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[Awkward Octopus]

Honestly, thinking about it more, I don't think it's the fact that he's not a LI option for my PC that's disappointing. In fact, I rarely pursue any of the BioWare romances (I suppose I was looking forward to one that actually interested me, though).

 

I'm disappointed by the fact that now it's probable I'll miss out on some of his content. Who he is as a character. I think he's super interesting, but I imagine they probably save a facet or two for the romance arc that other PCs will never see.

 

I'm super ok with a platonic friendship, but I hope that it can be close. Like how Hawke and Varric are bros. The way I usually like to play my characters, plus the fact that I want to play a Dalish mage, just makes me feel like my PC and Solas would get along really well.

 

So now I'm imagining how that might go, if it's a thing. I'm intrigued by the idea of a mentor figure. Someone who breaks down previous beliefs to teach new ones (Ok, the way I wrote that sounds insidious, but that's not how I mean it...).

 

Hoping he's not a villain though. I don't think I'm up for that yet again. And frankly, he's the probably most obvious choice for the "traitor" role and from a writing perspective, that would be kind of meh. I suppose there could be ways for it to be interesting. Like, if he ends up a reluctant mid-boss that we would have to defeat and then could be convinced to join us for reals, that could be fun. Not exactly original, but fun. Just so long as there's a way to influence him (unlike Anders, where there was nothing you could do about it).

[CARPOOL]

/breathes
Okay, I think I took some time to think about this so I'm going to post my thoughts. (But they're still not perfected and I'll need a few more days to say this)

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I'm glad Solas is a LI. That I am very excited about. We all said our compromises before. 'I don't care if I have to be X race' or 'I don't care if he's for males only or females only' Such and such words so long as he's a LI. Well, we got our wish with limitations attached.

Where my uncertainty lies is that many here were hopeful he wouldn't be race-gated or gender-gated because of how he was presented to us. Yeah, there's that whole 'doesn't want to be seen as just an elf' thing that can be taken in all different directions, but I can't help but admit I projected my own thoughts about his personality upon him. I thought because he was a 'thinker' he would not judge a person based on their appearance, but their personality. And I think, perhaps I'm not the only one. We did have many express their trials and tribulations concerning gender and romance and I'm making very sweeping generalizations, but I'm quite tired. Long story short, he seemed to be a great representation of us introverts who had a whole array of identities and preferences... ergh... I'm losing my train of thought.... It's kinda like... I read something about how people were upset Ubisoft ditched Connor after AC3 for another white dude because he wasn't just Native American representation, but a representation of people of color in games. Minorities who lack representation...

I guess what I'm really REALLY trying to get at is many were hopeful because we had projected our own opinions of the character upon him before he was presented to us as a whole character. And I'm sad because I wanted this waiting game to have a 'happy ending' for many of us. I'm not too concerned about why this choice was made story-line wise, because I'd like to have faith in the writers. I'm simply sad because of what was stated above.

And that was some really REALLY bad rambling... I'm tired. I'll get this better figured out later.
BUT HAPPY HAPPY SOLAS ROMANCE EVERYONE!

[Ellana Lavellan]

So I was at DragonCon and wasn't able to respond for awhile, then I tried to just read through all those pages...but I wound up skipping a lot once it go to the arguing....so ummm....sorry this is a super late response peeps. 

 

Oh and I got new, prettier elf ears at DragonCon and I'm kinda wearing them right now and I feel all fancy    My old ones were really old....and gross from the glue....   

 

Still on my phone so can't quote (or like!) posts, but Phate and Elsie, I feel you guys xD

If I can't romance Cullen with a qunari, I'll probably swap her out for a human mage...unless he's gated against mages :s

As for Solas and my suddenly Dalish inquisitor -- Elsie, that's how I'm thinking as well. Mine is going to be SUCH an Ariel type and is actually more interested in going to the summit to see other cultures in action rather than her spying mission Because she wants to be part of their wooooorld, lmao.

Since they're not making the human inquisitors be pro-Andrastian I'm hoping that means we won't be forced to be hugely pro-Dalish as an elf.

Eep! I love this! Cute, that'll be like mine too  My quizzie (just switching her from Trevelyan to Lavellan even though the name isn't exactly 'elfy') is named Elspeth, goes by Elsie (that's the reason behind the username  ). But anyways Elsie will be so excited, and slightly terrified and super anxious because people, to go see the conclave because sooooo many different people will be there. She'll try to learn as much as she possibly can about all the different people while she's there, and it will probably overwhelm her quite a bit.

 

Do eeeeet I'm going with a warrior (not sure if 2-handed or sword and board yet), but a mage would have further incentive to stick around because she doesn't have another safe place to learn about magic.  Human mage was my original plan but she'll have to creep on Cullen (edit: or another of the amazing LIs, such choice much wow) some time down the road because I adore the mage boy/tough girl duo and want Solas to have a bad ass warrior girlfriend 

 

 

Hehe, a shem-hating Dalish could be fun to roleplay!  My issue is that my first playthrough is almost always a sort of self insert because I think it's fun to see how the choices I'd personally make would fit into the fantasy universe   I'll explore other ideas in future playthroughs, I'm sure.

Oooooh! I totally adore this idea. Like really, that is perfection. That'll most likely be my baby First's reasoning for staying with the clan, aside from family and friends.

 

Figured out how to quote on my phone!

OMG I'm in such a conundrum now (and it's actually a GOOD conundrum, I think this elf only business might be broadening my horizons, lmao). I too love the mage dude/badass girlfriend combo so sword and board may ultimately be what I go for (especially since warrior looks way more fun this time round). But then your idea about a mage sticking around because it's the safest place for her to learn is ALSO awesome... Now I'm starting to picture my little elven First as making all these plans to modernise her clan when she becomes Keeper, and then the Fade s**** hits the fan and all her plans go awry, lol. But she gets a boyfriend out of it so it's not all bad, lmao.

I really like this, the whole modernizing of the clan plan is really interesting :3

 

Traditionalist Dalish don't necessarily hate shemlen; the Dalish in general are wary of shemlen in Andrastian lands due to the fact that shemlen are a threat to them, from human lords driving them off their land when they stay too long to templars pursuing mages in the clan. We meet Dalish characters like Lanaya, Cammen, Elora, Athras, and Deygan who aren't outright hostile to a non-elven protagonist, to name just a few. Even Danyla's daughter can be convinced to back down from killing the human who attacked her mother by saying she wouldn't want this - so I'm not seeing why people think that Dalish automatically means that you hate shemlen when this isn't the case. There's actually supposed to be a semi-permanent colony of Dalish living near a Rivaini settlement where the humans follow the Natural Order, and the humans are encouraged to purchase elven goods.

 

Traditionalist would be more about viewing all spirits as dangerous (and not adhering to the Andrastian distinctions of Spirits and Demons), or along those lines. Which may likely conflict with Soris' own views of spirits and the Beyond, since he seems to have formulated his own views in contrast to what Dalish and Andrastians believe.

Oh I didn't mean Dalish in the game exactly. I just meant it seems to be that a lot of the Dalish I hear people have played or plan on playing are shem-haters and are a bit strict in the 'I hate anything not Dalish' department. It's probably mostly from fanfiction I've read. 

 

I know not all Dalish hate humans or anything, a lot of them are very distrustful of them though. I think one of the main reasons they weren't completely hostile to a human warden was because they were a Grey Warden, and they seem to be on okay-ish terms with the wardens. Especially since the last warden hero was Dalish....or at least one of them, I think he was from the fourth blight. The clan in TME definitely was hostile to humans, and Merrill's clan didn't like Hawke all that much as far as I can remember...which isn't much XD There are of course a lot of exceptions and I think it mostly depends on the circumstances.

