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Ok. I was playing earlier and got a nice conversation between Cassandra and Solas. Can I just say that I love these two?! I never would have expected them to get along so well. Cass is genuinely curious about how Solas views things without being Judgey McJudgerson about it and you can tell Solas respects Cass deeply for what she represents and what she fights for. It's like every time she is shaken by her faith or her duties he just swoops in all majestic and **** and just gives her a little pep talk. It just makes me go awww :wub: .

 

Also, I feel kinda bad for Dorian. He apologized to Solas for how Tevinter treats elves and Solas is all, "If you really cared, you'd put words into action." I'm like, "Leave my bestie alone, Solas! *Holds bff to bosom* Now, tell me I'm pretty, Dorian. " :lol:

Yeah I love how Solas and Cass are towards each other.  I find it so difficult not to just have my party be Cole, Solas, and Cass because of their interactions.  


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I'd have more Solas content if I actually stuck to a playthrough after my first one.  I start Lavellans and halfway through, I'm like "Hmm... I'd like to play a different Lavellan now."  I contribute to the Lavellan overpopulation in my own way.

 

Solas will be smooching these lovely ladies, so good for him I guess?

 

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So wait a second ...............................

 

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No... it really doesn't suck. It really works. Somehow. It just does.

 

And it being left up to everyone to decide for themselves if it happened is part of that beauty. Besides. We get passionate kisses and companions making comments. It's all good no matter how you decide. ;)


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Man, this thread moves fast.  @w@

 

New day, new nutbag theory to chew on while I catch up.  Stay with me, though, this one is rough.  Like most "out there" theories, it solves certain tangles at the expense of tangling other things we've already straightened out, but I think it might be worth poking at for a bit.  

 

So.  One of the nagging oddities that's come up a few times is Solas' particular and -very- strong affiliation with wolf imagery.  This is easiest to reconcile in his Dalish depiction- though why a "trickster" god should arbitrarily take on the particular form of a wolf breaks down a bit on close scrutiny, it can be explained.  If that were the limit of the connection, one could assume the Dalish simply granted him, after the fact, the form as well as the nature of a creature known for its cleverness and guile.  Simple enough.

 

We know from various sources, however, that this is not the case.  

 

Whatever Solas was before he was Fen'Harel, he was already very strongly identified with wolf iconography or represented wholesale by a wolf figure before the fall of Arlathan.  Ignoring mountains of statuary evidence, this is made particularly obvious in the pre-fall mosaics found in the Temple of Mythal.  Each member of the elven pantheon is represented as a distinctly elvish figure surrounded by markers that refer to known myths or hint at their domain and role.  Fen'Harel is not.   His mosaic is already the Wolf, crowned by a luminous orb.

 

So.  Brace for nutbag territory.  What if Fen'Harel was not one of the original members of the pantheon?  What if he was raised to it by his actions?   What if before he was Solas, before he was Fen'Harel - he was not an elvish-spirit-god, but Dread Wolf, Beast of the Abyss?  

 

Obviously this tangles quite a few threads, but consider the ones it untangles:

 

His universal representation, obviously.  Regardless of era, the wolf image endures.

 

His status as a bridge between the Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones

 

Myth remnants about his connection as prey-turned-love-interest to Andruil, huntress of the Abyss

 

Myth remnants about his betrayal of the Forgotten Ones, possibly initially earning the trust of the Pantheon and securing his place within it.

 

Flemythal's use of "Dread Wolf" where you might expect to hear his true name in their final scene.  If she were using the name as an admonition or cutting reference to his failures, she could have easily used "Fen'Harel" instead.  She does not.

 

Statues of the Dread Wolf/Fen'Harel traditionally faced outward from shrines and homes because his original place was as a protector and shepherd of the free People.

 

And it could, if you're willing to squint hard, go quite a bit deeper than that.  We know very little about the primordial state of the world.  "Scraps" would be overstating things.  If, however, you look at many cultures' creation myths, you find recurring elements with Thedas echoes that could well come into play here.    

