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[kalasaurus]

Am I the only one who'd enjoy seeing an option in DLC to have Solas's child (even if for potentially nefarious reasons)?  As long as it's not forced on Female Elf Inquisitor... I'd love to see it.  I might even choose that option every time I played a female elf.

 

I'd go for it if that were a choice (and maybe throw in a nice love making scene   ???).  Yeah, I think that could be an interesting addition to their romance arc.

[HurricaneGinger]

I...I'm confused. I just netted a ton of disapproval from Solas from asking the templars to be our allies? I thought he was supposed to approve.

[Nyaore]

I...I'm confused. I just netted a ton of disapproval from Solas from asking the templars to be our allies? I thought he was supposed to approve.

I think he only approves if you disband them.

[Nika]

I...I'm confused. I just netted a ton of disapproval from Solas from asking the templars to be our allies? I thought he was supposed to approve.

He only approves if you conscript them

[HurricaneGinger]

I think he only approves if you disband them.

He only approves if you conscript them

 

THE FREAKIN GUIDE LIED TO ME

 

YOU CALL THIS GUIDE

 

THIS ISN'T A GUIDE

 

IT'S LIES 

 

Oh well. Reload. XD

[Sable Rhapsody]

IT WORKED! lol hehe So I went back to my save RIGHT before the Solas mission in the Exalted Plains, I went to Skyhold, broke up with Cullen (so sad to do it, but will romance him as a human in another playthrough) went back to save the spirit without killing it. Then back at Skyhold, there was a flirt option for Solas. Then when we talk in private up in my chambers, he tells me that he ''never forgot the kiss'' and we kiss again. Although I have to deal with Cullen not wanting to speak with me, I hate breakups, even in game ones lol I get my Solas romance. Didn't want to have to reroll another Elf. I want to do it, Elf, Qunari, Human. At least 3 plays of the game. So as far as romance goes, since Solas is only elves, it has to be him this time, then it will be Iron Bull and Cullen. 

 

Yay pajama elf!

 

Though Cullen is certainly extremely awesome too.  My best friend romanced him, and she and I are going to trade savegames so we can see the romance content without adding yet another replay of the game to our lists.

[Nyaore]

THE FREAKIN GUIDE LIED TO ME

 

YOU CALL THIS GUIDE

 

THIS ISN'T A GUIDE

 

IT'S LIES 

 

Oh well. Reload. XD

Yeah... The more I go through the guide the more I feel it was a botch job. It's pretty at least but DAMN is it useless for many things.

[Lulumi_Lumi]

About pregnancy mentioned a few pages ago

Spoiler

 

I'm also curious how exactly pregnancy works when it comes to the old gods. Did Flemeth had Morrigan before she became Mythal or after? Also Morrigan's child, is he also an old elven god since we learned that archdemons = old elven gods?

[piratadellenubi]

Hello everyone, I wanted to know, in the central lands, I have met venatori , after defeating them, solas said he sent them by corypheus, is normal solas've talked about this character already now when you do not know anything yet?

[TheComfyCat]

Lots of sad songs on the Solavellen playlist. I think this song works (from Solas's perspective, while they're still together), and it's more upbeat...

 

 

Yeah, somehow it's still kinda depressing (lol).

[Nyaore]

About pregnancy mentioned a few pages ago

Spoiler

 

I'm also curious how exactly pregnancy works when it comes to the old gods. Did Flemeth had Morrigan before she became Mythal or after? Also Morrigan's child, is he also an old elven god since we learned that archdemons = old elven gods?

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After, if you go off the assumption that Flemeth's past happened hundreds of years ago given Morrigan's tale of Conobar, and that Morrigan is mortal herself and does not expound upon any lengthened life.

http://dragonage.wik..._entry:_Flemeth

Also were was it said that the Old Gods and the Gods of the Elvhen are the same?

[Doveberry]

I cannot get over how freaking accurate this is...

 

From: http://slowlyintothe...las-my-heart-me

 

solas: my heart

me:

 

[animedreamer]

To expand on this

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When Abelas says that he has no reason to stay at the Temple of Mythal, being that the Well is gone, Solas addresses him saying: "your people yet linger."

 

Abelas questions: Elvhen such as you?

 

And Solas responds: Yes, such as me.

 

So, there are Elvhen -- the Immortal elves -- around somewhere. Solas knows they're there, but where? It's hard to say. Which, makes me think his line to Flemeth about The People needing him is more about the Elvhen than the Dalish.