I don't know if I worded any of that right, sorry if that doesn't make sense lol

 

Hearing all these delicious head canons is totally firing my imagination for my Lavellan, and I'm preeeetty sure idealistic, brainy, Ariel-esque Dalish mage is a go

Fialka, I love your ideas for your inquisitor, she sounds adorable And Ispan, thank you friend from me as well because her ideas have helped me a TON 

Eeeeeee! So cute! So totally happening. I am so excited for my Lavellan now! Like really. These ideas have made me think about her so much more and how I want her to be, and it'll be great.  

 

Edit: The thing just told me I had too many emoticons in the message....I didn't know that was a thing lol

[RynJ]

I think my problem is is that we're still recovering for yesterday's news. I'm fine with people having opinions, they can say whatever they want, but I think it's personally kind of cruel to jump in when emotions are so raw right now. They could at least give us some time, you know? I think it's only natural to feel upset when people are calling out a character you enjoy for being a racist or homophobe as some have, so I don't really see it as a defense squad xD I think in a few days it'll be just fine though. The Cullen thread rebounded nicely, so I think ours most definitely will too But yes, people are entitled to say whatever they want.

BUT. I keep forgetting there's an ignore function, so at least for me I'm just going to start using it for my own peace of mind and so I just don't get so aggravated at people. Sorry about that y'all!

 

I feel you, I really do. It's frustrating. I just don't like to see you guys get upset while arguing with brick walls that won't be moved. Sometimes people suck and just want to antagonize the thread. Some people are just upset at this news and are venting and will probably calm down soon.

 

@CARPOOL: I agree with your thoughts completely. I think it wasn't so much that we expected anything as that some people got attached to a certain view of Solas based on the information we got. I was excited thinking he would be a character that would be in the middle of everything in every way because I thought it was so interesting. As in he was gender-blind and race-blind and everything in between. Him being straight and only preferring elves isn't a bad thing, it's just a heck of a lot less interesting to me than that former idea of his character. But if we're disappointed, I guess it was our fault for building up an idea in our heads. He's not a worse character when it comes to his morality just for having preferences, which I see a sad number of people argue, he's just a little less compelling to some, maybe? I don't know. That's how I feel, at least.

 

I still really enjoy what I know so far and am looking forward to the character, of course!

[AnimeLavellan]

Hmm.... *glances around *

 

*Throws in more Solas gifs*

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

Mmm   I love dat Solass

[llandwynwyn]

 You know, I have no proof to defend this theory at all, but somehow, I think Solas beware Masked Empire spoiler

Spoiler

might be related to the anonymous murderer of Felassan in the end of the Book. Felassan entering the Fade at will to discuss with someone else. Maybe not a demon, but another dreamer? Solas?

Could Solas have been trying to get the power of the Eluvians?

I know it is far fetched, yet I like the idea.

 

 EDIT, and yeah! His story is definitely NOT explaining his powers!

 

Yeah, we don't have enough infor so all we can do is speculate. I, too, think Solas' connected to what happened in the end of DAME. 

 

Spoiler

Perhaps, like Felassan, he's an agent for that person/being.

 

I don't believe he's going to be a villain, though.

Spoiler

Even if he works for the antagonist of DAI

[thecookiesuspectsnothing]

My only gripe with my dalish mage female, is I can't design her vallaslin yet. I want to draw her but need to see what's available in game. (And maybe what they mean somewhere on a blog perhaps devs? )

Hello again thread!

[Felya87]

I miss how this thread used to be 24 hours ago it was all peace and love and unicorns and BEES and now everyone is tearing each other and Solas a new one

 

I think many miss it...sigh, people, please! let's try to smile and return to the happy unicorn and rainbows tread!

 

Smiles are needed to make the happy tread restart!!!

 

 

Well I guess we now know why Solas was on "Team Crushed Expectations".

 

...yep...and it have a totally new meaning for me...Sera being female only, Solas only female elf (maybe this will make people play female elves more?) but Cole?

What can be crushed about with him? I love the guy...

[AnimeLavellan]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but...

 

 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider

Ah, yes. Evidently the rude comments were delayed. There we go. Way to maintain perspective, folks.

