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[slmisfit]

So, Patrick was talking on twitter about how Krem has an issue with chairs and he said, "I wrote Krem to be standing on the chair."

 

Wait. Weekes wrote Krem?! Of course he did. Of course he wrote both my favorite romance and my favorite non-companion. *pulls out inhaler* You glorious son-of-a-******!

Krem can never make up his mind about whether he wants to be sitting on the chair, or standing on the chair, or in front of the chair...

[zambixi]

But it is almost like he broke it off on purpose, as if he hurt you on purpose.

Spoiler

After he dips and just leaves your crying (near a waterfall, which is convenient, so no one can hear) you return to skyhold and you can ask him about what the hell happened.

He says something along the lines of: "steel your heart to a cutting edge and use it against cory.."
It makes me feel like solas was trying to anger you on purpose so you want Cory dead, so he can claim the orb he wields... since it seems that is the only reason he wanted to join the inquisition out of his own free will.

 

I didn't take it that way.

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I thought he was trying to dissuade Quizzie from falling into a pit of despair and being unable to complete her task. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for him to make you angry so that you want to kill Coryphefish because...Cory isn't the one that made you angry in that instance. Plus you were going to kill Cory regardless of whether or not Solas broke it off - that was pretty much decided when Cory tries to kill you.

 

I do wonder if he broke it off thinking that Cory might reveal something. I'm still of the opinion that he doesn't decide to break up until pretty much the moment he stops kissing her, but him saying that he doesn't want to "distract" her rather than using a different excuse makes me curious. It could just be that he couldn't think of anything better to say, or that he wanted to break it off before she found a reason to end it with him (after feeling betrayed). Cory has to know who Solas is - since he gave him the orb.

[caridounette]

I tend to like it when theres new voices in the thread asking us how were so sure  Solas isnt just lying to Lavellan  the whole time.

 

Either its circomstances and personal shortcomings (how can you explain godhood after all) or its real deceptiveness (where his plan always came first and falling for Lavellan a sidebenefit he thought he could handle until he couldnt). The fact that theres no way to know right now makes the experience so powerful. It really comes down to a choice on what to believe and what to disregard.

 

Unlike other aspects of the the game, this is totally keeping me interested until the DLC. The rest of the game and the Inquisition story can appear a bit dull by comparaison (the amount of foreshadowing and diversity of interpretation is fascinating).

[RynJ]

Does Corypheus know? I wonder about that. You'd think he would have said something to Solas, if you had him in the party, but I don't remember anything like that. It's possible that Solas looked different when he interacted with Cory originally or something like that. Maybe he worked through someone else.

[scintilla]

I disagree; I don't think he will be a straight antagonist.

 

An antagonist doesn't need to be a mustache twirling villain or completely irredeemable. They only need to be in opposition to the protagonist. I suspect that's where Solas's story is leading him: opposition to the protagonist. Hopefully he fails, whether he's talked out of it or killed.

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I can't imagine how they'd deal with him successfully breaking the world twice or hell, how he'd deal with successfully breaking the world twice. I'd rather he not end up with any more guilt and misery to carry around however the story ends.

 

On getting the past back:

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Everyone else wants to preserve knowledge. There is no evidence that they want to go back to the actual days of Arlathan (not the idealized version) because even at it's worst it's better than what they've got now. That's unique to Solas.

 

Does Corypheus know? I wonder about that. You'd think he would have said something to Solas, if you had him in the party, but I don't remember anything like that. It's possible that Solas looked different when he interacted with Cory originally or something like that. Maybe he worked through someone else.

 

 

Corypheus comments about calling elves "rattus" to both the elven Inquisitor and Solas. He doesn't appear to recognize Solas.

[Addai]

But it is almost like he broke it off on purpose, as if he hurt you on purpose.

After he dips and just leaves your crying (near a waterfall, which is convenient, so no one can hear) you return to skyhold and you can ask him about what the hell happened.

Spoiler

And remember?! He says something along the lines of: "steel your heart to a cutting edge and use it against cory.."
It makes me feel like solas was trying to anger you on purpose so you want Cory dead, so he can claim the orb he wields... since it seems that is the only reason he wanted to join the inquisition out of his own free will.

 

I think he's talking as much to himself there.

[zambixi]

Does Corypheus know? I wonder about that. You'd think he would have said something to Solas, if you had him in the party, but I don't remember anything like that. It's possible that Solas looked different when he interacted with Cory originally or something like that. Maybe he worked through someone else.

