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Quick question on the side.
 
 
You guys know the picture of the Inquisitor with the companions depicting the Last Supper painting of Jesus and the disciples.
 
My churchy knowledge is limited but Solas has to be the one sitting in Judas place. Cause easy metaphors are easy...
 
 
Am I wrong ?

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That's Judas, clutching his money bag.
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And Solas is in the same position, though not holding anything that I can see.

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Re: Anchor and Solas

 

Well, this might be too much YMMV/headcanon territory but I also don’t see it as his attraction being that much related to the anchor. I think that in terms of narration, removed from their heads and motivations, it does link them: there’s a lot of stuff that makes this romance so plot-involved, and that makes the writing of it really beautiful, but that is outside of their POVs.

 

I really love Solas, and I really like how he was written, which is with a lot of flaws. Personally, I don’t see Lavellan as unique, she’s unique to him at the end because he loves her, but I think he’s wrong to put her in a pedestal. In a way Solas is a man who doesn’t have his views… challenged a lot. I guess perhaps when people confronted him, he decided to give up rather than completely trying to understand. But with her… he’s forced to. They are forced to cooperate with each other, and due to her position he pays close attention, and she challenges him, corrects him, and impresses him.

 

I like it how Solas, being a revolutionary, is still a man of the past world. In his case, almost literally so; and he connects with little in this new world, and in his arrogance he presumes more than he should. Lavellan makes him doubt though, but Lavellan is just one of the few people he truly made an effort to see. 


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There's a ton of pages I haven't had a chance to read, so this has probably been asked, but if Solas wants to release the elven gods... wouldn't they be quite pissed off at him?  I can't imagine they would just let him walk away.  Maybe that's the "fate he would not wish on an enemy"?  Maybe he broke it off with Levallan because he didn't want them to come after her, too. 

 

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Not deliberately but if the only thing he finds attractive about her is the way his power changed her? Yeah, that comes a little too close to grooming someone to be what you want for me.

I see it as something that puts her on his level and thus makes the idea of a relationship even possible. Obviously it's not just the mark he falls for, though, or he'd do that for any Inquisitor.

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When does Cole say this? I never got this, or anything Cole said about Solas at the end game. :( Or is it after the party? :o

Cole says random things, if you speak with him in Skyhold. Those are his first lines in conversation :)

Gaider proved that those are [spoilers] on twitter :) Some believe that they are about movies, but there are some that indicate people around you (Leliana is quite obvious, Blackwall too).



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There's a ton of pages I haven't had a chance to read, so this has probably been asked, but if Solas wants to release the elven gods... wouldn't they be quite pissed off at him?  I can't imagine they would just let him walk away.  Maybe that's the "fate he would not wish on an enemy"?  Maybe he broke it off with Levallan because he didn't want them to come after her, too. 

 

I definitely think that's a possibility. I don't see the other 'gods' forgiving him for what he's done. 

 

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There's a bit about Solas' role in a Last Supper position context in the OP :)

 

 

thanks Solas!



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I just read the last few pages and I love that you all are starting to delve into darker sides of Solas' character. They are most definitely there, definitely worrisome and definitely what makes him an infinitely fascinating character for me. I always love the heavily flawed characters, the ones that just might have more bad in them than good, even if they don't notice it.

 

You all already very eloquently expressed many of my thoughts on the matter, much more eloquently than I probably would! I agree that Solas clings to a past that may never truly come back altogether and that maybe he's looking through some intensely rose-colored glasses. There was a reason he took such extreme measures to change things in the past. Perhaps seeing how far his people have "fallen" in the modern day is blinding him to exactly how bad it was back then. Maybe some pieces he's pushing away willfully.

 

I also note that for a god who seems to be trying to value the past and The People and their future above all others, he's profoundly bad at the whole "my people are the only people that matter and you are lesser beings that are not worth reconsidering my plans in any way, shape or form". As arrogant as he is, Solas does care about people, even humans. He consistently shows that he is upset about the way people are suffering now, and not just modern elves. And as someone mentioned before, he's fascinated by individual people and their stories and struggles and power. When he recalls memories of the Fade, he recalls stories of dwarves and humans and qunari and is fascinated by them. He looks down his nose at other cultures, tells you as much, and yet he grows to very much respect and like Cassandra, Iron Bull, Varric, Blackwall and the non-elf Inquisitor (if they don't tick him off) and tries, in a way that made me kind of sad, to reach out to and connect with Sera.

