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[Feybrad]

What to do with the Mages? It's easy. Kill them all. Hunt down every last Mage and slay him. Within a few Generations, we can live without that Menace.

 

*cough*

 

If you want to be extreme, at least. If not, then go back to the Circle System. If you want to be just a little bit extreme, turn to the Saarebas-Solution.

 

Personally, though, I would take Steps not towards restricting Mages, but to empower everyone else. The real problem with Mages is, that they are Individuals with more "natural" Power than our usual Human or Elf. That needs to change - we thus have to accelerate technological Advance, until most magical Things have an equal Equivalent in technology. Healing? Medicine is just as fine. Fireballs? Explosives. You get the Idea.

 

Until then, utilize Mages (Individuals with great Education, mostly) to reach that technology Level. Inside some Academy Thing, that is at leats closely watched. Maybe assign them personal Guards, there are certainly enough "Templars" or some People with proper Training.

[dragonflight288]

Templars do what is necessary to keep mages in line and hunt blood mages. There has to be circles to protect people from mages. Mages all have a bad side in them like orsino who hides a blood mage just to make them not look bad. The templars will deal with the mage scum.

 

Saying every mage has a bad side is exactly like saying every templar has a bad side, one that affects mages and mundanes negatively, like Meredith killing non-mages in broad daylight with a death squad, no trial, no seeing the magistrate, and denying the city the right to rule itself and naming herself defacto visctount.

 

It makes no sense. Every mage is different, just like every templar. Some are more extreme than others, and some are harmless. The difference between mages and templars are that mages are born as they are and templars join a military order. Some do so out of faith in the Maker, especially since the templar codex makes it very clear that the templars recruit people more fervant in the faith than they do those with strong moral character as a way to keep them from questioning their orders, but some may be like Alistair, orphans given to the Chantry and never really given a choice. 

[CapivaRasgor]

You'd actually be surprised how many people here are not trolls, and are dead serious.

Even the ones who drop the occasional off topic not related to the subject being discussed?

[SnakeCode]

Easy answer.

 

[KainD]

Even the ones who drop the occasional off topic not related to the subject being discussed?

 

That's different. But I've seen too many times, people get called out on being a troll, when their shared their true views. Even I was called a troll a bunch of times in the past. 

[CapivaRasgor]

That's different. But I've seen too many times, people get called out on being a troll, when their shared their true views. Even I was called a troll a bunch of times in the past. 

 

 

It's different but those were the ones I've called trolls, they don't add nor subtract anything to the discussion, just throw a witty one liner "for the lulz".

[Eveangaline]

Make solas head of his own free range circle

[Morroian]

This quote from the Solas interview is interesting: "[PW]: Yes. Most people in Thedas think of the Fade as demon-land… and Solas believes this is part of the problem. If you go into a realm that by its very naturereflects the thoughts and fears of living people, and if all you’re ever taught in the Chantry is that the Fade is this terrible place that wants to kill or possess you, then when you get there, of course it’s like that." 

 

IMHO it pretty much confirms that the approach of the mages circles is wrong and that the harrowing is the wrong approach.

[EmperorSahlertz]

This quote from the Solas interview is interesting: "[PW]: Yes. Most people in Thedas think of the Fade as demon-land… and Solas believes this is part of the problem. If you go into a realm that by its very naturereflects the thoughts and fears of living people, and if all you’re ever taught in the Chantry is that the Fade is this terrible place that wants to kill or possess you, then when you get there, of course it’s like that." 

 

IMHO it pretty much confirms that the approach of the mages circles is wrong and that the harrowing is the wrong approach.

Only if you take Solas' word as gospel. Which I for one am not inclined to do.

[Hellion Rex]

This quote from the Solas interview is interesting: "[PW]: Yes. Most people in Thedas think of the Fade as demon-land… and Solas believes this is part of the problem. If you go into a realm that by its very naturereflects the thoughts and fears of living people, and if all you’re ever taught in the Chantry is that the Fade is this terrible place that wants to kill or possess you, then when you get there, of course it’s like that." 

