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[jellobell]

So, one thing I find interesting - and worrisome - about Solas is his stance on the Wardens and the Blights.

 

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For those who don't know, he seems to think that when the last Archdemons are killed, the Blights will somehow get worse. He doesn't really elaborate. It starts with him questioning Blackwall with a "and then what?" scenario. Then during the Warden storyline he becomes absolutely livid with the Warden's plans to forge into the Deep Roads to slay the Archdemons while they sleep. 

 

Normally I'd write these concerns off as the ignorant  assumptions of a know-it-all, but given what Solas is, it's got me worried that Bioware is suggesting that without the Archdemons to distract them, the darkspawn are going to rise up out of the deep roads en mass and start a super blight or some such nonsense. 

 

It was a stupid plotline when Blizzard used it for the Lich King and the Scourge and it's a stupid plotline now. I'm really hoping that Bioware is going in a different way and I'm jumping to the wrong conclusion.

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I got the feeling that there is indeed something more there, and that ending the Blights is not as simple as just killing the remaining Archdemons (that'd be too easy I guess). As to what exactly will happen, I'm not sure. It's probably tied to what the Taint  and the Darkspawn really are. 

 

I really do love Inquisition, but I hate how we got way more questions than answers.

[DragonRacer]

 

btw I can't believe how fast this thread moves now o__o I was away for one evening and had like fifty pages to catch up on. I had to update the FAQ and put "read FAQ" in the title because some of the same questions were being repeated a lot. Hopefully that helps the flood

 

(remembers when there was like 10 of us and everyone else just said ew he's bald and boring LOL)

 

 

Oh, the good ol' days (of Arlathan), right, Solas? 

 

That's precisely why I simply PM'd you all the posts so far regarding the artifact locations. This thread is quickfire...

[TurtleTape]

I would have loved him with you guys D:
 
but I was avoiding any and all things related to inquisition prior to playing it (other than a trailer or two) so everything would be a surprise D:

A couple of months prerelease I pretty much went into complete media blackout for DA. I unsubbed from gaming and DA subreddits, avoided articles, everything. The only things I'd seen were the brief character profiles and interviews. Totally worth it. Even before then I hadn't been really keeping up. This is really the first time I've been on the boards since the ME3 ending fiasco.

[Chari]

We'll see about the mix. None of those groups like or want to help one another, which is a pity.

Masked Empire spoilers:

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The Dalish flat-out say that they would be better off if all the city elves died with the humans during a war. Briala comes back later and refuses to give them the knowledge she's learned concerning the Eluvians. The ancient elves clearly do not like the city elves or the Dalish, as evidenced by the reaction of whoever killed Felassan, Mythal's general ambivalence, and Solas' general patronizing attitude towards them. I think that Briala + Dalish Inquisitor could work together to unify the elves (especially if an elven warden assisted), but I'm not sure we'll see that in-game because it would only pertain to a small number of players.

Also I thought reading the Masked Empire would offer me some more insight but no. Just finished it and it ends with another mystery come on!

TMI's dalish clan is hardly a universal example. DAO clans were much friendlier if still suspicious and grumpy. Plus Weekes seems to personally dislike the dalish for some reason
A few city elves showed interest in dalish culture too. And, well, ancient elves are either dead or proud, no surprise here
So not everything is so bad. Maybe there is a chance of elves becoming a united nation. It would require their own Andraste, though

[zambixi]

 This is why I feel like my Lavellan is more heartbroken over the elves and their general state of things than from

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Solas leaving her.

The elves really are fragmented, distrustful, and too caught up in their differences and beliefs to come together and work towards something better for their race. Throw in what little we did see of ancient elf attitude to modern elves and you have to wonder if Lavellan doesn't just stand there for a bit and think "WTF am I bothering for?" No option is a good option. They can't stop being elves, any of them, and they aren't in a position to change a whole lot of anything right off. None of the groups seem interested in doing that anyway. They're screwed. And if some choices are made for them, by someone seeking to right his wrong, that's not really any better. Makes me wonder where that's going to go, if anywhere.

