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I don't think I'd mind Bull being just a fling. It was kind or annoying how every other "just a fling" character ended up falling madly and deeply in love with your Warden or Hawke. Sure, it can happen, but the idea that a character really is just in it for the fun and nothing long-term would be an interesting change. You want love and romance, go ahead and pursue one of the others. You want a bit of bunk warming for the night? Sure, I'm game, and so on.

 

I really like when characters are well-rounded individuals and not just there to be the backdrop and reward for the protagonist. Though Bull seems hilarious enough that it won't matter in what capacity he is on the team or in your bed. <_<

This! I'd also really like the option to be able to flirt/sleep with/whatever with one companion without it potentially jeopardising your romance with another, if you're not in an 'established' relationship with your LI yet.  Much as I love Fenris's romance in DA2, it drove me mad that if you flirted with Isabela or Anders at a certain stage in his romance, it could potentially break it off, even though you're not actually an 'item' with him until Act 3.  I mean, how did he know Hawke was FLIRTING with someone when he wasn't even there, did he feel it in the Force?  :blink:



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This! I'd also really like the option to be able to flirt/sleep with/whatever with one companion without it potentially jeopardising your romance with another, if you're not in an 'established' relationship with your LI yet.  Much as I love Fenris's romance in DA2, it drove me mad that if you flirted with Isabela or Anders at a certain stage in his romance, it could potentially break it off, even though you're not actually an 'item' with him until Act 3.  I mean, how did he know Hawke was FLIRTING with someone when he wasn't even there, did he feel it in the Force?  :blink:

 

Maybe those lyrium tattoos had more interesting powers than we knew! That said, I would *love* to have a fling option. DA:O had me struggling to get the romances, and I didn't end up getting any of them until the very very end which is frustrating. In 2, I kind of slept with everyone, eventually figuring out how to get who i really wanted to romance at the end. The fling option would cut down on some of the irritation i had with characters, though having an LI who wasn't okay with a fling you might have with another chara would be an interesting wrinkle. But I don't plan my romances until I've played through a time or two so I can figure everyone out. Sad they're apparently taking out the ninjamance thing.. I had some really interesting results with that, haha! 



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Is there seriously nothing new about Solas so we have to resort to takling about other characters?! ( joke, don't kill me :whistle:


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Is there seriously nothing new about Solas so we have to resort to takling about other characters?! ( joke, don't kill me :whistle:

 

Sad but true...



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Is there seriously nothing new about Solas so we have to resort to takling about other characters?! ( joke, don't kill me :whistle:

We're getting desperate... :(



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Is there seriously nothing new about Solas so we have to resort to takling about other characters?! ( joke, don't kill me :whistle:

 

Well, I suppose I could pose the question of what would Solas think of the thread currently running right now that wonders what sex in the Fade is like.

 

But that road honestly frightens me.


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This! I'd also really like the option to be able to flirt/sleep with/whatever with one companion without it potentially jeopardising your romance with another, if you're not in an 'established' relationship with your LI yet.  Much as I love Fenris's romance in DA2, it drove me mad that if you flirted with Isabela or Anders at a certain stage in his romance, it could potentially break it off, even though you're not actually an 'item' with him until Act 3.  I mean, how did he know Hawke was FLIRTING with someone when he wasn't even there, did he feel it in the Force?  :blink:


Solas: I sense a disturbance in the Fade.

Inquisitor: Really?

Solas: No.

Iron Bull: You mean to tell me that there isn't some field that holds everything together?

Solas: I think you've been listening to Odd George's ramblings for too long.

Inquisitor: Odd George, the tavern keeper over in Crestwood? Didn't you get into a bar brawl with him after he said that magic came from tiny spirits that live in the blood of mages?

Solas: I remember no such thing.

Inquisitor: Solas, you froze his head to a table.
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Inquisitor: Solas, you froze his head to a table.

 

:lol:


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Is there seriously nothing new about Solas so we have to resort to takling about other characters?! ( joke, don't kill me :whistle:

 

I know it's ridiculous... :(

 

Well, I suppose I could pose the question of what would Solas think of the thread currently running right now that wonders what sex in the Fade is like.

 

But that road honestly frightens me.

I just went into that thread,some things they have typed in there.....gross

 

Solas: I sense a disturbance in the Fade.

