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[Mims]

Yeah, I doubt whatever he's doing is going to do Lavellan any favors.

 

 

Isn't calling what he's done a mistake kind of saying that the elves would be better off as slaves in his time than whatever they are now? I wonder if whatever he does will end up in the current elves being enslaved. I almost want to see his reaction to that.

 

Agreed on him not having completely altruistic intentions. Actually, his intentions are potentially extremely self-centered depending on how bad things get once he does whatever it is he's planning.

 

I think its very possible he could think that the city elves/Dalish would be happier as slaves under the ancient elves than living the existence they are currently living in. We don't know how slavery was treated in the old empire. Slave can run the gamut from 'servant' all the way down to 'potential sacrifices'. 

 

But under human rule, Dalish are forced to keep moving through forests. Slowly dying off either through their own folly or bandits. City elves live in squalor, constantly subjected to abuse, murder, and rape by their masters. Other than Lavellan and a few others, no elf seems to have their own agency. Elves like Sera might be dismissed because they essentially took 'freedom' by adopting a human mindset. 

 

It could be that Solas thinks that the modern elves would be happier the way things were. They might have been slaves, but they lived surrounded by their own culture. 

 

Just speculation, of course. But if Solas did break the old empire on behalf of the slaves of old, it probably would be quite horrifying to find out that he only delivered them into the hands of even worse masters. 

[Tielis]

I think its very possible he could think that the city elves/Dalish would be happier as slaves under the ancient elves than living the existence they are currently living in. We don't know how slavery was treated in the old empire. Slave can run the gamut from 'servant' all the way down to 'potential sacrifices'. 

 

But under human rule, Dalish are forced to keep moving through forests. Slowly dying off either through their own folly or bandits. City elves live in squalor, constantly subjected to abuse, murder, and rape by their masters. Other than Lavellan and a few others, no elf seems to have their own agency. Elves like Sera might be dismissed because they essentially took 'freedom' by adopting a human mindset. 

 

It could be that Solas thinks that the modern elves would be happier the way things were. They might have been slaves, but they lived surrounded by their own culture. 

 

Just speculation, of course. But if Solas did break the old empire on behalf of the slaves of old, it probably would be quite horrifying to find out that he only delivered them into the hands of even worse masters. 

 

I disagree.  Pretty much the Qunari and Tevinter are recreations of Elvhenan, and he really really hates them.

[Sifr]

The thing is though, is that the "Elven Gods" may not have been gods in the same aspect as the "Maker" in terms of Chantry belief, rather they may have been powerful mages, or entirely different beings in truth, as oppose to some ideal mythical god figure with omnipotent abilities/powers.

 

That's my take on it as well, that both the Maker, the Elven Gods and the Old Gods are powerful beings that are worshipped as Gods, but not necessarily "true" Gods or even the actual creators of the world. The devs have said they've going to leave it vague about this matter and personally I find it a lot more interesting to have a major pantheon of various God-level entities in one setting, rather than one true religion.

 

For those who watched Supernatural, was I the only one who found the show less fun and felt it went downhill slightly when they decided to throw in the towel with various pagan and ancient Gods existing alongside each other and made it overt that the Abrahamic God was the show's one true God post-Season 4? It sort of spoiled the mystery for me after that, as I liked it being purposefully vague when it came to any of the various religions mentioned? It'd be a shame if they made any of the various DA religions the dominant one, as it'd diminish the others?

[scintilla]

 

I don't think he looks down on him as much as you're saying he does.

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First, he constantly tries to teach Sera and Lavellan about what actually happened and what actually used to be in the world. If he hated them or thought them incapable, he would just write them off and that would be the end of it. If the Dalish and City Elves came to him asking for advice and wisdom, I think he would share it happily. The thing he does not like, is that when he tries to share what he knows they cast him off.

 

I also never got the impression that he hates Dalish culture in practice. It seems he's more sad at how far they have come from the Empire, and how they cling to things that he believes were the worst parts of Elven culture. The fact that they do so with impunity is - again - what I think gets under his skin. He never says "Lavellan riding around on halla is dumb why don't you just use horses?" or something like that. He's not really insensitive. He just values the truth and scorns ignorance of it. Sort of like how you can't be mad at a child for not knowing that an stove is hot but you'll be sort of annoyed when they insist on touching it after you tell them.