 

That's possible too. By the way, does anyone know the timeline between DA:2 and DA:I?

Spoiler

At some point Cory says the plan is "years in the making" but I was under the impression that DA:2 hadn't happened that long ago (though were Legacy fits in the DA:2 timeline is another matter). It makes me wonder if Solas has been awake for longer than I previously thought (especially since Felassan also seems to be an ancient elf and he's been around for years).

[scintilla]

But it is almost like he broke it off on purpose, as if he hurt you on purpose.

After he dips and just leaves your crying (near a waterfall, which is convenient, so no one can hear) you return to skyhold and you can ask him about what the hell happened.

Spoiler

And remember?! He says something along the lines of: "steel your heart to a cutting edge and use it against cory.."
It makes me feel like solas was trying to anger you on purpose so you want Cory dead, so he can claim the orb he wields... since it seems that is the only reason he wanted to join the inquisition out of his own free will.

 

 

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I don't think he did it on purpose. But that comes down to 1) taking his word for it and 2) interpreting his expression and tone of voice as genuine. It's possible he could have been lying the whole time but I don't think he gains anything at all from it. Causing the Inquisitor pain is just as likely to backfire and make her less effective as it is to result in her "steeling her heart."

[kalasaurus]

But it is almost like he broke it off on purpose, as if he hurt you on purpose.

After he dips and just leaves your crying (near a waterfall, which is convenient, so no one can hear) you return to skyhold and you can ask him about what the hell happened.

Spoiler

And remember?! He says something along the lines of: "steel your heart to a cutting edge and use it against cory.."
It makes me feel like solas was trying to anger you on purpose so you want Cory dead, so he can claim the orb he wields... since it seems that is the only reason he wanted to join the inquisition out of his own free will.

 

 

If that's the case, then hell hath no fury like my Lavellan scorned.

[zambixi]

An antagonist doesn't need to be a mustache twirling villain or completely irredeemable. They only need to be in opposition to the protagonist. I suspect that's where Solas's story is leading him: opposition to the protagonist. Hopefully he fails, whether he's talked out of it or killed.

Spoiler

I can't imagine how they'd deal with him successfully breaking the world twice or hell, how he'd deal with successfully breaking the world twice. I'd rather he not end up with any more guilt and misery to carry around however the story ends.

 

On getting the past back:

Spoiler

Everyone else wants to preserve knowledge. There is no evidence that they want to go back to the actual days of Arlathan (not the idealized version) because even at it's worst it's better than what they've got now. That's unique to Solas.

 

 

 

Corypheus comments about calling elves "rattus" to both the elven Inquisitor and Solas. He doesn't appear to recognize Solas.

Re: antagonist

 

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I guess I'm differentiating between antagonist and the Big Bad. He might be a minor antagonist, but the Big Bad in BW games tends to be a mustache-twirling villain. Sure they could write the next DLC/expansion so that he eventually morphs into such a thing (the way that Meredith isn't quite so crazy in the beginning of DA:2), but why bother making him a potentially likable character (or a Romance option) in DA:I if he's going to suddenly be in complete opposition to the player in its expansions? Especially if there's no way to redeem him. It'd just make a lot of players angry (we're not always the most mature bunch -- myself definitely included).

 

 

Re: past

 

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Flemythal's crew very much wants to reclaim the days of Arlathan. One of Flemeth's daughters was trying to bring back the Great Dragons, as well as a host of other old magic. I'm sure if Flemythal had the power she would be doing more than that, but she says in her post-temple conversation that she's just a "shadow" of whatever she once was. The Dalish love their idealized version of Arlathan and would certainly go back to it (unknowing as they are of what it was really like). And I'm not entirely convinced Solas wants to actually go back to those days. I think his plan is somewhere in the middle. From his conversations it seems like he feels guilty, but it doesn't seem like he believes groups/the creators are going to be any better than they were before they were locked away. I'm hesitant to believe that his plan is to wake them up and hope that things will be different this time

[caridounette]

 

If that's the case, then hell hath no fury like my Lavellan scorned.

 

 

So next time we see Solas, Lavellan could either decide to follow him through fire or make him pay so baddly hed want to be dead (Im thinking locking him in an Eluvian. Forever alone. No Fade to keep escape in).

 

I cant wait !