 

IMHO it pretty much confirms that the approach of the mages circles is wrong and that the harrowing is the wrong approach.

Meh, not really. You do remember that there are demons poring out of the sky to enslave the world? Just because Solas provides an alternative point of view doesn't make him correct. The Chantry might be a bit nuts every now and then, but they're not entirely stupid when it comes to the dangers of the Fade.

[Garrett Hawke]

Put them back in the circle and have the templars watch them.

[RobRam10]

Let them rule like in the Tevinter Imperium, it is the only true answer.

[Revelat0]

See, I never really thought the Chantry, a religion, should have any authority over mages to begin with. The mages should self-govern themselves, and to a greater extent govern themselves. Keep the circles places where mages can learn on their own at their own discretion. I think it is fair to say that the majority of mages are not evil, mages with the help of an organization similar to the templars, but more on par with the grey wardens (so without the religious rhetoric) can do a better job of apprehending criminal mages who conduct themselves in evil actions. I also think grey areas of magic such as blood magic can be used for good, and should be. Being born with magic a person should never be forced away from their family, mage tutors should be made available for lessons, and further more circles should become public schools for those with magic. At the circle students should be taught the value of magic, but also its dangers, further mages should train together to combat demons and hone that skill instead of living in fear of demons. Any one can kill a demon, and the mages may be more enticing targets for demons, and that could change. One day demons could fear to take on a mage's power, especially if they are trained specifically to destroy demons (and with the help of "Fade" Wardens.) 

 

There is not exceptions to freedom, and where there is a will there is a way. And those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable... As can be observed with the current trend of Templars vs Mages.

[Pierce Miller]

Have the mundanes locked in cages and let the mages rule as they were always meant to.

[stunkill37]

Let mages do whatever they want, their will always be a hero to keep the evil ones in check.

[Helios969]

If mages are analogous to WMD then what do you do?  Keep them under lock and key.

[KaiserShep]

Personally, though, I would take Steps not towards restricting Mages, but to empower everyone else. The real problem with Mages is, that they are Individuals with more "natural" Power than our usual Human or Elf. That needs to change - we thus have to accelerate technological Advance, until most magical Things have an equal Equivalent in technology. Healing? Medicine is just as fine. Fireballs? Explosives. You get the Idea.

 

This reminds me of the Equalists of Legend of Korra, using technology as a means to outdo the benders. In the grand scheme of things, this is really the only thing people can do effectively in the foreseeable future, since no matter how many Circles you build, how many Templars you employ or even how many mages you render tranquil, magic's going to exist and some people will make it a problem, either on the part of mages or the people who simply resent their existence. I think Merrill is right when she says that "magic can't be made safe, and it can't be destroyed."

[Tenebrae]

There really should be a "What to do with the Templars/Mundanes?" thread, on to the topic though.

 

From a Mundane point of view i see the circles as a necessity, an untrained/weak willed mage can be a disaster waiting to happen.

 

So what i would do is reinstated the circle with some adjustments:

 

1. Mages would be in charge of their circles unless they prove unable

 

2. A non templar policing force.

 

3. When a mage child is found he will be taken to the circle with no expectations.

 

4. a final test similar to the harrowing will take place.

 

5. Phylacteries will remain in use in order to allow the hunt of renegade mages.

 

6. If a mage passes the test and is thus deemed safe they are presented with a choice, they may leave the circle and do as they wish or they can stay and continue their studies.

 

7. If they fail they are offered tranquility (which would need to be improved upon the be effective again) or death the choice is theirs

 

 

Personally, though, I would take Steps not towards restricting Mages, but to empower everyone else. The real problem with Mages is, that they are Individuals with more "natural" Power than our usual Human or Elf. That needs to change - we thus have to accelerate technological Advance, until most magical Things have an equal Equivalent in technology. Healing? Medicine is just as fine. Fireballs? Explosives. You get the Idea.