 

And if you hear what he has to say and come to a different conclusion (i.e. during the Vallaslin scene), he still says that you are "perfect". He doesn't deride you for coming to the conclusion that the marks have been reclaimed and have a different meaning, because that is a logical conclusion to make and he can respect it. He would totally be mad if you called him a lunatic and told him he should stop making stuff up (it's telling that even the through the "angry" option it still sounds like Lavellan believes him. She's just mad that he always picks on the Dalish).

 

 

 

He is often blinded by his pride. But I think his goals stem from more than an obligation to his People. I'm going to try to construct an imperfect metaphor here:

 

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Imagine that you are transported to 1500's North America. Everyone is dying of smallpox. For reasons, you have access to and can make the smallpox vaccine. You know that this vaccine is great, that it would save thousands of lives and prevent the loss of many years of culture and progress. You go around telling everyone about this vaccine and how wonderful it is and how they should let you administer it because it will save lives. First, no one has any idea what a vaccine is, so you can't begin to explain to them how or why it would help as they lack even a basic knowledge of biology. Never minding the fact that you do not share a culture with them, so you might not know how to appeal to their sensibilities generally, and communication might be impossible (do you bow when you enter their village? do you speak to the mayor/leader first or only after speaking to everyone else? what gestures are seen as threatening?). You get run out of town, repeatedly. Meanwhile people continue to die. They continue to resist this knowledge that you have that would make everything better. That knowledge that you have always had and have taken for granted. To them, smallpox is a way of life and there's nothing wrong with people dying. They don't need to change the status quo and can't imagine anything better. They call you a witch or a demon and act very proud that they were able to resist your tricks. You have two options: you can let a bunch of people die, or you can start administering the vaccine by force and hoping that people will thank you for it later.

 

I think whatever knowledge Solas has, he thinks of it as a vaccine. He thinks doing whatever he's doing is the "better" option even if it results in the loss of some other things that the current people think are important. That's my view anyway

 

On how much he looks down on others:

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I think if he hates anything it's the culture. He clearly cares about people as people but he can't stand any of the cultures of the present. I do think he sees the current elves as "lesser" though. I said in another comment that saying he made a mistake, without acknowledging positive changes, is kind of saying that the slavery of his time was better than whatever they have now. He also seems perfectly willing to blame the Dalish for what they are. Never mind that they inherited their false beliefs, it's the current generations fault that they believe it.

 

I think Sifr's comment about him playing chess with outdated rules and half the pieces is pretty accurate. There's a lot of history he just doesn't seem to care about that affects how things are for the elves now.

 

On the metaphor:

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The difference is that the Dalish mistakes aren't killing them. What's killing the Dalish is their lack of unity and probably no small bit their arrogance. Being arrogant about something false isn't really all that different from being arrogant about something true in this particular case though.

 

Also, where's his proof? He seems to expect people to listen to him just because. He can't actually prove anything he says about ancient elven culture. And why would it be better if they knew the truth? He cares because it's wrong but the Dalish have turned the falsehoods into a form of strength. It may not be true but the beliefs unify them as Dalish.

[Mims]

I disagree.  Pretty much the Qunari and Tevinter are recreations of Elvhenan, and he really really hates them.

 

I'm just speculating, of course. We don't actually know what went on to cause him to break everything. But he would have had to have hated the Elvhenan society to also break it. So I don't think being critical of the Qunari and Tevinter completely dismisses it. I just think in that scenario, he might think it the lesser of a set of bad choices. Sort of like- things were bad before, but they weren't this bad. 

[scintilla]

I think its very possible he could think that the city elves/Dalish would be happier as slaves under the ancient elves than living the existence they are currently living in. We don't know how slavery was treated in the old empire. Slave can run the gamut from 'servant' all the way down to 'potential sacrifices'. 

 

This may be true. The elves aren't really 'free' in the present either. That just runs into Solas looking to the past for a solution rather than dealing with present problems in the present.