[Alan Rickman]

Random theories/musings:

Spoiler

• What he seeks is to remove the veil completely. He gave the orb to Corypheus since he himself was too weak after being asleep for so long and hoped that he would do it for him (maybe he tried to trick him?). Obviously that backfired since ol' Cory had his own agenda and what he did was far more violent and... crude than what Solas envisioned. One of the earliest dialogues you can have with him in Haven has him paint a picture of this utopia where spirits and mortals live side by side in harmony. Corypheus violently tearing a hole through the veil, causing the Fade to bleed into the physical world, sending spirits into a new existence they can't cope with while also actively corrupting them to serve him probably isn't what Solas had in mind, based on a lot of his views throughout the game.
• If successful, I think demons might cease to exist. They would just be spirits, pure and uncorrupted. Maybe spirits and mortals would effectively become one and the same? Is that what the world was like before? Is that the reason why he feels such kinship with spirits, they essentially are more like what he is, what all things were? (think Synthesis in ME terms)
• The end clearly indicates that whatever it is that he feels he must do, is for the good of "the People". I don't think he means elves as a whole with this since he feels little to no kinship with any of the mortal races, but rather the ancient ones. Are there still others sleeping and he wants to help them reclaim what was lost or is something else involved? Literally turning back the clock for the entire world with time magic to a time before the elves descended into civil war and trying to undo the mistakes of the past? Obviously, that would also erase the present as we know it so that would be pretty bad news for every single living being in Thedas considering they will most likely never have existed.
• His thoughts on the current races living in Thedas seems quite low in general. The talk he gave my human Inquisitor after completing his personal quest seems to indicate that he thought that humans as a whole weren't worth much, but that I was an extraordinary individual who far surpassed his prejudices and expectations. But it was still basically just that I was the one true exception he had encountered, I didn't prove him wrong about humans but rather he saw me as someone who overcame the innate shortcomings of being human.
• If that whole "remove the veil" theory above turned out to be true, I think that because it would effectively alter reality itself as we know it, it might essentially be something of a global extinction event. He regrets the lives lost, but feels that it would create a better world. When the dust settles, the remaining ancient elves would awake from their slumber and from the ashes rebuild the world, side by side with spirits, free from the corrupting influence of mortals and aware of the mistakes that led to their downfall in the past.

My head hurts now.

[DragonRacer]

I would agree with the general concept that an antagonist need not always be the Big Bad.

 

Look at DAO, for example.

 

Loghain was an antagonist, hands down. To some, irredeemably so. To others (such as myself), a sympathetic one. But an antagonist no less - he very much tries to kill your Warden, after all.

 

But the actual, mustache-twirling Big Bad of DAO was, obviously, the Archdemon, a raving, corrupted Old God trying to destroy the world in a Blight.

 

If that helps to illustrate the difference for anyone.

 

And as such, a good example with Loghain is that you could deem him beyond redemption/evil and execute him... or you could give him another chance and make him a Warden.

 

If they are setting Solas up as an antagonist (and not a Big Bad - Lord, I really hope they're not going down that path), I certainly hope we'll have the same option/choice on his fate as we did with Loghain. In that there was actually a choice to spare him/give him a chance at redemption.

[Miss This or That]

There was always something that confused me about Solas and his outlook on the world...

Spoiler

On one hand he is disgusted by the dalish way of life, or at the very least feels pity for them and the other elves because they are just a dull artifact of their former glory. He is entirely confused and even angry at a dalish Lavellan that enjoys their culture. He wants the old life back - when time was but a name and magic filled the world. A time when 'everything sang the same'. He talks about how beautiful a life without the veil could be, too.

...but, on the other hand, he is completely against the slavery of elves and the way of life that the elven 'gods' preferred. He even goes as far as sharing the truth with a Lavellan that romanced him and offers to take her vallaslin away. How can he wish to go back to such times when the very idea of slavery makes him angry? And why would he want to re-awaken the gods, if this speculation is true? True, his actions ended in this 'miserable' life of the modern elves, but does he truly think that doing the exact opposite would turn out better? If anything it would enslave the elves even more.

It is just so very confusing. He says he is the one to blame...but how far can one even blame him? There are countless events that happened, sealing the gods away was just one turn in this game of chess. He believes he is the one that needs to change everything, but he seems entirely unsure if his goal would truly benefit Thedas at all. It's just so selfish and his end goal isn't even something that we can clearly see right now. What does he want to do exactly? I just don't think that he simply wants to re-awaken the gods, since that would go against his own beliefs in regards to slavery.

