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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

OK pulling this straight from the wiki:
 

So - something about Uthenera post human contact made it impossible. They would die in their sleep as compared to being able to return.

Also Dorian states some interesting things about the Orb in a conversation with Solas:
 

Add in Abelas's ambiguous comment if you side with the Templars and it's Venatori who are attacking.

"No. Fen'harel had nothing to do with Mythal's murder. It was done by men similar to those attacking us now." If I remember correctly.

So this might imply that the ancient Neromenian dreamers managed to murder Mythal, steal her Orb, and with it a great deal of power and elven knowledge.

...Huh.

[Gwyvian]

Exactly why my Lavellan supported her. If all three of them are just as bad, might as well support the one who would actually use her new-found power to help the elves (a poor and disenfranchised group) instead of just gaining more power for him/herself.

 

 

My Lavellan sees all elves as her people, regardless of their cultural standing. She'll protect and support them no matter what. If supporting Briala supports them, then so be it.

 

I agree that, on balance, Briala would be the best choice, she does want to support elves and I can identify with that to a degree. I'm worried that through my blackmail option she's basically just going to be sidelined no matter how much I press Celene and Gaspard - originally I wanted the Celene/Briala combo because I read somewhere that this might get Briala instated as a noble... it would not only be scandalous, it would give her the kind of maneuvering power that she needs to set in motion long-term actions that can help elves, much more effectively than she's achieving with her rebellion, people are forced to see elves as slowly becoming equals of a sort now not only through Lavellan, but through Briala, too. But then I thought, well, would she be able to hold her own there? If Celene is still in love with her, there is a possibility for Briala to basically seduce her into anything, plus with her noble status Celene need not fear the slander so much, which is somewhat at the root of her massacre - she needed to be seen as not being "influenced" by the elves, that she was still strong, ruthless and pro-human. But if Briala is a noble, by my hand as the Inquisitor, then it's in her interest to shower her with privilege and see that elves are treated fairly. (Not to mention that - story allowing - I might just slaughter the entire court if they try any elven purging again. I imagined giving Celene a threatening whisper about that.) Anyway, next playthrough I might just do the Briala rules through Gaspard, I'm curious to see how it plays out. This time around, after so many mess-ups, I thought it better to just have everyone on leading strings so I can have the productive side of all three factions while keeping their squabbling under wraps. I didn't really want to kill either Celene nor Gaspard, for that matter. (Ooooh, but then I cannot unmask Florianne! *sob* Perhaps... this time I would succeed at rekindling the relationship? Ahhh this is maddening, even now this quest still drives me crazy! I still love it, though. Solas gives approval for the unmasking too, though, doesn't he? I feel so torn. That unmasking was brilliant and so fit my Lavellan.)

 

As to the elves as my people - out of character I want to help any and all of them. In-character, my leanings are biased after so many disparaging comments from Dalish elves I've heard throughout Thedas regarding city elves and how they've lost their way, they are all but shems in elven skins. (After the Well of Sorrows that pillar of distinction crumbled into sickening dust as a real, immortal elf called me a shem. *cries*) I saw that the Lavellan clan was not so standoffish, true, but going with a rogue mentality, I thought my Lavellan's affections should extend only so far. True, she would help any elf around her at the drop of a hat, but she also sees that the city elves chose to stay close to humans, they do not take their own destiny in their own hands and go to the forests as (from her perspective) is truer to elven roots than the presumed miserable and servile position elves were beaten into and to which she thinks city elves cling to. She does not know what it's like, simply put, and has blind spots regarding elves in general. That's one reason she chose not to like what Briala does, because elves should be better than that, and for all her claims, Briala did try to assassinate one of her own just for the sake of a secret. She'd rather take things into her own hands and use the Inquisition to slap some sense into humans without that kind of taint on her actions.

 

 

Interesting to note too, Solas approves of Briala. If you put her in power he approves (I think), and if you talk to him about her afterwards he mentions he admires her. That she's a woman who starts off with nothing, but works her way up using nothing but her wits and limited resources, and (if you aid her) ultimately succeeds "in a world that looks at her... and only sees a pair of pointed ears." Any doubt I had of supporting her melted when Solas said this.

 

Yes, I read this. I can't decide whether or not to be jealous, hahaha. I'm trying really hard not to be influenced to the hilt by what Solas approves of, but I suspect I'm going to fail spectacularly.

....Briala in power it is. That probably means I should send the Wardens into exile, too. Uuugh, after all my time in DA:O as a Warden that option kind of really hurts.

 

 

Certainly how my Lavellan felt when he said this. We now know why he says this (being an ancient elven god and all), but Lavellan never learns it. I think mine took it harder in the save where she failed to help Briala because she was already reeling from failing to help elves, then hearing her elven beloved say that (when part of the reason she was drawn to him was because she thought he understood) just felt like getting kicked when she was already down. In the save where she succeeded in helping Briala, she felt irked but could live with it. They shared enough goals, values, and views that him not feeling like one of the elves is not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.

 

I so wish that we get a chance to have him explain it to her - I'm torn between deep appreciation for tragedy and a fervent desire to just get Solas back and let Thedas burn if that's the price for it. It all would make so much more sense to her. I felt the same way, though, when I tried to get Briala into some semblance of power - she just kept getting exiled, so I knew something glitched horribly. I had the locket and I spoke to both of them, but I ended up speaking to Briala first which probably messed it up completely. After that, Solas' confusion as to why he should care about the fate of one elf, well... I kind of weakly excused myself from that conversation and felt like the ground just swallowed me.

 

 

Heh, I'm glad your rogue had a ball. (Get it?) One of ours should. 

 

My Lavellan saw it as a thoroughly unpleasant, nerve-wracking, nauseating experience just to serve a means to an end. Yes, there's satisfaction in being a "Dalish savage" who got plopped into the highest human court and beat humans at their own Game, on her first try. But she was definitely glad when it was over, and once her ends were achieved (keep Corypheus from spreading the chaos he wants to create the Dark Future, and remove from power who suppress elves and replace them with someone who can help elves), she was more than happy to unwind with a dance of romance, then go back to Skyhold where everyone "just says what they want," as Cole puts it. (That little sweetie! )

 

Hehehe, yes! Well either way, miserable or not, it sure is a satisfying finish to win the Game and then dance! Aww, Cole the heartbreak is especially wrenching as he tries to help Lavellan's broken relationship... ahh, the angst.

 

 

I wish you well. I personally used to do that, but now I feel it's more trouble than it's worth. I now do playthroughs that are good enough, then headcanon little imperfects away.

 

It would probably be really interesting experiencing it again knowing who Solas really is, and finding more meaning in his every word and action.

 

Thank you.   Usually I feel like my first playthrough is going to be a kind of disaster anyway, because I don't know enough, so I'll just roughly explore everything (I'm a completionist, but I had to admit that picking every single blighted elfroot and spindleweed I stumble across was destined to drive me crazy, so I cut back on that) and then after a couple of playthroughs I'll hit the mark. Although, I admit, after the fiasco that Wicked Hearts was, I almost stopped playing and restarted Lavellan - I didn't know then that the sparseness of romantic moments with Solas was by design, either, so I felt like I'd messed up so bad in general that I can't even fit this into "first playthrough mistakes" in my head - but I stuck with it and glad I did. This was, however, a remarkably well-played round, though, all things considered.

I'm going to stop the elfroot/spindleweed collecting, though. The second time around I won't mess up war table options, either! Ugh. I missed the talks between Antiva and Nevarra and have been kicking myself over that since.

 

Oh, I fully intend to watch Solas' every move like a hawk and listen to his every word, and those of the other companions as they comment on him. Especially Cole!

[OxidantsHappen]

OK pulling this straight from the wiki:
 

So - something about Uthenera post human contact made it impossible. They would die in their sleep as compared to being able to return.

Also Dorian states some interesting things about the Orb in a conversration with Solas:
 

Yes this makes sense (i think). IF the quickening functioned as a type of regulator (an apoptosis activator in my cancer cell comparison), it could interfere with Uthenera (the cell stasis). In the body, caspases are used in cell stasis as a way to inhibit apoptosis during cellular stasis, but if there is a compound/protein/thing that is stimulating apoptosis it could (?) interfere with the whole stasis thing and just end up with terminating the cell (maybe). I do not have extensive knowledge about the interactions between caspases and apoptosis activators, so this might be inaccurate? Feel free to poke holes.

 

EDIT: actually the more I read this the more I loose my train of thought. 

[madrar]

Uthenera is another thing I've been chewing on. So compare uthenera to cell stasis and apply that to my cancer cell-immortality theory. Chemotherapy utilizes cytostatic treatments as a way to regulate cell growth. Uthenera could be a way of "pausing" growth/immortality/life (entering a dormant phase) rather than simply sleeping. 

 

EDIT: Because my original post was a crazy raving abomination that was an affront to science. And I don't know where I'm going with this. I think I fried my brain.

 

Yeah, I've been hearing an odd sizzling sound for the last ten minutes...  @w@   Time to sleep, I think. 

 

I keep getting weird hunches about uthenera and relative space-time, but nothing ever sparks right.  Part of me wants to connect everything about the fade to wierd physics, because Schrodinger and wave-particle duality and crossroads-style multiverse with paths to other... players' Thedases... but... yeah.  Time to sleep instead.

[Sister Squish]

OK pulling this straight from the wiki:
 

So - something about Uthenera post human contact made it impossible. They would die in their sleep as compared to being able to return.

Also Dorian states some interesting things about the Orb in a conversation with Solas:
 

 

Maker.... did they.... did they steal the souls of those in "stasis" and keep them imprisoned in orbs as sources of power? 

 

(Edit: this is super unscientific and probably requires knowledge of what the fade might be.)

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

Yeah, I've been hearing an odd sizzling sound for the last ten minutes...  @w@   Time to sleep, I think. 

 

I keep getting weird hunches about uthenera and relative space-time, but nothing ever sparks right.  Part of me wants to connect everything about the fade to wierd physics, because Schrodinger and wave-particle duality and crossroads-style multiverse with paths to other... players' Thedases... but... yeah.  Time to sleep instead.

But Madrar, Cole makes references to Schrodinger's Cat when it comes to Fade spirits and how they interact with people.

Of course, instead of the cat being dead or alive, it's whether it's Solas's friend Wisdom or Solas's friend who get hooked on meth Pride.

Obviously Bioware is encouraging you to use physics to explain the Fade for everyone.

EDIT: Lizazaurus, for your Titan theory, would it help to note that the Primeval Thaig predates the first Memories, which at the very least go back to 6430FA? And that golems were invented by Caridin in 7932FA? But golems are mysteriously present in the Primeval Thaig. And Caridin claims he got the idea for the Anvil/golem theory by 'inspiration from the ancestors'.

[LliiraAnna]

Somehow this makes the reveal of her being human even MORE interesting, I just can't pinpoint how/ why. So if they're men similar to those attack us now what do we know of the Venatori:

- Nationalist Invaders

- Predominately Mages (forgot that part - derp)

- Red Lyrium

- Desire to become god-kings who will rule over Thedas in his stead when the Elder One conquers the Black City and becomes a god.
 

 

Yes, but Mythal says that she was betrayed. You cannot be "betrayed" by someone you didn't trust; I think this betrayal was personal. Unless whoever betrayed her didn't kill her him/herself, arming humans with power needed to do so instead. 

[Sashimi_taco]

Welp. Here it is, 2am. Alone in the dark. Headphones on. Listening to this. I am officially creeped the hell out. Its like watching one of them ghost hunter shows or something in the dead of night - because that's really the only way those shows are any good. There's goosebumps all up my arm.Think I'll turn on every light in the house, just in case.

 

Anyway, here's what I heard:

 

"She speaks the truth. She saw the Lost. Go to.. Dirth? [Next few words before the ellipsis sorta run together] Mythal speaks? The call is sweet ... from the blood. He is bound to the same. Travel far. Don't look."

 

Bolded bits are what I heard differently. Some of it was very soft or under other words. I'll keep listening, even if it gives me the heebie jeebies. 

 

i added your interpretation to the video.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Bluwthe]

OK pulling this straight from the wiki:
 

So - something about Uthenera post human contact made it impossible. They would die in their sleep as compared to being able to return.

Also Dorian states some interesting things about the Orb in a conversation with Solas:
 

Maybe it had something to do with human ideology changing the nature of the fade (as it is a reflection of reality), making it harder for dreamers to understand and read the fade as they used to? Perhaps simple exposure to their then limited mindsets made traveling the face more strenuous?

[sunhair]

Somehow this makes the reveal of her being human even MORE interesting, I just can't pinpoint how/ why. So if they're men similar to those attack us now what do we know of the Venatori:

- Nationalist Invaders

- Predominately Mages (forgot that part - derp)

- Red Lyrium

- Desire to become god-kings who will rule over Thedas in his stead when the Elder One conquers the Black City and becomes a god.
 

 

It COULD be the spirits of these dreamers. It could also be their dreams themselves. Their hopes. Their desires. And in that way Fade Spirits. It would also provide some evidence to the strange balcony conversation you have with Solas where he questions you if the Anchor, something given to you based on your interactions with the orb or vessel of dreams, has influenced your mind, your morals, your... spirit.
 

yeah see those questions he was asking my Levellan on the balcony had me totally going  like ok something fishy is going on here like why are you asking me all these questions about my mind, morals and spirit? and it drives me even more nutty that he knows why and I don't have a ****** clue as we can't ask him I wish that we could question him in that scene. 

 

But that also brings up the bit that cole says to you about being too bright like what is it that he sees and Solas sees I'm hoping that we eventually find out 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[OxidantsHappen]

The answer to the whole human-elf-contact thing is probably really simple and the only thing I accomplished tonight is managing to convince some lurking psychologist out there that I belong on some type of medication.

[sunhair]

The answer to the whole human-elf-contact thing is probably really simple and the only thing I accomplished tonight is managing to convince some lurking psychologist out there that I belong on some type of medication.

 if half the thoughts I have in my head about the stuff I have been theorizing about in my head got posted I'd prob need multiple types  lol

[Bluwthe]

yeah see those questions he was asking my Levellan on the balcony had me totally going  like ok something fishy is going on here like why are you asking me all these questions about my mind, morals and spirit? and it drives me even more nutty that he knows why and I don't have a ****** clue as we can't ask him I wish that we could question him in that scene. 

 

But that also brings up the bit that cole says to you about being too bright like what is it that he sees and Solas sees I'm hoping that we eventually find out 

Now that you mention it, the way the story is presented you DO seem like an anomaly. HOW did you survive the orb not killing you the moment you grabbed it? Cory mentions that you should have died, though whether he was just being a boastful villain in that segment, or honestly puzzled is debatable. How was it that only you and Divine Justinia survived and were in the Fade afterward? We know the orb tore a hole in the sky and could theorize that everyone in the room got transported...but wait, why didn't any grey wardens survive, then? And where was Corypheus at that point?

[Caddius]

7996FA: The Grey Wardens discover a number of intelligent darkspawn who can control portions of the horde even after Dumat’s death. Warden Sashamiri arranges a trap to restrain and study one of these creatures, Corypheus, believed to be one of the Tevinter Magisters who entered the Golden City and were corrupted into the first darkspawn two centuries prior. Corypheus is successfully imprisoned under the Vimmark Mountains in the southern Tevinter Imperium.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have confirmation of the rest of the Seven Magisters being active.

...Okay, so that was probably obvious. I just missed this part somehow earlier.

Also. Corpheus was captured two hundred years after his corruption, and twelve years after Dumat's death.

Damn, Dumat. You tough.

Damn, Cory. You wily.

EDIT: They spent ten years trying to kill or control him before they gave up. I think the Wardens got bored.   

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Bluwthe]

Woah, that's a fasincating concept. Perhaps as humans enter the fade, they introduce the concept of mortality? But does that mean that the Fade is location-specific? Solas hints at that a bit, in that he needed to travel and see new things to come into contact with new spirits/ memories, but the attempts of Tevinter to map the Fade proved too expensive and impossible because it was ever changing and never constant. Perhaps it is BOTH of those things - a reflection of things as they are as you see them at that geographical place, but it shifts in reaction to your will and mind at the time?

It would make sense why the elves would isolate themselves if that was the case. They could only travel within a location specific section of the fade and obtain Uthenera much more easily. Then when Tevinter began to try and map the face, those locations where only "pure elven reflections of the fade" became scarce, and Uthenera became more dangerous to try and achieve .

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[LliiraAnna]

Now that you mention it, the way the story is presented you DO seem like an anomaly. HOW did you survive the orb not killing you the moment you grabbed it? Cory mentions that you should have died, though whether he was just being a boastful villain in that segment, or honestly puzzled is debatable. How was it that only you and Divine Justinia survived and were in the Fade afterward? We know the orb tore a hole in the sky and could theorize that everyone in the room got transported...but wait, why didn't any grey wardens survive, then? And where was Corypheus at that point?

You got blasted into the Fade. Physically. That's what Corypheus wanted to happen to himself, but, well. As it happened, the ritual failed = Cory's unable to enter the Fade = he has no other choice but to retreat and come up with another plan. As for Justinia... maybe it was not really her, but the same spirit that helped you later? Idk. Need to think.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[slmisfit]

here you go. 

 

 

maybe you guys can hear more than me. There is one point where a creepy voice says i think but it's too fast for me.

Oooh... I'm glad my suggestion to turn off the music worked and helped bring out new bits of the audio! XD I'll have to listen and see what I hear in a bit.

 

Most of what I learned about Titans/Dwarves/Hive mind stems from the conversation with Dagna and the comment by Keiran to a Dwarven Inquisitor alone, both of which are in DA:I. So no need to hunt that far back!

Basically, I'm postulating that the stone is in fact Lyrium which is Titan-Blood.

Here's some stuff from Cole that I think ties in to or can help you expand your theories... when you talk to him about the Templars, here's what he has to say:

 

"They're heavy with forgotten songs, like Varric. Some of them are too loud. It's hard to stay near them. Cullen is softer..."

 

and

 

"They feel older than they look. They've been changed, and their bodies are incomplete now. The lyrium helps, but their bodies always want to connect to... something older. Bigger than they are. That's why they block magic. They reach for that other thing, and magic has no room to come in. Like when I listen to Varric."

[Caddius]

OH SNAP. OK. Here's a question before I create a crack-pot theory: WHEN did Corpheus get the orb?

 

OH SNAP. OK. Here's a question before I create a crack-pot theory: WHEN did Corpheus get the orb?

Presumably 9:34-9:41 Dragon.

The Codex Entry about Fen'harel stirring under an eclipse is between Acts 2 and 3 of DA2. *shrug* He didn't have it in the Warden Prison, thank Mythal.

EDIT: So I'm nearly done with the Ancient Age Timeline.

It's given me a lot of respect for Tevinter.

Seeing all the crap they survived as a Thedas spanning empire, it's no wonder they refuse to die to anything as pitiful as an Orlesian or Qunari invasion. They survived a two hundred year Blight, the First. For most of that time, they didn't even have Grey Wardens.

Respect.

Also, irritation for probably bringing it on themselves.

And the slavery thing.

But still.

Tough.