 

I just don't like that it makes it sound like their is a bigger distinction between the Elves. Yes in story wise it is already confirmed that Elves have been altered due to their association with humans, but if what you mention is true, it actually makes the present day Elves like the Dalish Elves, more like Half Elves, and that hurts even more, especially when you consider the Shem'len line. Elves shouldn't be segregating themselves like that.

[animedreamer]

I always only do one romance per playthrough i don't much like the idea of breaking up with one character just to romance someone else, i like to think my characters are committed to their relationships, though I also decided to give up on Cassandra in one play through as i didn't know you had to advance the story to a certain point before her romance mission opened up.

[Nyaore]

I just don't like that it makes it sound like their is a bigger distinction between the Elves. Yes in story wise it is already confirmed that Elves have been altered due to their association with humans, but if what you mention is true, it actually makes the present day Elves like the Dalish Elves, more like Half Elves, and that hurts even more, especially when you consider the Shem'len line. Elves shouldn't be segregating themselves like that.

The way he says it though makes me wonder if there's truly something there beyond what we're seeing. If I was in Abelas' place, or even amongst the survivors he commands, I wouldn't feel so strongly against the direct descendants of my people. Not without a VERY good reason. One that I don't think is quite provided with the potential explanation that some of the Dalish that stumbled upon the Temple might not have had it's best interests or their best interests at heart. Something is missing and it's bugging me. D:

[Vaseldwa]

How I felt after Solas's romance. 

 

Spoiler

https://www.youtube....h?v=iY17nf6kvw4

 

[Sifr]

About pregnancy mentioned a few pages ago

Spoiler

 

I'm also curious how exactly pregnancy works when it comes to the old gods. Did Flemeth had Morrigan before she became Mythal or after? Also Morrigan's child, is he also an old elven god since we learned that archdemons = old elven gods?

 

Regarding pregnancy, my take on it is that;

 

Spoiler

While Flemeth does possess the soul of Mythal and has survived the Ages by possessing her daughters, she's still physically human and so the normal rules of aging and procreation apply to her. This seems to be borne out as Morrigan implies that she's not particularly that old in Origins and mentions that while her mother is centuries old, she herself has a lifespan that's barely a fraction of that.

 

As for Morrigan's child, while he's got the soul of an Old God, he's likewise appears to be completely human (or a half-human, half-elven/dwarven hybrid) and has aged at the normal rate you'd expect for a kid of twelve.

 

If Solas had a hypothetical baby with the Elfquisitor, my suspicion is that it'd be Elven, but it'd probably end up being a mage with a lot of tricks up their sleeves. Heck, any kind of Inquisitor and LI would probably end up with such an offspring, due to the Anchor and if you drank at the Well of Sorrows?

[Ajna]

I think what stings the most is that a Solasmancing femLavellan Inquisitor is the only one to be left alone, as far as I know it's possible to keep all other LI's through choices, I know it's very plot relevant and there's no choice, but it still hurts.

 

Edit:  Wtf?  I totally meant to post this in a different thread...

[Doveberry]

The way he says it though makes me wonder if there's truly something there beyond what we're seeing. If I was in Abelas' place, or even amongst the survivors he commands, I wouldn't feel so strongly against the direct descendants of my people. Not without a VERY good reason. One that I don't think is quite provided with the potential explanation that some of the Dalish that stumbled upon the Temple might not have had it's best interests or their best interests at heart. Something is missing and it's bugging me. D:

I think it's very significant that neither Abelas nor Solas...

Spoiler

... consider the Dalish to be elvhen. Abelas consistently calls a Dalish Inquisitor "shem", because to him that's what he/she is. And he clearly recognizes that Solas is different, because he refers to Solas as elvhen. Solas answers in the affirmative when this comes up as well. If Solas had considered the present elvish members of the Inquisition to be elvhen, he would have said "yes, such as us", rather than specifically just saying "yes, such as I". I'm fairly certain that Solas has no interest in saving the current elves; he wants to bring back the real elvhen, and I have a sneaking suspicion that he intends to bring down the veil to make that happen. This matches with what Cole says about the Solas/Inquisitor romance as well. "You're real, and it means everyone could be real". I took that to mean that Solas recognizes that perhaps the Inquisitor is elvhen after all, but that can't be true, because that would mean that the elves are worth saving. It would mean that it would be alright for him to give up on bringing back the world that he lost. And he can't do that. He clearly feels that his duty is to his people; the true elves. I think that he means to bring them back, whatever the cost. That is also, I believe, what he means when he says that "The People" need him. He doesn't mean the modern elves, he means the elves of Elvhenan. In the eyes of Solas and Abelas, the modern elves might as well be humans. They're a shadow of the elvhen, so far removed from their origins that they have virtually nothing in common with their ancestors. The fact that the Dalish walk around talking about themselves as "the last of the elvhenan" cannot be considered anything but an affront when viewed from that perspective. They're essentially a mockery of what the elves once were, and probably a painful reminder of what was lost.