 

It's still clear that there are blocked categories pushing around in Solas' head despite of that. There is unquestionable racism: he regards everybody he likes as "exceptions" but is that really how he feels? Solas is smarter than that and I get the impression that he tries to box up that intelligence and open-mindedness from time to time because it doesn't really fit with his bigger goals.

 

But I wonder if it might not be Solas' open-mindedness and the appreciation and respect he can find for individuals of every time and race that will ultimately enable us to talk him down in the future, as we inevitably will have to try to.

 

I'm reminded of his response to Cassandra if she asks him what he believes in. His response suggests a respect for all free-willed people, and not just THE People.

 

Solas: Cause and effect. Wisdom as its own reward, and the inherent right of all free willed people to exist.


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Yes, exactly.  As I said before, I believe that the elvhen were elves that were merged with spirits.  My theory is that Solas became Fen'Harel when he merged with a spirit of rebellion.  And, like Anders and Cole and even Wynne, his environment as well as his human (elven) nature shapes who and what he becomes.

This discussion has me thinking. I did choose the templar side this time around, and Cole begins making a lot more sense.

When the Inquisitor asks where Cole did come from, Cole answered something along the lines of 'Inside your head'. Does the Inquisitor possess a Spirit of Compassion?

 

And Cole literally just said to me in the tavern at Skyhold:

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I definitely think that's a possibility. I don't the other 'gods' forgiving him for what he's done. 

 

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That's a very good point, one that I haven't thought of.  

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I see it as something that puts her on his level and thus makes the idea of a relationship even possible. Obviously it's not just the mark he falls for, though, or he'd do that for any Inquisitor.

 

Yeah. I don't think he fell for my Dalish Inquisitor, even though he did say he respected her, and it's possible for him to be pretty angry with the Inquisitor as well. If it were just the mark, I think he'd like anyone with it, and an angry Solas would be impossible to achieve.

 

He also says he's surprised that a Dalish could embody what he admires, and it could be a lie, but I don't think so. He expresses distaste at her Dalishness pretty often.



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On the subject of Solas and Ancient Elves being spirits or merged with spirits. I got this off of Cole, so it's probably relevant. It's not quite right, but this is the general gist.

 

"Voice ringing from both worlds, leading me to the shining places, he calls himself Pride"


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I see it as something that puts her on his level and thus makes the idea of a relationship even possible. Obviously it's not just the mark he falls for, though, or he'd do that for any Inquisitor.

 

I still find the idea that she has to be changed to make her "worthy" of him uncomfortable. Technically any Inquisitor can both have the anchor and make the same decisions a female elf does. It comes down to him only really liking people who look like him (story-wise, I think there's a some benefit to it being an elf because of his issues with modern elves).


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Yes! He’s a multilayered character with a LOT of good points, but whose flaws also corrupt his great qualities.

 

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About pregnancy mentioned a few pages ago

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I'm not sure if someone answered this yet, but.

 

Flemeth/Mythal didn't get Morrigan through pregnancy.  That would make Morrigan really really old.  According to Morrigan she was adopted and I can't see why she or Flemeth would lie.  From the game it seems to be that Morrigan's kid just holds the soul of the old god, he's not actually an old god.



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I thought Morrigan didn't really know and she brought that up as a possibility when she admitted she wasn't really sure either way?



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I still find the idea that she has to be changed to make her "worthy" of him uncomfortable. Technically any Inquisitor can both have the anchor and make the same decisions a female elf does. It comes down to him only really liking people who look like him (story-wise, I think there's a some benefit to it being an elf because of his issues with modern elves).

 

I don't think that's the case. When Solas talks about why he likes you, your actions come up a lot. He is surprised and appreciative of the way you consider before you act because it's something that he doesn't see often. It speaks to a wisdom and intelligence that Solas craves to find in others. In the second scene, he asks you if it's the mark that changed you because he appears to be completely floored by how much he respects you. We as a player know that isn't true. I think he knows that also.  I think it's pretty obvious why you have to be an elf, considering his attitude towards other races. 

