This sounds like what I had in mind but I would reform the Templar order by getting rid of the zealots and extremists.
Misses the point spectacularly. They will be replaced by others in time. Sadists gravitate towards positions where they have power over others.
Because black people attract demons and are constantly in danger of losing their mind, gaining incredible powers, and slaughtering a couple hundred people before they're put down.
Oh wait...
This entire line of reasoning is a false comparison. You can't compare your dream-world where mages happily realize that they are dangerous and deserve to be imprisoned for the greater good with the alternative of totally free mages potentially slaughtering people.
The correct comparison is the possibility of absolutely free mages slaughtering people, weighed against the possibility of utter carnage where people who are powerful enough to slaughter hundreds of people (by your description), want to kill everyone and start a war because they've been imprisoned and abused because of what they might do. It's not so clear that this chaotic war is better for anyone than isolated instances of crazy mages slaughtering people.
Racial, sexual, and religious minorities are no more inherently dangerous than racial, sexual, and religious majorities.
Depends on your definition of danger.
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Misses the point spectacularly. They will be replaced by others in time. Sadists gravitate towards positions where they have power over others.
Very good point. All you need is a job opening that rewards sadism in one form or another. Right now, it so happens to be Templars.
Appeasament never works. It only shows the enemy your weakness and they'll take advantage of it in time.
Break the mages; impose stricter restrictions and put the fear of the outside world and you into them ensuring they won't revolt so long as you are alive. Then, it becomes someone else's problem.
Appeasament never works. It only shows the enemy your weakness and they'll take advantage of it in time.
Break the mages; impose stricter restrictions and put the fear of the outside world and you into them ensuring they won't revolt so long as you are alive. Then, it become someone else's problem.
Did you hear, JB? Your wish has come true! You can side with the templars to end the war! 
Appeasament never works. It only shows the enemy your weakness and they'll take advantage of it in time.
Break the mages; impose stricter restrictions and put the fear of the outside world and you into them ensuring they won't revolt so long as you are alive. Then, it become someone else's problem.
Well your apprach certainly fits your profile picture...
Appeasament never works. It only shows the enemy your weakness and they'll take advantage of it in time.
Break the mages; impose stricter restrictions and put the fear of the outside world and you into them ensuring they won't revolt so long as you are alive. Then, it become someone else's problem.
Yep and those under the heel will turn to forbidden magic plus slaughtering innocent people to gain a tactical advantage thereby validating the need for stricter Templar policies and removing more public sympathy.
It is ingenuous.
Well your apprach certainly fits your profile picture...
It invites spoiling though, almost **** myself
Well your apprach certainly fits your profile picture...
Did you hear, JB? Your wish has come true! You can side with the templars to end the war!
WHERE!?
Nah, he just likes to put dead people in his profile pictures like husks, white walkers and .. Oops, spoilers.
Shows what you know. White Walkers aren't dead.
Shows what you know. White Walkers aren't dead.
WHERE!
It was a tweet from Mike Laidlaw, I believe. Don't have it at hand though.
But it did get confirmed! 
slaughtering innocent people to gain a tactical advantage
It was a tweet from Mike Laidlaw, I believe. Don't have it at hand though.
But it did get confirmed!
Thank you for letting me know.
Was it in the Twitter thread? How many days ago?
Thank you for letting me know.
Was it in the Twitter thread? How many days ago?
It was in the twitter thread. But I'm not sure how many days.
Maybe like 5 or so? I'm sure the twitter thread can help you more than I do.
Slightly less restrictions, IMO. The 'Circles should be restored, but I think mages should be able to find lovers and have families within this setting, for one thing. Also, mages within the institution that prove exceptional should be have the option to live outside of it, and work with some legitimate organization.
And mage!Templars should be a thing.
1.LoL it is not about prevention is is about killing them before or after they turn into one it is part of their job to hunt as well mages and abomnations it happened before and templars dealth with such situation even in codex entry one is described... Gregoir needed support because there were many abominations and attack was suprise and by that they were unprepared.When templars hunt mage they prepare themselves and have advantage.