 

Imagine the original state of the world as perfect Order.  All creation exists in service to the Maker and is bound to His will.  Everything -as has been mentioned so many times before- sings the same.  There is only one Song, which is both a representation of the Maker's Will and His Creation in one.  

 

As happens in so many myths and religions, this perfect order is eventually disrupted.  Sometimes from without, sometimes from within.  According to the Andrastean Chant free will was granted as a gift of the Maker, desired and freely given, but just as often we can find tales of one of the the Maker's creations wresting free will from His grasp.

 

...stop me if you see where I'm going with this already, or if it sounds like someone you know.  =w= 

 

Anyway.  This rebellious force, the Chaos counterpoint to an Order imposed by absolute obedience, often with a leader but representing an entire faction, is universally cast down by the Maker into a monstrous titan Tartarus, a Judeo-Christian Hell.... or the Abyss.   Whether leader or soldier, it seems possible our Dread Wolf may have been involved in a war far, far older than the one we usually associate with him.


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Okay, posting this here in a spoiler before even considering putting it up in the fanfic thread because, you know, feedback from people who KNOW and the fact that I have really never written a fanfic before. Just popped into my head and I wrote it down as best as I can. Also because I LOVE Dorian, he reminds me so much of my Blake that when I first played through the game I immediately took a screenshot and Facebooked him saying "Bioware stole your soul and put it in a sexy animated body. Look at the moustache! LOOK AT IT!!! Grow one now dammit." He think's I'm officially insane though he agreed that he's definitely do Dorian just for the moustache. Ah, good times.

 

Anyway, criticism and feedback (especially spelling and grammar as I typed it in Wordpad which lacks a spellcheck.) would be good. Also, how wonderful is Cole to write for (if anyone has done this). The writers must have had an absolute field day with him. 

 

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So wait a second ...............................

 

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That's up for the player to decide.  Weekes indicated as much when asked.  I think it's worked out really nicely.  It seems to have made the PT more personal as people have different reasons as to why they had sex or didn't. Why it's important or not.  The final scene is so well done and so intimate, it can be viewed either way I feel like.



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Ok. I was playing earlier and got a nice conversation between Cassandra and Solas. Can I just say that I love these two?! I never would have expected them to get along so well. Cass is genuinely curious about how Solas views things without being Judgey McJudgerson about it and you can tell Solas respects Cass deeply for what she represents and what she fights for. It's like every time she is shaken by her faith or her duties he just swoops in all majestic and **** and just gives her a little pep talk. It just makes me go awww :wub: .

 

Also, I feel kinda bad for Dorian. He apologized to Solas for how Tevinter treats elves and Solas is all, "If you really cared, you'd put words into action." I'm like, "Leave my bestie alone, Solas! *Holds bff to bosom* Now, tell me I'm pretty, Dorian. " :lol:

 

I agree the Dorian one left a sour taste in my mouth. Mostly because it's like... he is helping. He left his home and is fighting for the Inquisition trying to make things right. Solas's dismissal of him always rubbed me the wrong way. But, I guess it just shows Solas's has his sore points., and can be rather bigoted

 

The best banter though is the one where they just talk shop, going back and forth about magic. Hehe, some of the best. But overall I always feel like Dorian comes out worse in their banters when he's really trying to be nice, like the one where he asks about the technique saying it's a Tevinter technique and Solas is like hmmm nope. I always imagine my Lavellan being like Stop picking on him, Solas! :angry:


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Yeah I love how Solas and Cass are towards each other.  I find it so difficult not to just have my party be Cole, Solas, and Cass because of their interactions.  

How about Cass, Solas and Varric? I love the banter between those two, also some of the banter between Solas and Blackwall is pretty good too



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Another helpful tip for those trying to kick this addiction: Imagine Solas saying those exact same lines... making those exact same faces.... kissing just like that... with EVERY LAVELLAN OUT THERE, one after the other.

