Aller au contenu

Photo

Solas Thread - NOW OFFICIALLY MOVED to Cyonan's BSN (link in OP)


153429 réponses à ce sujet

#27901
caridounette

caridounette
  • Members
  • 323 messages

 

I'm beginning to think that Solas changes his mind about trying to fix things again over the course of the game. When you first talk to him in Haven, he has a line about not being satisfied until he holds the broken pieces of what caused the Breach in his hands, I think he may have meant it at the time. Watching the Inquisition change/fix things may have encouraged him to try again. He also sounds like he's taking the top two options after the Temple of Mythal as encouragement for what he plans to do. This helps explain why he was willing to start a relationship with Lavellan - he wasn't certain he'd leave.

 

 

Theres  definitly something there. If you want to see Solas as a dynamic character over the span of the story (which pretty much all of us do :) )

 

So the Inquisitor is doing her best to 'fix things' and putting her hearth into it. Then why shouldnt Solas? 

If things are salvagable, if order can be restored... Why not try  for it?

After all thats what the great people do. and Solas certainly sees himself in that category.

 

 

Then put some god-like powers and millenium knowledge into this equation and watch the **** hit the fan. Its like Cole wanting to help but on a grand level. Solas doing his best is just not compatible with what 'normal people' can endure.

 

 

But he probably could blame the Inquisitor for showing him the way.



#27902
Brass_Buckles

Brass_Buckles
  • Members
  • 3 366 messages

So on a more light-hearted note...

 

I think it could be funny if Lavellan one day discovered who Solas actually was, after returning to her clan.  Imagine how hard it would be to avoid saying... anything.  I hope one day that things are not only clear, but that they can be together again.

 

Although at that point, will we want that to happen?



#27903
Melchizedek

Melchizedek
  • Members
  • 51 messages

Guys, 

 

I'm near tears.... I'm that one a couple dozen pages ago that had a problem advancing Solas's romance to part 2 and suddenly finding him as just friends. 

 

I went back to the save right after the first Fade kiss and rushed to his personal save spirit wisdom quest. Since I had more than enough approval and level I did it in quick time (1 hour since I'd just unlocked the Exalted Plains). I went back and triggered the scene that should have been the second part of his romance and... lo and behold... after talking about spirits and stuffs he said I respected you greatly and walked away. 

 

Is my second Lavellan destined to never be with her bastard god boyfriend? Is this a bug? Did I do something wrong? I didn't even dare flirt with anyone anymore! Please, anyone, help!



#27904
MoonDrummer

MoonDrummer
  • Members
  • 1 897 messages
I'm reading the masked empire at the moment, is the Mihris we see at the dalish camp the same we see in the hinterlands, if so I guess I now know why she is so hostile towards solas a perceived city elf.
  • caridounette et Ajna aiment ceci

#27905
Ajna

Ajna
  • Members
  • 5 928 messages

 

Although at that point, will we want that to happen?

 

I certainly would :P



#27906
Zaori

Zaori
  • Members
  • 62 messages

I had a dream last night that gave me the weird idea that Solas may not be up to what we assume he's up to.

 

In the dream, Solas was freeing the ancient elven gods, all right... and then promptly absorbing their souls and their power.  No more fighting, and now Solas is going to be in charge.  I doubt that's actually what he's up to, but it's something worth thinking about.

 

Anyway, I disagree with the idea that Solas doesn't want to help the present-day elves.  Evidence would indicate that he does--his talks with Sera (even if she's terribly rude to him), and his approval gain when you specifically help elves in various regions (he doesn't tend to gain approval for helping humans, except on a couple of occasions).  He doesn't see them as his people, but he doesn't want them to suffer, either.

 

Abelas scorns the modern elves.  Solas is saddened by their state, but doesn't really scorn them.  I think Abelas was mocking the idea that Solas was considering himself "Elvhen," but something in Solas's tone when he responded caught Abelas off guard--did you notice Abelas's expression?  Abelas considered Solas to be as "Elvhen" as the Dalish, if you took his tone into account--it's a scornful tone.

 

I took Solas's final comment about having to help the People to mean that... he wanted to help all the elves (not a significant change when you consider that even if they aren't his people, Solas is clearly very interested in helping the modern elves, even if he isn't necessarily going about it the right way).  Even if they weren't his people.  Notice he doesn't say MY People, or Our People.  He says "THE People."  And I do believe he realizes that this is going to put him at odds with the majority of the elven gods, which is why perhaps Mythal joined with him in the first place--to help.