 

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I imagine there's the initial after-battle shock. Everything's "over" and she doesn't have a clear direction. Then she realizes that Solas is really gone. And then (if you're like me and fail at the war table), she realizes her clan is gone. She doesn't have Vallaslin anymore, and can't go back to the Dalish pretending she is still ignorant of all they got wrong (if they'd even accept the Herald of Andraste). But she thinks, OK I can try to get them all together. Maybe work with Briala and the Keepers....but the city elves are mostly interested in basic survival and the Dalish are not likely to believe a flat-ear and even if they do they'll still argue about which version of history is right rather than focusing on the present situation of hey your people are starving and don't have a homeland.

 

And at the end she realizes that Solas was probably pretty correct in his assessment and she hates him a little for it. And she wishes he were there because at least he would understand what it's like to have no one believe you or want to help themselves

/headcanon

 

 

Spoiler

I got the feeling that there is indeed something more there, and that ending the Blights is not as simple as just killing the remaining Archdemons (that'd be too easy I guess). As to what exactly will happen, I'm not sure. It's probably tied to what the Taint  and the Darkspawn really are. 

 

I really do love Inquisition, but I hate how we got way more questions than answers.

 

I LOVE IT. I also hate it.

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They've made the world seem so much bigger than it was in the previous games where it was like here's the bad guy now point your sword at it. And it's clever writing on their part, since it pushes the player towards wanting to learn about the past and reclaiming some of it even if that's not always the best option for Thedas. Like choosing the well - sure maybe it will end badly, but think of how much you as a player could learn from having thousands of years of elven knowledge!

[Birdy]

So, one thing I find interesting - and worrisome - about Solas is his stance on the Wardens and the Blights.

 

Spoiler

For those who don't know, he seems to think that when the last Archdemons are killed, the Blights will somehow get worse. He doesn't really elaborate. It starts with him questioning Blackwall with a "and then what?" scenario. Then during the Warden storyline he becomes absolutely livid with the Warden's plans to forge into the Deep Roads to slay the Archdemons while they sleep. 

 

Normally I'd write these concerns off as the ignorant  assumptions of a know-it-all, but given what Solas is, it's got me worried that Bioware is suggesting that without the Archdemons to distract them, the darkspawn are going to rise up out of the deep roads en mass and start a super blight or some such nonsense. 

 

It was a stupid plotline when Blizzard used it for the Lich King and the Scourge and it's a stupid plotline now. I'm really hoping that Bioware is going in a different way and I'm jumping to the wrong conclusion.

That's why I thought the old gods and elf gods are the same. (Someone discribed them as ancient Greece and Rome)  They'd be going off and killing his friends. I don't think it has anything to do with the blight.

 

[Hattress]

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You're right that it makes more sense that he didn't give it to him directly. He also seemed to believe that Cory would die. Not only did that not happen, but Quizzie survives with a magical mark that was still never really explained and can't be removed. That lets someone who is potentially not an elf or even a mage walk bodily in the fade.
 
For a clever trickster god he is very bad at planning. He should just stop and settle down with Quizzie

I think

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Cory did "died" at the big explosion, but survived by taking over a tainted-grey warden's body, which Solas didn't expect

[herkles]

just curious why is it that when people speak of the various gods of thedas, they only talk about the Old Gods of Tevinter and the Elven gods? What about the Avvar gods and goddesses?

 

TMI's dalish clan is hardly a universal example. DAO clans were much friendlier if still suspicious and grumpy. Plus Weekes seems to personally dislike the dalish for some reason
A few city elves showed interest in dalish culture too. And, well, ancient elves are either dead or proud, no surprise here
So not everything is so bad. Maybe there is a chance of elves becoming a united nation. It would require their own Andraste, though

weeks doesn't like the dalish?

 

But I wonder as we are going to tevinter, if this might be something we could do?

[kalasaurus]

 

btw I can't believe how fast this thread moves now o__o I was away for one evening and had like fifty pages to catch up on. I had to update the FAQ and put "read FAQ" in the title because some of the same questions were being repeated a lot. Hopefully that helps the flood

 

(remembers when there was like 10 of us and everyone else just said ew he's bald and boring LOL)

 

Aww... Yeah, I was pretty indifferent towards Solas until I actually played the game and met him.  I tried his romance on a whim (because he was exclusive to a Dalish female, and I thought it must fit for the story/roleplaying- how right I was!).  But, I'm a fan now :3.  I'm really glad I did, even with the sad feels.  I also love this thread!  It's great to read others' experiences and stuff they discovered/theorized about Solas.