[Miss This or That]

Also, where's his proof? He seems to expect people to listen to him just because. He can't actually prove anything he says about ancient elven culture. And why would it be better if they knew the truth? He cares because it's wrong but the Dalish have turned the falsehoods into a form of strength. It may not be true but the beliefs unify them as Dalish

 

 

I think he has proof - somehow - but he won't show it because it would be bad for his plans. If he shows what kind of proof he has and the Dalish go "That's all fine and well, but even so, we don't want your way of living. We are fine on our own and will learn from the proof that you showed us.", then that is not what he wants. The Dalish and all Elves would, at best, learn from what he showed them. But they would certainly not go back to the time that Solas deems perfect. Why? Because the Dalish themselves do not belong in that time...we don't even have to talk about the City Elves. He himself doesn't even acknowledge the current elves as his people, so why would they even want to go back to that time when they were just slaves?

[Mims]

This may be true. The elves aren't really 'free' in the present either. That just runs into Solas looking to the past for a solution rather than dealing with present problems in the present.

 

Oh, definitely. I think regardless of what Solas is after, he's looking to the past rather than trying to fix things in the present. 

[Solas]

Re: a sex scene

 

Maybe I'm in the minority here - when I played through the Solas romance, I didn't actually register the lack of a sex scene. I didn't really notice that there wasn't one and it didn't bother me that there wasn't one. I can't really think of what a sex scene would add to the romance that isn't already there - the sense of intimacy between them, the depth of emotion, etc. I don't think a romance needs to have a sex scene in order to be mature, deep or fulfilling.

 

I do think that the writers went about sex in the Solas romance in the right way - leaving it up to the individual player to decide, more or less, was a good idea imo given Solas' true nature and all that that entails. There is certainly enough allusions to Solas and Lavellan being sexually intimate present anyway to support them having that kind of relationship if you prefer to think of them in that way.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about future Solavellan content (ex. DLC) having a sex scene included if I'm honest. All of the other female-available male LIs (Cullen, Iron Bull & Blackwall) come with a sex scene attached to the romance iirc? I'm not asexual but I think it is important for at least one of the female-available male LIs to not have a sex scene associated with it. I don't like the idea of all romance paths forcing sex between the PC and the character on the player. Iirc there's no sex scene with Josie and I like that there's a female-available female LI that allows for this. 

[Zaori]

Pretty old, I guess, but still

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God bless this man? God bless this man

Poor excuse for lack of content, mister Weekes.  

 

[scintilla]

I think he has proof - somehow - but he won't show it because it would be bad for his plans. If he shows what kind of proof he has and the Dalish go "That's all fine and well, but even so, we don't want your way of living. We are fine on our own and will learn from the proof that you showed us.", then that is not what he wants. The Dalish and all Elves would, at best, learn from what he showed them. But they would certainly not go back to the time that Solas deems perfect. Why? Because the Dalish themselves do not belong in that time...we don't even have to talk about the City Elves. He himself doesn't even acknowledge the current elves as his people, so why would they even want to go back to that time when they were just slaves?

 

He knows it wasn't perfect, I think. But whatever negative thing he was trying to stop/get rid of with his plan, he also lost everything he loved about his time and culture. I think that's definitely clouding his view of things to some extent. He clearly sees it as a mistake to give up the good along with the bad.

 

I wonder what he was trying to stop/get rid of and just how bad it was? I don't necessarily think it was slavery, just that slavery still existed when he did whatever he did.

[Miss This or That]

He knows it wasn't perfect, I think. But whatever negative thing he was trying to stop/get rid of with his plan, he also lost everything he loved about his time and culture. I think that's definitely clouding his view of things to some extent. He clearly sees it as a mistake to give up the good along with the bad.

 

I wonder what he was trying to stop/get rid of and just how bad it was? I don't necessarily think it was slavery, just that slavery still existed when he did whatever he did.

 

Well, yes, probably not perfect. But he still prefers it in comparison to modern Thedas and I can't imagine the Dalish accepting the fact that he wants to go back to that time when he doesn't even consider the Dalish his people. It's...as if he's like "Guys, check out this time when everything sang the same!" the elves go "Oh, yeah, cool! Glad that you brought proof - but please, no slavery!" and he's like "Well, you clearly lack the knowledge to choose for yourselves, so I'm gonna do what's best for you (but really just for MY people), 'kay?" It is as if he is playing 'big daddy' with a bunch of kids that he met for the first time. That can't end well.