 

Edit: I suspect that this is also a major factor in why he breaks things off with Lavellan. She represents the true end of a world that he is not prepared to lose (despite the fact that it is already lost).

[M i l k y]

I need to talk about that scene after the well of sorrows, like, right now!

 

Spoiler

I don't think there are words to describe how beautiful it was. I'm glad I saved just before speaking with him, because I'm going to need to watch it over and over again.

 

My Lavellan let him remove her vallaslin and it felt so deeply intimate, I legit started tearing up. And then when he was gazing down at her... they really were spot on with the facial expressions - you could really see the sadness in her. Thumbs up, Bioware!

 

I have to say this is one of my favourite romance scenes in any Bioware game, hands down. I LOVED IT!

[Nyaore]

I think it's very significant that neither Abelas nor Solas...

Spoiler

... consider the Dalish to be elvhen. Abelas consistently calls a Dalish Inquisitor "shem", because to him that's what he/she is. And he clearly recognizes that Solas is different, because he refers to Solas as elvhen. Solas answers in the affirmative when this comes up as well. If Solas had considered the present elvish members of the Inquisition to be elvhen, he would have said "yes, such as us", rather than specifically just saying "yes, such as I". I'm fairly certain that Solas has no interest in saving the current elves; he wants to bring back the real elvhen, and I have a sneaking suspicion that he intends to bring down the veil to make that happen. This matches with what Cole says about the Solas/Inquisitor romance as well. "You're real, and it means everyone could be real". I took that to mean that Solas recognizes that perhaps the Inquisitor is elvhen after all, but that can't be true, because that would mean that the elves are worth saving. And he feels that his duty is to his people; the true elves. I think that he means to bring them back, whatever the cost. That is also, I believe, what he means when he says that "The People" need him. He doesn't mean the modern elves, he means the elves of Elvhenan. In the eyes of Solas and Abelas, the modern elves might as well be humans. They're a shadow of the elvhen, so far removed from their origins that they have virtually nothing in common with their ancestors. The fact that the Dalish walk around talking about themselves as "the last of the elvhenan" cannot be considered anything but an affront when viewed from that perspective.

If I could give you my entire quota of likes right now, I would do it without hesitation. I think you hit the nail on the head wonderfully on each point.

[Sifr]

I think it's very significant that neither Abelas nor Solas...

Spoiler

... consider the Dalish to be elvhen. Abelas consistently calls a Dalish Inquisitor "shem", because to him that's what he/she is. And he clearly recognizes that Solas is different, because he refers to Solas as elvhen. Solas answers in the affirmative when this comes up as well. If Solas had considered the present elvish members of the Inquisition to be elvhen, he would have said "yes, such as us", rather than specifically just saying "yes, such as I". I'm fairly certain that Solas has no interest in saving the current elves; he wants to bring back the real elvhen, and I have a sneaking suspicion that he intends to bring down the veil to make that happen. This matches with what Cole says about the Solas/Inquisitor romance as well. "You're real, and it means everyone could be real". I took that to mean that Solas recognizes that perhaps the Inquisitor is elvhen after all, but that can't be true, because that would mean that the elves are worth saving. It would mean that it would be alright to give up on bringing back the world that he lost. And he clearly feels that his duty is to his people; the true elves. I think that he means to bring them back, whatever the cost. That is also, I believe, what he means when he says that "The People" need him. He doesn't mean the modern elves, he means the elves of Elvhenan. In the eyes of Solas and Abelas, the modern elves might as well be humans. They're a shadow of the elvhen, so far removed from their origins that they have virtually nothing in common with their ancestors. The fact that the Dalish walk around talking about themselves as "the last of the elvhenan" cannot be considered anything but an affront when viewed from that perspective.

 

You're completely right, it probably seems to Solas and Abelas that the Dalish are nothing more than a bunch of kids walking around in their mum's lipstick and dad's shoes (or vice versa, no judgements here), who are content to ignore their brethren in the cities living subservient to humans and instead remain homeless in the woods, playing pass the whisper with their history and all the while pretending that their ignorant aping of half-forgotten customs somehow makes them the "real" Elves.

