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[chibielf]

Just saw a quote from an article in a thread in Scuttlebutt... I can't confirm it's real but evidently Cameron Lee says that romance options will have set orientations...

Which means that it could be that some of us won't get to romance Solas. Or someone else we may be interested in. Personally I'm very unlikely to play a male Inquisitor, so if Solas ends up gay, well... no Solas for me.

Can't say I'm entirely happy about that, if it's true, because I'm pretty sure that means that the straight option would be Cullen, who is not a companion. Solas might be bi... that would be nice. But then that would probably mean Dramatic Hands is gay, which means I'd miss out on another interesting character... Or the reverse would be true, with Solas gay and Dramatic Hands bi and I'd miss out on Solas. Either way, I lose because I'm not nearly as interested in Cullen as I am Solas and Dramatic Hands. Nothing wrong with friendship, but... honestly this is why I prefer playersexual/bisexual LIs.

Guess that sounds selfish of me... I would be glad for the people who still got access to that content, don't get me wrong. But I'd always feel like I'm missing out, and yet I don't currently want to play a male character--I don't get enough opportunities to play well-written female characters as it is, and as someone who has a full-time job, well, there's not a lot of spare time these days for extra playthroughs.

I really hope he's bi at least. I'm one of those in the "make them all bi" boat.

[renfrees]

I don't like where this is going with sexual orientation

[Bootsykk]

Just saw a quote from an article in a thread in Scuttlebutt... I can't confirm it's real but evidently Cameron Lee says that romance options will have set orientations...

 

Which means that it could be that some of us won't get to romance Solas.  Or someone else we may be interested in.  Personally I'm very unlikely to play a male Inquisitor, so if Solas ends up gay, well... no Solas for me.

 

Can't say I'm entirely happy about that, if it's true, because I'm pretty sure that means that the straight option would be Cullen, who is not a companion.  Solas might be bi... that would be nice.  But then that would probably mean Dramatic Hands is gay, which means I'd miss out on another interesting character... Or the reverse would be true, with Solas gay and Dramatic Hands bi and I'd miss out on Solas.  Either way, I lose because I'm not nearly as interested in Cullen as I am Solas and Dramatic Hands.  Nothing wrong with friendship, but... honestly this is why I prefer playersexual/bisexual LIs.

 

Guess that sounds selfish of me... I would be glad for the people who still got access to that content, don't get me wrong.  But I'd always feel like I'm missing out, and yet I don't currently want to play a male character--I don't get enough opportunities to play well-written female characters as it is, and as someone who has a full-time job, well, there's not a lot of spare time these days for extra playthroughs.

While I sort of agree with the sentiment, I also guess I don't? Like, I'd like to be able to romance whoever I please if they're available to another gender, but I know that real life doesn't always pan out like that. It feels a little more personal if you have to at least somewhat tailor your PC to a companions interest if you want to romance them (which technically, you already do, though DA2 found a way around this with the rivalmance system... oh well)

 

That said, I'll be crushed still if I can't get jiggy with Solas (if he's a romance option) on my femquisitor. I like his character design a lot. But I say, I can always make a male PC and seduce Solas that way 

[Roxy]

Isabella betrayed me regardless, but, I do hope that you can convince your party not to betray you, lest any should be tempted.  Solas in particular we need on our side--he's our Fade expert.  He may have some insight on how the Inquisitor gained that fancy green Synthesis power, or how it works.

 

And she brought the book back if you were on her friend side right? I know she takes the book and scrams which believe me ticked me off at first but you can get her to bring it back if you are friends with her....and she is by your side no matter what after that.

 

 

And on the article....   I feel a bit nauseous right now........GOD I hope my female inquisitor will be able to romance him if he is an LI that is.
 

[renfrees]

While I sort of agree with the sentiment, I also guess I don't? Like, I'd like to be able to romance whoever I please if they're available to another gender, but I know that real life doesn't always pan out like that. It feels a little more personal if you have to at least somewhat tailor your PC to a companions interest if you want to romance them (which technically, you already do, though DA2 found a way around this with the rivalmance system... oh well)

 

That said, I'll be crushed still if I can't get jiggy with Solas (if he's a romance option) on my femquisitor. I like his character design a lot. But I say, I can always make a male PC and seduce Solas that way 

While I'm perfectly fine with people's choices, I, myself, can't feel the s/s romance through, so that would settle me on a friendship with Solas/Dorian even as a male Inquisitor, if they are locked to one gender. And I've read quite a few posts from the guys with opposite sexuality, that they are unable to get the vibe of f/m relationship even if they tried.