 

What's not obvious is why you need to be female. The romance could easily have been for a male elf too. I guess he's just straight? Or lack of time and resources? Who knows.


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Just saw this fanart on tumblr. Hot damn.

http://pinselohr.tum...ge/104458938696
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I rather like the idea that there is nothing inherently "special" about the Inquisitor; it's the actions she takes and how she acts that makes him see he was potentially wrong and contributes to him falling in love. I feel the idea that the mark influences it as lessening the weight of the romance so it's YMMV for me.


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I don't think that's the case. When Solas talks about why he likes you, your actions come up a lot. He is surprised and appreciative of the way you consider before you act because it's something that he doesn't see often. It speaks to a wisdom and intelligence that Solas craves to find in others. I think it's pretty obvious why you have to be an elf, considering his attitude towards other races.

 

What's not obvious is why you need to be female. The romance could easily have been for a male elf too. I guess he's just straight? Or lack of time and resources? Who knows.

 

I'm responding specifically to the idea that the Inquisitor "isn't on Solas's level" without the anchor. That until she can cross into the Fade - until she has his power - she's mundane and beneath his notice no matter what kind of person she is. I don't like the idea that she has to be changed (by his power, no less) before he can fall in love with her.



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I can also warmly recommend this masterlist;

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Speaking of moving on and moving forward, it got me thinking about this song. I know, I know, everyone hates Nickelback. But I'm throwing this song on the Solas pile because it fits the Solas x Lavellan relationship so well.

 

 

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"You’re real, and it means everyone could be real."

Imagine you’re Solas for a moment, really think about how Solas must feel carrying the weight that he does. It’s an ancient pain, this burden. Once upon a time he was a hot-blooded young elf, who thought he had everything in hand, who thought he had all the answers. He did something huge and world-changing, not to be right, but to “save them”. Once upon a time, Solas stood tall and thought he Knew.

 

Now he’s woken up, and the severity of his error must have hit him so unbearably hard. The sick tendrils of his mistake permeate every facet of Thedas that he turns his gaze to, both in the waking world and in the reflections of the Fade. Now he stands alone in the ashes of what his pride has wrought.

 

I don’t see it as being too far-fetched that he ends up with coping mechanisms. He’s really quite reserved and distant - distant to the other companions (see how he does not join in the game of Wicked Grace), distant to the modern elves, distant even to a romanced Lavellan. He spends a lot of time wrapped up in the Fade and focused on the past. Part of how he deals with the sheer enormity of what he’s done, I sometimes feel, is distancing himself from the Now. This applies mentally. I think it’s easier for him to cope with what’s happened if he views it disjointed, as if from a distance, like he’s depersonalized - like it’s not real.

 

The world Solas has awoken to is literally a waking nightmare for him. It isn’t real, it can’t be. These elves of Now are not his people. They aren’t real, none of this is. He holds everyone at a distance and puts up barriers and looks elsewhere.

 

He has to right his wrong, and the elves of now may suffer for it. It’s easier to deal with the guilt of that thought if they don’t seem fully real to him.

 

But Lavellan blazes so brightly that she gets through some of his barriers, shatters the frosted glass, enough to at least make him see her without a foggy haze hanging between them. And if she’s real, it means everyone else could be real.

 

And it changes everything, but it can’t.


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I'm responding specifically to the idea that the Inquisitor "isn't on Solas's level" without the anchor. That until she can cross into the Fade - until she has his power - she's mundane and beneath his notice no matter what kind of person she is.

 

It might be the reason he noticed her (how else would he ever have known you), but I don't think it's the reason he falls in love with her. Or the reason he grows to deeply respect a non female elf Inquisitor. There did seem to be an underlying element of "you're on a different level than others" but it seemed more of a mental thing to me.

 

Edit: On that note, I'm now craving some fic where Lavellan never becomes the Inquisitor and still meets Solas and falls in love with him.  :D



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I thought Morrigan didn't really know and she brought that up as a possibility when she admitted she wasn't really sure either way?

Well, Flemeth/Mythal's body is pretty clearly human or mostly human, and old.  Morrigan is in her 20's? is my guess.  Having a baby so late in life is dangerous not just for the baby's health but the woman's as well.  I personally think she adopted Morrigan because her being pregnant is a little silly with her being so old.