 

Looks like the news has finally sunk in for the rudeness to officially start.

[Kirie]

I feel you, I really do. It's frustrating. I just don't like to see you guys get upset while arguing with brick walls that won't be moved. Sometimes people suck and just want to antagonize the thread. Some people are just upset at this news and are venting and will probably calm down soon.

Definitely agreed. I apologize if I've been too aggressive in any of my posts!

I feel really bad for the Blackwall and Vivienne fans though. I feel like it's going to be really bad for their fans, no matter what the outcome :/ Somebody loses either way. We are at least able to get our news and hurt feelings out of the way earlier D: Ripping the bandaid off (accidentally for us lol) would have been the best course of action for everyone I think.

*hugs to everyone*

[LadyKarrakaz]

Yeah, we don't have enough infor so all we can do is speculate. I, too, think Solas' connected to what happened in the end of DAME. 

 

Spoiler

Perhaps, like Felassan, he's an agent for that person/being.

 

I don't believe he's going to be a villain, though.

Spoiler

Even if he works for the antagonist of DAI

 

Maybe the fact that he betrays you or not in the end will depend on the state of his relationship with the Quizzy (like Zevran or Fenris).

 

An agent then?

Spoiler

Probably of Fen Harel?

 

My only gripe with my dalish mage female, is I can't design her vallaslin yet. I want to draw her but need to see what's available in game. (And maybe what they mean somewhere on a blog perhaps devs? )

Hello again thread!

 Here for the meaning of the Vallaslins.

[scintilla]

 

I am out of likes but have a hug Solas thread.  A cuddly one.

 

Rynj is right about it being best not to engage but that can be hard when you're already feeling down and people are piling on the negativity or looking for an argument.

 

@CARPOOL: I think you're hit on one of the big sources of disappointment.  *extra hugs for you*

 

I wish they'd just given us all the LIs, their orientations, and their race-gates at once and early on.  Seems like it would have saved a lot of people a lot of unhappiness.

[franciscoamell]

Definitely agreed. I apologize if I've been too aggressive in any of my posts!

I feel really bad for the Blackwall and Vivienne fans though. I feel like it's going to be really bad for their fans, no matter what the outcome :/ Somebody loses either way. We are at least able to get our news and hurt feelings out of the way earlier D: Ripping the bandaid off (accidentally for us lol) would have been the best course of action for everyone I think.

*hugs to everyone*

Yeah if they just dumped all the romance info it'd be much easier for everyone. Hopefully that blog post or whatever is posted soon and sets everyone's minds at ease (or not XD).

[CARPOOL]

]@CARPOOL: I agree with your thoughts completely. I think it wasn't so much that we expected anything as that some people got attached to a certain view of Solas based on the information we got. I was excited thinking he would be a character that would be in the middle of everything in every way because I thought it was so interesting. As in he was gender-blind and race-blind and everything in between. Him being straight and only preferring elves isn't a bad thing, it's just a heck of a lot less interesting to me than that former idea of his character. But if we're disappointed, I guess it was our fault for building up an idea in our heads. He's not a worse character when it comes to his morality just for having preferences, which I see a sad number of people argue, he's just a little less compelling to some, maybe? I don't know. That's how I feel, at least.

 

I still really enjoy what I know so far and am looking forward to the character, of course!

Yes. Good. I love you. I'd hug you right now if I could. This is essentially what I'm trying to get at. 

I'm going to take our small gift (Solas) and run with it.

[manabloom]

Hmmm... You know, all this talk of Lavellans reminds me that I haven't actually planned mine because I didn't want to get attached to an impossible idea... I uh, guess now that I've gotten this huge green light though, I should get to that, huh?? 

 

I have two main ideas. Originally, I wanted my mage to be a pretty typical Dalish... but what would make her special is that she'd be the cousin of my Warden. I know BWare has said that there's no relations, but SO??? My Warden was always half Dalish, and why should Hawke be the only one with a cousin? Besides, my Surana martyred herself for the sake of elves and mages alike... I need someone to carry on her torch and finish what she started. 