 

Do I think Solas is 100% good?  No.  He can be a bit conceited, actually, and blind to the consequences of his actions.  Do I think his goals may be selfish?  Probably.  But I also think he may have something different planned than we think, OR, barring that, he might have different intentions than we think once that plan is carried out.

 

Remember if you listen to Cole after the end of the game, Solas speaks through Cole.  His reasoning for leaving the Inquisition--and Lavellan--is not a selfish one.  He says it's because it's far too dangerous to involve anyone else, especially someone he cares so deeply about. (Though he uses "cared," which... brings up questions.  Questions I believe I know the answer to already or Cole would not be involved.  It's not that easy to just let go, Solas.)

 

Solas also mentions at the end of the romance that Lavellan is the only one who caught his attention from the Fade.  She's not one of his people, and he's not pretending she is--she's not what he expected.  She's something else.  But something about her caught his attention, and Cole remarks on it too--that she was bright even BEFORE the mark.  We don't know what that means, but I suspect it does have some significance to the Inquisitor in general (not just Lavellan).  We may never know what that is.  Maybe it's to add to the ambiguity of whether the Inquisitor is actually a Chosen One of some higher deity.

 

Things I do agree with:

  • Solas wants to bring down the Veil.
  • Solas doesn't see modern elves as "his people."
  • If Solas is planning to bring back the ancient elven gods, that's a really dumb idea.

 

Just going to point out that if he's setting out to absorb all the ancient gods, that's also a magnificently stupid idea--but it may also be a good reason to have broken things off with Lavellan, because yes, that would be dangerous, and likely would result in a complete personality change for Solas.

 

As for my take on the elven gods... I repeat, it appears to me that Solas believes he is one such god--what he doesn't agree is that (most of?) the other elven gods are also gods.  I was thinking last night that it's even possible that after Solas removes the vallaslin, it may not be possible to replace it.  Vallaslin is likely imbued with magic somehow by the Keeper. Much like Fiona no longer being able to be a Warden, it could be interesting if Lavellan can no longer be enslaved, or at least not marked as such (so there's no going back home and taking the vallaslin again even if you want to).  It really did feel like Solas was giving her a blessing or benediction, in retrospect--I know some will disagree with that, but watch the almost reverant way in which he works that magic.  It's intimate but it's also somehow... religious?  And then he speaks those words in elven, again, like a blessing.

 

If Solas is setting the ancient gods free, then Lavellan might end up needing that blessing, to avoid being enslaved.  And, I also wonder if it's tied to whether your character drinks from the Well.  Can he undo the magic that binds Lavellan to Mythal?  Is that possible?   Or is he saying that even if he absorbs Mythal later, he's not enslaving Lavellan?  Hard to say...

Loved reading your perspective! I agree he does seem to bestow a blessing of freedom that seems to be more meaningful than just purely symbolic. I am most curious to see how their relationship further develops in a DLC/expansion. Hopefully soon ._.


  • Mims, Solas, Ajna et 1 autre aiment ceci

#27907
Tielis

Tielis
  • Members
  • 2 341 messages

That's something I thought was interesting, as well. He's always calling Varric "Child of the Stone" (aka durgen'len) and insinuating (if not outright insisting...) that he'd be happier being "more dwarfy" - living underground, carrying on the ancient traditions of his people. In regards to Cole, he says that you can't change your fundamental nature, and that simply wanting to be something else does not make it so. He eventually tells Sera that she's fine as she is, but only after many frustrated attempts to try to get her to appreciate elven-ness. If Lavellan is romancing Sera instead of him, he'll mention that it's natural that she should desire another elf.

I think Solas, as kind and truly compassionate as he is, would rather put people in little boxes than acknowledge those shades of grey he's so famous for. >_____>

Also, this is OT but anyone digging the magic dwarf hints?

Spoiler

 

This is where I was going when I posted that I think Sandal is June, trapped in his body because the Veil severed him from his true nature, and the whispers he hears are Mythal's, because she is trying to reach him.  I think dwarves are the embodiment of elven craftsmanship.



#27908
Solas

Solas
  • Members
  • 3 803 messages

I'm reading the masked empire at the moment, is the Mihris we see at the dalish camp the same we see in the hinterlands, if so I guess I now know why she is so hostile towards solas a perceived city elf.

yes it is.



#27909
Addai

Addai
  • Members
  • 25 850 messages

The Temple does seem to set him on his path again. "So Mythal endures." She's the one the elves called out to for justice, she's the Mother- if she's in the world, then maybe he can do it.