[scintilla]

Well, yes, probably not perfect. But he still prefers it in comparison to modern Thedas and I can't imagine the Dalish accepting the fact that he wants to go back to that time when he doesn't even consider the Dalish his people. It's...as if he's like "Guys, check out this time when everything sang the same!" the elves go "Oh, yeah, cool! Glad that you brought proof - but please, no slavery!" and he's like "Well, you clearly lack the knowledge to choose for yourselves, so I'm gonna do what's best for you (but really just for MY people), 'kay?" It is as if he is playing 'big daddy' with a bunch of kids that he met for the first time. That can't end well.

 

Yyyeah, the whole "you people wouldn't even exist in my ideal world" thing is a bit of a problem, I think.

 

Also maybe an explanation for the nameless thing that has been bothering me a bit about the romance. Lavellan wouldn't even exist in his ideal world.

[zambixi]

 

 

 

On how much he looks down on others:

I think if he hates anything it's the culture. He clearly cares about people as people but he can't stand any of the cultures of the present. I do think he sees the current elves as "lesser" though. I said in another comment that saying he made a mistake, without acknowledging positive changes, is kind of saying that the slavery of his time was better than whatever they have now. He also seems perfectly willing to blame the Dalish for what they are. Never mind that they inherited their false beliefs, it's the current generations fault that they believe it.

 

I think Sifr's comment about him playing chess with outdated rules and half the pieces is pretty accurate. There's a lot of history he just doesn't seem to care about that affects how things are for the elves now.

 

On the metaphor:

The difference is that the Dalish mistakes aren't killing them. What's killing the Dalish is their lack of unity and probably no small bit their arrogance. Being arrogant about something false isn't really all that different from being arrogant about something true in this particular case though.

 

Also, where's his proof? He seems to expect people to listen to him just because. He can't actually prove anything he says about ancient elven culture. And why would it be better if they knew the truth? He cares because it's wrong but the Dalish have turned the falsehoods into a form of strength. It may not be true but the beliefs unify them as Dalish.

 

 

We'll probably have to agree to disagree on whether his frustration with the Dalish comes from their willful ignorance or just the ignorance itself. I still thinks he hopes that the Dalish will come around. In the same way that I hope my sexist relatives can one day stop being sexist and join me "in the light." Maybe that's what's going on -- I'm projecting a bit because I can sympathize with Solas as a character that sees something so clearly while everyone else stubbornly clings to something that seems so wrong to him.

 

Anyway, regarding whether or not the Dalish actions are harmful:

 

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But the Dalish's mistakes are absolutely killing them. We haven't had a DA game where there's not an option for a Dalish clan to be completely wiped off the map. It even comes up pretty frequently in the books and codex: one clan and most of an alienage are destroyed in TME. Not to mention that there are several mentions in the lore of how difficult it is for them to maintain their population disregarding people trying to kill them all the time - especially their population of mages/keepers - due to the constraints of being a nomadic people. Keep in mind they only meet every decade or so as well; any information gleaned in the meantime is lost if that clan gets wiped from the map before the next gathering. They are dying, both as a people and as a culture. I don't disagree with Solas there at all.

 

I think he has proof - somehow - but he won't show it because it would be bad for his plans. If he shows what kind of proof he has and the Dalish go "That's all fine and well, but even so, we don't want your way of living. We are fine on our own and will learn from the proof that you showed us.", then that is not what he wants. The Dalish and all Elves would, at best, learn from what he showed them. But they would certainly not go back to the time that Solas deems perfect. Why? Because the Dalish themselves do not belong in that time...we don't even have to talk about the City Elves. He himself doesn't even acknowledge the current elves as his people, so why would they even want to go back to that time when they were just slaves?

 

This is the part that makes me mad/sad. How do you explain something that you know someone can't comprehend? I keep thinking of the parent/child line of analogies. If you know that something is better for a child but they still resist do you make them do it anyway? I can't count the number of times my mom forced me to wear a coat going outside because she knew I'd be cold even if I didn't believe her. Sure this is much bigger than that, but I think Solas' line of reasoning is the same. 