[animedreamer]

I think it's very significant that neither Abelas nor Solas...

Spoiler

... consider the Dalish to be elvhen. Abelas consistently calls a Dalish Inquisitor "shem", because to him that's what he/she is. And he clearly recognizes that Solas is different, because he refers to Solas as elvhen. Solas answers in the affirmative when this comes up as well. If Solas had considered the present elvish members of the Inquisition to be elvhen, he would have said "yes, such as us", rather than specifically just saying "yes, such as I". I'm fairly certain that Solas has no interest in saving the current elves; he wants to bring back the real elvhen, and I have a sneaking suspicion that he intends to bring down the veil to make that happen. This matches with what Cole says about the Solas/Inquisitor romance as well. "You're real, and it means everyone could be real". I took that to mean that Solas recognizes that perhaps the Inquisitor is elvhen after all, but that can't be true, because that would mean that the elves are worth saving. It would mean that it would be alright to give up on bringing back the world that he lost. And he clearly feels that his duty is to his people; the true elves. I think that he means to bring them back, whatever the cost. That is also, I believe, what he means when he says that "The People" need him. He doesn't mean the modern elves, he means the elves of Elvhenan. In the eyes of Solas and Abelas, the modern elves might as well be humans. They're a shadow of the elvhen, so far removed from their origins that they have virtually nothing in common with their ancestors. The fact that the Dalish walk around talking about themselves as "the last of the elvhenan" cannot be considered anything but an affront when viewed from that perspective.

 

And that's what hurts the most.

 

Also consider this, throughout my playthrough despite being Lavellan, Solas continuously comments, that he can feel the presence of an artifact of "His" people, i don't think that was just programming oversight on the writers part, that sounds way to intentional. He's not talking about the modern day Elves, though i didn't recognize that until right around the end.

 

Also think about one of his conversations with Sera. He mentions at the end of a party banter that Sera is far from what she was meant to be. What a ominous thing to say when you think about it now. If you didn't know about the different perspective the ancient elves have towards modern elves, you wouldn't think much of it, but now that we know the implications is that Solas really does see these elves as derelicts, but he reaches out to Sera so many times even humoring her on a few occasions. It's so sad. 

 

I didn't pick the option where you can tell Abelas he could help the Elves or whatever because at that time I just got a sickening feeling that it would get a negative response from him or at the least a disrespectful reply to Lavellan herself, i didn't want to get burned twice.

 

Lavellan as the First ot her clan in my playthrough is almost certainly obligated to go to her fellow Dalish and inform them of this revelation. As much as it might hurt, the Dalish need to change and this is one of those things that would definitely set them straight and hopefully unite and strengthen them and help them create a new future for themselves. Strangely, Sera isn't so wrong with her views now, no matter how much I identify with the Dalish and their ideals/goals/hopes. Sera sees the Elves being Elves as something that is a relic, a piece of history that is no longer deserving of being venerated, she sees herself as just people, no more and no less than any other person. It might be the Dalish need to be brought down a peg to see this same level of logic. Im not advocating they mix completely with human society but there is no longer a defined purpose to hold themselves up to such lofty interpretations of a distant past that no longer wants them.

[Doveberry]

If I could give you my entire quota of likes right now, I would do it without hesitation. I think you hit the nail on the head wonderfully on each point.

Aw.

Thanks for bringing it up. I hadn't thoroughly thought about the issue before now.

 

Also, sorry for editing the post so much. I kept thinking of new things to add.

[Miss This or That]

There is no longer a defined purpose to hold themselves up to such lofty interpretations of a distant past that no longer wants them.

 

This. This. This.
 

This makes me so sad! Because it's true: Neither Abelas nor Solas actually want the Dalish (or City Elves) as their people. They don't care. Solas is actually totally troubled after he notices that Lavellan is more than what she seems - and that other elves could be just like her. It's that one little diamond in a sea of sand for him, makes her unique and gives her a very powerful spirit. But that's not exactly what Lavellan wants, because, well, even if you play as a Lavellan that admits the Dalish didn't make her that way she would still try to save the elves, her people, in general. (Or maybe she says "**** you!" and follows Solas' beliefs...but would the Inquisitor really do that?)

 

I can actually see some kind of very heartwrenching option in the future, where Solas gives her the option to 'become' one of his people because of her rare spirit and thus go against all the other elves that exist in modern Thedas, or stay at the side of her people but go against him in the process.