So, yeah...

[mordy_was_here]

I am taking nothing as Word of God until our Dev-Gods confirm it. Shhhhh I'm in denial lalalalala

[Brass_Buckles]

While I sort of agree with the sentiment, I also guess I don't? Like, I'd like to be able to romance whoever I please if they're available to another gender, but I know that real life doesn't always pan out like that. It feels a little more personal if you have to at least somewhat tailor your PC to a companions interest if you want to romance them (which technically, you already do, though DA2 found a way around this with the rivalmance system... oh well)

 

That said, I'll be crushed still if I can't get jiggy with Solas (if he's a romance option) on my femquisitor. I like his character design a lot. But I say, I can always make a male PC and seduce Solas that way 

 

Yeah, but we play games for entertainment.  Romance isn't a huge deal really, in terms of the game overall.  First time I played Dragon Age: Origins, I had no clue that I could romance anyone, as I recall.

 

It makes sense that certain people won't be attracted to you in real life.  That's reality.  When it's a game, and a small part of a game at that, you have to stop and think... why are they limiting this content?  Sexuality may be part of a person's identity but ultimately it is not who they are.  Everyone in Thedas could be bisexual and they'd still be the same people they were before.

 

In any case, I'm pretty sure Cullen will be straight, and I have no interest in him.  That means Dramatic Hands and Solas are most likely the only other options that will present themselves to me, and one of those two will be totally off limits.  That is not good news to me.  Hardcore Cullen fans should be fine, and gay/bi players should be fine, too, if they have an interest in DHMG or Solas.  But for those of us of the straight female persuasion who don't care for Cullen... well, sucks to be us.

[Bootsykk]

I am taking nothing as Word of God until our Dev-Gods confirm it. Shhhhh I'm in denial lalalalala

well, I wouldn't take anything too seriously yet. None of these people have even been confirmed as love interests, save Cassandra and Cullen, both of whom are either Bi or het exclusive, given their past inclinations. 

 

In any case, I'm pretty sure Cullen will be straight, and I have no interest in him.  That means Dramatic Hands and Solas are most likely the only other options that will present themselves to me, and one of those two will be totally off limits.  That is not good news to me.  Hardcore Cullen fans should be fine, and gay/bi players should be fine, too, if they have an interest in DHMG or Solas.  But for those of us of the straight female persuasion who don't care for Cullen... well, sucks to be us.

I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself here, especially given that as a character, nobody really knows what he's like, since we haven't had the opportunity to have him in a party and get to know the character past his ideals, which put him at a moderate political inclination towards the mage/templar conflict. For all we know, there are three total love interests, 2 being bi and one being straight. But would it really be so terrible to have just one favorable male love interest? Besides, the same could be said for Cassandra and people who don't like her. It sucks for the straight guys out there that don't care for Cassandra, because they only have one possible option left.

 

I say just don't worry about it and see what happens. I think everything will turn out just fine

[Kirie]

I'm so conflicted about this. On one hand I'm also a Cullen fan so I feel lucky about that, but there's many people that want him available for both genders so I feel really bad for them... because at this point I'm hoping Solas is the one that can be romanced by both genders. There's going to be many people upset and let down either way and I just hate that

I've tried playing a male character in Bioware games but I just have zero interest.. which is my own fault I guess.

[ClassicBox]

OhmygodIfinallycaughtupbutdayum. Those eyes though.

All of the characters looks so fantastic I think I will implode before October.



I don't like playing male characters (I can never feel attached and therefore involved, not sure why) but if Solas is gay I think I shall be making an exception.
(Romance all the characters!)

Spoiler

And that sounds creepy. Look what Bioware does to me..I swear I'm normal.