Ugh, Solas. Y u so confusing?

[Addai]

The thing is that this change that's coming on the world appears to be inevitable anyway, so I doubt it's one or two players causing it to happen. They're trying to shape the course of the world as they're able, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

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If Solas is a Flemeth style figure, then I can completely live with that. I never believed Flemeth and Morrigan were evil, as some did. Nor are they wholly to be trusted. If anything, Solas' idealism could be even more dangerous than Flemeth and Morrigan's brand. So as I said, I'd totally be fine with the option to oppose him, but I hope it would be a more complex choice than that.

[DragonRacer]

There was always something that confused me about Solas and his outlook on the world...

Spoiler

On one hand he is disgusted by the dalish way of life, or at the very least feels pity for them and the other elves because they are just a dull artifact of their former glory. He is entirely confused and even angry at a dalish Lavellan that enjoys their culture. He wants the old life back - when time was but a name and magic filled the world. A time when 'everything sang the same'. He talks about how beautiful a life without the veil could be, too.

...but, on the other hand, he is completely against the slavery of elves and the way of life that the elven 'gods' preferred. He even goes as far as sharing the truth with a Lavellan that romanced him and offers to take her vallaslin away. How can he wish to go back to such times when the very idea of slavery makes him angry? And why would he want to re-awaken the gods, if this speculation is true? True, his actions ended in this 'miserable' life of the modern elves, but does he truly think that doing the exact opposite would turn out better? If anything it would enslave the elves even more.

It is just so very confusing. He says he is the one to blame...but how far can one even blame him? There are countless events that happened, sealing the gods away was just one turn in this game of chess. He believes he is the one that needs to change everything, but he seems entirely unsure if his goal would truly benefit Thedas at all. It's just so selfish and his end goal isn't even something that we can clearly see right now. What does he want to do exactly? I just don't think that he simply wants to re-awaken the gods, since that would go against his own beliefs in regards to slavery.

Ugh, Solas. Y u so confusing?

 

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Incredibly confusing.

 

Someone seriously needs to sit that boy down and have the "you can't go home again" reality check real talk with him.

 

It is what it is now. Buck up and deal with it, kiddo.

[scintilla]

 

Re: antagonist

 

Spoiler

I guess I'm differentiating between antagonist and the Big Bad. He might be a minor antagonist, but the Big Bad in BW games tends to be a mustache-twirling villain. Sure they could write the next DLC/expansion so that he eventually morphs into such a thing (the way that Meredith isn't quite so crazy in the beginning of DA:2), but why bother making him a potentially likable character (or a Romance option) in DA:I if he's going to suddenly be in complete opposition to the player in its expansions? Especially if there's no way to redeem him. It'd just make a lot of players angry (we're not always the most mature bunch -- myself definitely included).

 

 

Re: past

 

Spoiler

Flemythal's crew very much wants to reclaim the days of Arlathan. One of Flemeth's daughters was trying to bring back the Great Dragons, as well as a host of other old magic. I'm sure if Flemythal had the power she would be doing more than that, but she says in her post-temple conversation that she's just a "shadow" of whatever she once was. The Dalish love their idealized version of Arlathan and would certainly go back to it (unknowing as they are of what it was really like). And I'm not entirely convinced Solas wants to actually go back to those days. I think his plan is somewhere in the middle. From his conversations it seems like he feels guilty, but it doesn't seem like he believes groups/the creators are going to be any better than they were before they were locked away. I'm hesitant to believe that his plan is to wake them up and hope that things will be different this time

 

Spoiler

They haven't done it before, so they won't do it now isn't really an argument. I think watching his fall would be a very emotionally compelling story. Maybe not one I'd like to see as much as him finding some happiness somewhere but it would certainly be powerful. I think BioWare has a story they want to tell with Solas and probably don't care all that much if it makes fans angry. He wouldn't be an LI if they cared that much, since he inevitably dumps the Inquisitor and takes off and they learned that people hated that with Morrigan. I suspect he's an LI because it adds depth to his story, it humanizes him and gives him something he has to sacrifice to go ahead with his plans.

