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So what would that mean if he is indeed the death card? I know nothing about tarot cards. A threat that needs to be nipped in the bud perhaps?  ;)  :whistle:

 
I know zilch about tarot, so I Googled and found the American Tarot Association.
 
Looked up Death and Magician. Also The Hanged Man, because that jumped out at me due to DA2 and would be curious if that's Varric's card.  :whistle:
 
Death
The image of Death charging across a field on his spectral steed would strike fear into the heart of almost any man. The appearance of the Death card has a similar effect on most people, though it really should not. Whether you like it or not, Death is one of the most powerful cards in the Tarot. Humans naturally fear the unknown, and so Death is our greatest fear since it is the greatest unknown. The majority of us are unaware that our mind and spirit die all the time, constantly shedding old beliefs and acquiring new ones. It has been said many times by many readers: the Death card is not a card of death - it is a card of transformation.
 
In the Tarot, as in reality, Death is nothing more than a transition to the next level of life. Whether you believe that a soul goes to heaven or back to Earth to be reincarnated, the fact remains that the soul lives on. The candle is extinguished, but only because the day has come. The river shown on many versions of the Death card is a symbol, showing that life will go on, no matter what disastrous things happen. The river water will reach the sea, rise into the clouds, then rain onto the land to flow into the river again. Nothing is destroyed, because nothing can be destroyed - there can be only transformation.
 
The only real reason the transformation shown by Death is so catastrophic is because it is being held back, fought against by those too afraid to realize that change is beneficial. Every change happens for a reason, and Death is a force like Justice in that it is absolutely fair. It does not discriminate against one group and spare another - everyone is equal in the eyes of Death. So if big changes are happening in your life it is certainly plausible that you are the reason for them. There's no point fighting death, it only makes things worse. Like the Hanged Man, accept that change happens and let it do what it must.
 
Take a look at the Rider-Waite version of the Death card, and note the bishop on the right side of the image. He is actually welcoming Death, because he knows of the great spiritual transformation it brings. Almost all versions of the Death card show a symbol of resurrection or re-birth. This could be the rising sun, an egg, or a sapling sprouting from the body of a dead man. All these symbols show that to progress in life, our old form must die, just as a snake sheds its old skin to reveal a shiny new one. This is the message of the card: Death must be conquered by the regeneration of the soul, and he who knows this shall live forever.
 
When the Death card appears, big changes are heading your way. Usually this change refers to something in your lifestyle; an old attitude or perspective is no longer useful and you have to let go of it. While the Hanged Man was a card of voluntary sacrifice, the Death card is a forced sacrifice - but that does not mean that it is not for your own good. Sometimes you cannot see how your attitudes are hurting you, and when that is true, the Death card is your wake-up call. Death is not simply destruction; it is destruction followed by renewal. Even though one door may have closed, another is opening. Will you have the courage to step through?
 
If so, before you go forward, take a moment to look back. Is there anything that you are carrying with you that is no longer necessary? Let it go now, before you proceed. Are your old attitudes holding you back, or are high expectations constantly disappointing you? Cast them off, or let Death's watery energy wash them away from you. Open yourself and let it strip away all that you no longer need - fear, revenge, intolerance. Flowers cannot bloom if the land is full of weeds which choke the ground, and likewise, your spiritual enlightenment will be held back by doubt and fear. Let them go now or risk having them painfully ripped away when Death inevitably returns.
 
 
Magician
The Magician's number is One, the number of creation and individuality; his power is transformation through the use of his will. In his manipulation of the basic elements into all the substances and materials of life, he shows us that from a foundation of the mundane can emerge all that is to come. He can take the Nothing from which the Fool emerged and shape it into Something, making one out of zero. Clearly this is power of a divine sort, and it is true that the Magician is a conduit for a higher power, which commands all of the material world. Since all that we can see in the physical world is the conduit himself, the acts he performs often seem like magic.
 
The Magician may seem like a strange title for someone who holds real power, because the word "magician" tends to conjure up pictures of illusionists and escape artists, whose power involves sleight of hand and misdirection. The Magician, however, is similar to the stage illusionist in many ways. He is confident in his skills and his ability to produce the effects that he wants. His real power comes from sources outside of him, and he is powerless without these sources, just as an illusionist depends on people "behind the scenes". Both magician and Magician, however, are as important to their powers are the powers are to them. Without a conduit, power itself is impotent and useless.
 