2.By watching them i mean circle most templars is focused on watching mages in the circles and rest on hunting them and yet most mages is captured and draged to the circle.Without circle there won't be need for watching part so anti-mages will be focused 100 % on hunt part what will increase efficiency add to that other measures that i plan use.
3.Nope as it is said abomnation is more powerful it because it delivers power both for mage and demon pretty much reason why mage power adds to abomnation power as well demon power does. Orphanage is single example in fact only one as far not caused by mages with many examples of veil being torn by mages.And it is 1 of 3 ways that demon go through the veil and is rarest way for demon still almost dominated by mages.Other 2 way are only possible for mage to cause first is demonic possession and second is being summoned by blood mage and those are most often reasons why demons is there.Kill mages and it will as i said reduce so critical minimum and even then if demon pass it will be much weaker as it won't have mage as host at worst it will be human mostly rock/tree.
4.Sometimes yes however as it shown it is rarely reason why they reach for blood magic mostly it is power hunger.As i said as far series goes we have only few Individuals that reached for blood mage because of templars and we have a lot blood mages.Simple not true uldred rebelion was because of his power hunger and desire for not being punished for his sinister researches.You mean that power hungry and insane mages in da 2?
5.It is pretty much shows that if i can blow that with magic i don't have reason to found way to do that in another way simple example.Major reason behind technology is to fulfil human desires and needs.Pretty much you if you didn't need to eat or you could just create food with thoughts there would be no reason for technological progress in that matter.As cultures that despise mages or don't have them are more technologically advanced than those who have mages.In fact those cultures are only shown any intrest in technology humans and elves suck in that matter as far we are shown only dwarves and qunari are shown doing something in that matter.
So what im pretty sure that part about protecting mages is there only to look pretty like ban on blood magic in tevinter.As far pretty much only Evangeline have such desire and that was rather because her naiviety.Pretty much that entire order went mage hunt shows that.To be honest i don't care about duty as long they are effective they aren't.True goal of templars was always to protect world from mages not mages from the world.
6.As i said templars have to ways to found mage if they didn't they wouldn't have majority locked up in circles (an as i said that is when most of templars sit in tower and watches mages now we have 100 % focused on hunt part). Sooner or later mage powers manifest when they are young and they can't control that so pretty much to find such person isn't big problem and that most of society hates mages only helps.If spread proper propaganda and tell that things like that mages are evil or maker hates mages it will only help with that.Also laws that will punish those who protect or help mage so it will bring fear for those.Another part is that also offer reward for those who will help capture mage and a lot peoples need money.So we have hate ,religion ,fear and greed on our side and those are most powerful factors that you can use to maintain control.
I love this number format we've got going, makes it so easy to read.
I highlighted my points in bold, it will save you lots of reading time if you don't want to read my novels 
1. It needs to be about prevention. You'll need several Templars to deal with one abomination, its not as easy as 1:1. If you force every mage to turn into an abomination to protect themselves, you'll get most of your Templars killed. Its not as easy as "surpise!" or even preparation, its a numbers battle. Think about what mages can do; firestorms, can you imagine your army being caught in that? You're totally underestimating how strong mages are.
2. I see, all Templars are dedicated to "hunting". I hope you realize if a mage lies low (Like the Hawkes in Lothering) they are never found, unless they transform into an abomination like Meredith's sister. You can't just say "Go hunt mages, all of you!" and expect them to return with one mage each. How are you going to "hunt" mages when families no longer give them up, and phylacteries no longer exist?
3. I don't think you're reducing abominations to a critical minimum when you encourage mages to hide from the Circle and be Apostates. And when you threaten them they'll undoubtedly turn into demons to protect themselves... Don't you see? You're creating issues by trying to deal with them. Abominations would be more common then ever, because you leave them no other option.
4. Uldred lusted for power, sure. But remember that Blood Mage woman who you could talk to in the tower? Most/all the mages following Uldred were in it not for power, they were just trying to free themselves from the Circle. Most/all I said, you see? They just wanted to be free, they didn't care for power after that. Same with Jowan; he used it to make him stronger so he could escape and be with Lilly. He didn't want to be all-powerful.
5. I think you misunderstand how powerful abominations are; they're not simple melee creatures like DAO, read the part with Pharamond in Asunder. He kills everyone in the Fortress and raises them as undead. Gameplay does not = Lore.
Mages need to be protected. Please look up "DA2 Olivia" on the wiki, see what happened to her. if mages are not protected from the commonfolk, they protect themselves. Either with normal magic or demons, either way you have more violence and death happening because Templars were not there to diffuse the situation like Evangeline did. That's simply a fact.
6. They don't just "find" mages. Families send their children to the Circle because they know the Circle will educate them. Some families don't do that and keep their children (The Hawkes, Meredith) but thanks to your plan, what family would give up their child for certain death? Would you do that? Most wouldn't, now you've encouraged people to harbor apostate children. Which means some of them will turn into demons, some won't. Either way, the problem is not gone; mages are still out there and you won't find them until it is too late.
"We have hate, fear, propaganda, greed on our side".... I'm sorry, I thought the point of this thread was to improve Thedas. You're basically becoming as corrupt as Tevinter now. You're lying to your people, threatening them if they want to protect their children, and rewarding people for essentially executing their children. And you're making the world a more hateful place. Think of the false witch hunts, and how many innocents will die because their village suspects some old crone is a mage.
Also, I hope you realize mages cannot be tracked unless Templars carry the mages phylactery, and since you're killing mages on sight there is no chance to make these anymore. So dedicating 100% of your Templars to hunting won't make a big difference.
I love this number format we've got going, makes it so easy to read.
I highlighted my points in bold, it will save you lots of reading time if you don't want to read my novels
1. It needs to be about prevention. You'll need several Templars to deal with one abomination, its not as easy as 1:1. If you force every mage to turn into an abomination to protect themselves, you'll get most of your Templars killed. Its not as easy as "surpise!" or even preparation, its a numbers battle. Think about what mages can do; firestorms, can you imagine your army being caught in that? You're totally underestimating how strong mages are.
2. I see, all Templars are dedicated to "hunting". I hope you realize if a mage lies low (Like the Hawkes in Lothering) they are never found, unless they transform into an abomination like Meredith's sister. You can't just say "Go hunt mages, all of you!" and expect them to return with one mage each. How are you going to "hunt" mages when families no longer give them up, and phylacteries no longer exist?
3. I don't think you're reducing abominations to a critical minimum when you encourage mages to hide from the Circle and be Apostates. And when you threaten them they'll undoubtedly turn into demons to protect themselves... Don't you see? You're creating issues by trying to deal with them. Abominations would be more common then ever, because you leave them no other option.
4. Uldred lusted for power, sure. But remember that Blood Mage woman who you could talk to in the tower? Most/all the mages following Uldred were in it not for power, they were just trying to free themselves from the Circle. Most/all I said, you see? They just wanted to be free, they didn't care for power after that. Same with Jowan; he used it to make him stronger so he could escape and be with Lilly. He didn't want to be all-powerful.
5. I think you misunderstand how powerful abominations are; they're not simple melee creatures like DAO, read the part with Pharamond in Asunder. He kills everyone in the Fortress and raises them as undead. Gameplay does not = Lore.
Mages need to be protected. Please look up "DA2 Olivia" on the wiki, see what happened to her. if mages are not protected from the commonfolk, they protect themselves. Either with normal magic or demons, either way you have more violence and death happening because Templars were not there to diffuse the situation like Evangeline did. That's simply a fact.
6. They don't just "find" mages. Families send their children to the Circle because they know the Circle will educate them. Some families don't do that and keep their children (The Hawkes, Meredith) but thanks to your plan, what family would give up their child for certain death? Would you do that? Most wouldn't, now you've encouraged people to harbor apostate children. Which means some of them will turn into demons, some won't. Either way, the problem is not gone; mages are still out there and you won't find them until it is too late.
