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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Mind that with 'Javik' i meant an ancient elf, not Javik's personality.
If you're opposed to baldy being an ancient elf, fair enough. As I said, I'd prefer if he's something else.

Oh, well that's different. 

[nightcobra]

Is it bad I'm kinda hoping John Rafter Lee, ie Dr.Cid, to be the voice of this character if it turns out to be a tevinter magister?

 

Don't know if it fits an elf though, still I think he'd do pretty well.

[ElitePinecone]

I think there's a small chance he might the Javik of DAI. I'd prefer if he was the magister though.

 

You mean like an ancient elf that we wake up from their magical sleep thing after finding him in the forest somewhere? Maybe...

 

Don't Dalish usually have tattoos though? Or is that just their modern-day descendants...

[The Elder King]

You mean like an ancient elf that we wake up from their magical sleep thing after finding him in the forest somewhere? Maybe...
 
Don't Dalish usually have tattoos though? Or is that just their modern-day descendants...

Technically I don't think dalish existed before the fall of the Dales. They were just elves. But even if in the Dales they were already dalish, I think they weren't at the time of Arlathan.
As for the tattoos, I don't think the codex specificy if it's a thing made by the dalish or by their ancestors too.

[Ieldra]

Question for everyone: can an elf be a magister? So far I got the impression that the magisterium was a human-exclusive body, especially since it is required that you be a descendant of certain families to become a magister. Does WoT have anything to say about this?

 

(Note that I would like Bald Elf Mage to be a magister. I just think it is unlikely)

[Treacherous J Slither]

I like the bald look on this elf.

 

Shartan was bald.

 

Zarathian is bald.

 

Many elves in Kirkwall were bald too. It seems to be part of their culture or customs. The fact that so many humans find it visually unnappealing makes it even more appealing to me as a way of defining the elves as different from humans. Like with them not wearing shoes. The stranger the better I say.

[Petr0nella]

Question for everyone: can an elf be a magister? So far I got the impression that the magisterium was a human-exclusive body, especially since it is required that you be a descendant of certain families to become a magister. Does WoT have anything to say about this?

(Note that I would like Bald Elf Mage to be a magister. I just think it is unlikely)

WoT lists 2 Mage classes - Altus mages descended from the original Tevinter magisters (Dreamers) and Laetans who are mages born into non-magical families or who cannot trace their ancestry to the Dreamers. So it's not impossible for an elf to become a magister.

Wasn't Fenris' sister going to be apprenticed to a magister for helping Danarius catch him?

Edit: spelling.

[Reznore57]

It's hard to tell about an elf magister , from the lore I would say it's almost impossible.

All elves were slaves , and once you're freed from slavery , you're part of a special social class : The Liberati.

They can become apprentice and join a Circle but they have limited rights , they can't join the military , they can't really have a say in governance , they are not seen as citizen.

I assume this class system get passed down through generation...

 

Most magisters are from the Altus class , I can't imagine them welcoming a Liberati among their elite.

Though who knows?

They have tons of troubles with their slaves going all riot on the street.

So it wouldn't be too far fetched to have an elven magister just to appease people and throw them a bone.

If you're a good little slave eventualy there's hope your family will rise through the rank?

[ElitePinecone]

From the wiki:

 

• A magister is chosen from each of the seven Circles of Magi in Tevinter, usually from the ranks of senior enchanters. However, First Enchanters are ineligible for becoming magisters.
• Every grand cleric of the Imperial Chantry has a seat, as does the Imperial Divine.
• Seats can be inherited by the magisters' heirs.
• The Imperial Archon reserves the right to appoint new magisters of his choosing at any time.

Fenris' sister was a mage in Tevinter, and she was an elf. 

 

It stands to reason that if she'd risen high enough in her Circle, she could've become a magister. Or the heir to a magister.

[renfrees]

As far as i know, a person in question should be a free citizen of the Imperium and have sufficient magical talent to be able to get apprenticed.

 

That's how Varania was going to become a magister - she was essentially free (thanks to Fenris, ungrateful b*tch) and she's had enough magical talent for Danarius to make her an offer of apprenticeship (i'm not implying it was sufficient, but it fit the rules).

 

So yes, an elf could have been appointed to a Magister's rank by these rules.

[Gnoster]

I don't mind him being bald, doesn't really matter to me. I would love the idea of having a Tevinter magister with me as a companion, even if he is an exiled one. The only worry I get from the OP is the qoute of his specialty being healing magic, I am so worried that Means of the two mage companions, he is the only one with access to healing spells (like Anders was the only one in DA2). Here's hoping Vienne can also be specced into a pure healer just as efficiently as Dorian (and vice versus him into a pure damage dealer)

[azarhal]

This reminds me SO much of a MEG thread, its eerie.

 

If he's a David Gaider's char, he's definitely gonna be LI. I've yet to see any DG's companion, who didn't turn out to be romanceable. He's just too good at it 

 

David wrote to follower and two romances, but there is nothing that suggest BEM is the other follower.

[EmissaryofLies]

Top thread BSN 2014.

'Tis sad but true, not everyone can rock the bald look. Some look like Dwayne Johnson, Patrick Stewart. Others look like Dr. Phil.

[ElitePinecone]

I don't mind him being bald, doesn't really matter to me. I would love the idea of having a Tevinter magister with me as a companion, even if he is an exiled one. The only worry I get from the OP is the qoute of his specialty being healing magic, I am so worried that Means of the two mage companions, he is the only one with access to healing spells (like Anders was the only one in DA2). Here's hoping Vienne can also be specced into a pure healer just as efficiently as Dorian (and vice versus him into a pure damage dealer)

 

It's not confirmed that Dorian is the healer mentioned in the comic, and it's not confirmed that Bald Elf Mage is Dorian, so it's quite possible that all of my speculation is wrong and BEM is a completely different character. I only mentioned the "exiled magister" thing because it really struck me when I read it, after also reading Dorian's bio in the leaked survey. 