 

However, my first file will no WAY go how I want it to. It's always a mess. So I thought, maybe I'll just make a rough draft and then build her properly later... Which had me trying to think of disposable ideas... Which led me to this one elf I had from the pen and paper DA RPG. She was a city elf apostate, and I really liked her a lot, but the game didn't last that long... so all that work I put into her was for naught.   So I got this idea to carry her into an actual game... maybe she'll have found some Dalish and joined up with them?? So I started plotting her as Lavellan (given the surname after becoming a proper member of the clan?) for the freedom of it... but now I kind of really like that idea, too...

 

WHO TO CHOOSE? HOW FOR THEM TO BEHAVE? Oh gods, I wasn't prepared to plan. Sudden anxiety, hahah.

[chibielf]

The big bad in the latest trailer, guy with the hood and glowy eyes, has Dalish markings on his face (wearing a hood so ears arnt viewable) So him being connect to Masked Empires Felassen (if not him) seems likely. Now whether or not Solas is caught in this mess is up to debate. Though I think him being involved would make some sense, being a dreamer and one who has witnessed events while sleepin in ruins.
Also, I think Solas might be more badass/nails. Look at his walk.. The man swaggers. Swaggers! He seems pretty confident.

All my opinion btw! I'm just brainstorming and throwing out ideas and stuffs. I'm so excited to learn more!

[Phate Phoenix]

 

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but...

 

 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider

Ah, yes. Evidently the rude comments were delayed. There we go. Way to maintain perspective, folks.

 

Looks like the news has finally sunk in for the rudeness to officially start.

 

 

Knew it was coming eventually. [SIGH] Well, we can still be positive!

 

Solas's ability to sense elven artifacts has me intrigued. Is there mention of a talent like that anywhere else in Dragon Age lore? I haven't read any of the supplemental materials, so the only thing I can think of is in Witch Hunt, where Finn had to use Ariane's blood to find the Lights of Arlathan.

[RynJ]

 

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but...

 

 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider

Ah, yes. Evidently the rude comments were delayed. There we go. Way to maintain perspective, folks.

 

Looks like the news has finally sunk in for the rudeness to officially start.

 

 

Everyone in this thread is like

 

 

It wasn't me! I had nothing to do with it!

[AnimeLavellan]

Maybe the fact that he betrays you or not in the end will depend on the state of his relationship with the Quizzy (like Zevran or Fenris).

 

An agent then?

Spoiler

Probably of Fen Harel?

 

 Here for the meaning of the Vallaslins.

 

My favourite is the simple version of Elgar'nan's design, the simple version of June's design, both the complex and simple version of Sylaise's design, and the complex and simple version of Ghilan'nan's design.

 

My Kridan Mahariel had the simple version of Elgar'nan's design and my Irayna Lavellan will have (if it's available) the complex version of Sylaise's design.

[Brass_Buckles]

Does anyone ever wonder if the reaction to Solas being heterosexual was so negative because we have been conditioned to expect elves to be either bisexual or gay?

 

So far every elf we've had (prior to Solas) wasn't heterosexual. In a way, he deviates from the typical "elf romance" trope. You know? Sorry to point this out, it just kinda dawned on me. I know people are upset, but I find it unique to have a heterosexual elf who is also a mage. Usually the straight ones are warrior humans (Cept for Morrigan and her mage-ness. heheh)

 

I don't think that's the reason at all.  It's more because people wanted equal numbers of options.  (Depending who is gated and how, if you factor in Iron Bull having been intended to be gated, well... it may have originally been the case--particularly if Cullen is gated.  Solas may have been available only because elven women might not have an option for a male romance otherwise.  We don't know.)

 

Hah, words from my mouth. The only times Fenris was friendzoned, were when I was playing male Hawkes, who tried to romance Anders or Merrill. But somehow Hawke's LIs in these playthroughs ended up on a bench, and I've been running around in the company of Fenris and Isabela (I adore their relationship, too). 