 

What I wonder is, if he was intending to tell Lavellan the truth and let her decide whether to join him- and then he changed his mind, realizing that she was too close and if he told her the truth, she'd be as bound to this fate as he is, hence not free. It seems to me more logical than that he took her there intending to break it off.


  • Zaori aime ceci

#27910
Ajna

Ajna
  • Members
  • 5 928 messages

I'm reading the masked empire at the moment, is the Mihris we see at the dalish camp the same we see in the hinterlands, if so I guess I now know why she is so hostile towards solas a perceived city elf.

Yes, it's the same character.  She mentions what happened to her clan.



#27911
MoonDrummer

MoonDrummer
  • Members
  • 1 897 messages

yes it is.

I feel horrible for both groups of elves in the book, they both end up getting shat on.
  • Solas aime ceci

#27912
Arahnea

Arahnea
  • Members
  • 272 messages

Just fyi:

 

Spoiler

 

 

^ this. According to the lore every being has a spirit, which after death returns to the Fade. And as Solas said they can be reborn with different personalities. Also this was mentioned somewhere in banter with Cole, that if spirit wants to become real, it has to develop personality or something like that. Maybe ancient elves were like hedge mages in Ravian and sometimes let spirits posses their bodies? But at some point of time the bond became very strong and thus they became immortal?... :huh: Maybe that's why after spirits got their own realm (the Fade) elves lost their immortality - they could not make such bonds with living.

 

Woooooooooooooooooh... Could it be that the female Lavellan is one of those reincarnated spirits who retained some of their previous qualities?  Maybe it's just Solas being a sweet talker but he's always like "oh, I haven't met anyone with a spirit like yours since....' and wondering if the mark changed her from who she was before and how she's so different from other Dalish...  


  • Tielis et _Lucinia aiment ceci

#27913
Tielis

Tielis
  • Members
  • 2 341 messages

Solas switches from 'individuals should be free to express themselves' to 'big picture view of things over a millenia' at a moments notice...

 

He will forget hes got god-like goals and marvels over the tiniest act of rebellion from a qunari baker, hell want you to help out people which would probably suffer from his big scheme (the poverty-stricken always suffer from big-wigs plans even if not directly aimed at them)

 

And he will forget hes a trickster-bringer-of-rebellion the next time and have harsh point of view on races, on what matters and what should be bring back. 

 

 

Its like his mind is some type of microscope. When he zooms in on the particularity of things and people hes that freedom-seeking character. Then when he pulls back, races are just big blocks colliding and patterns repeating, and 'ideals' (like spirit are ideals taking shape) are much more important than individuals.

 

Sounds like somebody who has merged with a spirit of rebellion...   :whistle:



#27914
Solas

Solas
  • Members
  • 3 803 messages

I feel horrible for both groups of elves in the book, they both end up getting shat on.

yeah I am a little tired of BioWare's "entire/almost entire Dalish clan is killed/can be killed" trope, we're at four now.


  • Tielis, Prince of Keys, scintilla et 3 autres aiment ceci

#27915
lapsi4ka

lapsi4ka
  • Members
  • 122 messages

@ Arahnea,

 

There were such speculations in the thread, that Solas actually might know Lavellan's spirit from before. But those were just speculations :)


  • Arahnea et Zaori aiment ceci

#27916
scintilla

scintilla
  • Members
  • 1 373 messages

I think the thing that makes Lavellan unique is that she fuses the Fade with physical reality, which is how it used to be for everyone. "You're real so everyone could become real." The elves aren't really his people because yes, they've so lost their way that they're hardly recognizable as elvhen. But he does encourage Abelas to seek out other duties, and to serve "elvhen such as I" Ithough it's obvious he says that a bit ironically). I think the crux is that pointy ears are not what makes you an elf. Abelas calls the Dalish "shadows." They're the vessel, but it's empty. They could still become "real" again. Isn't that what the Dalish have always wanted? I don't see why they would object.

 

Can he only love her because the anchor given to her by the orb (his artifact, no less)? Wouldn't he realize that the full extent of her being "special" was essentially his doing and it was him changing her existence that makes her unique? It makes the relationship kind of questionable if her being unique is dependent on her having the anchor.

 

I wonder if that's why he wanted the orb back so badly. Potentially he could give anyone something like the anchor with it. Would exhaust the orbs power though? Would it cause problems like the Breach every time it was done or was that multiple circumstances? Could it kill people it was being given to?

 

I don't think it was obvious that he said that ironically. Abelas is critical but I think he realizes that Solas is different than Lavellan there.

 

I think the Dalish have spent a lot of time believing that the Beyond was dangerous and someone offering to let them physically go there because that's what the ancient elves could do would be met with some suspicion. It probably depends on each clan/individual if they'd be okay with it.