 

Also, I'm not sure that healing will even work the same way in DA:I, since they're overhauling the health system and stuff. If a mage character can heal everybody out of their recharging mana pool, it makes the whole concept of non-replenishing health a bit pointless. If they're trying to make the player be careful about their health meter and conserving potions etc, I think they'll have to change the way healing magic works regardless. 

 

Mike also mentioned that companions can be specced to use different weapon classes, so the same thing might apply to mages and spell trees. 

[Gnoster]

It's not confirmed that Dorian is the healer mentioned in the comic, and it's not confirmed that Bald Elf Mage is Dorian, so it's quite possible that all of my speculation is wrong and BEM is a completely different character. I only mentioned the "exiled magister" thing because it really struck me when I read it, after also reading Dorian's bio in the leaked survey. 

 

Also, I'm not sure that healing will even work the same way in DA:I, since they're overhauling the health system and stuff. If a mage character can heal everybody out of their recharging mana pool, it makes the whole concept of non-replenishing health a bit pointless. If they're trying to make the player be careful about their health meter and conserving potions etc, I think they'll have to change the way healing magic works regardless. 

 

Mike also mentioned that companions can be specced to use different weapon classes, so the same thing might apply to mages and spell trees. 

 

Ah ok thanks for clearing that up, thought the Magister stuff was acknowledged even though Dorian isn't confirmed as companion. Still would be awesome with a link to the Tewinter Empirium.

 

I actually agree with you on the best course of action might be a rework of healing magic mechanics considering the way they are going with health. Problem is how to do that outside of reducing healing "spells" to either a limited number between resting or to only being able to heal e.g. up to 40% of your max health and after that only potions can do the rest.

[CybAnt1]

I know healing and/or healing magic is not the main topic, but since it's been raised ...

 

What if one of the Exploration Skills is First Aid? .... giving non-mages a chance to heal through bandaging, salves, etc. 

 

Could shake "traditional" party roles up a bit, aye?

[Ieldra]

WoT lists 2 Mage classes - Altus mages descended from the original Tevinter magisters (Dreamers) and Laetans who are mages born into non-magical families or who cannot trace their ancestry to the Dreamers. So it's not impossible for an elf to become a magister.

Yes, but the title "magister" is reserved for those with a seat on the Magisterium, and that is restricted to the Altus. So if there is no elf lineage among the original magisters, an elf can't become a magister. Question No 1: was there an elf among the original magisters? I suppose not.

Question 2: Is it culturally possible for an elf to be an established (non-magister) mage in Tevinter? Or is Tevinter somewhat racist about it and denies elves participation in Imperial culture?

For Bald Elf Mage to have a Tevinter background, at least one of those questions must be answered with "yes". I suspoect, though, that the answer to both is "no". Does anyone here know more?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Both Altus and the Laetans can become Magisters. Only the Altus can become Archon who must decend from the original Magisters.

[Hellion Rex]

Both Altus and the Laetans can become Magisters. Only the Altus can become Archon who must decend from the original Magisters.

That's actually not true. According to WoT, one third of all Archons in history have been Laetens.

[EmperorSahlertz]

That's actually not true. According to WoT, one third of all Archons in history have been Laetens.

Okay then. Could have sworn there was something about only Altus(es?) becomming Archons. Anyhoo... I am still fairly certain that an Elf stands no chance at becomming Archon.

[Hellion Rex]

Okay then. Could have sworn there was something about only Altus(es?) becomming Archons. Anyhoo... I am still fairly certain that an Elf stands no chance at becomming Archon.

Agreed. I'm seriously surprised that an elf made it far enough to be a magister, and one of reportedly high strength. But I don't think he stands any chance of being an Archon.

[ElitePinecone]

Yes, but the title "magister" is reserved for those with a seat on the Magisterium, and that is restricted to the Altus. So if there is no elf lineage among the original magisters, an elf can't become a magister. Question No 1: was there an elf among the original magisters? I suppose not.

Question 2: Is it culturally possible for an elf to be an established (non-magister) mage in Tevinter? Or is Tevinter somewhat racist about it and denies elves participation in Imperial culture?

For Bald Elf Mage to have a Tevinter background, at least one of those questions must be answered with "yes". I suspoect, though, that the answer to both is "no". Does anyone here know more?

 

From earlier in the thread, how magisters are appointed in Tevinter:

• A magister is chosen from each of the seven Circles of Magi in Tevinter, usually from the ranks of senior enchanters. However, First Enchanters are ineligible for becoming magisters.
• Every grand cleric of the Imperial Chantry has a seat, as does the Imperial Divine.
• Seats can be inherited by the magisters' heirs.
• The Imperial Archon reserves the right to appoint new magisters of his choosing at any time.

Where was it said that the Magisterium was restricted to the Altus? 

 

World of Thedas even says a third of the Archons in Tevinter history came from Laetans, or the class of people whose ancestors weren't Altus. 

 

As to your second question, we already have an example of an elven mage in Tevinter who was accepted by the magisters - Fenris' sister Varania, who was an apprentice to Magister Ahriman.

[ElitePinecone]

I cropped the "cave" concept art that featured Bald Elf Mage, but the result is extremely blurry. At least you can see he has clothing options that are less drab.

 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Wasn't Fenris' master's name Danarius?

[Hellion Rex]

Wasn't Fenris' master's name Danarius?

Yes, Hadriana claimed that Varania served in the court of Magister Ahriman, but it is kind of confusing, cause when you actually meet her in Act 3, she claims that if she helped lure Fenris out for Danarius, then he would make her his apprentice.