[Bootsykk]

I'm so conflicted about this. On one hand I'm also a Cullen fan so I feel lucky about that, but there's many people that want him available for both genders so I feel really bad for them... because at this point I'm hoping Solas is the one that can be romanced by both genders. There's going to be many people upset and let down either way and I just hate that

I've tried playing a male character in Bioware games but I just have zero interest.. which is my own fault I guess.

There's no Word From God on this yet, I wouldn't jump on the horse so quickly. For all we know Cullen is Bi.

 

Also I guess I'm a rare exception that I can get attached to my male PC in games  I tend to roleplay as a certain archetype and build the character from in-game experiences so I feel attached anyway. It's not as exciting as playing a female character and experiencing it in full self-insertion glory the first time around (not afraid to admit it  ), but it's still fun. 

[Brass_Buckles]

well, I wouldn't take anything too seriously yet. None of these people have even been confirmed as love interests, save Cassandra and Cullen, both of whom are either Bi or het exclusive, given their past inclinations. 

 

I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself here, especially given that as a character, nobody really knows what he's like, since we haven't had the opportunity to have him in a party and get to know the character past his ideals, which put him at a moderate political inclination towards the mage/templar conflict. For all we know, there are three total love interests, 2 being bi and one being straight. But would it really be so terrible to have just one favorable male love interest? Besides, the same could be said for Cassandra and people who don't like her. It sucks for the straight guys out there that don't care for Cassandra, because they only have one possible option left.

 

I say just don't worry about it and see what happens. I think everything will turn out just fine

 

If the only option I have ends up being Cullen?  Yes, it would be that bad.  I do not want an LI who doesn't see mages as people, when mages are my preferred type of character.  I would rather they had based romances on, say, class, than on gender.  I am not that entranced by Dramatic Hands, though a lot of women are... you're saying that it's okay to disappoint these fans by saying, "Nope, sorry, he's gay?"  Solas hasn't got half the fans DHMG has.  If he ends up the gay option, is that fair to the gay men who would prefer DHMG?  Of course, they could still have DHMG since he will most likely be bi at the very least (with the presumption that Cullen is most likely straight).  The Warden even has quite a few lady fans and I doubt he or Iron Bull are even on the table.

 

I think both Solas and DHMG are interesting in part because they are mages.  Solas as an expert on the Fade is fascinating to me.  I might end up hating his personality later on, but for now he's intriguing and I already know I want to try his romance arc.  I don't know why that's hard to understand... and DHMG seems pretty fascinating, too.  I'd like to know him better.  Maybe I'd like to romance him as well, down the line.  But for one of them, I'm going to have to make a male character, and I don't feel comfortable playing males.  I don't play as myself, but that doesn't mean I identify easily with men, even though logically I know that men and women really aren't that different psychologically (no matter what the media tries to tell us).

 

So yes, it will be bad, the fallout of this will be terrible (I will not be one of the ones ranting loudly, I'm merely expressing disappointment but I'll still play the game and enjoy it--some others, however, play almost entirely for the romances...), and not everyone is cool with playing the opposite gender.  I'm disappointed.

[Nefla]

Holy smokes O_O I just...I...I think my ovaries just exploded.

[Banxey]

I prefer the characters to be as real as possible, so while I sympathise with people who prefer playersexuality, I'm not against getting turned down by a gay boy (and I've been there in real life, so it's not new ground for me).

[Bootsykk]

If the only option I have ends up being Cullen?  Yes, it would be that bad.  I do not want an LI who doesn't see mages as people, when mages are my preferred type of character.  I would rather they had based romances on, say, class, than on gender.  I am not that entranced by Dramatic Hands, though a lot of women are... you're saying that it's okay to disappoint these fans by saying, "Nope, sorry, he's gay?"  Solas hasn't got half the fans DHMG has.  If he ends up the gay option, is that fair to the gay men who would prefer DHMG?  Of course, they could still have DHMG since he will most likely be bi at the very least (with the presumption that Cullen is most likely straight).  The Warden even has quite a few lady fans and I doubt he or Iron Bull are even on the table.