"We have hate, fear, propaganda, greed on our side".... I'm sorry, I thought the point of this thread was to improve Thedas. You're basically becoming as corrupt as Tevinter now. You're lying to your people, threatening them if they want to protect their children, and rewarding people for essentially executing their children. And you're making the world a more hateful place. Think of the false witch hunts, and how many innocents will die because their village suspects some old crone is a mage.
Also, I hope you realize mages cannot be tracked unless Templars carry the mages phylactery, and since you're killing mages on sight there is no chance to make these anymore. So dedicating 100% of your Templars to hunting won't make a big difference.
Master plan... rip open the fade and give every one magic!!!! Now every one is a mage and they have to get along!
I love this number format we've got going, makes it so easy to read.
I highlighted my points in bold, it will save you lots of reading time if you don't want to read my novels
1. It needs to be about prevention. You'll need several Templars to deal with one abomination, its not as easy as 1:1. If you force every mage to turn into an abomination to protect themselves, you'll get most of your Templars killed. Its not as easy as "surpise!" or even preparation, its a numbers battle. Think about what mages can do; firestorms, can you imagine your army being caught in that? You're totally underestimating how strong mages are.
2. I see, all Templars are dedicated to "hunting". I hope you realize if a mage lies low (Like the Hawkes in Lothering) they are never found, unless they transform into an abomination like Meredith's sister. You can't just say "Go hunt mages, all of you!" and expect them to return with one mage each. How are you going to "hunt" mages when families no longer give them up, and phylacteries no longer exist?
3. I don't think you're reducing abominations to a critical minimum when you encourage mages to hide from the Circle and be Apostates. And when you threaten them they'll undoubtedly turn into demons to protect themselves... Don't you see? You're creating issues by trying to deal with them. Abominations would be more common then ever, because you leave them no other option.
4. Uldred lusted for power, sure. But remember that Blood Mage woman who you could talk to in the tower? Most/all the mages following Uldred were in it not for power, they were just trying to free themselves from the Circle. Most/all I said, you see? They just wanted to be free, they didn't care for power after that. Same with Jowan; he used it to make him stronger so he could escape and be with Lilly. He didn't want to be all-powerful.
5. I think you misunderstand how powerful abominations are; they're not simple melee creatures like DAO, read the part with Pharamond in Asunder. He kills everyone in the Fortress and raises them as undead. Gameplay does not = Lore.
Mages need to be protected. Please look up "DA2 Olivia" on the wiki, see what happened to her. if mages are not protected from the commonfolk, they protect themselves. Either with normal magic or demons, either way you have more violence and death happening because Templars were not there to diffuse the situation like Evangeline did. That's simply a fact.
6. They don't just "find" mages. Families send their children to the Circle because they know the Circle will educate them. Some families don't do that and keep their children (The Hawkes, Meredith) but thanks to your plan, what family would give up their child for certain death? Would you do that? Most wouldn't, now you've encouraged people to harbor apostate children. Which means some of them will turn into demons, some won't. Either way, the problem is not gone; mages are still out there and you won't find them until it is too late.
"We have hate, fear, propaganda, greed on our side".... I'm sorry, I thought the point of this thread was to improve Thedas. You're basically becoming as corrupt as Tevinter now. You're lying to your people, threatening them if they want to protect their children, and rewarding people for essentially executing their children. And you're making the world a more hateful place. Think of the false witch hunts, and how many innocents will die because their village suspects some old crone is a mage.
Also, I hope you realize mages cannot be tracked unless Templars carry the mages phylactery, and since you're killing mages on sight there is no chance to make these anymore. So dedicating 100% of your Templars to hunting won't make a big difference.
1.Im not? See kirkwall mages were curshed by templars who didn't even had to use their powers.Mages aren't even nearly as powerful as some peoples or even series try say that to us in fact to that point they have lost most battles or fights even with non-templar enemies.Pretty much in asunder mages were crushed with ease by templars same fate they have meet in dawn of the seeker and kirkwall (despite many of them turned into abomnations or were blood mages).