 

Works wonders  :wacko:

Solas cannot have every Lavellan, for there is only one Lavellan. She simply has many persona with which she presents herself. Yes.


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Ah, is their language not complete? They haven't created something new over time? I'm surprised.

 

During the period of absolute repression under the Tevinter Imperium, I would imagine the language was very nearly extinguished entirely.  What was left would have been as close to ancient Elvish as something like Creole is to French, at best.



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But overall I always feel like Dorian comes out worse in their banters when he's really trying to be nice, like the one where he asks about the technique saying it's a Tevinter technique and Solas is like hmmm nope. I always imagine my Lavellan being like Stop picking on him, Solas! :angry:

On the other side there's at least the banter where he and Vivienne catalogue Solas' fashion sins. Snickered all the way through that one. :D



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Solas cannot have every Lavellan, for there is only one Lavellan. She simply has many persona with which she presents herself. Yes.

 

Many personas and many awful, awful hairdos. Seriously, I'm not sure why Dorian and Viv don't spend most of the game going... "Your HAIR...I mean, look at it! Are the Dalish blind? Are you trying NOT to get laid? Seriously....your HAIR!!!"



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Many personas and many awful, awful hairdos. Seriously, I'm not sure why Dorian and Viv don't spend most of the game going... "Your HAIR...I mean, look at it! Are the Dalish blind? Are you trying NOT to get laid? Seriously....your HAIR!!!"

 

Pfft, I think the shaved sides haircut makes my Lavellan look like a BAMF :P

 

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Hmmmm, this is an interesting comparison.

 

I loved Anders in Awakening. When I played DA2, however, it was obvious he'd changed. I thought I wanted to romance him. Got as far in as the first kiss scene. But I just couldn't do it. It felt so incredibly unhealthy on so many levels. I felt for him, though. I appreciated how he ran a tiny clinic in the worst part of the city, how he kept trying to help people even as he got more and more unhinged. But I also felt that romancing him would be really bad for him, and that the best thing I could do for him was be his friend.

 

I don't get that feeling at all with Solas. He isn't...falling apart like Anders was. He's got this core of strength that won't crumble no matter how much sh*t he gets put through. But he's also very isolated. Anders' problems couldn't be fixed by having a group of friends who cared about him, but I think that's exactly what Solas needs. He won't reach out himself, but when Lavellan reaches out to him, he's like a drowning man clutching at a straw.

 

Blah, I really wish Solas had had more interaction with the Inquisitor and the rest of the cast.

 

My take on Anders / Solas:

 

Both see injustice and are willing to force change on an unprepared/unwilling society.

 

The key difference between the two is that there is no doubt Anders understood the direct consequences of his actions.  He was willing to take lives and kill innocents, arguing that the end justified the means.   Solas, on the other hand, whether by virtue of Pride or naivete about the nature of humanity (er, elves)  did not.   The depth of misery and destruction that followed in the wake of his actions took him entirely by surprise, and it he would not- given the choice - repeat them. If he could turn back time (and it couldn't be more clear how desperately he wants to) he would find another path.



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I wish there was a proper Mr T mohawk. I'd have my Lavellan covered in gold jewellery and pitying all the fools.


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Oooh, I'd give my Lavellan a mohawk if I could.  The shaved sides goes with the whole "living in the forest" look for the Dalish IMO.

 

It would be nice if there were some haircuts exclusive to the Inquisitor, so I don't feel like I'm sharing it with Generic Peasant #398



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Wah everyone's Lavellans are so pretty and I just can't even with mine. BSLDKFJ.



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[long awesome crackpot theory]  :D

 

I'll see you and raise you one.

 

What if Fen'Harel is one of Ghilan'nain's creations that she refused to destroy in secret?



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Jumping into the "did they/didn't they" discussion, I headcanon that they did.  At Halamshiral he seems so relaxed and effortless with your Quizzie; he's not hiding anything - he's happy (and maybe a little drunk), he's physically affectionate with Lavellan for the first time outside a kiss scene, and he wants to dance with you in front of all the peoples.  I don't know, but to me that speaks of an intimacy born of sweet, sweet sexytimes.