 

I think both Solas and DHMG are interesting in part because they are mages.  Solas as an expert on the Fade is fascinating to me.  I might end up hating his personality later on, but for now he's intriguing and I already know I want to try his romance arc.  I don't know why that's hard to understand... and DHMG seems pretty fascinating, too.  I'd like to know him better.  Maybe I'd like to romance him as well, down the line.  But for one of them, I'm going to have to make a male character, and I don't feel comfortable playing males.  I don't play as myself, but that doesn't mean I identify easily with men, even though logically I know that men and women really aren't that different psychologically (no matter what the media tries to tell us).

 

So yes, it will be bad, the fallout of this will be terrible (I will not be one of the ones ranting loudly, I'm merely expressing disappointment but I'll still play the game and enjoy it--some others, however, play almost entirely for the romances...), and not everyone is cool with playing the opposite gender.  I'm disappointed.

 

I would argue that it is fair, because that's simply character writing. They're written for the purpose that they are their own beings within a fantasy world, not to satisfy the desires of the player character. Example being Anders, how everyone was so shocked at how he went full terrorist at the end of the second game and were upset because they felt their character had been betrayed. To put it simply, Anders DID betray the PC. That's not unfair. That's just how his character was written. To avoid taking that risk to satisfy the players is in poor taste. 

 

Also on Cullen, I think you might've gotten a sour impression of him after the first game. He's actually (as I mentioned earlier) a moderate who was fighting for more power to the circle to allow the mages more freedom to live as a group of people while learning to control their magical talents to avoid harming others. He's aware of the inherent danger that comes with being a mage in the Dragon Age universe, but he's also still very much aware that the mages aren't just things, or a force to be called out for an army, but rather people. He's not my favorite character by far, but he's definitely interesting, and far from being a mage hater on the same level as someone like Fenris (who even still managed to get over his bias for Hawke)

 

EDIT: On another note, would the same analogy make it fair to say that people are being denied enjoyment of the game because, say, Iron Bull or Bearded Warden aren't romance options?

[Kirie]

There's no Word From God on this yet, I wouldn't jump on the horse so quickly. For all we know Cullen is Bi.

Also I guess I'm a rare exception that I can get attached to my male PC in games I tend to roleplay as a certain archetype and build the character from in-game experiences so I feel attached anyway. It's not as exciting as playing a female character and experiencing it in full self-insertion glory the first time around (not afraid to admit it ), but it's still fun.

Definitely understandable, and I can see it from both sides since it seems 50/50 split between both for/against. Just voicing a little personal disappointment, because while I'm invested in the romances they aren't my main priority. . Not to mention I'm probably much better off than other people in the same situation (since I adore Cullen too and all) so I probably shouldn't complain.

I just prefer the "playersexual" approach and sad to see it go (IF that info is correct of course). But you can't always get what you want I suppose

[Brass_Buckles]

I would argue that it is fair, because that's simply character writing. They're written for the purpose that they are their own beings within a fantasy world, not to satisfy the desires of the player character. Example being Anders, how everyone was so shocked at how he went full terrorist at the end of the second game and were upset because they felt their character had been betrayed. To put it simply, Anders DID betray the PC. That's not unfair. That's just how his character was written. To avoid taking that risk to satisfy the players is in poor taste. 

 

Also on Cullen, I think you might've gotten a sour impression of him after the first game. He's actually (as I mentioned earlier) a moderate who was fighting for more power to the circle to allow the mages more freedom to live as a group of people while learning to control their magical talents to avoid harming others. He's aware of the inherent danger that comes with being a mage in the Dragon Age universe, but he's also still very much aware that the mages aren't just things, or a force to be called out for an army, but rather people. He's not my favorite character by far, but he's definitely interesting, and far from being a mage hater on the same level as someone like Fenris (who even still managed to get over his bias for Hawke)

 

EDIT: On another note, would the same analogy make it fair to say that people are being denied enjoyment of the game because, say, Iron Bull or Bearded Warden aren't romance options?

 

Cullen hardly had any characterization at all in DA:O.  In DA2 he outright said mages weren't people.  DO NOT WANT.

 

As for realism... it is a fantasy game.  As I pointed out, romance is a very small part of the game.  Everyone who is going to be romantically available should either be available to all the people, or should be, for instance, blocked off for less arbitrary reasons than gender/race.  Cullen, for instance, probably shouldn't be into mages after saying he doesn't see mages as people.