2.Templars have a least minor ability to sense mage or at least feel that something is wrong with that person for example like they did in lothering with our mage or morrigan.If templars were trained correctly they could use that during hunts (after all their job won't be sit on their ass in tower anymore only constant searching for mages) and as i said look at system i told you about.
3.As i said many times how they will be abomnations when they will be hunted down and killed hm?Besides not every mage turn into abomnation when hunted most isn't stupid enough to do that for example blood mages in dawn of the seekers , many mages in kirkwall still were mages when templars attacked them here (even shows how templars crush mages).Turning into abomnation is pretty much fate worse than death you are still alive but you don't have any control over your body for another example you can see that girl in prison that was talking with cole.
4.Most? How do you know? Because one woman told you how hard is to live in luxury tower for me she was fishing for mercy playing victim she was very eager to kill us on sight and started to beg when we defeated her not mention she was with abomnations and blood mages... LoL jowan was selfish dumb bastard he even says you he reached for blood magic because he wanted power like the mage warden had then he tricked his friend and leave him to face consequences for his actions.Not mention that he poisoned arl he might have good intentions but he is only living prove what i have said that morality and intentions because every mage is danger and he proves it...
5.They aren't that powerful well if you give them time sure they can be colosal even on world scale as they can create army of undead or something like that but mostly weaker abomnations are local scale danger.Of course they are dangerous but for trained groups templars 1-2 shouldn't be problem.Of course on the other hand pride abomnation well lets say that we don't want one but still templars can kill it and they did in the past.So i don't even speak about gameplay in actual lore they handle abomnations if they couldn't world would be destroyed long time ago just because during hunt mage turned into abomnation...
What mages need and what mages have are 2 different things as i said circle is to lock mages so they can control them to not keep them safe mages safety is last thing that templars think about... If mages are killed as i said mages won't need anything.
6.Forgotten part where most peoples hate mages and exile them from their family it is shame for person have mage in family look on amells most respected and powerful family was destroyed because 1 family member had mage children... And as i said i will use fear , hate and greed and pretty much hate peoples have toward mages i huge already and i will push it toward.It will be comically throw blame for current events on mages especially it is in fact mages fault mage-templar war and veil problems even if that wasn't mages fault and it is peoples would belive and even blame mages themselves.After that peoples will seek spacegoat they will hate mages with passion.I mean even now sending to the circle means losing your child forever and possible their death or turning into zombie that don't stop peoples from doing that.
7.Not rly i use human flaws to bring order , stability and safety into Thedas how it will be corruption did i allow peoples break law no? Tevinter mages break laws or don't care about laws in fact they are above the law and are malicious toward population abusing them.Of course it will cost mages life but price is low few thousands beings for at least few million beings ,order and safety.If person breaks law person is punished it isn't corruption , corruption is then when person breaks law and isn't punished.Elimination is best start for Thedas to reach better future without disasters like blights or crazy mages spreading chaos like they are doing now with veil.Without mages most magical threats will vanish from Thedas which will make Thedas like our world not counting fantasy creatures.
Master plan... rip open the fade and give every one magic!!!! Now every one is a mage and they have to get along!
Yeah sound like great plan if you are on demons side and make everyone host for them.
Innocent people, innocent people everywhere.
Thankfully most people understand the concept of innocents or more accurately noncombatants so I don't need your approval, but thanks for the input nonetheless.
"magicide" again? srly? somebody really believe that this bullshit is can be possible in DA universe))) Qunari can try to kill all of their mages but in Thedas it is impossible to achive even if Thedas would have those crazy people with a mount of gold, lyrium and mindless armys
Templars what Thedas does not have very much(just a few thousand with ~15 KC in whole Thedas), suck agains mages and they are very very expensive and need training for years to have their abilitys what is mostly useless against deamons and normal mages
they can only kill childrens without good magic education, and even childrens beat templars)))
witches, apostages, dalish, barbarian mages, dragon worchipers, trained circle mages and magisters are beat Templars without any problems, and many non-mages in Thedas will never support Templars and fight against them
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