 

The Dalish believe that their Keepers are descendents of the elven nobility, so they might very well want to go back to Arlathan. They would probably think that they would be the ones in power, and there's no shortage of Dalish that believe they're better than the other elves. I would guess that unless Solas flat-out told them "you're going to be slaves," they would assume someone else would do it. The "not me" syndrome. It's easy to trade someone else's freedom when you think you're getting an all-powerful magical empire in return.

 

I do think he sees himself as a tragic lone-wolf character leading a rebellion against forces for the betterment of the people too ignorant to understand. I don't like it, and I wish he would "settle" for the more mundane route of slowly working with the Dalish/City Elves to build a new society. It would be harder, and probably take thousands of years, but it would show that he understands that one can't just bring back the past and hope everything will be OK. And that he can acknowledge the autonomy of the elves even if he doesn't believe they are taking the best route.

 

Re: a sex scene

 

Maybe I'm in the minority here - when I played through the Solas romance, I didn't actually register the lack of a sex scene. I didn't really notice that there wasn't one and it didn't bother me that there wasn't one. I can't really think of what a sex scene would add to the romance that isn't already there - the sense of intimacy between them, the depth of emotion, etc. I don't think a romance needs to have a sex scene in order to be mature, deep or fulfilling.

 

I do think that the writers went about sex in the Solas romance in the right way - leaving it up to the individual player to decide, more or less, was a good idea imo given Solas' true nature and all that that entails. There is certainly enough allusions to Solas and Lavellan being sexually intimate present anyway to support them having that kind of relationship if you prefer to think of them in that way.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about future Solavellan content (ex. DLC) having a sex scene included if I'm honest. All of the other female-available male LIs (Cullen, Iron Bull & Blackwall) come with a sex scene attached to the romance iirc? I'm not asexual but I think it is important for at least one of the female-available male LIs to not have a sex scene associated with it. I don't like the idea of all romance paths forcing sex between the PC and the character on the player. Iirc there's no sex scene with Josie and I like that there's a female-available female LI that allows for this. 

 

I wouldn't mind a fade-to-black scene in future Solavellan content. No one has to be shirtless, they just start kissing and then it fades out suggestively. Part of this is because I don't think BW can animate things that will be as vivid as what fanfiction writers can put out smut-wise, and part of it is because like you said - Solavellan is more intellectual/spiritual than physical I do find it interesting that Josie and Solas - the two characters I'd assume as most interested in procreation (Josie because she's going to be the head of her family, Solas because he's trying to save his people) - are the two that don't have sex scenes. 

 

I wish that in lieu of a sex scene we'd gotten something else though! Solas reading love poetry has been tossed around. The change in intimacy between scene 2 and scene 3 is huge but there's nothing in-between to indicate how that evolved. I wish they'd put a cutscene in there that showed them becoming either more physically or emotionally comfortable with one another.

[Tielis]

Re: a sex scene

 

Maybe I'm in the minority here - when I played through the Solas romance, I didn't actually register the lack of a sex scene. I didn't really notice that there wasn't one and it didn't bother me that there wasn't one. I can't really think of what a sex scene would add to the romance that isn't already there - the sense of intimacy between them, the depth of emotion, etc. I don't think a romance needs to have a sex scene in order to be mature, deep or fulfilling.

 

I do think that the writers went about sex in the Solas romance in the right way - leaving it up to the individual player to decide, more or less, was a good idea imo given Solas' true nature and all that that entails. There is certainly enough allusions to Solas and Lavellan being sexually intimate present anyway to support them having that kind of relationship if you prefer to think of them in that way.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about future Solavellan content (ex. DLC) having a sex scene included if I'm honest. All of the other female-available male LIs (Cullen, Iron Bull & Blackwall) come with a sex scene attached to the romance iirc? I'm not asexual but I think it is important for at least one of the female-available male LIs to not have a sex scene associated with it. I don't like the idea of all romance paths forcing sex between the PC and the character on the player. Iirc there's no sex scene with Josie and I like that there's a female-available female LI that allows for this. 

 

After watching the other sex scenes, I have come to agree.  I would have liked a repeatable kiss, or some sort of repeatable affectionate action.