 

And no, it is not fair to introduce characters, without telling us whether they are available or not, get people's hopes up, and then tell us that that character won't be available.

 

Whatever the case, my Inquisitor will pretty much only have one romance option (the game will not be moddable if rumors are true) unless Cullen turns out shockingly more interesting than he has been in the past two games.  I just hope they go ahead and tell us who's going to be available to whom soon, rather than leave it dangling until release.  Because if they wait that long, you can bet the fallout from it will be terrible.

 

All I can do is hope that Solas is interesting and bisexual (elves generally are, so... hopefully...) and then maybe, maybe I will be able to find enough time for a male playthrough who could pursue Dramatic Hands if he is, as I suspect, the gay option.

[chibielf]

I meta game as female. I'm not a Cullen fan and he's an npc, so that's one companion option. I'm really hoping Solas is the bi one because of this. I'm interested in DHMG too, but if only one of them is available for female character, Im hoping it is Solas.
I'm afraid to get excited now. It might be till October till we know.

[Bootsykk]

*snip*

 

And no, it is not fair to introduce characters, without telling us whether they are available or not, get people's hopes up, and then tell us that that character won't be available.

 

Whatever the case, my Inquisitor will pretty much only have one romance option (the game will not be moddable if rumors are true) unless Cullen turns out shockingly more interesting than he has been in the past two games.  I just hope they go ahead and tell us who's going to be available to whom soon, rather than leave it dangling until release.  Because if they wait that long, you can bet the fallout from it will be terrible.

 

All I can do is hope that Solas is interesting and bisexual (elves generally are, so... hopefully...) and then maybe, maybe I will be able to find enough time for a male playthrough who could pursue Dramatic Hands if he is, as I suspect, the gay option.

 

While I disagree with what you said about Cullen that's merely subjective opinion. However, I think it's a little unfair to expect Bioware to dump the information in our laps to avoid disappointing us. They're teasing the release, yeah, and just because they have romance in their game doesn't give us rights as players to assume information before it's even released, which is exactly what's going on here. I love speculating, but getting hurt when things don't end up the way you wish is at the fault of nobody but yourself. 

 

The only information we're truly certain of at the moment is that Cullen and Cassandra are available love interests, and that they will be available for a Female and Male PC respectively. Whether they are unavailable for same-sex PCs is completely up in the air, but the only people who can possibly have even the slightest reason to be disappointed right now are those rooting for same sex romance with them, given the article mentioned (and even then, they would be upset based solely on their assumptions of information that has neither been confirmed nor denied). Which by the way does anyone have a source for? I'd love to read it.

 

EDIT: found it! Actually sounds quite interesting, I'm curious to see them expand on what they mean by that because it sounded a lot like it encompassed more than sexuality. 

 

for those curious: http://forum.bioware...al-orientation/

[renfrees]

Whether they are unavailable for same-sex PCs is completely up in the air, but the only people who can possibly have even the slightest reason to be disappointed right now are those rooting for same sex romance with them, given the article mentioned (and even then, they would be upset based solely on their assumptions of information that has neither been confirmed nor denied). Which by the way does anyone have a source for? I'd love to read it.

http://www.ausgamers...ntation-bioware

[Brass_Buckles]

I meta game as female. I'm not a Cullen fan and he's an npc, so that's one companion option. I'm really hoping Solas is the bi one because of this. I'm interested in DHMG too, but if only one of them is available for female character, Im hoping it is Solas.
I'm afraid to get excited now. It might be till October till we know.

 

Yeah, they should either go ahead and tell us who the LIs are, so that there's no major fallout, or we should just all assume we won't be able to romance our favorites.  Solas hasn't got as many fans in general as Cullen or DHMG, but elves are usually a bisexual option so there's hope for him yet.  And yet, because of the number of fans DHMG has, if he's male-only there will be massive fallout about that.

 

And yes, I will be upset for the Warden and Iron Bull fans if they don't get their wish too... even though I doubt either of them is as likely as DHMG or Solas to be a romance option.  Pretty sure the men will be DHMG, Solas (most likely bi because elf, but could be gay), Cullen (probably straight, could be bi, there will be lots of disappointed men if he is straight).