 

Bringing back old magic doesn't mean going back to the actual days of Arlathan. Flemythal and her daughters have an interest in salvaging and preserving old magic and knowledge. They may want some of the past back but there's been nothing to indicate that they feel the culture of Arlathan was superior to the culture of the present. None of them have said "I sacrificed to make this world better and it's not, I made a huge mistake." The Dalish elves would love to go back to their idealized version of Arlathan. Which is why I specifically said actual Arlathan. The Dalish don't even know what they'd be getting into. Solas knows exactly what he'd be going back to and considers it a better option.

[Mims]

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I would say with fair certainty Solas will end up an antagonist at some point. There's simply too much foreshadowing that his plans are going to be in direct opposition to the Inquisitor. 

 

But I am hoping very much that we can convince him off whatever path he's on. Not so much because 'he has to be one of the good guys!' but I legitimately get the sense that he doesn't want to be on this path. He's tied himself to it because he thinks that the greater good will ultimately prevail because of it. 

 

That said, I am not sure if Solas would be the only antagonist we'd be up against should they do a 'Wolf Hunt' style DLC. Maybe it is just me hoping for a small bit of redemption, but it does feel as though there are other players involved here. 

[Addai]

 

 

 

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They haven't done it before, so they won't do it now isn't really an argument. I think watching his fall would be a very emotionally compelling story. Maybe not one I'd like to see as much as him finding some happiness somewhere but it would certainly be powerful. I think BioWare has a story they want to tell with Solas and probably don't care all that much if it makes fans angry. He wouldn't be an LI if they cared that much, since he inevitably dumps the Inquisitor and takes off and they learned that people hated that with Morrigan. I suspect he's an LI because it adds depth to his story, it humanizes him and gives him something he has to sacrifice to go ahead with his plans.

 

Bringing back old magic doesn't mean going back to the actual days of Arlathan. Flemythal and her daughters have an interest in salvaging and preserving old magic and knowledge. They may want some of the past back but there's been nothing to indicate that they feel the culture of Arlathan was superior to the culture of the present. None of them have said "I sacrificed to make this world better and it's not, I made a huge mistake." The Dalish elves would love to go back to their idealized version of Arlathan. Which is why I specifically said actual Arlathan. The Dalish don't even know what they'd be getting into. Solas knows exactly what he'd be going back to and considers it a better option.

 

Forcing us to participate in his downfall is not a plot that many of us here would want to play. Solas is becoming a popular character, though I'm sure the haters will be out there too (especially since he's picking up fangirls now and some people get jollies out of thwarting fangirls). If Bioware wants to sell DLC, they'll make it at the very least a mixed bag.

[scintilla]

There was always something that confused me about Solas and his outlook on the world...

Spoiler

On one hand he is disgusted by the dalish way of life, or at the very least feels pity for them and the other elves because they are just a dull artifact of their former glory. He is entirely confused and even angry at a dalish Lavellan that enjoys their culture. He wants the old life back - when time was but a name and magic filled the world. A time when 'everything sang the same'. He talks about how beautiful a life without the veil could be, too.

...but, on the other hand, he is completely against the slavery of elves and the way of life that the elven 'gods' preferred. He even goes as far as sharing the truth with a Lavellan that romanced him and offers to take her vallaslin away. How can he wish to go back to such times when the very idea of slavery makes him angry? And why would he want to re-awaken the gods, if this speculation is true? True, his actions ended in this 'miserable' life of the modern elves, but does he truly think that doing the exact opposite would turn out better? If anything it would enslave the elves even more.

It is just so very confusing. He says he is the one to blame...but how far can one even blame him? There are countless events that happened, sealing the gods away was just one turn in this game of chess. He believes he is the one that needs to change everything, but he seems entirely unsure if his goal would truly benefit Thedas at all. It's just so selfish and his end goal isn't even something that we can clearly see right now. What does he want to do exactly? I just don't think that he simply wants to re-awaken the gods, since that would go against his own beliefs in regards to slavery.

Ugh, Solas. Y u so confusing?

 

Someone said like twenty pages ago that Solas struggles with mitigating factors and that made a lot of sense to me.

 

He's also confusing because he seems to hate all the current races. At the same time, he cares deeply about people in general. I wonder if that ever gets confusing for him.

[zambixi]

Don't mind me, I'm just talking from my view with the rose-colored glasses...