[Tielis]

We'll probably have to agree to disagree on whether his frustration with the Dalish comes from their willful ignorance or just the ignorance itself. I still thinks he hopes that the Dalish will come around. In the same way that I hope my sexist relatives can one day stop being sexist and join me "in the light." Maybe that's what's going on -- I'm projecting a bit because I can sympathize with Solas as a character that sees something so clearly while everyone else stubbornly clings to something that seems so wrong to him.

 

Anyway, regarding whether or not the Dalish actions are harmful:

 

Spoiler

But the Dalish's mistakes are absolutely killing them. We haven't had a DA game where there's not an option for a Dalish clan to be completely wiped off the map. It even comes up pretty frequently in the books and codex: one clan and most of an alienage are destroyed in TME. Not to mention that there are several mentions in the lore of how difficult it is for them to maintain their population disregarding people trying to kill them all the time - especially their population of mages/keepers - due to the constraints of being a nomadic people. Keep in mind they only meet every decade or so as well; any information gleaned in the meantime is lost if that clan gets wiped from the map before the next gathering. They are dying, both as a people and as a culture. I don't disagree with Solas there at all.

 

 

This is the part that makes me mad/sad. How do you explain something that you know someone can't comprehend? I keep thinking of the parent/child line of analogies. If you know that something is better for a child but they still resist do you make them do it anyway? I can't count the number of times my mom forced me to wear a coat going outside because she knew I'd be cold even if I didn't believe her. Sure this is much bigger than that, but I think Solas' line of reasoning is the same. 

 

The Dalish believe that their Keepers are descendents of the elven nobility, so they might very well want to go back to Arlathan. They would probably think that they would be the ones in power, and there's no shortage of Dalish that believe they're better than the other elves. I would guess that unless Solas flat-out told them "you're going to be slaves," they would assume someone else would do it. The "not me" syndrome. It's easy to trade someone else's freedom when you think you're getting an all-powerful magical empire in return.

 

I do think he sees himself as a tragic lone-wolf character leading a rebellion against forces for the betterment of the people too ignorant to understand. I don't like it, and I wish he would "settle" for the more mundane route of slowly working with the Dalish/City Elves to build a new society. It would be harder, and probably take thousands of years, but it would show that he understands that one can't just bring back the past and hope everything will be OK. And that he can acknowledge the autonomy of the elves even if he doesn't believe they are taking the best route.

 

Perhaps how the story enfolds is due to whether you have the Heirophant or the Tower.  Oh, please let us make choices regarding the Solas romance in the future, BioWare!

[scintilla]

@zambixi:

 

What I meant about there mistakes is that being wrong about their gods - who no longer exist in the current world, at least not like they did - isn't a mistake that has any real consequences other than people being wrong about something. If he brings back those gods, it will be a real problem. They are absolutely are making dangerous mistakes but being wrong about their pantheon isn't dangerous to them. Yet.

 

Comparing it to sexism is out of line. Sexism hurts people. Telling folktales about missing 'gods' the wrong way doesn't.

[zambixi]

@zambixi:

 

I think the problem here is that being wrong about their gods - who no longer exist in the current world, at least not like they did - isn't a mistake that has any real consequences other than people being wrong about something. If he brings back those gods, it will be a real problem.

 

Comparing it to sexism is out of line. Sexism hurts people. Telling folktales about missing 'gods' the wrong way doesn't.

 

I think it does hurt people; but, like I said we don't have to agree. I still think my comparison is acceptable and feel a bit patronized by your comment that it is "out of line".

 

Perhaps how the story enfolds is due to whether you have the Heirophant or the Tower.  Oh, please let us make choices regarding the Solas romance in the future, BioWare!

 

I hope for this more than anything! Don't hand-wave the romance - give it some substance pls!

[scintilla]

I think it does hurt people; but, like I said we don't have to agree. I still think my comparison is acceptable and feel a bit patronized by your comment that it is "out of line".

 

I apologize. That was wrong of me.

 

After watching the other sex scenes, I have come to agree.  I would have liked a repeatable kiss, or some sort of repeatable affectionate action.

 

i wonder if we didn't get a repeatable kiss or anything like it because there's that one part in the final romance scene where Lavellan can say "you're my..." but doesn't seem to be able to say what they are. Maybe there was intentional ambiguity as to what exactly the relationship was?