 

On the one hand I get that the devs might feel like characters are being cheapened or objectified.  It makes sense.  I enjoyed Aveline's storyline, even.  On the other, again, you chose to write them as romances... if they're available, then there's no good reason to hold them back from everyone, other than to give one group or another feels about being special (and yes that goes for us straight people too, there's no reason we should get exclusively straight romances when there are non-straight people who also like those characters).  Which is okay and all, but it also can cut certain other people out of perfectly good, or even completely awesome, content.  And that's not good.

[Bootsykk]

Yeah, they should either go ahead and tell us who the LIs are, so that there's no major fallout, or we should just all assume we won't be able to romance our favorites.  Solas hasn't got as many fans in general as Cullen or DHMG, but elves are usually a bisexual option so there's hope for him yet.  And yet, because of the number of fans DHMG has, if he's male-only there will be massive fallout about that.

 

And yes, I will be upset for the Warden and Iron Bull fans if they don't get their wish too... even though I doubt either of them is as likely as DHMG or Solas to be a romance option.  Pretty sure the men will be DHMG, Solas (most likely bi because elf, but could be gay), Cullen (probably straight, could be bi, there will be lots of disappointed men if he is straight).

 

On the one hand I get that the devs might feel like characters are being cheapened or objectified.  It makes sense.  I enjoyed Aveline's storyline, even.  On the other, again, you chose to write them as romances... if they're available, then there's no good reason to hold them back from everyone, other than to give one group or another feels about being special (and yes that goes for us straight people too, there's no reason we should get exclusively straight romances when there are non-straight people who also like those characters).  Which is okay and all, but it also can cut certain other people out of perfectly good, or even completely awesome, content.  And that's not good.

 

I get what you're saying, because do like being able to romance who I prefer first time around, but this is not cutting other people out of any content. You can choose to play as a male or female inquisitor, or a dwarf, qunari, or elf. It is not cut content when you're roleplaying and go down one route, thus effectively cutting off the quests and story that would have emerged had you picked the other route for that playthrough. 

 

Yeah, you might feel like you don't like playing a male or female PC, but having that character not be attracted to the PC is not cut content. It is optional content, content that you can access by making different decisions when playing the game. Some of these major decisions just happen to occur in character creation.

[chibielf]

I know this is silly, but I was super excited today with all the new info. That pic of Solas and those lips. DHMG looking dapper and amazing. Now I'm on the edge of my seat and all worried that Solas won't be available for my female inquisitor. Or DHMG. But mainly Solas. Its silly, I know, but it totally killed my buzz. Until we know, I'm afraid to get more attached to anyone. I liked the all bi options.

[Bootsykk]

I know this is silly, but I was super excited today with all the new info. That pic of Solas and those lips. DHMG looking dapper and amazing. Now I'm on the edge of my seat and all worried that Solas won't be available for my female inquisitor. Or DHMG. But mainly Solas. Its silly, I know, but it totally killed my buzz. Until we know, I'm afraid to get more attached to anyone. I liked the all bi options.

 

Heck, I'm still attached to him. He looks like an awesome character, and I'm dying to see his banter with Vivienne. In general I think that platonic relationships run just as deep as something more in Bioware games. The most memorable characters for me in both previous games weren't available as romance options at all. Not to mention that the writers specifically mentioned making friendships just as meaningful as romance.

 

EDIT: Also, given that he's the next character to be prominently featured in both trailers and the screenshots, you can bet your boots that he's going to be the next character spotlight. I can almost guarantee it 

 

[Banxey]

As for realism... it is a fantasy game.  As I pointed out, romance is a very small part of the game.  Everyone who is going to be romantically available should either be available to all the people, or should be, for instance, blocked off for less arbitrary reasons than gender/race.  Cullen, for instance, probably shouldn't be into mages after saying he doesn't see mages as people.

 

I agree with that. I just like some form of restriction. But it seems gender restriction is the only route Bioware is willing to take, so I do prefer that to nothing at all. I don't really want to feel like I can line up all the followers and pick one that suits me because I'm some fantastical badass.

 

To be quite honest, I've been hoping Iron Bull is gay. Because he seems the least likely.