 

 

Random theories/musings:

Spoiler

• What he seeks is to remove the veil completely. He gave the orb to Corypheus since he himself was too weak after being asleep for so long and hoped that he would do it for him (maybe he tried to trick him?). Obviously that backfired since ol' Cory had his own agenda and what he did was far more violent and... crude than what Solas envisioned. One of the earliest dialogues you can have with him in Haven has him paint a picture of this utopia where spirits and mortals live side by side in harmony. Corypheus violently tearing a hole through the veil, causing the Fade to bleed into the physical world, sending spirits into a new existence they can't cope with while also actively corrupting them to serve him probably isn't what Solas had in mind, based on a lot of his views throughout the game.
• If successful, I think demons might cease to exist. They would just be spirits, pure and uncorrupted. Maybe spirits and mortals would effectively become one and the same? Is that what the world was like before? Is that the reason why he feels such kinship with spirits, they essentially are more like what he is, what all things were? (think Synthesis in ME terms)
• The end clearly indicates that whatever it is that he feels he must do, is for the good of "the People". I don't think he means elves as a whole with this since he feels little to no kinship with any of the mortal races, but rather the ancient ones. Are there still others sleeping and he wants to help them reclaim what was lost or is something else involved? Literally turning back the clock for the entire world with time magic to a time before the elves descended into civil war and trying to undo the mistakes of the past? Obviously, that would also erase the present as we know it so that would be pretty bad news for every single living being in Thedas considering they will most likely never have existed.
• His thoughts on the current races living in Thedas seems quite low in general. The talk he gave my human Inquisitor after completing his personal quest seems to indicate that he thought that humans as a whole weren't worth much, but that I was an extraordinary individual who far surpassed his prejudices and expectations. But it was still basically just that I was the one true exception he had encountered, I didn't prove him wrong about humans but rather he saw me as someone who overcame the innate shortcomings of being human.
• If that whole "remove the veil" theory above turned out to be true, I think that because it would effectively alter reality itself as we know it, it might essentially be something of a global extinction event. He regrets the lives lost, but feels that it would create a better world. When the dust settles, the remaining ancient elves would awake from their slumber and from the ashes rebuild the world, side by side with spirits, free from the corrupting influence of mortals and aware of the mistakes that led to their downfall in the past.

My head hurts now.

 

That makes a ton of sense.

 

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• What happens to the Dwarves? They were around during the time of ancient Arlathan and before the Veil. Yet even today they're the one race that is completely cut off from the fade. I wonder if this is a factor of the Veil, the effects of the Stone, or something else? How would they be affected?
• What about the Darkspawn? I just have no idea about this one
• He doesn't really like the old elves or their system? Does he think that a new system would come up when suddenly the only elves around are those that were servants (i.e. those in the Temple of Mythal), and those that were the elite (i.e. those in Uthenara)?
• Humans and Qunari came from somewhere outside of Thedas. Does the Veil only cover Thedas, or is it a worldwide thing? If the latter, then presumably the Humans/Qunari once also existed in a world without the Veil. We know very little about pre-Thedas history for the other races. They may be able to live in a world without the Veil

 

There was always something that confused me about Solas and his outlook on the world...

Spoiler

On one hand he is disgusted by the dalish way of life, or at the very least feels pity for them and the other elves because they are just a dull artifact of their former glory. He is entirely confused and even angry at a dalish Lavellan that enjoys their culture. He wants the old life back - when time was but a name and magic filled the world. A time when 'everything sang the same'. He talks about how beautiful a life without the veil could be, too.

...but, on the other hand, he is completely against the slavery of elves and the way of life that the elven 'gods' preferred. He even goes as far as sharing the truth with a Lavellan that romanced him and offers to take her vallaslin away. How can he wish to go back to such times when the very idea of slavery makes him angry? And why would he want to re-awaken the gods, if this speculation is true? True, his actions ended in this 'miserable' life of the modern elves, but does he truly think that doing the exact opposite would turn out better? If anything it would enslave the elves even more.

It is just so very confusing. He says he is the one to blame...but how far can one even blame him? There are countless events that happened, sealing the gods away was just one turn in this game of chess. He believes he is the one that needs to change everything, but he seems entirely unsure if his goal would truly benefit Thedas at all. It's just so selfish and his end goal isn't even something that we can clearly see right now. What does he want to do exactly? I just don't think that he simply wants to re-awaken the gods, since that would go against his own beliefs in regards to slavery.

Ugh, Solas. Y u so confusing?

 

So confusing! Seriously!

