

 

 

You don't need anti-mages if you have loyal mages. Mages are ostracized from society and hence group together if they weren't discriminated against but a participating member of society there would not be need to go against it, on the contrary there'd be need to preserve it. 

You do as i said broken circle shows that perfectly that you do as well kirkwall. It is like saying that we don't police all we need is weekly cuddle sessions.Mages are extremely vulnerable because of personal power they have and unstable because demonic possession. So nope it was shown in tevinter what it happens when mages end in charge...

 

 

Rather than keeping everyone cooped up in a tower all the time, I'd recommend a "buddy" system with templars - each mage gets one particular templar partner to serve as their personal supervisor and can let them leave the tower under their watch. Said templars could also have phylacteries to help track that "yes, he is within X number of meters and we haven't got separated." Buddy Templar can help stand up for the mage if unjustly persecuted, and serve as the "Morality Pet/Chain" for the mage to keep them from going apostate or abomination. Only if things so south do the "regulars" come in to do the whole "hack into tiny giblets" thing.

Yeah because buddy system worked well with Thrask or Evangeline...  it will make templars only more blined on things that "their" mage is doing by being emotional invested in them not mention it will give even more room for abuse...