[caridounette]

 

This is the part that makes me mad/sad. How do you explain something that you know someone can't comprehend? I keep thinking of the parent/child line of analogies. If you know that something is better for a child but they still resist do you make them do it anyway? I can't count the number of times my mom forced me to wear a coat going outside because she knew I'd be cold even if I didn't believe her. Sure this is much bigger than that, but I think Solas' line of reasoning is the same. 

 

 

Theres an old DC comics (Legion of superheroes) with kids having powers working as a force for good in a futuristic interstellar setting. That does not sound like DA but wait.

 

In a big story arc, they are all thrown in time and one of them gets separated. A few black holes later, they are stranded in a galxy system where a race goes around destroying whole planets for no obvious reasons. Eventually, they realize they are a thousand year in the future and that their missing friend has turned into a god in the meanwhile and is at the head of the whole thing.

 

Thats where the interesting part comes, as they got that god-character who isnt destroying civilizations, hes just clearing mistakes he made. And he does remember his friends, and knows he really really liked them. But that was a fleeting moment a thousand year ago. 

 

That character is so much like Solas in some accounts. He always ends up conceding and not trying to really teach anything because he doesnt think they can learn. And if they can, why woud it be relevant anyhow since they wont be around in a thousand years. 

 

The story ends very baddly, as one would expect. 

[Tielis]

 

i wonder if we didn't get a repeatable kiss or anything like it because there's that one part in the final romance scene where Lavellan can say "you're my..." but doesn't seem to be able to say what they are. Maybe there was intentional ambiguity as to what exactly the relationship was?

 

 

I understand where you're coming from, but I just found that line extremely odd and out of place.  He calls her "his heart" and he's always by her side, supporting her and advising her.  If that's not the definition of a partner, I don't know what is.  If I didn't know any better, I would have thought he was using blood magic to wipe her thoughts at that moment.

[scintilla]

I understand where you're coming from, but I just found that line extremely odd and out of place.  He calls her "his heart" and he's always by her side, supporting her and advising her.  If that's not the definition of a partner, I don't know what is.  If I didn't know any better, I would have thought he was using blood magic to wipe her thoughts at that moment.

 

Yeah, the ambiguous thing would also make more sense if it was canon that they didn't sleep together rather than left up to the player. Although there are a fair number of mixed messages in all the romance scenes. Like him saying he loves her as he walks away from her.

 

I wonder if their whole relationship was that confusing?

[Solas]

Don't get me wrong, would have loved more slice-of-life/their developing closeness content such as reading together etc.

 

A bit off-topic, but does anyone know where you can find Dalish or elven armor for warriors? :S

[scintilla]

 

Don't get me wrong, would have loved more slice-of-life/their developing closeness content such as reading together etc.

 

A bit off-topic, but does anyone know where you can find Dalish or elven armor for warriors? :S

 

 

I haven't seen anything for warriors. I've found three light armors and schematics for light and medium ones.

 

Someone released cinematic tools for DAI: http://www.bfcinematictools.com/dai/

[Sherbet Lemon]

Yyyeah, the whole "you people wouldn't even exist in my ideal world" thing is a bit of a problem, I think.

 

Also maybe an explanation for the nameless thing that has been bothering me a bit about the romance. Lavellan wouldn't even exist in his ideal world.

 

Forgive me if I make no sense  or this has already been stated elsewhere but..

 

Spoiler

I think my frustration lies with the emphasized because an ideal world is simply not possible.  I contend that Solas has spent too much time inside of the fade.  This could be willful as means to avoid the trauma of whatever happened with his people or it could be unintentional but the fade reflects reality and does not shape it.  It is easy to dehumanize or dematerlize the world as it is when you live in a perpetual dream state. When your only friends are spirits, the purity of idea, deed, thought and action, the messiness and complexity of people starts to appear simplistic. It is actions with  a romanced or friended Inquistor and then I would even argue, the rest of the inner circle that give him pause merely because instead of looking the immaterial, he is forced to contend with the real.  What frustrates me is not that he undergoes this journey, but in face of finally beginning to move away from dwelling an echo (a beautiful and interesting one at that) of reality, he actively chooses to go back to it, to attempt to recreate what does not exist anymore.  

 

It is such a human thing to do which is why I really love this character even if I want thump the side of his bald head.