 

Spoiler

It doesn't seem like he wants to kill all non-People right? He's happy when you help regular ol' elves and people. Sure he definitely prefers spirits and the People, but he's not like...heartless. I wish we could see more between when the orb breaks and when he goes to meet Mythal. I feel like there's a change in his perspective there that we don't really get to see the reasoning behind.

 

 

 

 

 

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They haven't done it before, so they won't do it now isn't really an argument. I think watching his fall would be a very emotionally compelling story. Maybe not one I'd like to see as much as him finding some happiness somewhere but it would certainly be powerful. I think BioWare has a story they want to tell with Solas and probably don't care all that much if it makes fans angry. He wouldn't be an LI if they cared that much, since he inevitably dumps the Inquisitor and takes off and they learned that people hated that with Morrigan. I suspect he's an LI because it adds depth to his story, it humanizes him and gives him something he has to sacrifice to go ahead with his plans.

 

Bringing back old magic doesn't mean going back to the actual days of Arlathan. Flemythal and her daughters have an interest in salvaging and preserving old magic and knowledge. They may want some of the past back but there's been nothing to indicate that they feel the culture of Arlathan was superior to the culture of the present. None of them have said "I sacrificed to make this world better and it's not, I made a huge mistake." The Dalish elves would love to go back to their idealized version of Arlathan. Which is why I specifically said actual Arlathan. The Dalish don't even know what they'd be getting into. Solas knows exactly what he'd be going back to and considers it a better option.

 

 

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If it were a different medium I would totally agree that they're going to make him fall. Tragedy is almost always a more compelling story (when well-written), then medium-happy endings. But they're not writing a book, they're writing a video game and they don't have the luxury of being completely cavalier about whether or not their fans care. It's interesting that you use Morrigan as an example because they brought her back (in Witch Hunt), and then brought her back again (In DA:I). There are a few people I've heard who are mad at BW for having Solas break up with Quizzie, but most people seem to be in love with the story because there is still the promise that it will work out similarly to how Morrigan's story worked out. I just can't believe that they'd say "screw you guys" and completely deny the possibility of even a mildly happy ending. It might be "good" writing, but it's pretty bad customer relations. They have to balance those two aspects.

[RebbyWriter]

Can I just say how much I love that fact that Solas is getting more love? And moar love = moar fanart!

 

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http://catoncoals.tu...-solas-as#notes

[RynJ]

 

So confusing! Seriously!

 

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It doesn't seem like he wants to kill all non-People right? He's happy when you help regular ol' elves and people. Sure he definitely prefers spirits and the People, but he's not like...heartless. I wish we could see more between when the orb breaks and when he goes to meet Mythal. I feel like there's a change in his perspective there that we don't really get to see the reasoning behind.

 

 

He definitely cares about normal people, even non-elves. He's constantly making comments about "I hope we can help these people" and in Crestwood he keeps saying things like "these people deserved better than this" and they're all human. And he approves of doing little nice things for people and thinks it's important to notify the families of dead soldiers when in all rights he should see that as an insignificant thing. He also comments about the fate of the normal people a lot, something about how when things go back to normal, they'll all just be treated the same as they were and that's not right. He really resents when the common folk are manipulated and used and hates Inquisitors that do that (which is funny considering all the accusations of him being a master manipulator and just using the Inquisitor himself).

 

He totally screams

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God of Rebellion.

Sometimes he and Sera speak the same language even if neither of them realize it.

 

But yeah, I notice that Solas contradicts himself a lot. I wonder if even he knows exactly where he stands.

[zambixi]

He definitely cares about normal people, even non-elves. He's constantly making comments about "I hope we can help these people" and in Crestwood he keeps saying things like "these people deserved better than this" and they're all human. And he approves of doing little nice things for people and thinks it's important to notify the families of dead soldiers when in all rights he should see that as an insignificant thing. He also comments about the fate of the normal people a lot, something about how when things go back to normal, they'll all just be treated the same as they were and that's not right. He really resents when the common folk are manipulated and used and hates Inquisitors that do that (which is funny considering all the accusations of him being a master manipulator and just using the Inquisitor himself).

 

He totally screams

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God of Rebellion.

Sometimes he and Sera speak the same language even if neither of them realize it.

 

But yeah, I notice that Solas contradicts himself a lot. I wonder if even he knows exactly where he stands.

 

He rebels against himself xD

[Addai]

Someone said like twenty pages ago that Solas struggles with mitigating factors and that made a lot of sense to me.

That was me, comparing him to an INTP on the Myers Briggs scale.