[Birdy]

 

btw I can't believe how fast this thread moves now o__o I was away for one evening and had like fifty pages to catch up on. I had to update the FAQ and put "read FAQ" in the title because some of the same questions were being repeated a lot. Hopefully that helps the flood

 

(remembers when there was like 10 of us and everyone else just said ew he's bald and boring LOL)

 

I was too busy obsessing over previous companions and heroes, >.>

[Birdy]

just curious why is it that when people speak of the various gods of thedas, they only talk about the Old Gods of Tevinter and the Elven gods? What about the Avvar gods and goddesses?

 

weeks doesn't like the dalish?

 

But I wonder as we are going to tevinter, if this might be something we could do?

Avvar?  I honestly don't know anything about their religion.  Do we even know much about them?  Nothing like the Old gods and Elven gods

[Chari]

weeks doesn't like the dalish?

TMI made it obvious. Solas kinda too. His dalish are so caricaturely "evil" and "bigoted" it was painful to read. As if he was trying to prove that we shouldn't sympathise with them. Though Bioware generally loves shitting on dalish, often templars and now grey wardens so no surprise here

[Milan92]

TMI made it obvious. Solas kinda too. His dalish are so caricaturely "evil" and "bigoted" it was painful to read. As if he was trying to prove that we shouldn't sympathise with them. Though Bioware generally loves shitting on dalish, often templars and now grey wardens so no surprise here

 

Well they did summon Imshael.

[kalasaurus]

I was too busy obsessing over previous companions and heroes, >.>

 

*thinks back to my past swooning over Alistair*

 

   

 

Cullen's kind of like Alistair 2.0.  I'm surprised I didn't go for him, come to think of it *shrugs*

[Avejajed]

Re: Gods, Elvish Lore & the Chantry

 

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Okay, so I haven't actually thought this out so it's really more thinking out loud than a formed opinion, but.. we know now that the Elvish gods are real. Or at least that a version of them are real. We know that because we've met two. (What is the connection between Fen'harel and Mythal? Why are those the only two at the Temple of Mythal? I'm going to pretend like maybe Fen'Harel is like a son to Mythal.) So all of the other gods, the "good" ones and the "bad" ones too. That's not going to work out that well for Fen'harel- you maybe even if 8/10 gods forgive him for locking them behind a mirror for a zillion years, you'll still have two royally pissed off gods.

 

The regular pantheon of gods and the forgotten ones aside, you still have Andraste (who is a real person) and the Maker. Who may or may not be real but I don't see why the elves gods could be real and not the human god. What if the Maker -is- one of the "forgotten ones" said to be against the elves? Or a god that is really powerful and became "the maker" to the humans through legend. Or maybe all of the forgotten ones are human versions of the elvish gods.  What if Fen'harel accidentally locked up the maker? lol.

 

Nevermind, I'm just rambling now. I just think it's so fascinating all the questions it raises. 

[Birdy]

*thinks back to my past swooning over Alistair*

 

   

 

Cullen's kind of like Alistair 2.0.  I'm surprised I didn't go for him, come to think of it *shrugs*

I totally was aiming for Cullen, and then a sexy elf came along.    There was no stopping it.

[Vylix]

*thinks back to my past swooning over Alistair*

 

   

 

Cullen's kind of like Alistair 2.0.  I'm surprised I didn't go for him, come to think of it *shrugs*

technically 3.0.

Anders in Awakening was Alistair 2.0 xD

[Birdy]

Ha, I was aiming for human mage too.  XD That still hasn't happened

[Mims]

See, I disagree about them being evil.

 

I love the Dalish, but they are a flawed people. No attempt at unity, no attempt at solidarity once they lost the Dales. This doesn't mean that they are wrong or evil. But they are misguided. So are the city elves. So are the ancient elves. Its kind of like an ironic, vicious cycle of blame. The ancient elves look down upon the Dalish elves for emulating their prideful ways, while the Dalish elves look down upon the city elves for bowing to human masters. When in fact, the ancient elves drove the Dalish elves to collapse, and without the solidarity of the people, the city elves had no choice but to succumb. 

 

They are just flawed people. But there are plenty of good things about them. They are tenacious, they are proud. If they unified [which I very much hope we are moving towards], they could become major players again. They just need the support of some equally powerful people. Briala, for one. Perhaps one day, Solas. Or another champion. 

 

Just because a few fall to corruption does not mean Weekes or any of the writers at bioware dislike them. I can't think of a single group on Thedas that does not have its share of ghosts and hypocrisy. 

