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[scintilla]

 

Yeah... I just don't see this. Maybe you can explain why you think they'd be opposed to much of anyone, let all of Thedas.

 

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I think it's probably because there is a lot of foreshadowing in dialogue where he says things like "no matter the cost." I don't think the idea of a cost would come up repeatedly if what he was planning wasn't going to have one. You're assuming it will be small, some of us are assuming it could be world breaking. Given that Solas giving the orb to Corypheus was world breaking, we have a precedent for the damage he can cause; even if that particular instance was accidental, it does show how much damage he's capable of doing. Then again, he could mean that it has a purely personal cost. I'm not sure they'd have put in that last scene after the credits if what he does wasn't going to have an affect on the rest of the world though.

 

He's also absolutely certain that the Inquisitor can't help him achieve whatever it is he's after. His last line to a friended or romanced Inquisitor implies that whatever comes next from him will likely make them question whether he was on their side. That may be as small as finding out he was lying to them or it could be that he's doing something that will put them in opposition to one another.

 

We're also not entirely sure he's trying to help the Dalish. The post break up banter with Cole talks about people "behind mirrors." So if he's trying to help the ancient elves that are still around or the other creators rather than the present day elves, that could be bad for a lot of people including present day elves. He does say that the present day elves are not his people.

 

I wonder if it's a coincidence that someone who wants the past back was introduced in the same game as time magic?

[zambixi]

I absolutely love the Skyhold-many-years-into-the-future image. That probably IS going to happen, too.

 

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But I think we can be reasonably sure Solas won't die and if we ever see him again, it won't be a happily ever after. Metagaming reasons:

- they aren't going to kill Fen'Harel.

- he is called He Who Hunts Alone for a reason.

So the best we can hope for is, they send the Inquisitor away somewhere after the third game and they see each other from time to time, but THEN she grows old, and in some ways it's even worse than another obvious solution - she dies(it must be even better than a Fade quest, though. I don't know, maybe covering Solas and her friends from crazy Anduril as they run through yet another mirror?). Making the Inquisitor a minor elven deity would be just too cheesy, I guess.

 

I want to replay DA:O with my Dalish Warden. Oh, I wonder if Solas would've approved the Dark Ritual and Zathrian's choices. Actually, I think he'd hate Zathrian's choice - enslaving a spirit like that would sound monstrous to him. And as for the Dark Ritual... who knows? I'm probably thinking not, because it means that a child has no choice whether to accept one more "passenger" into himself, and that's bad, too.

 

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I still hold out hope for a better ending than this (mostly for meta-game reasons). Sure, Bioware could go with the "forever alone" option for Lavellan and Solas but that has not been very popular with romances. Is anyone happy with Jacob from ME? Thane is a little better but many people are still miffed about that. BW builds games on choices, and when it feels like a player has no choice people tend to be a little annoyed, even when it makes more sense for "story reasons" (but often it does not).

 

They didn't just kill Alistair for example, they gave players a choice between Alistair and Hawke or even going back to the Keep and changing it so Alistair is never a warden at all. In DA:2 the player does not have to banish or kill Anders (which I always found quite strange - he is a terrorist and even Varric does not care for him at the end). With a few exceptions, it's not too difficult to have "happy" endings right now for the previous two installments (pretty much every DA:O LI talks about settling down "for good" with the Warden, or is already with them. Hawke is in Weisshaupt but I doubt s/he is dead...s/he will probably come back in DA4). Even Morrigan seems to be moving towards happily-ever-after land with the Warden.

 

Anyway, I think the best we can hope for based on the trend is temporary happiness or the promise of future happiness. We will probably be able to get a confirmation/confession of eternal love, and the option to remain together for a time (the same way that M!Warden can go through the mirror with Morrigan, and Hawke remains with whoever they romance until DA:I). I don't think they will make Lavellan into a god but it may be that there is another way for her to gain immortality or (the more likely option IMO), it's something they won't even address and will leave up to the player.

 

Or they could just completely crush my hopes and dreams - that's happened before. I'm pretty worried about it, but their writing is so in line with what I like during DA:I that I hold out hope. I want to believe!

[Addai]

I don't think Solas is convinced that she can't help him-

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I believe he considers it anathema to ask her to do so. His big deal is freedom, and he locked the gods away behind eluvians in order to give the elves freedom from their demands. He's very offended at the idea of Lavellan binding herself to the will of Mythal, and that's a goddess he's favorable towards. So he's not going to involve her in his purpose, especially since it apparently requires him to be alone.

 

Certainly it's a possibility that his plans could go awry, or they could be bad plans to begin with. I hope it's a grey choice, however, and not black and white.

[tomkaa988]

I think he's suggesting that if circumstances were different, their relationship could have worked out not that he can't love her for not being a spirit.

wow that's incredibly selfish

[Tielis]

I hope we do get a DLC revolving solely around Solas. Besides the fact that I am totally smitten with his character, I am genuinely still trying to figure out

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exactly what happened and what the ball meant to him, his plans, what happened in the epilogue, why he even had to leave!!! You mention finding whatever he is looking for together and he just totally shoots you down. It's infuriating.

  

 

Although, I wouldn't mind and entire game based off of him lol

 

Hmm... maybe they can't be together right now because of the mark.  Maybe he knows that whatever power is opposing him will affect the mark, so he wants to draw it away from her, both because he loves her and because he wants to be able to use its power later.

[scintilla]

 

I don't think Solas is convinced that she can't help him-

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I believe he considers it anathema to ask her to do so. His big deal is freedom, and he locked the gods away behind eluvians in order to give the elves freedom from their demands. He's very offended at the idea of Lavellan binding herself to the will of Mythal, and that's a goddess he's favorable towards. So he's not going to involve her in his purpose, especially since it apparently requires him to be alone.

 

Certainly it's a possibility that his plans could go awry, or they could be bad plans to begin with. I hope it's a grey choice, however, and not black and white.

 

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Asking for help isn't binding her to his will. He can't even bring himself to ask. That may be because he can't bring himself to be honest with her but if it mattered that much to him,why not take the risk? Surely the Inquisition's resources and a support network is better than whatever he has on his own? He does have a banter with Cole about people wanting to do the big things on their own though. Maybe the problem is his pride. My inclination is, taken with the other foreshadowing, it's probably because he doesn't think she'd agree to take part in whatever it is.

 

wow that's incredibly selfish

 

...That he tells her if the situation was different they could have stayed together? I think the intent was to be comforting. "It's not you, it's the situation." Not that it's necessarily actually comforting but I don't think he was being selfish there.

[Lulumi_Lumi]

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I still hold out hope for a better ending than this (mostly for meta-game reasons). Sure, Bioware could go with the "forever alone" option for Lavellan and Solas but that has not been very popular with romances. Is anyone happy with Jacob from ME? Thane is a little better but many people are still miffed about that. BW builds games on choices, and when it feels like a player has no choice people tend to be a little annoyed, even when it makes more sense for "story reasons" (but often it does not).

 

They didn't just kill Alistair for example, they gave players a choice between Alistair and Hawke or even going back to the Keep and changing it so Alistair is never a warden at all. In DA:2 the player does not have to banish or kill Anders (which I always found quite strange - he is a terrorist and even Varric does not care for him at the end). With a few exceptions, it's not too difficult to have "happy" endings right now for the previous two installments (pretty much every DA:O LI talks about settling down "for good" with the Warden, or is already with them. Hawke is in Weisshaupt but I doubt s/he is dead...s/he will probably come back in DA4). Even Morrigan seems to be moving towards happily-ever-after land with the Warden.

 

Anyway, I think the best we can hope for based on the trend is temporary happiness or the promise of future happiness. We will probably be able to get a confirmation/confession of eternal love, and the option to remain together for a time (the same way that M!Warden can go through the mirror with Morrigan, and Hawke remains with whoever they romance until DA:I). I don't think they will make Lavellan into a god but it may be that there is another way for her to gain immortality or (the more likely option IMO), it's something they won't even address and will leave up to the player.

 

Or they could just completely crush my hopes and dreams - that's happened before. I'm pretty worried about it, but their writing is so in line with what I like during DA:I that I hold out hope. I want to believe!

 

(Waring for Mass Effect spoilers)

 

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Yeah I can't help but think back to Thane. I was 100% guaranteed we would get a mission to find a cure for him in ME3 because I couldn't believe they would kill him off. Especially since his romance in ME2 is so good too, not like Solas which is a bit shorter and actually ends with them breaking up. We barley got any scenes of Thane in ME3 either so yeah, I'm hoping Inquisition isn't the end for Solas/Lavellan but I'm don't dare to celebrate just yet.

 

[Addai]

 

 

 

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Asking for help isn't binding her to his will. He can't even bring himself to ask. That may be because he can't bring himself to be honest with her but if it mattered that much to him,why not take the risk? Surely the Inquisition's resources and a support network is better than whatever he has on his own? He does have a banter with Cole about people wanting to do the big things on their own though. Maybe the problem is his pride. My inclination is, taken with the other foreshadowing, it's probably because he doesn't think she'd agree to take part in whatever it is.