 

Until then, utilize Mages (Individuals with great Education, mostly) to reach that technology Level. Inside some Academy Thing, that is at leats closely watched. Maybe assign them personal Guards, there are certainly enough "Templars" or some People with proper Training.

 

Either that or find a way to tear the fade in such a way as to grant all of Thedas the ability to use magic, however outlandish that seems.

[KaiserShep]

Or doing it in the reverse, getting rid of all magic entirely. Of course, it would be royally screwed up if it rendered everyone tranquil.

[Tenebrae]

Indeed, it seems that in Theadas removing magic means getting rid of dreams which would lead to a lovely case of zombie personality for everyone, truly a marvelous thing.

 

Although...it would solve every conflict on theadas so there is that.

[Char]

I would prefer to see the circles become more a place of learning than a place of imprisonment, like secure academies, supervised by templars. Mage children can be sent there to board until they have completed their studies and passed their harrowing. Once the harrowing is passed, the mages can choose to stay within the academy or be placed somewhere they can be of use- within the army, in healing, somewhere that they can make a positive contribution. To balance this greater freedom the Templars shouldn't be confined to the circle and the chantry, and should be spread evenly across Thedas, with each detachment having an area under their jurisdiction, and the Litany of Adralla should be freely taught to give the common people a defence against blood magic.

I love playing as a mage, but mages are dangerous. They do need to be supervised, and they do need to be subject to strict controls. That being said, confining them away from the population isn't necessarily the best way to go about it IMHO, as that only builds fear and resentment on both sides. If mages can be seen doing public good, and respected for their work within the bounds of control then I believe a lot of the social tension would be resolved. But that is only my opinion. I just believe that everyone deserves the right to make a positive contribution to the world

[Ap0state]

I would prefer to see the circles become more a place of learning than a place of imprisonment, like secure academies, supervised by templars. Mage children can be sent there to board until they have completed their studies and passed their harrowing. Once the harrowing is passed, the mages can choose to stay within the academy or be placed somewhere they can be of use- within the army, in healing, somewhere that they can make a positive contribution. To balance this greater freedom the Templars shouldn't be confined to the circle and the chantry, and should be spread evenly across Thedas, with each detachment having an area under their jurisdiction, and the Litany of Adralla should be freely taught to give the common people a defence against blood magic.

I love playing as a mage, but mages are dangerous. They do need to be supervised, and they do need to be subject to strict controls. That being said, confining them away from the population isn't necessarily the best way to go about it IMHO, as that only builds fear and resentment on both sides. If mages can be seen doing public good, and respected for their work within the bounds of control then I believe a lot of the social tension would be resolved. But that is only my opinion. I just believe that everyone deserves the right to make a positive contribution to the world

There's no reason why people need to be treated as instrumentalities to be of 'positive use' to anybody else. The bigger point you miss is that if you tell immensely powerful people that what they want doesn't matter because someone else's goals are more important, they will quite justifiably revolt violently. In the long run, 'all mages are free and a few commit slaughters' is a better outcome than 'you try and control them, and eventually they get so angry their only desire is to tear down everything and kill everybody (which is the status quo).

[dragonflight288]

 

There is not exceptions to freedom, and where there is a will there is a way. And those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable... As can be observed with the current trend of Templars vs Mages.

 

And then for some strange reason, are always surprised when the violence does occur. They then proceed to use it as justification for the way they treated the group that rebelled in the first place. 

[Schreckstoff]

And then for some strange reason, are always surprised when the violence does occur. They then proceed to use it as justification for the way they treated the group that rebelled in the first place.

They know it works on the small folk and nobles who where taught fear all their life by the chantry it just shows the malice in them.

The Revered Mother in Kirkwall was one of my favourite characters from DA2 as she was truly aloof the conflict and saw it as what it really was.