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[Former_Fiend]

So, now that we have full confirmation that Viveinne will oppose the mage rebellion, that would seem to cast Solas as our pro-rebellion voice. Not surprising given that, aside from being a foil to Viveinne in every conceivable way, we have art that apparently depicts him defending a camp of rebel mages against a templar attack.

 

I am seeing some potential in the dynamic between him and Viveinne and Cassandra that pique my interest in the character a bit, but at the same time I'm concerned, given how much Anders pro-rebellion stance made me dislike him.

 

I hope they handle it with a bit more grace, this time around.

[renfrees]

So, now that we have full confirmation that Viveinne will oppose the mage rebellion, that would seem to cast Solas as our pro-rebellion voice. Not surprising given that, aside from being a foil to Viveinne in every conceivable way, we have art that apparently depicts him defending a camp of rebel mages against a templar attack.

A mage, defending the camp is human.

[Former_Fiend]

A mage, defending the camp is human.

 

The ears looked slightly pointed to me and others. 

 

It's also possible that "elf" was a late addition to his character and he started as just "bald mage" rather than "bald elf mage".

[LobselVith8]

I am seeing some potential in the dynamic between him and Viveinne and Cassandra that pique my interest in the character a bit, but at the same time I'm concerned, given how much Anders pro-rebellion stance made me dislike him.

 

I hope they handle it with a bit more grace, this time around.

 

Dynamic, regarding the Mage-Templar War? You think Solas, Vivienne, and Cassandra will have opposing ideologies about what the mages should do?

[The Elder King]

Lobsel, check the Bioware blog. She disagrees with the rebellion.

[renfrees]

The ears looked slightly pointed to me and others. 

 

It's also possible that "elf" was a late addition to his character and he started as just "bald mage" rather than "bald elf mage".

Danarius has also had slightly pointed ears, doesn't mean he was an elf. Even though, your second assumption is entirely possible.

[Hellion Rex]

Dynamic, regarding the Mage-Templar War? You think Solas, Vivienne, and Cassandra will have opposing ideologies about what the mages should do?

 

 

"Referred to as Madame de Fer, “the Lady of Iron”, Vivienne lives up to her title. A leader among the mages and official enchanter to the Imperial court, she is renowned as a fearsome woman who achieved her position through guile and deft political maneuvering. Vivienne allows nothing to stand in the way of what she desires—not those who claim she is a social climber, not those who seek to restrict her power, not even her fellow mages who would conscript her into a rebellion with which she disagrees. Vivienne fights to restore order in a world gone mad…so long as that leaves her among those left standing, once all is said and done."

[LobselVith8]

Lobsel, check the Bioware blog. She disagrees with the rebellion.

 

I saw the recent post about her character in the Vivienne thread. I can see the obvious conflict that Vivienne could run into with an apostate (like Solas), although I still don't know what exactly she endorses.

[renfrees]

Dynamic, regarding the Mage-Templar War? You think Solas, Vivienne, and Cassandra will have opposing ideologies about what the mages should do?

Vivienne and Cass would only have disagreements about methods, i suppose. So that leaves only Solas as a sole symbol of mage freedom. Ironic.

[Hellion Rex]

I saw the recent post about her character in the Vivienne thread. I can see the obvious conflict that Vivienne could run into with an apostate (like Solas), although I still don't know what exactly she endorses.

At most, I think she endorses a system where she can still hold power and influence.

[LobselVith8]

At most, I think she endorses a system where she can still hold power and influence.

 

I think you're right. That's about as much as I gathered from that post at the Vivienne thread.

 

I guess Solas' views on the Circles may also depend on what type of person he is; if he's Dalish, then he might oppose the Circles for obvious reasons, or if he's an Andrastian apostate, he may disagree with certain aspects of the Chantry controlled Circles.

[Former_Fiend]

I imagine Cassandra's overall view is going to depend a lot on the story Varric told her. She wants to bring an end to the war, no doubt, but how she wants to do that and on what terms will likely be very much colored by Hawke's actions.

 

Viveinne's position is clear; she wants a return to the status quo because the status quo is what made her powerful. She wants a return to normalcy for, apparently, purely selfish reasons. 

 

Going off of that, I'm given to imagine that Solas will support the rebellion for primarily selfless reasons; family, friends, the suffering of Joe Mage Public in general.

 

From a purely physical perspective, literally everything about Solas is the polar opposite of Viveinne. He's a skinny, lanky, pale elf who dresses in rags, she's a curvaceous, dark skinned human who dresses in horribly impractical finery. I have to assume that this is a visual cue that these two are going to be diametrically opposed on everything.

 

Cassandra's more of a wild card in that trio; I name-dropped her because out of the known and likely companions she's the one who has a stake and interest in the mage-templar conflict, which, whatever her view ends up being, will be the one to tie into the conflict between Viv and Sol, as I imagine it.

 

Or I could be completely off base and they'll be a whacky odd couple that'll star in Thedas' first sitcom.

[renfrees]

At most, I think she endorses a system where she can still hold power and influence.

A typical magister.

[KainD]

So, now that we have full confirmation that Viveinne will oppose the mage rebellion, that would seem to cast Solas as our pro-rebellion voice. 

 

Now as in NOW? When was this? 

 

Edit: Nvm, saw the post. 

[KainD]

A typical magister.

 

Don't think there is much influence and power to be gained in the circle, at the end of the day the system still sucks. 

[azarhal]

Vivienne and Cass would only have disagreements about methods, i suppose. So that leaves only Solas as a sole symbol of mage freedom. Ironic.

 

You think that Vivienne and Cassandra would have a disagreements about methods? I have the feeling they are going to be bro personally.

 

All the "my dear" in the PAX preview and Cassandra's little "First Enchanter" were sort of endearing. Of course, it could be possible that they can't stand each other and the whole thing is just hypocrisy. Fit with court intrigue stuff.

[renfrees]

You think that Vivienne and Cassandra would have a disagreements about methods? I have the feeling they are going to be bro personally.

 

All the "my dear" in the PAX preview and Cassandra's little "First Enchanter" were sort of endearing. Of course, it could be possible that they can't stand each other and the whole thing is just hypocrisy. Fit with court intrigue stuff.

Maybe, who knows how far Vivi is willing to go. Maybe eventually they will, but it was a speculation on my part.

[Former_Fiend]

Don't think there is much influence and power to be gained in the circle, at the end of the day the system still sucks. 

 

And yet, I imagine that's one of the reasons the system appeals to Viveinne; within the confines of that system she's managed to lift herself to a position of power higher than most anyone, let alone a mage, can attain. 

 

I'm getting the sense that Viveinne's world view amounts to "It is not enough that I succeed; all others must fail." A world of mage freedom would me that any mage could potentially do what she's done, which aside from threatening her power would diminish her accomplishment in general.

[KainD]

And yet, I imagine that's one of the reasons the system appeals to Viveinne; within the confines of that system she's managed to lift herself to a position of power higher than most anyone, let alone a mage, can attain. 

 

I'm getting the sense that Viveinne's world view amounts to "It is not enough that I succeed; all others must fail." A world of mage freedom would me that any mage could potentially do what she's done, which aside from threatening her power would diminish her accomplishment in general.

 

Damn, if that's how it is, she is going to be my favorite companion. 

[renfrees]

Damn, if that's how it is, she is going to be my favorite companion. 

I knew you'd liked her.

[LobselVith8]

I imagine Cassandra's overall view is going to depend a lot on the story Varric told her. She wants to bring an end to the war, no doubt, but how she wants to do that and on what terms will likely be very much colored by Hawke's actions.

 

Which makes me wonder, if she's a mandatory companion, why she would automatically sign up with the Inquisitor, unless she's serving as a neutral party (which has come up because of some developer comments made about Cassandra). I would find it weird if she thought the Inquisitor would automatically help her with her goals; it's not like the thought wouldn't cross her mind if the Inquisitor is Vashoth or Dalish, since the two groups aren't on the best of terms with either the Chantry or the Chantry controlled Circles (moreso with the latter). If Cassandra seeks to restore the status quo of the Chantry controlled Circles, I can see that being an issue with an apostate like Solas, who may likely oppose that goal.

 

Going off of that, I'm given to imagine that Solas will support the rebellion for primarily selfless reasons; family, friends, the suffering of Joe Mage Public in general.

 

From a purely physical perspective, literally everything about Solas is the polar opposite of Viveinne. He's a skinny, lanky, pale elf who dresses in rags, she's a curvaceous, dark skinned human who dresses in horribly impractical finery. I have to assume that this is a visual cue that these two are going to be diametrically opposed on everything.

 

That's an interesting observation. You could very well be right about Vivienne and Solas.

[Lambdadelta]

You think that Vivienne and Cassandra would have a disagreements about methods? I have the feeling they are going to be bro personally.

 

All the "my dear" in the PAX preview and Cassandra's little "First Enchanter" were sort of endearing. Of course, it could be possible that they can't stand each other and the whole thing is just hypocrisy. Fit with court intrigue stuff.

 

I was just thinking about how they seem to have pretty similair viewpoints-- both of them very pro-Chantry and pro-Circle, and both of them kind of pragmatic about their methods (like Cassandra supporting the Inquisitor's actions in the demo seems to hint). I think they might just get along pretty well. Or that they'll dislike each other the moment they realize how similair they are. Either could happen.

 

I am actually extremely fascinated by the way Solas and Vivienne are just total polar opposites in every possible way. I have no doubt he's going to be the pro-rebellion, anti-chantry/anti-circle one, and probably more idealistic and moral in his methods. Being an elf and expreriencing the double opression that comes with that probably didn't help his view of the Chantry much. (And quite correctly too, because the Chantry is kind of a really terrible, terrible institution, but...) I am really, really looking forward to his party banters with her, but I'm also probably going to yet again end up in a mildly uncomfortable situation where I'm conflicted because I love two characters with extremely opposing views, one of which I highly agree with and the other which I highly disagree with.

[Former_Fiend]

Damn, if that's how it is, she is going to be my favorite companion. 

 

And she'll probably be a severed head on my fortress wall.

[Han Shot First]

Don't think there is much influence and power to be gained in the circle, at the end of the day the system still sucks. 

 

She was the official court enchanter of Orlais. That means she had the ear of Empress Celene and was among the most powerful people in the kingdom.

[EmissaryofLies]

And she'll probably be a severed head on my fortress wall.

 

Nah, just put her in a box and send her to Tevinter.