#27917
Tielis

Tielis
  • Members
  • 2 341 messages

Could someone who has finished the game tell me if Abelas or any of his guardians show up at Skyhold?  

 

I can see Lavellan turning to him to satiate her lust for... ancient elven lore after Solas leaves.  I know it's heresy in this thread, but I do find him physically more attractive than Solas.  (And I'll show myself out.)



#27918
Zaori

Zaori
  • Members
  • 62 messages

@ Arahnea,

 

There were such speculations in the thread, that Solas actually might know Lavellan's spirit from before. But those were just speculations :)

That would be such an awesome twist : D 


  • lapsi4ka aime ceci

#27919
Brass_Buckles

Brass_Buckles
  • Members
  • 3 366 messages

yeah I am a little tired of BioWare's "entire/almost entire Dalish clan is killed/can be killed" trope, we're at four now.

 

Well it does line up with the canon fact that the Dalish are dying out--as are the city elves, for that matter.  Elves aren't exactly speedy breeders by the looks of it.  And, if they interbreed with any other race, their kids aren't elven anymore.  SO much is working against them...



#27920
Arahnea

Arahnea
  • Members
  • 272 messages

@ Arahnea,

 

There were such speculations in the thread, that Solas actually might know Lavellan's spirit from before. But those were just speculations :)

 

Hmm, it would be nice.. Especially since all this content is just for romanced females right? It would certainly give a new meaning to the whole "you are real and that means everyone could be real"



#27921
Brass_Buckles

Brass_Buckles
  • Members
  • 3 366 messages

Could someone who has finished the game tell me if Abelas or any of his guardians show up at Skyhold?  

 

I can see Lavellan turning to him to satiate her lust for... ancient elven lore after Solas leaves.  I know it's heresy in this thread, but I do find him physically more attractive than Solas.  (And I'll show myself out.)

 

One or two of them appear, later.  Abelas doesn't, and I don't think he wants to.  Lavellan is just as shemlen to him as any other elf, and he seems to detest shemlen.  We'll most likely never meet him again.


  • lapsi4ka aime ceci

#27922
scintilla

scintilla
  • Members
  • 1 373 messages

Guys, 

 

I'm near tears.... I'm that one a couple dozen pages ago that had a problem advancing Solas's romance to part 2 and suddenly finding him as just friends. 

 

I went back to the save right after the first Fade kiss and rushed to his personal save spirit wisdom quest. Since I had more than enough approval and level I did it in quick time (1 hour since I'd just unlocked the Exalted Plains). I went back and triggered the scene that should have been the second part of his romance and... lo and behold... after talking about spirits and stuffs he said I respected you greatly and walked away. 

 

Is my second Lavellan destined to never be with her bastard god boyfriend? Is this a bug? Did I do something wrong? I didn't even dare flirt with anyone anymore! Please, anyone, help!

 

The only thing I can think of is that for some reason the game has locked in another romance. Maybe reload the first kiss save and then talk to other companions/advisers to make sure no one is too friendly?



#27923
Tielis

Tielis
  • Members
  • 2 341 messages

One or two of them appear, later.  Abelas doesn't, and I don't think he wants to.  Lavellan is just as shemlen to him as any other elf, and he seems to detest shemlen.  We'll most likely never meet him again.

 

Well, in that case, Solas would be just a shemlen to him as well, but he takes Solas' advice to go elsewhere and shows a grudging respect at the end of that conversation?  And wasn't he the leader of the guardians?  So why would they show up without him?

 

I don't have a problem with him not showing up, honestly, but I am glad that some of the other guardians do.



#27924
lapsi4ka

lapsi4ka
  • Members
  • 122 messages

That would be such an awesome twist : D 

 

Well, there are some facts that can prove it, if you look from a certain point of view (e.i when Cole murmurs something about "They should have been born together but instead were binded by the light" you can translate if like they were together at some point of time but maybe then Lavellan was killed and now they are together and it's her mark which is the "light"?...).

 

 

Hmm, it would be nice.. Especially since all this content is just for romanced females right? It would certainly give a new meaning to the whole "you are real and that means everyone could be real"

 

Yeap this also :) 


  • GloriousDame aime ceci

#27925
coldwetn0se

coldwetn0se
  • Members
  • 5 611 messages
Hot damn. Another 20 pages behind. ;)

Thought of adding my .02 in, on the last few posts, but realized I would come off as utterly ridiculous, not knowing how this line of thought came about. Will truck back 20 pages....and see you next year. :lol: