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Had a weird and entirely unlikely thought:

 

What if we do get post-campaign DLC and Solas needs the Anchor?  If you drank the Well, he compels you (whether he intends to or not) to aid him.  If not, he manages another method to take the Anchor.

 

The Inquisitor is left depowered at the end, only to return as the protagonist of DA4, starting at where he or she began--but with more life experience.

 

It's not likely we'd see a returning protagonist, but that's one way they could manage it without it seeming strange we were having to start over again.  Also, without the mark, few people would recognize you as the Inquisitor.  Even those who did might think it meant you'd lost the Maker's favor, etc.  So you no longer have an army at your back (assuming you make it home to Skyhold in time to avoid someone else being named Inquisitor).

 

Not really sure it's possible. Corypheus himself can't remove the Anchor even with the help of of the artifact that created it, and the "Divine" in the Fade tells IQ that the Anchor can't be removed without his/her death.

 

Not to say that there doesn't exist any way to remove the Anchor, but so far they establish it as being impossible.

 

Therefore the only way for IQ to return in future game AFTER Anchor's removal would likely be... a reincarnation :P

(since it seems that in world of Thedas that's actually kinda possible).


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Had a weird and entirely unlikely thought:

 

What if we do get post-campaign DLC and Solas needs the Anchor?  If you drank the Well, he compels you (whether he intends to or not) to aid him.  If not, he manages another method to take the Anchor.

 

The Inquisitor is left depowered at the end, only to return as the protagonist of DA4, starting at where he or she began--but with more life experience.

 

It's not likely we'd see a returning protagonist, but that's one way they could manage it without it seeming strange we were having to start over again.  Also, without the mark, few people would recognize you as the Inquisitor.  Even those who did might think it meant you'd lost the Maker's favor, etc.  So you no longer have an army at your back (assuming you make it home to Skyhold in time to avoid someone else being named Inquisitor).

 

Seems unlikely, but I'd be down for that. What if we could get the choice: start over or remain with the Inquisition. Or it is an outcome determined by previous choices. That way you can start with an entirely new protagonist in  DA4 or your previous one. 

 

Knowing myself, I'll spend hours trying to make DA4 Lavellan look exactly like DAI Lavellan. 



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Therefore the only way for IQ to return in future game AFTER Anchor's removal would likely be... a reincarnation :P

(since it seems that in world of Thedas that's actually kinda possible).

 

Gods, no! It's already a bit too much for me with others doing it. Pick a body and stick with it, people! 



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Yeah but then that'd be automatic game-over or reload-before-you-did-that.

 

I almost wish we could do the way Chrono Trigger did back in the 1990s, and if something happens to the Inquisitor, we take over someone else in the party.  I can totally see Vivienne becoming the new Inquisitor (however much everyone else dislikes the idea).

I'm probably in minority with this but I would loooove to see our Inquisitor die. This would be the perfect ending both for me and Bioware (getting rid of former PC and shutting fans up)...and for Solas. There would be nothing holding him back anymore. Moreover it would make him even more stubborn with his plan after facing another great loss. I would be pleased to see his darker side in the future, how he could be...IF PUSHED :ph34r: . You know what would be even better? If he would actually be the cause of her/his death. I like to imagine Solas actually still needs the Anchor, it's full power and using it may kill the Inquisitor. But it won't happen it's just too melodamatic and so sad that even Patrick Weeks would't dare.... :P



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Not really sure it's possible. Corypheus himself can't remove the Anchor even with the help of of the artifact that created it, and the "Divine" in the Fade tells IQ that the Anchor can't be removed without his/her death.

 

Not to say that there doesn't exist any way to remove the Anchor, but so far they establish it as being impossible.

 

Therefore the only way for IQ to return in future game AFTER Anchor's removal would likely be... a reincarnation :P

(since it seems that in world of Thedas that's actually kinda possible).

 

Yeah, I know.  Solas himself tells you it's part of you now--but the reason for that is likely less because you used the Anchor and more because Solas was magically poking it to attach to you.  It's his power, after all.  And that's precisely why I suspect that he could remove it, if he needs to.