With his powers the Magician holds influence over all - theory and practice, logic and emotion, thought and action. Almost every modern depiction of the Magician includes one or more symbols of infinity to denote his limitless power; the snake eating its tail and the lemniscate (horizontal figure-eight) being chief among these. This limitless power comes from sources outside his body yet under his control. And as long as the Magician remembers that this power is his to command, even if he loses all of his worldly power and skill he can never truly be called powerless. For his Will is a power that, while it can be subdued, it can never be destroyed.
 
Another nearly universal association with the Magician is the red-and-white color scheme. This theme recurs throughout the Tarot and it is very symbolic that it starts with this card and not the Fool. For while the Fool was the potential for positive and negative, the Magician is the union of positive and negative. He creates and he preserves; he destroys and he redeems. His true power is that he not only knows what he must do, but he knows how he must do it, and why he must do it. Then he does it. The Magician reminds us that a wish alone will change nothing, but a decision can change everything. A desire to create is nothing without an ability to create, and vice-versa.
 
When the Magician appears he shows that you are ready to become a conduit for power, like he is. The forces of creation and destruction have always been at your command but now you have the wisdom and confidence needed to use them constructively. Now is the time to act, if you know what is it you want to accomplish and why. Since the powers of transformation are at your command, change your desires into objectives, your thoughts into actions, your goals into achievements. If you have recently met with failure, now you can change that failure into success as easily as the Magician changes fire into water. The only limits you have are those you impose on yourself.
 
The outward manifestations of such power are as numerous as they are varied, but the most common outer effect of the Magician's influence is unswaying and total confidence. The realization that the world is under your control is what inspires this kind of confidence, and with good reason. So go out into the world, set your mind to whatever goal you are interested in, and then just stand back and watch as everything falls into place under your command. Ultimately, the message of the Magician is a simple one despite his limitless and infinitely complex power. Your life is under your control. Your life is what you want it to be. Your life is what you make it.

 
The Hanged Man
The Hanged Man is the only Tarot card visibly based on a mythological figure. He is Odin, the Norse god who hung from the World Tree for nine days to earn the knowledge of the Runes. Of all the cultures who embody the search for knowledge in their myths, only Odin carries out his quest without moving, at least in the physical sense. The true quest is seeking within, not without. This may be confusing at first, but only because the Hanged Man is the card of the paradox. The Hanged Man's mysteries are some of the oddest yet most enlightening the Tarot has to offer, and they cannot be learned by searching for lessons in the physical world - you must turn within.
 
Even the appearance of the card is paradoxical. Simple in design, it is one of the more complex Arcana. The lessons it offers are easy to understand but hard to accept when they apply to you. The most obvious answer to a problem may be the simplest, but it is rarely the best. To admit that you are afraid will give you the strength to conquer your fear. When you relinquish your desire for control, everything begins to work as it should. In a world in which you must run as fast as you can to stay where you are, the Hanged Man tells you to stop struggling - and you can move forward. Tell this to others and it seems obvious; try to do it yourself and it will become impossible.
 
Why is this? Telling others that they have to hang from a tree is simple, but no one wants to hang himself. The Hanged Man, however, has hung himself, and see how much wisdom he has found! Despite his obviously uncomfortable position, he is often pictured as smiling, and with a golden halo around his head to show divine inspiration and power. He is totally vulnerable to the world, and in his vulnerability he has found strength. The sacrifice he has made is his own freedom and power in the physical world; in exchange, he is granted real freedom and power on the spiritual plane. He gives up his old ways of looking at things and is blessed with new eyes.
 
Not all sacrifices have to be like this, of course. Each moment of your life you make sacrifices. By choosing to eat with a friend rather than eating alone, you sacrifice your solitude. Choosing to play a sport professionally means that you cannot play another as frequently. Choosing one job means that you have to sacrifice any desires for another job, at least for the time being. The only thing in common between all sacrifices is that you give up something you have in exchange for something you want, of equal value. The sacrifice is meaningless unless there is balance and purpose behind it. To give without intent is worse than giving too much or too little.
 