Inquisitor: Really?

Solas: No.

Iron Bull: You mean to tell me that there isn't some field that holds everything together?

Solas: I think you've been listening to Odd George's ramblings for too long.

Inquisitor: Odd George, the tavern keeper over in Crestwood? Didn't you get into a bar brawl with him after he said that magic came from tiny spirits that live in the blood of mages?

Solas: I remember no such thing.

Inquisitor: Solas, you froze his head to a table.

 

Haha...nice!  :D  

 

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...I would love a drunk Solas... :whistle:

and is bad that I can actually see Solas freeze someone when drunk?


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Bad? No I actually visualized Solas doing something like that in my mind and it was Awesome.  :lol:

 

I could actually see him doing something like that...drunk or not.


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It was vaguely implied some time back that Solas's attitude might be similar to Han Solo's. (...Han Solas?) What do you all suppose about that? I'm having a hard time imagining it, or at least how they would pull it off in the world setting.



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...I would love a drunk Solas... :whistle:
and is bad that I can actually see Solas freeze someone when drunk?


I can only picture this:


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For the record I wasn't trying to be extreme, I was just pointing out a pertinent fact.   It is the Developers themselves who have created a world whereas elves are a downtrodden, second class race and a small group of them have chosen to be nomads who generally do have an antagonistic attitude towards humans.     Feynriel's mother was rejected by her clan for getting pregnant by a human.   Zevran's mother took up with a woodcutter (presumably a city elf since he was born an elf) and again this meant she effectively cut herself off from her clan, so when the woodcutter died she had to become a prostitute to live.   The "norm" for a Dalish elf brought up in their culture would be to be conditioned against considering a human could be a romance, even a fling.   You can choose not to play a Dalish that way but in terms of their culture, you would be an outcast.  

 

You might have got away with it with Morrigan because she was the daughter of Flemeth and the Dalish appear to revere her but Cassandra or Vivienne, who represent the Chantry and the human system that robbed them of their second homeland, I very much doubt it.    As for the male possibilities, well again Blackwall might be okay because the Dalish respect the Wardens but a Tevinter magister or a former Templar, no way.   

 

So penalising a role playing choice based on their own lore is not the same as saying you cannot play an Orlesian.    That said, if it happened and I wanted to role play that way, I'd just do without a romance and settle for good friends.   For me it would be little different from romancing Sebastian since that was platonic and I didn't get so much as a kiss from him, even a chaste one. 


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Since we are being forced to play as a Dalish elf, I actually think that gives a much better chance of him being race gated for elves or elves/humans and bisexual.   The reason for this is that if you role play the Dalish as not willing to consider a romance with anyone other than an elf (which is consistant with how they are portrayed in the DA world), then you are stuck with either having to play a lesbian/bisexual female or have no romance at all.    Would they really be that cruel or judgemental?

 

I played my city elf girl with that sort of prejudice in DAO.   I thought it reasonable enough that since a human had tried to rape her, and the way humans treated elves generally, that she would never consider bedding a human.     I couldn't actually bring myself to be mean to Alistair when he tried courting me.   It seemed like kicking a puppy but I did try and play it as cool as possible until Zevran arrived on the scene, when the penny finally dropped with Alistair that it just wasn't going to happen with him.

 

I have a theory that bisexual characters will be race-gated to keep down on the number of individual cinematics that have to be produced, bearing in mind that would have to cater for male and female options.      So if Solas was going to be a romance but available to all races, then he wouldn't be bisexual but heterosexual.  However, that would leave gay male xenophobic Dalish elf with no love interest.

 

Still, I could be wrong, may be the Devs are going to pass judgement on people who play xenophobes by excluding Solas as a LI.   You want to play a prejudiced elf, you die alone.    

 

Not everyone who wants to play a Dalish who wouldn't romance a non-elf wants to do so because of xenophobia.  My planned Dalish in fact would love to be friendly with everyone else, but elves are dying out--city elves and Dalish alike--and so if she romances anyone it will be an elf male, or perhaps she might be bisexual and romance a woman instead so that she won't bring elf-blooded humans into the world.  Elf-blooded humans have it about as bad as the city elves themselves do, not really welcome with the Dalish, out of place with the City Elves, and frowned upon by the other humans.  Sure, as a mage she could also likely prevent pregnancy, but I think she'd have a sense of duty to at least give a try to bringing more elves into the world, should the opportunity arise.  And if the opportunity doesn't arise, well, she'll be just as happy celibate since romance and kids are far less important than keeping the world from falling apart.  She'll also be a pro-City Elf character, despite being Dalish.

 

Point being, others may be thinking the way I'm thinking, and it has nothing to do with their character being afraid of, or hating, the other races, and is simply about that character wanting to preserve their own culture.  I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to preserve your culture or your people if you know that having kids with anyone not of your race will result in children who aren't your race but will be treated just as badly as if they were.  Honestly, elves seem more like a species than a race to me, and so do qunari and dwarves.  It would even make sense to me if an elf had no other reason for only being into elves than that they only found other elves attractive.  That doesn't mean that they necessarily hate/dislike/fear humans/dwarves/qunari, just that they prefer members of their own race/species as sexual partners.

 

As to the poster who pointed out the Dalish being arrogant... In general, the ones we have seen are.  But I don't think it's TRUE arrogance as much as it is defensiveness. They are dying out while clinging to a culture that is dying, and not a slow death either.  Of course they don't want the humans/dwarves/qunari invading and ruining what few scraps of culture they have left.  And of course, after struggling so hard to keep their shreds of culture alive, they aren't going to be all that welcoming to the city elves who they see as having given up on being "true elves."  Does that excuse it?  ... Well, no, but at least it makes them a bit more understandable.  They try to think of themselves as being superior even though they aren't, because that's basically all they have left.  I have a personal theory that the Dalish are descendants of elven nobility, while the elven commoners/servants ended up becoming City Elves, because they weren't the warriors and mages.  They were just the riffraff, unable to defend themselves.  If my theory is correct, it would mean that the Dalish disparagement of "flat-ears," and their reluctance to have city elves allowed into their midst, may go back much, much farther than simply the fall of the Dales.

 

So far i'm still optimistic, like I said.  And at this point, the prospect of Solas not being an LI isn't that problematic to me.  But that's only because I don't know enough about him yet to be really attached to the idea. But, I will be disappointed if neither Dorian or Solas are available.  As that leaves only Iron Bull and Varrick as potentials other than Cullen (I'm actually really excited about his inclusion, but understand he's not everyone's cup of tea), and I have no real interest in either.  

 

Seems an odd choice for Bioware to make - they've created some pretty good, attractive options for straight females in the past - so if the choice in this game is Cullen (mind you, i like him, but can see the other side, where he's this generically attractive, boring guy you may well dislike from previous games) and guys like Varrick and IB, who might only have a niche group of romantically-inclined female fans.

 

Not everyone who doesn't like Cullen dislikes him because he is bland.  Personally I think he is kind of interesting, and he's attractive.  My issue stems from the fact that he literally says that mages aren't people.  I don't know if I will have a character who would be interested enough in him, or simply willing enough, to press further, since I'm already planning at least two mages (I may also play a rogue).  If I were to play a warrior or rogue things might be different, but I am personally a bit put off by his attitude and that also makes a difference even if my characters would be okay with it.  Again, I'm not a big fan of self-loathing in characters, whether mine or the dev team's.


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I entirely agree that the reason a Dalish elf (or a city elf) might confine themselves to an elf only romance might not be from xenophobia but purely from a desire to preserve their race and culture.   It still doesn't take away from the fact that such an attitude has been created out of the lore that we have been given in game.   It is consistent with it and not something that we might personally have thought up in opposition to it.   However, in such a scenario having Solas as an option would not actually be any better for a male elf since there is no possibility of children and of course there would not be a problem of unwanted babies in a gay relationship, elf or otherwise.   This is why I specifically concentrated on having a cultural aversion to a relationship with a non-elf, which does appear to exist among the majority of Dalish.

 

Surface dwarfs have already cut themselves off from their culture and thus are comfortable with having relationships with other races.   We know very little of the lore of Vashoth with regard to such matters so are at liberty to develop our own ideas of their attitude.   So even not having a dwarf or qunari available does not impact on the character's lore in the way that not having an elf does.   

 

However, like you say, the important thing is saving the world and the Dalish elf might feel that anything or anybody that took their attention away from that was undesirable



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I entirely agree that the reason a Dalish elf (or a city elf) might confine themselves to an elf only romance might not be from xenophobia but purely from a desire to preserve their race and culture.   It still doesn't take away from the fact that such an attitude has been created out of the lore that we have been given in game.   It is consistent with it and not something that we might personally have thought up in opposition to it.   However, in such a scenario having Solas as an option would not actually be any better for a male elf since there is no possibility of children and of course there would not be a problem of unwanted babies in a gay relationship, elf or otherwise.   This is why I specifically concentrated on having a cultural aversion to a relationship with a non-elf, which does appear to exist among the majority of Dalish.

 

Surface dwarfs have already cut themselves off from their culture and thus are comfortable with having relationships with other races.   We know very little of the lore of Vashoth with regard to such matters so are at liberty to develop our own ideas of their attitude.   So even not having a dwarf or qunari available does not impact on the character's lore in the way that not having an elf does.   

 

However, like you say, the important thing is saving the world and the Dalish elf might feel that anything or anybody that took their attention away from that was undesirable

 

Dalish actually seem to have a thing against having relationships or kids with anyone who's not Dalish, not just "not elven."  The few exceptions to the rule of not allowing in outsiders have tended to be city elf mages--any other city elves are mostly not welcome and it would not surprise me if the Dalish killed most of those who came looking--the dead don't reveal secrets or locations.

 

With Sera as a lesbian, it really makes me think that Solas is less likely to be a romance at all.  If Iron Bull is an option, then there are already two nonhumans.  That may be all we get.  I don't expect Varric, loveable though he may be, to be an option.  I'd probably make a dwarf to pursue him if he were, and I don't usually make characters solely for a certain romance.  But my number one preference would be Solas, and I think we're gonna be friend-zoned, even assuming that he's got the kind of personality that you would want to spend time with at all.  My planned Dalish may not like him even if he IS a romantic option for her.

 

What with their partial reveal of Solas early on, I really wish they'd offer us up some more information about him.  Part of it may be that he's not actually as popular as most of the others.  Part of it, though, might be he ties into the plot in some important way and if they reveal anything it will be too big of a spoiler to reveal too early on.  I'm not sure.



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Hmm, what you say regarding the Dalish is true but I thought they might be willing to stretch a point if the non-Dalish was an elf.    To be honest, I'm curious to know why we're being restricted to being a Dalish elf rather than a city elf.    I'm thinking there has to be some plot element to it, particularly with the events of the Masked Empire.

 

Which makes Solas even more of an enigma.   He doesn't look Dalish, he doesn't seem like a former Circle mage, which would make him a long term apostate but where did he originate and how has he been surviving up to now?    I think that is why he will be one of the last to be revealed and then possibly only a partial one, to retain his sense of mystery.



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I can only hope we can roleplay a Dalish who don't like her heritage, and find her culture is...stale. Even better a CE who found refuge with the Dalish (so is technically Dalish but CE inside).

I roleplayed my CE in Origins as human hating at first, but the fact that Duncan, a human, was not only a friend of her Elder, but knew her mother, and helped her in her time of need, make an interesting roleplay her growing up and finding humans aren't all so bad, after all.

And so the meeting with Alistair and Morrigan. both treated her like an equal, something she didn't find in her "cousins", the Dalish.

 

It was really a bad experience for my CE. I still can't like the Dalish after that first run at DAO.

And I agree with the iphotesys Dalish are descendant of the noble class of the Elves, and that's in part reason of where their arrogance came from. And...that's make me like them even less.

 

Another thing I roleplay with my CE was that she didn't hate all the humans, after knowing Alistair, Morrigan, Winnie (Leliana NO. not after her dialogues about the elven servants. No matter her apology after. It was very rude of her.) but she hated with a passion nobles of any race. Dwarf, Humans, and in the end, Dalish.

and that's why Alistari didn't became king in my run. Nobles had taken away a lot from her. she was going to keep for herself their king. Alistair wasn't going to became like the nobles who selled, raped, killed her people and children. and she was right in doing so, with what happen in my second run, when I decided to make him king... :(



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I would really love to play my Dalish inquisitor as an elf who despises the way her people treat others, not only "flat ears" but humans, dwarves, qunari etc. The way how arrogant some Dalish can be really makes my skin crawl, and I can imagine that someone who is appointed as being the inquisitor is going to have a real hard time expanding the inquisition if they're being flat out racist to other races. So if we would be able to play as a rebellious dalish that would be awesome :D 


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While there are many Dalish elves who aren't complete jerks and the way elves are treated in general isn't acceptable, there are times where I can understand why the Magisters sunk Arthalan.

It might be the fact that I roll dwarven characters in D&D but sometimes its satisfying to see the high and mighty elves get their comeuppance.
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Whilst I don't necessarily agree with everything the Dalish profess, I do admire one aspect.  "We are the Dalish and we shall never submit."   I want to make a better world for all elves because I feel they have been shabbily treated for something that happened nearly 1000 years ago but at least the Dalish didn't just roll over and submit.   If it had been me, I'd have rather gone nomad than allow the humans to herd me into their alienages.   I do wonder, though, just how many elves died fighting for their freedom, particularly the adults.   I suspect that the original inhabitants of the alienages were just children and a few old elves to frail to fight who were captured during the initial assault and before any thought had been given to defeat or retreat.    



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Not everyone who doesn't like Cullen dislikes him because he is bland.  Personally I think he is kind of interesting, and he's attractive.  My issue stems from the fact that he literally says that mages aren't people.  I don't know if I will have a character who would be interested enough in him, or simply willing enough, to press further, since I'm already planning at least two mages (I may also play a rogue).  If I were to play a warrior or rogue things might be different, but I am personally a bit put off by his attitude and that also makes a difference even if my characters would be okay with it.  Again, I'm not a big fan of self-loathing in characters, whether mine or the dev team's.

That's why I said he might be someone people dislike from previous games - I figured it could be for ideological reasons as well.  When he said the 'not people...' line, I definitely seethed a bit as well.  Not going to go into why i want to romance him anyway - there's a whole other (massive) thread where that would belong  ;)

 

Which makes Solas even more of an enigma.   He doesn't look Dalish, he doesn't seem like a former Circle mage, which would make him a long term apostate but where did he originate and how has he been surviving up to now?    I think that is why he will be one of the last to be revealed and then possibly only a partial one, to retain his sense of mystery.

Ah, I want to know all this too!  I just have a real love for rebellious/oddball characters and I really want to know the story of this Fade expert apostate.  I can't help but draw a parallel between him and Sketch - the elven apostate in Leliana's Song who has been hiding among mercenary groups for so long he no longer associates himself with Circle mages or elven people.  Is he a wandering nomad who spends most of his time away from civilization?  Or did he live among some of the less well-known groups with their free mages - the so-called hedge witches in the Wilds, or the Seers in Rivain.  The mystery is killing me!



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While there are many Dalish elves who aren't complete jerks and the way elves are treated in general isn't acceptable, there are times where I can understand why the Magisters sunk Arthalan.

It might be the fact that I roll dwarven characters in D&D but sometimes its satisfying to see the high and mighty elves get their comeuppance.

What i wonder is if the ancient elves of arlathan actually caused arlathan to fall itself, *Edit* after reading a bit on arlathan it's no longer a wonder... elves were as bad as the tevinter imperium and orlais combined. I also remember the concept art of where there was a city within the fade, I wonder if that was arlathan and perhaps the fade is a prison (considering what morrigans half sister said about the fade for those who know)

 

I also wonder if solas will be an elven supremacist or remain more moderate, he seems more moderate to me myself but it would be something interesting to considerXD



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The Dalish didn't come across as horrible to everyone else in DA:O. I didn't really like their portrayal in DA2, but that's at least in part with how I didn't care for their sudden Na'vi makeover in both looks and attitude. Just because they are nomadic and desperately trying to stay tied to their past does not mean they should be all bird-listening-spirit-shaman-hate the-humans-rahrah-hippies. My Dalish Warden would have been all "...whut?" had she returned to see them that way. It was definitely not the impression I had of them when she left her clan to join Duncan.

 

With events in The Masked Empire, I'm of the mind that one clan does not the whole of the Dalish make, and just because they were arrogant jerks does not mean the rest of them are. Wary, untrusting, and perhaps with a touch of racial arrogance, sure. That's only normal considering what they've been through. It would just really disappoint me if they were suddenly ALL jackasses in DAI, and I don't intend to play my Dalish Inquisitor that way. There's suddenly a much bigger issue than finding the elven word for diamond, you know?


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