 

Seems unlikely, but I'd be down for that. What if we could get the choice: start over or remain with the Inquisition. Or it is an outcome determined by previous choices. That way you can start with an entirely new protagonist in  DA4 or your previous one. 

 

Knowing myself, I'll spend hours trying to make DA4 Lavellan look exactly like DAI Lavellan. 

 

Would love to say they'd allow importing appearance, but they probably won't.  THen again I'm pretty sure we'll be playing new protagonists (and by pretty sure, I mean something like 99.99999999%).

 

Also, someone linked me to these:  (Note:  Links are relevant to The Descent DLC, so while they are from another game, you may want to avoid until you played it.)

 

 

It's been a long time since I played DA2 and I never played its DLC.  So those are new to me.  However, they could definitely be relevant to things post-Descent.

 

And they are Solas-relevant, considering what the entries are about, precisely... you might find it interesting.  It has... implications.



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Had a weird and entirely unlikely thought:

 

What if we do get post-campaign DLC and Solas needs the Anchor?  If you drank the Well, he compels you (whether he intends to or not) to aid him.  If not, he manages another method to take the Anchor.

 

The Inquisitor is left depowered at the end, only to return as the protagonist of DA4, starting at where he or she began--but with more life experience.

 

It's not likely we'd see a returning protagonist, but that's one way they could manage it without it seeming strange we were having to start over again.  Also, without the mark, few people would recognize you as the Inquisitor.  Even those who did might think it meant you'd lost the Maker's favor, etc.  So you no longer have an army at your back (assuming you make it home to Skyhold in time to avoid someone else being named Inquisitor).

I don't think people would dump the Inquisitor like that. Besides the Anchor is not the thing which makes her/him powerful. It's just an addition and if all the rifts are closed may not be useful any longer. With the Anchor or without people still need their Inquisitor and our protagonist proved them he/she is the best person for this position.



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I don't think people would dump the Inquisitor like that. Besides the Anchor is not the thing which make her/him powerful. It's just an addition and if all the rifts are closed may not be useful. With the Anchor or without people still need their Inquisitor and our protagonist proved them he/she is the best person for this position.

 

Well, let's face it - proving that Inquisitors aren't defined by an Anchor and being good at...um, Inquisitoring was pretty much the goal of the game :P Or, you know, we can mess this up as well, turning our companions away, making wrong or questionable decisions and so on...



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I don't think people would dump the Inquisitor like that. Besides the Anchor is not the thing which makes her/him powerful. It's just an addition and if all the rifts are closed may not be useful any longer. With the Anchor or without people still need their Inquisitor and our protagonist proved them he/she is the best person for this position.

 

The basic person who never met you in person would likely not believe you're really the Inquisitor without the mark.  Others see you as a holy figure in part because of the mark and your ability to seal rifts.  Even if you are an excellent leader, you'd lose a lot of followers.



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Well, let's face it - proving that Inquisitors aren't defined by an Anchor and being good at...um, Inquisitoring was pretty much the goal of the game :P Or, you know, we can mess this up as well, turning our companions away, making wrong or questionable decisions and so on...


Even if IQ proves themselves... It's the Game. It's not about who's most honorable and capable, it's a struggle for power, and the Inquisitor will stand in the way of at least some. Once all the rifts are closed, all those noble allies who were desperate can soon realize the Inquisition does not have any real power. It is only then that the real struggle begins to make the Inquisition last.

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Even if IQ proves themselves... It's the Game. It's not about who's most honorable and capable, it's a struggle for power, and the Inquisitor will stand in the way of at least some. Once all the rifts are closed, all those noble allies who were desperate can soon realize the Inquisition does not have any real power. It is only then that the real struggle begins to make the Inquisition last.

Perhaps you're all right. Making their own puppet-Inquisitor is the best option for them. Wow, now I imagine how interesting it would be if we could face it in game  ;)


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Perhaps you're all right. Making their own puppet-Inquisitor is the best option for them. Wow, now I imagine how interesting it would be if we could face it in game ;)


That'd be... interesting. How will your inkys react if they face an impostor?