Because it sets up a future expansion (I hope).   He's being prideful and stubborn, has trust issues, and in the case of an Inquisitor he respects/ loves, genuinely concerned about her well-being. In the case of an Inquisitor he's neutral/negative to, there's no way he's going to trust him or her with such an important task.

 

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Since the mark is his key, however, I think he's going to realize eventually that he has no choice but to involve the Inquisitor. Right now he's searching for another way. That's my interpretation, and obviously I could be wrong.

[SamanthaJ]

 

"These forests have changed much since I was last here."

 

Solas your age is showing.

[Avejajed]

Speaking of party banter- there isn't a Sera and Cole banter. I thought maybe it just wasn't up yet and that may still be the case but I had heard that Sera doesn't even knowledge him, so maybe there isn't any banter at all between those two characters. Has anyone heard any?

[Jaison1986]

Speaking of party banter- there isn't a Sera and Cole banter. I thought maybe it just wasn't up yet and that may still be the case but I had heard that Sera doesn't even knowledge him, so maybe there isn't any banter at all between those two characters. Has anyone heard any?

 

There is an banter with her and Cole. She hates talking to him (in an very similar fashion to Vivienne), and half of it consists of Cole guessing the meaning of her made up words.

[SamanthaJ]

Speaking of party banter- there isn't a Sera and Cole banter. I thought maybe it just wasn't up yet and that may still be the case but I had heard that Sera doesn't even knowledge him, so maybe there isn't any banter at all between those two characters. Has anyone heard any?

It's up now.

 

[zambixi]

(Waring for Mass Effect spoilers)

 

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Yeah I can't help but think back to Thane. I was 100% guaranteed we would get a mission to find a cure for him in ME3 because I couldn't believe they would kill him off. Especially since his romance in ME2 is so good too, not like Solas which is a bit shorter and actually ends with them breaking up. We barley got any scenes of Thane in ME3 either so yeah, I'm hoping Inquisition isn't the end for Solas/Lavellan but I'm don't dare to celebrate just yet.

 

 

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If we get an option to break it off with Solas at the beginning of DLC and/or start a new romance with someone else then I will lose all hope that the Solasmance is going to have a happy ending. You could do that in ME3 with Thane, and I saw that as a pretty big hint that things were not going to end well for him. But I do think the ME team realized that it wasn't a satisfying romance and tried to acknowledge/fix that in the Citadel DLC (the videos that "didn't get through the spam filter was pretty sheepish"). There was really no fixing Jacob though, that romance was awful from start to finish.

 

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I know the writers like to say that the DA games aren't "dating sims" or whatever, but I cannot tell you how happy I was at the end of DA:2 when Varric said Fenris stayed by Hawke's side, and in DA:I when I found out they were still together (of course now they're not but their love will bring them back into one another's arms I'm sure _{I hope}).

[scintilla]

 

Because it sets up a future expansion (I hope).    He's being prideful and stubborn, has trust issues, and in the case of an Inquisitor he respects/ loves, genuinely concerned about her well-being. In the case of an Inquisitor he's neutral/negative to, there's no way he's going to trust him or her with such an important task.

 

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Since the mark is his key, however, I think he's going to realize eventually that he has no choice but to involve the Inquisitor. Right now he's searching for another way. That's my interpretation, and obviously I could be wrong.

 

This is also possible! I still think it's likely if he shows up in the Inquisitor's story again, it will be as antagonist but it's also likely it will be as someone who has Made (More) Mistakes. I don't think whatever it is he's doing can have very good results but that's all I'd be willing to bet on. 

[Avejajed]

Thanks!!!

[witchofthewilds]

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could someone explain to me why solas says things like'if you were a spirit' or 'in another world' during the rejection scene?or "you are a marvellous spirit"... does he not consider real people at all or what?

Yeah I know.. I was thinking about that as well. 

Too much stuff that has not been explained, so too much time for me to theorize and drive myself mad. 

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Maybe he is the spirit of an old elven god... like many have theorized. He has made many comments about "oh the dalish" and how they were misguided and ignorant,. Then when you have your second romance scene, it made me wonder if maybe he was doing something that concerned the dalish. He made comments about how if the inquisitor could change and be better, being dalish and all, than perhaps then all dalish could change as well. Or perhaps he has misjudged them? Then he quickly tried to forget about that by saying "yes maybe that is it..." when you say that you made your own choices and it had nothing to do with being Dalish. Almost like he tried to push the thought away so that he wouldn't feel bad/guilty for doing something that really affected/will affect them?? But the doesn't explain everything, and why he is so fascinated by spirits either.