 

Also, in one of the angry dialogue options during the break up where your Quizzie says "tell me I was some casual dalliance" the specific word 'dalliance' is rather loaded.  More often than not it's used in reference to a sexual indiscretion, so this plus all the other hints (Sera, bartender, "side benefit" comment) lead my brain towards confirmation of sexytimes.  

 

But as others have indicated, it is open to interpretation and that is great for those uncomfortable with the 'love em, leave em' aspect.  Solas, Dorian & Josephine are the only LIs where sex isn't mandatory, as far as I know.


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Jumping into the "did they/didn't they" discussion, I headcanon that they did.  At Halamshiral he seems so relaxed and effortless with your Quizzie; he's not hiding anything - he's happy (and maybe a little drunk), he's physically affectionate with Lavellan for the first time outside a kiss scene, and he wants to dance with you in front of all the peoples.  I don't know, but to me that speaks of an intimacy born of sweet, sweet sexytimes.

 

Also, in one of the angry dialogue options during the break up where your Quizzie says "tell me I was some casual dalliance" the specific word 'dalliance' is rather loaded.  More often than not it's used in reference to a sexual indiscretion, so this plus all the other hints (Sera, bartender, "side benefit" comment) lead my brain towards confirmation of sexytimes.  

 

But as others have indicated, it is open to interpretation and that is great for those uncomfortable with the 'love em, leave em' aspect.  Solas, Dorian & Josephine are the only LIs where sex isn't mandatory, as far as I know.

 

Might knock Dorian off that list. Unless he's just trying to grace the Quizzy's room with something to make it worth visiting for. Spoiler because hmmmm perkiness.

 

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I'll see you and raise you one.

 

What if Fen'Harel is one of Ghilan'nain's creations that she refused to destroy in secret?

 

Whoa.   I fold!   I'm not sure I can get on board, since the creatures Ghilan'nain is credited with seem to be the "normal" animals we find around Thedas.  Well.  As normal and fluffy as things like dragons can be, I suppose.   The towering, black, many-eyed Dread Wolf, on the other hand, feels more like a primeval force: more primordial and monstrous.

 

Still an interesting idea, though.  @w@


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Off topic, I'm kind of surprised at the moment...

 

I'm late to the party, but I didn't know you were forced to kill

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Might knock Dorian off that list. Unless he's just trying to grace the Quizzy's room with something to make it worth visiting for. Spoiler because hmmmm perkiness.

 

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Yea, but there is an option to not have sex with him though?  If you say he's moving too fast he'll slow it down and as far as I know there isn't a follow up sex scene.



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Oooh, I'd give my Lavellan a mohawk if I could.  The shaved sides goes with the whole "living in the forest" look for the Dalish IMO.

 

It would be nice if there were some haircuts exclusive to the Inquisitor, so I don't feel like I'm sharing it with Generic Peasant #398

Yeah. I haven't seen a ton of NPCs with my Inquisitor's hairstyle, but the one that Dagna has is available in the CC.

 

And I'm hoping for a black emporium mirror-style DLC as well. And face codes. I'm really happy with my Inquisitor, but I want to be able to tweak her if I get rid of the vallaslin for my canon run. I'm leaning towards keeping them, though. Both because they look gorgeous and because it fits her character (symbols can change, we can make new meanings).

 

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Yeah. I haven't seen a ton of NPCs with my Inquisitor's hairstyle, but the one that Dagna has is available in the CC.

 

And I'm hoping for a black emporium mirror-style DLC as well. And face codes. I'm really happy with my Inquisitor, but I want to be able to tweak her if I get rid of the vallaslin for my canon run. I'm leaning towards keeping them, though. Both because they look gorgeous and because it fits her character (symbols can change, we can make new meanings).

 

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Such a lovely Lavellan :)

 

Heh, I get rid of the vallaslin for bad reasons- I just like the scene a lot and the intimacy of it all.