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That'd be... interesting. How will your inkys react if they face an impostor?

 


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Even if IQ proves themselves... It's the Game. It's not about who's most honorable and capable, it's a struggle for power, and the Inquisitor will stand in the way of at least some. Once all the rifts are closed, all those noble allies who were desperate can soon realize the Inquisition does not have any real power. It is only then that the real struggle begins to make the Inquisition last.

 

I never described 'being good at Inquisitoring' as being all about being 'most honorable' or capable in terms of leadership - it also involves being shrewd (that's what Solas oftentimes approves of) and making alliances with kingdoms or nobles and making enough impression on people in order to last longer than Corypheus :P

 

I mean, there's no question that Inquisitor will lose favors or may be seen as rival or a threat, but it's not like nothing can't be done to mitigate it.

 

We CAN after all tighten relations and make deals throughout game, recruit agents, use our diplomacy, army or spies and charm people, like we did in Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts, when we gain enough court approval that it directly affects the outcome of our epilogues.


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I never described 'being good at Inquisitoring' as being all about being 'most honorable' or capable in terms of leadership - it also involves being shrewd (that's what Solas oftentimes approves of) and making alliances with kingdoms or nobles and making enough impression on people in order to last longer than Corypheus :P

I mean, there's no question that Inquisitor will lose favors or may be seen as rival or a threat, but it's not like nothing can't be done to mitigate it.

We CAN after all tighten relations and make deals throughout game, recruit agents, use our diplomacy, army or spies and charm people, like we did in Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts, when we gain enough court approval that it directly affects the outcome of our epilogues.


I get that and I agree, I was just extending your point. Yes, they can do things to prove themselves throughout the game, and succeeding at those things is like the minimal condition that won't get you kicked out of a position of power by the end of the game. But after that, you've leveled up and have to start proving yourself all over again.

BTW, let's assume the next dlc resolves things with Solas... What do you see as the function of the Inquisition in the future?

I think they could act as an arbiter whenever there are conflicts between the Chantry and the nobles, as well as between the Chantry and mages. Also, if they take control of the lyrium trade (on the buyer's side) south of Tevinter, they could essentially exert an influence on both mages and templars to prevent any future conflict.

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Art break.

 

Kissing in the fog.

 

Solas and Lavellan looking into each other's eyes.

 

Adorable Solavellan art giveaway prize by EnaShepard/sihaofskyhold^_^

 

And sihaofskyhold's adorable sketches of her Solavellan family. <3

 

Touch all the things! xD

 

Solas tells deedylovescake to stop drawing him and to go do her work. :lol:

 

Sketch of Shartan/Solas.

 

Solas sketches.

 

Inner Circle and Advisors.

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BTW, let's assume the next dlc resolves things with Solas... What do you see as the function of the Inquisition in the future?

I think they could act as an arbiter whenever there are conflicts between the Chantry and the nobles, as well as between the Chantry and mages. Also, if they take control of the lyrium trade (on the buyer's side) south of Tevinter, they could essentially exert an influence on both mages and templars to prevent any future conflict.

 

If the leaked survey from a few months ago speaks anything that's true, then we know that during that adventure, we're supposed to decide the final fate of Inquisition (though I assume that a lot of our previous decision may influence this as well).

 

Anyway, arbiter function is plausible - I mean, even during DAI Inquisition was basically recognized as one, especially after Haven and reaching Skyhold. Otherwise many war table missions or Inquisitor's judgments would be impossible. Nobody would also turn to Inquistion for help (like dwarves did in Descent, for example).

 

Though I do remember that some devs described DAI as basically building an empire so... that's possible too? Uniting the South under one banner in order to save itself from the threat that is the Qunari Invasion, or else???

 

What I'm curious about is what would happen if things go WRONG, or at least that Inquisitor wasn't really that good at this whole 'inquisitoring' thing?

I mean, in case of capable (befriended or romanced) Inquisitors we can suspect that IQ may be torn between staying with Inquisition and perhaps venturing somewhere with Solas (someone else? Alone?) to find out about mysteries of the past/Fade/ancient threats... I wonder what (or IF) anything would happen to Assquisitors or Meh-quisitors?


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If the leaked survey from a few months ago speaks anything that's true, then we know that during that adventure, we're supposed to decide the final fate of Inquisition (though I assume that a lot of our previous decision may influence this as well).

Anyway, arbiter function is plausible - I mean, even during DAI Inquisition was basically recognized as one, especially after Haven and reaching Skyhold. Otherwise many war table missions or Inquisitor's judgments would be impossible. Nobody would also turn to Inquistion for help (like dwarves did in Descent, for example).

Though I do remember that some devs described DAI as basically building an empire so... that's possible too? Uniting the South under one banner in order to save itself from the threat that is the Qunari Invasion, or else???


I would love it if the Inquisitor unites the South. I doubt that we'll see it in game, but that's how I would want the story to continue. And instead of the Qunari, I would have them go against Tevinter.

The lyrium thing I said earlier: There's this banter between Varric and Solas where Solas says that dwarves control the flow of lyrium and could use that to demand help from the humans our sovereign land on the surface. The first time I heard it, I thought: "Damn, why is the Inquisition not trying to seize control of lyrium? Why don't they offer help to the dwarves in exchange for favorable trade agreements? They could essentially control all magic in Thedas." Back then, the Inquisition had more pressing things, but by the end of the game they have both the time and the power.

Tevinter must be very dependent on lyrium. If the Inquisition seizes the trade, they could significantly weaken them, and use either pure economic/political pressure our attack. It could put the Imperium under the control of the South. It could also end slavery.

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I would love it if the Inquisitor unites the South. I doubt that we'll see it in game, but that's how I would want the story to continue. And instead of the Qunari, I would have them go against Tevinter.

The lyrium thing I said earlier: There's this banter between Varric and Solas where Solas says that dwarves control the flow of lyrium and could use that to demand help from the humans our sovereign land on the surface. The first time I heard it, I thought: "Damn, why is the Inquisition not trying to seize control of lyrium? Why don't they offer help to the dwarves in exchange for favorable trade agreements? They could essentially control all magic in Thedas." Back then, the Inquisition had more pressing things, but by the end of the game they have both the time and the power.

Tevinter must be very dependent on lyrium. If the Inquisition seizes the trade, they could significantly weaken them, and use either pure economic/political pressure our attack. It could put the Imperium under the control of the South. It could also end slavery.

 

Without lyrium, Tevinter would just turn to its old standby:  blood magic.  Many slaves would be sacrificed.

 

They wouldn't be crippled by lack of lyrium.  It might weaken them, for a time, but they have blood magic basically everywhere, and a willingness to sacrifice slaves, even "well-treated" ones, as evidenced by various codex entries.  Taking down Tevinter might require still more cooperation.  Freeing the slaves would also be a monumental effort--even after defeating and conquering Tevinter, you'd be battling centuries' worth of cultural and economic dependence on those slaves.  It's a worthy cause, but not easily achieved.


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What I'm curious about is what would happen if things go WRONG, or at least that Inquisitor wasn't really that good at this whole 'inquisitoring' thing?

I mean, in case of capable (befriended or romanced) Inquisitors we can suspect that IQ may be torn between staying with Inquisition and perhaps venturing somewhere with Solas (someone else? Alone?) to find out about mysteries of the past/Fade/ancient threats... I wonder what (or IF) anything would happen to Assquisitors or Meh-quisitors?

Probably,  however wonderful your Inquisitor have been before it wouldn't make any difference. Leaving with Solas, once his actions have been revealed would be considered as betrayal. 



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What I'm curious about is what would happen if things go WRONG, or at least that Inquisitor wasn't really that good at this whole 'inquisitoring' thing?

I mean, in case of capable (befriended or romanced) Inquisitors we can suspect that IQ may be torn between staying with Inquisition and perhaps venturing somewhere with Solas (someone else? Alone?) to find out about mysteries of the past/Fade/ancient threats... I wonder what (or IF) anything would happen to Assquisitors or Meh-quisitors?


It's hard to think of anything that does not change the world state in a major way but ends up costing the Inquisitor.

Like other bad/unpopular rulers, they can be overthrown. They could be failing to solve whatever issue comes up in the dlc (maybe they can't drive back the Qunari our catch the Dread Wolf), and it seems the world is doomed. Then, as a desperate measure members of the Inquisition revolt and the Inquisitor is assassinated. Cullen, Leliana, or Cassandra take over (it could be different who does depending on world states) and manage to save the day.

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Brass_Buckles, on 16 Aug 2015 - 07:57 AM, said:

Without lyrium, Tevinter would just turn to its old standby:  blood magic.  Many slaves would be sacrificed.

 

They wouldn't be crippled by lack of lyrium.  It might weaken them, for a time, but they have blood magic basically everywhere, and a willingness to sacrifice slaves, even "well-treated" ones, as evidenced by various codex entries.  Taking down Tevinter might require still more cooperation.  Freeing the slaves would also be a monumental effort--even after defeating and conquering Tevinter, you'd be battling centuries' worth of cultural and economic dependence on those slaves.  It's a worthy cause, but not easily achieved.

This would be just perfect excuse for 'bringing democracy' to Tevinter  ;)



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Without lyrium, Tevinter would just turn to its old standby: blood magic. Many slaves would be sacrificed.

They wouldn't be crippled by lack of lyrium. It might weaken them, for a time, but they have blood magic basically everywhere, and a willingness to sacrifice slaves, even "well-treated" ones, as evidenced by various codex entries. Taking down Tevinter might require still more cooperation. Freeing the slaves would also be a monumental effort--even after defeating and conquering Tevinter, you'd be battling centuries' worth of cultural and economic dependence on those slaves. It's a worthy cause, but not easily achieved.


Weakening them for a time could be just enough time. And yes, they would probably resort to blood magic and there would be casualties, but one could argue the end justifies the means (you don't have to agree on that, it's more of a question to be posed by the story).

I also wonder if blood magic can really be an equivalent replacement to lyrium. From Solas we know it somehow weakens one's connection to the fade, so there are already some differences between what you can achieve with one medium and the other. From what I know, I can't determine if lyrium is more or less powerful than blood magic (but there's a huge chunk of previous game lore I'm not very familiar with). Also there must be a reason lyrium is the more widely used substance even in Tevinter. I think even though "magic is magic", it seems some spells are better done with lyrium while others require blood magic.

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What we definitely do know is that Solas is deeply in love with a romanced Lavellan, and that appears to be an exclusive relationship.  Therefore, his past romances shouldn't really matter that much to us.  Maybe Lavellan means more to him than anyone else ever did.  Maybe not.  That doesn't matter, because what they had was real, as Solas himself declares.

 


 

 

I also wonder if blood magic can really be an equivalent replacement to lyrium. From Solas we know it somehow weakens one's connection to the fade, so there are already some differences between what you can achieve with one medium and the other. From what I know, I can't determine if lyrium is more or less powerful than blood magic (but there's a huge chunk of previous game lore I'm not very familiar with). Also there must be a reason lyrium is the more widely used substance even in Tevinter. I think even though "magic is magic", it seems some spells are better done with lyrium while others require blood magic.

 

Magic is power and power needs to have a source. In Thedas, there are currently 3 known sources of magic. Fade, Blood and Taint.

 

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(Sorry for quoting something from months ago, here's another link if the picture no longer works: http://i.imgur.com/V8hikuu.jpg) I've been curious as to whether anyone found the location of this? The design seems too similar to be a coincidence..

 

So I got my 'Art of Dragon Age Inquisition' book and I ran across a drawing of a carpet in Winter Palace...

 

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It's could be meaningless, but still? It's a rather big carpet, once I get to the Winter Palace I'll try to find out where it is...

What do you think that these 4 dots mean (in the center of each circle)? only the bottom left circle has those dots in Solas' card.

 

Also while I'm here, I noticed this in the temple of Mythal:

 

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Off-topic question:

 

If anyone else is using the Cheat Engine banter trigger, does it work for you in the Descent?  No luck for me so far.  I did just upgrade to Windows 10; that might be messing up CE.