[zambixi]

TMI's dalish clan is hardly a universal example. DAO clans were much friendlier if still suspicious and grumpy. Plus Weekes seems to personally dislike the dalish for some reason
A few city elves showed interest in dalish culture too. And, well, ancient elves are either dead or proud, no surprise here
So not everything is so bad. Maybe there is a chance of elves becoming a united nation. It would require their own Andraste, though

 

You're right - the Dalish are pretty diverse. I'm thinking that the ones that are most secluded/most knowledgeable of the old ways are the ones that are the least likely to want to help. The DA:2 clan didn't want anything to do with the eluvian or learning about their past - they seemed to just want to survive and get rid of Merrill (and I wouldn't call them exceedingly friendly). The clans that do seek out new knowledge (DA:O and TME clans) seem to get in a lot of trouble.

 

 

TMI made it obvious. Solas kinda too. His dalish are so caricaturely "evil" and "bigoted" it was painful to read. As if he was trying to prove that we shouldn't sympathise with them. Though Bioware generally loves shitting on dalish, often templars and now grey wardens so no surprise here

 

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I disagree. I think he's cutting through the Romanticism that's been built up around the Dalish. It's very easy to see them as these tragic victims that had everything taken away from them and are struggling against the tides of time. We don't know what kind of hand they had in the downfall of Arlathan - maybe they are all descendents of the people that murdered those in uthenara. Maybe they didn't, but they've lived for hundreds of years without helping their kin in alienages except by taking in the few that flee the cities. I think Weekes is just trying to point out that there are no heroes. No organization is perfect; not the Dalish or the Wardens or the Templars. Fits in nicely with Solas' feelings about the intentions of one person vs. a group.

 

But they could one day get better. They need a champion, and all sides need to stop being blind to the things they do not want to see.

 

 

Avvar?  I honestly don't know anything about their religion.  Do we even know much about them?  Nothing like the Old gods and Elven gods

 

We know about a few of their gods. They also practice a lot of spirit magic. They seem to be able to invite spirits to possess their mages and then drive them out. You'd think that'd be a useful skill for Templars to learn but I think it just gives them the heebie-jeebies so they leave them alone. I wonder if we'll learn more about them in the future of it they will continue to be flavor text.

[jellobell]

TMI made it obvious. Solas kinda too. His dalish are so caricaturely "evil" and "bigoted" it was painful to read. As if he was trying to prove that we shouldn't sympathise with them. Though Bioware generally loves shitting on dalish, often templars and now grey wardens so no surprise here

But Inquisition actually made me like the Dalish. Before, I didn't think they were especially well-rounded; just the same old haughty elves that you see in other media. But all of these revelations have made them rather tragic. They're definitely flawed, but flawed isn't bad. I don't think they can just continue on the course they have been; there definitely needs to be some change, but that just makes them all the more interesting.

 

Do Bioware hate the Grey Wardens because Inquisition problematized them and their methods? 

[BubbleDncr]

I think

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Cory did "died" at the big explosion, but survived by taking over a tainted-grey warden's body, which Solas didn't expect

That is really smart. I feel dumb for not realizing that until now.

[DragonRacer]

Avvar?  I honestly don't know anything about their religion.  Do we even know much about them?  Nothing like the Old gods and Elven gods

 

We don't know much. A lot of it they keep within their own culture. They see gods tied to nature and animals, I believe.

 

Only two I can name are Korth the Mountain-Father and the Lady of the Skies. Or something along those lines.

[Mims]

That is really smart. I feel dumb for not realizing that until now.

 

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I could be wrong, but its implied that's what he did at the end of the DA2 DLC, right? At least, that's what I always assumed. 

[Sister Goldring]

I was a complete non believer in the appeal of Solas.  I thought he sounded interesting but I couldn't see 'it' myself.  However, I was completely wrong, he's wonderful and I was hooked by the end of the prologue.  It was lucky I rolled a human female first of because I'm not sure I would have had the will to continue with my Cullen romance (that I'd waited years for!) instead of chucking him for Baldy right off the bat.  

 

I've naturally immediately started up a second playthrough as a fem Dalish PC and all I really wanted to say is that Patrick Weekes is amazing and has written a fine character - again.  Also endgame spoiler - OMG.  

 

PS - I still love Cullen though, it's just not exclusive any more.