[Addai]

 

 

 

This is also possible! I still think it's likely if he shows up in the Inquisitor's story again, it will be as antagonist but it's also likely it will be as someone who has Made (More) Mistakes. I don't think whatever it is he's doing can have very good results but that's all I'd be willing to bet on. 

 

Well, it's possible. Solas certainly is the poster child for It Wasn't Supposed to Happen Like That.

 

I don't mind if he's the antagonist, as long as I get to antagonize with him. 

[kalasaurus]

This is me thinking a bit far ahead (and optimistically)... but,

 

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if there's a "Wolf Hunt" DLC, which companions would you bring with you (if we can)?  I was trying to decide which would be the best companions, and for what reasons.  Cole would likely be a good a choice.  Varric couldn't pass up a good story, though (and this would make for a good love story ).  Hmm...

[witchofthewilds]

 

Revolving around that tombstone that said Solas's biggest fear is "Dying Alone".

 

See that is what makes no sense??!

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So then why did he leave if he could just stay and eventually die together with her!?! Was he just using her then (honestly that kills me to think about.. ugh), and maybe he left because he just wanted the orb and knew Cory would come for you specifically and he had on his person? And that is why he said "it wasn't supposed to happen this way" and just takes off... Or is he already dead maybe and cannot actually fulfill a romance because he died alone as is too fearful of anything happening again? Maybe that is why he is stuck in the fade because he died alone and the fear consumed him so he became so fascinated with spirits and studying the fade?

[RebbyWriter]

So, Patrick was talking on twitter about how Krem has an issue with chairs and he said, "I wrote Krem to be standing on the chair."

 

Wait. Weekes wrote Krem?! Of course he did. Of course he wrote both my favorite romance and my favorite non-companion. *pulls out inhaler* You glorious son-of-a-******!

[DragonRacer]

See that is what makes no sense??!

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So then why did he leave if he could just stay and eventually die together with her!?! Was he just using her then (honestly that kills me to think about.. ugh), and maybe he left because he just wanted the orb and knew Cory would come for you specifically and he had on his person? And that is why he said "it wasn't supposed to happen this way" and just takes off... Or is he already dead maybe and cannot actually fulfill a romance because he died alone as is too fearful of anything happening again? Maybe that is why he is stuck in the fade because he died alone and the fear consumed him so he became so fascinated with spirits and studying the fade?

 

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Sure it does. If whatever his current goal is feels that important to him that it must be done, despite his love for Lavellan and his fear of dying alone. Which seems to be the case.

 

Just because someone fears something, doesn't mean they'll necessarily let it stop them from doing something they deem immensely important.

[zambixi]

 

 

 

This is also possible! I still think it's likely if he shows up in the Inquisitor's story again, it will be as antagonist but it's also likely it will be as someone who has Made (More) Mistakes. I don't think whatever it is he's doing can have very good results but that's all I'd be willing to bet on. 

 

 

I disagree; I don't think he will be a straight antagonist.

 

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He's probably going to do some bad stuff, but I see him as turning out to be more like Morrigan or Flemeth rather than Coryphefish or Meredith.

 

Actually maybe Anders is a better comparison. Anders is the catalyst for the mage/templar conflict. But he's not the antagonist of the story. There are tons of other people (we see mostly in the books, but to a lesser extent in DA:O and DA:2) working towards the same goal, causing the same tensions. Anders is just the one who finally says "enough" and blows up a Chantry. What he does is horrible, and launches the conflict in earnest, but it was always going to happen. If it hadn't been Anders it would have been someone else.

 

Similarly, Solas does not seem to be the only one that wants to bring back what was lost. All of Flemythal's crew (her + her daughters) wants to do the same thing. The Dalish want to reclaim their history (though they're basically fumbling in the dark). Presumably if Coryphefish and the Architect were running around there are other magisters doing something somewhere and they likely play into it somehow. Felassan's presence in TME seems to suggest there are other ancient elves doing stuff...Basically Solas has the power to do something right now, and I definitely see him doing it but I don't think that will make him the Big Bad.

 

The Big Bad is always someone that is doing something selfishly (e.g. Coryphefish), or just a monstrosity (e.g. the archdemon). As misguided as he is, Solas is doing whatever he's doing because it believes it will help the People (whoever they are). My prediction is that he'll set things in motion, and the player's big decision will be whether or not to try and stop him - either by force or by reasoning. If they do "stop" him, they'll find out that it's too late to actually stop whatever it is that's going on (either because the process is irreversible or because Mythal intervenes in some way), but at least then Solas can be "redeemed". If not exactly that, I see something similar happening where you get choices but the end result is basically the same so they don't have completely diverging stories

 

 

Yeah I know.. I was thinking about that as well. 

Too much stuff that has not been explained, so too much time for me to theorize and drive myself mad. 

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Maybe he is the spirit of an old elven god... like many have theorized. He has made many comments about "oh the dalish" and how they were misguided and ignorant,. Then when you have your second romance scene, it made me wonder if maybe he was doing something that concerned the dalish. He made comments about how if the inquisitor could change and be better, being dalish and all, than perhaps then all dalish could change as well. Or perhaps he has misjudged them? Then he quickly tried to forget about that by saying "yes maybe that is it..." when you say that you made your own choices and it had nothing to do with being Dalish. Almost like he tried to push the thought away so that he wouldn't feel bad/guilty for doing something that really affected/will affect them?? But the doesn't explain everything, and why he is so fascinated by spirits either.

 

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The more I think about it the more I think when he talks about The People he's not talking about the Dalish. Even if you select the "yes" option (yes you misjudged the Dalish), he doesn't really acknowledge that he could be totally wrong about it.

 

I always thought my Lavellan would be torn between being miffed at him for ragging on the Dalish and agreeing with him. My SO is European and every once in a while he makes fun of Americans. I'm always a little annoyed; sure Americans suck sometimes but it's my culture, he hasn't experienced it and he can't judge it as an outsider. Headcannon is Lavellan feels similarly. Sure the Dalish can be dicks but they are her jerks; not everyone has the luxury of running through the Fade to amass infinite knowledge.

 

 

So, Patrick was talking on twitter about how Krem has an issue with chairs and he said, "I wrote Krem to be standing on the chair."

 

Wait. Weekes wrote Krem?! Of course he did. Of course he wrote both my favorite romance and my favorite non-companion. *pulls out inhaler* You glorious son-of-a-******!

 

KREM FOR COMPANION DA:4.  Seriously I want to start this movement.

[Addai]

I think one of the more significant conversations is when he asks what the Inquisitor would do with the power of Mythal after the Breach is taken care of. I think he's fishing for her perspective on his own project. What do you do with a big Oops- do you try to go back? Start new? If you start new, what if you screw it up again?

 

The only thing he doesn't like is if she says she's going to trust those around her.

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Obviously he was betrayed by someone close to him, and lost everything he ever cared for, and the only thing he really can't stand is to imagine it happening again.

[witchofthewilds]

This is what I see happening. I think he probably has good intentions but that's bad news for most people. He has some ominous banter/ambient dialogue/responses after the Temple of Mythal about a willingness to fix things no matter the cost (or take regrettable action, etc.). He does seem aware at the end that an Inquisitor who befriended him will feel betrayed by what happens next.

But it is almost like he broke it off on purpose, as if he hurt you on purpose.

After he dips and just leaves your crying (near a waterfall, which is convenient, so no one can hear) you return to skyhold and you can ask him about what the hell happened.

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And remember?! He says something along the lines of: "steel your heart to a cutting edge and use it against cory.."
It makes me feel like solas was trying to anger you on purpose so you want Cory dead, so he can claim the orb he wields... since it seems that is the only reason he wanted to join the inquisition out of his own free will.

 

[RynJ]

Personally I definitely see them setting Solas up as an antagonist of some sort. Everything about his storyline and foreshadowing just SCREAMS that to me, as much as I don't like it. I don't ever think he'll be a full on villain, as human and sympathetic as he is, but I have no doubts that we'll be in opposition to him at some point.

 

I don't necessarily like it, but I'm incredibly curious to see where Weekes is going to go with this. Gah why do I always love the morally grey characters? It never fails to lead to heartbreak. 

 

@witchofthewilds: I think that's doing a bit of reaching, there. He came off as completely sincere, realizing that he's made a huge mistake when he's setting himself on whatever path he chose. He took you to a private place to do it so you could be in private. It's not as if Lavellan couldn't go and tell everyone else if she wanted to so it'd make no difference if they weren't there.  I don't think he needed to anger you to get you to beat Cory, since you were already right about to do that. It seemed like a pretty typical and pretty typically insensitive "buck up" response to someone you hurt lashing out at you. Not the most admirable reaction but I've heard the like before from people who are guilty. It was such a weak statement, in my opinion!

 

Besides, my Lavellan certainly wasn't crying (at least not at that moment, poor girl).