As the card of the paradox, the Hanged Man also urges you to look at things in a new and different way. If your mind is yelling at you to do something, then doing nothing could be the best thing to do. If something is important to you emotionally but it no longer serves a purpose, you might want to think about letting go of it. And don't try to force anything to happen while the Hanged Man is about. By trying to force changes, you ensure that they never happen. Relax and let things happen instead of trying to interfere. Instead of fighting against the current, let it take you wherever it is flowing.
 
When the Hanged Man appears, know that greater wisdom and happiness is at hand, but only if you are prepared to sacrifice something for that wisdom. Sometimes it is something physical you must be deprived of, but in most cases it is a perspective or a viewpoint that must be left behind. For example, a fantasy that you can never fulfill, or a crush on someone who's out of your reach. Inevitably, sacrificing something you value will always lead you to something even more valuable. In the wake of an unattainable dream you will find something else within your reach. Forgetting about one love will allow your heart to open to someone else.
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HELLO. WHAT IS HIPPEN-IN AND HAPPENING, MY BALD ELF LOVING FRIENDS.

 

Yeahhhh, looks like he'll be the "Death" representation. Which, I rather like. It feels fitting, and I hope alludes to some interesting material!


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HELLO. WHAT IS HIPPEN-IN AND HAPPENING, MY BALD ELF LOVING FRIENDS.

 

Yeahhhh, looks like he'll be the "Death" representation. Which, I rather like. It feels fitting, and I hope alludes to some interesting material!

 

Greetings! Stay a while, join our nonsense!

 

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Edit:  And you should totally do the Cass cosplay!  I'm working on one now and my budget is really small so I could offer all sorts of money saving tips ^_^  I never have much money for costumes but super cheap materials can look really expensive too

 

I'm no cosplayer, but I absolutely love seeing what people come up with! And by chance I saw the picture of you in that Onslaught armor and my brain exploded, because I instantly remembered seeing it and loving it when watching last year's BlizzCon stream (I can't tell you how much I've always loved that armor set), so when I saw the picture I was all ohmygod, that's her?! So, I was a little excited about it to say the least. What I'm really saying here is --

 

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WILD SPECULATION TIME  also hey new person

 

- the playable demo at E3. I'm assuming it will showcase party-based gameplay with a class-diverse party (warrior, rogue, mage). I'm guessing the warrior will be Cass, the rogue Varric.. I can see the mage spot being either Viv or Solas. They've both featured in partybased screenshots and footage as "the mage". hoping for solas obviously cause it would be ace to hear his voice, even if it's just a couple battlecries

 

- literalish tarot symbolism: looks like he's Death. scythe etc. Solas's specialization - necromancer?? he does have that jawbone thing.. p not but hey 

 

- more symbolic tarot stuff: like folk have said Death is actually usually taken to mean sudden, inevitable and dramatic change, and significant transitions. this + solas's position as "fade expert" makes me think he could be quite relevant and important in the plot.. remember morrigan: "Change is coming to the world. Many fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their being. But sometimes change is what they need most" and flemeth "we stand upon the precipice of change" MMMMHMMM i wonder if solas is caught up in all of that


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Ok, I'm excited to speculate wildly and since tarot cards are intentionally vague I'm going to bend it to fit my purpose mwuahaha :D

 

There are a lot of fun theories that the Death card could support :)  I'm also blending in the fact that necromancy was touched on in DA2 (and was performed semi-successfully) and it's very likely an entire specialization in DA:I.

 

There's always the Felassan-as-Solas idea:

Spoiler

 

The change, death, rebirth idea could also refer to an elf waking from the uthenera.  Perhaps he gained his Fade knowledge from "living" in the Fade for centuries.  He wouldn't necessarily have to wake from the uthenera naturally or on his own, some sort of necromancy could be involved there too and might tie in to how we unlock the necro specialization (kind of how I think we could learn the Champion spec when we meet Ser Michel, omg I hope we meet Ser Michel :wub: :wub: :wub: ).

 

Edit: Oh, and yeah, the obvious Falon'din-as-Solas and Solas being a follower of Falon'din ideas.  Obviously :P


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Ok, I'm excited to speculate wildly and since tarot cards are intentionally vague I'm going to bend it to fit my purpose mwuahaha :D

 

There are a lot of fun theories that the Death card could support :)  I'm also blending in the fact that necromancy was touched on in DA2 (and was performed semi-successfully) and it's very likely an entire specialization in DA:I.

 

There's always the Felassan-as-Solas idea:

Spoiler

 

The change, death, rebirth idea could also refer to an elf waking from the uthenera.  Perhaps he gained his Fade knowledge from "living" in the Fade for centuries.  He wouldn't necessarily have to wake from the uthenera naturally or on his own, some sort of necromancy could be involved there too and might tie in to how we unlock the necro specialization (kind of how I think we could learn the Champion spec when we meet Ser Michel, omg I hope we meet Ser Michel :wub: :wub: :wub: ).

 

Edit: Oh, and yeah, the obvious Falon'din-as-Solas and Solas being a follower of Falon'din ideas.  Obviously :P

 

:lol: Poor Ser Michel wont know what hit him.

 

I'm starting to buy into some of these crazy theories, and the part of my mind not fogged with a hangover is like "No, don't do it!" But still, all we had to go on previously connecting Solas to death was the Fade expert thing (which really isn't much of a connection) and the sheep(?) jaw and now look what Tarot card he ended up as.

 

Edit: Well I suppose it could just mean he's the necromancer, which is both badass and a little gross.


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:lol: Poor Ser Michel wont know what hit him.

 

I'm starting to buy into some of these crazy theories, and the part of my mind not fogged with a hangover is like "No, don't do it!" But still, all we had to go on previously connecting Solas to death was the Fade expert thing (which really isn't much of a connection) and the sheep(?) jaw and now look what Tarot card he ended up as.

 

Edit: Well I suppose it could just mean he's the necromancer, which is both badass and a little gross.

 

My Inquisitor will meet Ser Michel, learn Champion, marry him and we'll live happily ever after hunting demons and stuff.  THEY.  They'll live happily ever after :whistle:

 

Hey, don't listen to the clear-headed Banx!  Sure, he could just be an elven apostate, OR he could be an ancient elven death god resurrected from uthenera through necromancy after learning the Fade's secrets while living in the magical world beyond the eluvians.  Ya know? ^_^

 

If he's a necromancer it opens up a whole new world of creepy and awkward flirtation!  "I may be the only Necromancer here, but you're so hot even the dead rise when they see you." *wink wink nudge nudge*  After rereading that line, I sure am thankful I'm already married or I'd probably have to invest in a couple of cats.

 

I'm no cosplayer, but I absolutely love seeing what people come up with! And by chance I saw the picture of you in that Onslaught armor and my brain exploded, because I instantly remembered seeing it and loving it when watching last year's BlizzCon stream (I can't tell you how much I've always loved that armor set), so when I saw the picture I was all ohmygod, that's her?! So, I was a little excited about it to say the least. What I'm really saying here is --

 

*snip double sexy*

 

Thanks!   I'm super flattered that you remember my costume when there were so many beautiful ones on stage <3  Onslaught is one of the coolest warrior sets from any game ever, but I still couldn't believe the reaction I got from some people at the con!  So cool :D


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My Inquisitor will meet Ser Michel, learn Champion, marry him and we'll live happily ever after hunting demons and stuff.  THEY.  They'll live happily ever after :whistle:

 

Hey, don't listen to the clear-headed Banx!  Sure, he could just be an elven apostate, OR he could be an ancient elven death god resurrected from uthenera through necromancy after learning the Fade's secrets while living in the magical world beyond the eluvians.  Ya know? ^_^

 

If he's a necromancer it opens up a whole new world of creepy and awkward flirtation!  "I may be the only Necromancer here, but you're so hot even the dead rise when they see you." *wink wink nudge nudge*  After rereading that line, I sure am thankful I'm already married or I'd probably have to invest in a couple of cats.

 

I don't know what to believe anymore other than that pick up line was pure gold. Great, now I'm going to spend all day trying to think of bad necromancer pick up lines.

 

Damn you, red wine. 


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Solas: Well I have some good news the Inquisitor's only mostly dead. Mostly dead I can work with, full dead's a bit trickier.

Varric: What do you do then?

Solas: Check his pockets for loose change.
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I was hoping someone else would post some bad necromancer Solas pick up lines first. Oh well. I guess it's up to me to put the romance in necromancer. Get it? Yes, they get worse.

 

"Didn't we meet at your funeral?"

 

"You look like death, let me put a little life in you."

 

"Did I just pull a spirit of Mercy from the Fade? Because mercy you're beautiful!"

 

I'm not sorry.


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"You're drop dead gorgeous, trust me I would know."

 

Well played, well played.  :lol:



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"I know how to show a ghoul a good time."

 

I am both disgusted and proud.


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"Why don't we go shuffle off this mortal coil?"

"Is that rigor mortis or are you just happy to see me?"
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Funny lines you are all coming up with...creepy but funny! :P



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"Is that rigor mortis or are you just happy to see me?"

 

Is it bad that I was just sitting here waiting for a rigor mortis line? All of these... so bad, but so good.


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It'll take more than a few bags of wyrmsage to keep me from rising for you ayyyye

 

(Neverwinter Nights 2, anyone?)


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now imagine a necromancer inquisitor/solas-if-he's-a-necromancer pairing

kind of a terrifying thought.. nobody could stand in their way 

 

After the game launches and we know the companions' stories I'm going to heartily enjoy looking back on the Eras of Bald Elfy McSmuggins and Solas Speculation. It'll be like:

 

List of Things We Thought Solas Might Be (And Oh How Wrong We Were)

- A necromancer

- A Dreamer

- An ancient elf

- Dorian Pavus

- Felassan in disguise

- Felassan reborn

- An associate of Felassan's

- Falon'Din

- A follower of Falon'Din

- "Judas"

 

I bet the devs get such a kick out of reading peoples' crazy wild theories (and probably some laughs too)

 

blaze on solas thread

bright like his shiny head.


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Reading through the romance thread and laughing at how different everyone pegs Solas's age to be.

 

I actually think he looks pretty young. Or at least younger than I was expecting before that full-on screenshot, anyways. In his 30s, I would imagine (at least appearance-wise). They seem to have put him between the age he looked in the war room concept art and the age he looked in the concept art with the dwarf Inquisitor.

 

Maybe the baldness and dark circles under his eyes trip people up.


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yes. I picture Solas on the "young side" too. late 20's or early 30's. too. But I must admit, Warden aside, almost all the companions aren't very old (and he is not terribly old. Duncan age, maybe. And in my mind he is at least his twin brother. they are way too similar.)


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Hm, yeah I don't picture Solas as really old either, maybe late 20's early thirties at best. Cassandra doesn't look old at all but wasn't she supposed to be in her late 30's, maybe 40 or something? (not sure if I'm remembering that right) I do wonder about the age difference then if he's a romance because I imagine my elf inquisitor as quite a young lady :P Which makes me wonder what the default age is for our inquisitor hm... But especially from what we've seen lately I think he's actually gotten a bit younger instead of older :D 



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"Is that rigor mortis or are you just happy to see me?"

 

Whelp, that was pretty much the one and only good one I came up with, and you beat me to it by... oh, roughly 8 hours.

 

Damn you, sleep and timezones. Damn yoooooooouuuuuu.....

 

EDIT: This also seems like a relevant laugh. I regret nothing!

 

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@DragonRacer that picture is priceless. :lol:

 

Hm, yeah I don't picture Solas as really old either, maybe late 20's early thirties at best. Cassandra doesn't look old at all but wasn't she supposed to be in her late 30's, maybe 40 or something? (not sure if I'm remembering that right) I do wonder about the age difference then if he's a romance because I imagine my elf inquisitor as quite a young lady :P Which makes me wonder what the default age is for our inquisitor hm... But especially from what we've seen lately I think he's actually gotten a bit younger instead of older :D

 

I thought the majority of them seemed to be in their 30s, the exceptions being Sera and Cole. Cass is somewhere between 34 and 38. And Laidlaw said the Inq will be older than 20 and younger than 40. Source in case you're interested. 

 

I'm glad they're older this time. My guess on Solas' age (if he's not 500+ :P ) would be about 33. 


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@DragonRacer that picture is priceless. :lol:

 

 

I thought the majority of them seemed to be in their 30s, the exceptions being Sera and Cole. Cass is somewhere between 34 and 38. And Laidlaw said the Inq will be older than 20 and younger than 40. Source in case you're interested. 

 

I'm glad they're older this time. My guess on Solas' age (if he's not 500+ :P ) would be about 33. 

 

Ah that's great, thanks! :D And yeah indeed, this only applies if it turns out he's not a few centuries old, and frankly I really wouldn't mind that either. As long as he doesn't look like this: 

 

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Then I'm fine with it!


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