 

I really hope that the reason of gating is not breeding. I won't romance Solas on principle, then. Not that I'm against babies, but I don't want it to be his reason for falling for my Inquisitor.

 

I repeat, most straight people don't go into a relationship specifically to breed with that person.  Why would Solas?  It might come up in mention after the fact, but we know there won't be marriage or kids even in the ending, so if it's a factor at all it will probably be a very minor one.

 

 

[DA]: In addition to dealing with the world’s perception of mages, he’s also elven. How does he deal with that much adversity?

[PW]: Honestly, Solas hates people who look at him and just see an elf. He considers that kind of attitude part of the black-and-white dichotomy that has led to so much tragedy in theDragon Age world. Templars versus mages, demons versus spirits, elves versus humans… it’s more complicated than that. Come to think of it, “It’s more complicated than that,” may actually be Solas’s battle cry.

 

And yet he has no problem with himself having that mindset. Hypocrite. 

 

 

Or, maybe, just maybe, there are other reasons that he'd only be into elves.  He's straight because he's straight (the writers chose to do this for reasons unknown to me; however I speculate that it means the final gated romance is Cullen and, had Iron Bull also remained gated, straight female elves would have ended up lonely).  Even if he were only attracted to elves, that would be a good enough reason.  More likely it's something tied into story, lore, etc.  It doesn't mean he's dismissing others out of hand because they aren't elves, only that he's not into them romantically.  That's not hypocritical at all.  He can still be friends, confidantes, etc. with other races.

 

It isn't narrow-minded for an elf to want to have elven children, since it's impossible to have children with anyone outside his species.


If he wants to have children one day, I doubt he'll have an adverse reaction to an elven woman leading the Inquisition whom he isn't romantically involved with.


There's no true parallel to human racism over ethic differences when you're taking about two different (albeit fictional) species co-habitating the same continent.

 

 

Correction, Solas could have children with a non-elf, but they wouldn't be elven children.  I don't think it's selfish or narrow-minded not to want your species to die out, though.

 

I don't believe it's about having kids or not though--and I don't think Solas is going to be heartbroken if the Inquisitor won't romance him.  As others mentioned he doesn't seem that bothered by romance, or people in general.

 

And yes, I agree--human races aren't the same as races in Thedas, which are effectively different species.  They still have ethnic groups--Anders, Fereldan, Rivaini, Tevinter, etc.

 

It may very well be problematic that Solas was written as restrictively as he was, but if I turn out to be right about Cullen being race-gated, well... it will make a whole lot more sense then, taking into account that Iron Bull was going to be.

 

Blah.  I liked this thread much more when people were less gloom-and-doom and were not hating on Solas...

[jellobell]

Hmmm, I haven't thought much about what my Dalish is gonna be like. I had originally planned an elf mage for Bull, but not much beyond that. I like contrast in my romances, so I think my Lavellan is going to be an extrovert; very fun-loving, hard-drinking, and sarcastic. She'll get along famously with Sera.

[Phate Phoenix]

Everyone in this thread is like

 

 

It wasn't me! I had nothing to do with it!

 

[SNICKERS] I have a hard enough time tweeting positive things at the Devs. I'd either have to be super-blackout-drunk to tweet even minor negative things at someone, or possessed.

[AnimeLavellan]

Can't remember where I found this but...

 

Spoiler

 

 

XD

[LadyKarrakaz]

Knew it was coming eventually. [SIGH] Well, we can still be positive!

 

Solas's ability to sense elven artifacts has me intrigued. Is there mention of a talent like that anywhere else in Dragon Age lore? I haven't read any of the supplemental materials, so the only thing I can think of is in Witch Hunt, where Finn had to use Ariane's blood to find the Lights of Arlathan.

 

I have read the books and the comics. Can't remember any equivalent to this power except Flynn's ritual powered by Ariane's blood.  It's very intriguing.

[thats1evildude]

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider
Ah, yes. Evidently the rude comments were delayed. There we go. Way to maintain perspective, folks.

People should be pissed! I can't believe there's no ghast character in MP!