WELL NOW I HAVE TO PLAY FOR MYSELF.
Does it only come up if you Romance him? Or did I just miss opportunities to talk to him.
Have to warn you, though:
- you'll totally have your heart broken;
- it's so good you'll never want to romance anyone else. So get your Iron Bull kinks and Cullen sweet moments(or Sera laughs) first!
I missed so much not getting banter and doing all the companion quests.
WELL NOW I HAVE TO PLAY FOR MYSELF.
Does it only come up if you Romance him? Or did I just miss opportunities to talk to him.
Looking back now, it seems so strange a concept to me that I was so certain about a Cullen-mance. I was 100% certain Cullen would be my romance option first time around.
I play for about an hour as a human and decide to rerole as an elf mage because I felt elves seemed a bit more interesting and I figured Cullen's still interested in elves anyway. Besides I could not get a decent looking human, it wasn't happening.
Anyway, fast forward to romance decisions and I find myself extremely conflicted on Cullen and Solas. It literally took me two days of thought to convince myself to go Solas since I went elf, and said "I'll just rerole human for Cullen."
Finished the game, finished my romance with Solas and now I can't see it any other way. It's going to take me a long time to "recover" from Solas, I can't bring myself to even create a new character to romance Cullen, even though Cullen was the original reason I bought the game.
What a brilliantly written character.
There should be a name for this, because it's so incredibly common lol. We need to make a name for it guys...
There should be a name for this, because it's so incredibly common lol. We need to make a name for it guys...
The Solasdrome
There should be a name for this, because it's so incredibly common lol. We need to make a name for it guys...
Consider yourselves Solassed? 
Sorry,I´ll just go lurk again
Solas, your post on the other page, A+++++
UGH but no, dissociative Solas does things to me.
Since he has woken, I think that Solas feels the fade is more real than reality is. (Or at least, it more closely resembles the reality he once knew, and thus finds it more appealing than the waking world.) His only friends until you meet him are spirits, it seems his waking hours were only spent traveling to new locations so he could explore new areas of the fade, and I can only imagine what sort of internal battles he is struggling with given his introverted demeanor and lack of actual people to converse with.
The Thedas that exists now is so far removed from what he knew, the only way he knows how to connect with what he had is to dwell in the fade. When doing that I feel like he encouraged that sense of dissociation with the present, finding comfort in the memories of the past because the present was too painful to deal with.
Then comes Levallan.
A breath of fresh air, a shining light in the darkness that he feels is the present. Someone who could perhaps bring him more comfort than the fade could, someone who tethers him to the now.
However, along with that sense of awareness she brings, he can also feel all of his mistakes looming around him - all that he must fix. Yet, even with all he's done wrong, she somehow emerged. A flower blooming from the ashes.
I can see how his inner conflict would grow from there. She must be an exception, surely not proof that there is hope... but if there is a chance he could fix what he's done, does he not owe it to her to try to fix it? Is there such a thing as fixing what he's done? The world he once knew is burnt down, scattered to the wind, and yet here is Levallan, a familiar song amongst the discord.
Sorry if you folks don't like my spoilers, but everyone here seems to have mostly played the entire plot, so... I'll add tags if asked, but otherwise, you're in the Story section. There are going to be spoilers.
I'm going to catch up with the thread next week, but I've just finished the Masked Empire, so I'm burning.
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Aaand my human playthrough got results, aka wonderful information about Solas:
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And in my human playthrough, I sided with the Templars, which gave me an amazing sideline(2 great voiced quests so far) about Calpernia. I heartily recommend this at least once. Really, with the main campaign being too short, it would make great sense if they didn't make us choose, but instead gave us both quests, so the Inquisition could try and incorporate templars AND mages.
I thought Fen'Harel had to be Felassan's master, too, at first. It makes sense. He's clearly a follower of Fen'Harel. But, in-game we learn that Solas/Fen'Harel is adamantly against any deprivation of freedom, whether it's slavery or the Qun. (Perhaps he's actually less the god of rebellion, and more the god of freedom?)
So, given that particular evidence, and it's clear that Felassan is a slave (he uses the term "master," and he's wearing vallaslin)--as well as an ancient elf, if his phrasing is anything to go by--I don't think he was slain by Fen'Harel. When speaking of Briala, we don't know who he was about to reference. "You?" If his master were Fen'Harel that makes sense. But, Fen'Harel hates slavery, so either that isn't true or he's a bigger hypocrite than anyone could imagine.
That leaves Flemeth (Mythal), or, in my opinion, someone else entirely. The Sentinel Elves are out there... but why would Flemeth be so invested in finding eluvians? Is it possible that this is one of the trapped ancient elven gods trying to gain access to the eluvians in order to escape?
I really do want to know the answer, and I think that it's important. But it has to be either Mythal or someone else... it's not likely to be Fen'Harel and it doesn't seem that it was Corypheus (he was apparently never after the eluvians).
There's a ton of pages I haven't had a chance to read, so this has probably been asked, but if Solas wants to release the elven gods... wouldn't they be quite pissed off at him? I can't imagine they would just let him walk away. Maybe that's the "fate he would not wish on an enemy"? Maybe he broke it off with Levallan because he didn't want them to come after her, too.
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I think the answer to your first question might be more complicated. During Cole's personal quest, Solas says that humans may not be able to forgive, but spirits can. Ancient elven gods are something akin to spirits, maybe they even ARE spirits, or something a spirit can become with enough time to develop a deep personality. Or maybe they're really, truly gods. I doubt we'll ever get a straight-up answer other than that they obviously exist in the game world.
So basically what I'm saying is that it may be possible for the gods to forgive where a normal person wouldn't, even though they've spent so long bickering. Either that or Solas expects them to stop bickering to unite against him.
As for the Grey Warden thing... I was under the impression that while Solas may or may not know more about the Blight than he lets on, the fact that he says just killing the archdemons may not be such a great plan is actually an intelligent and insightful opinion. Think about what happens when the Archdemon dies. The darkspawn scatter, go back underground, and start digging for another one. Should that cease, they may have no cause to return underground, or they may seek out something other than archdemons. Elven gods, for instance. Either way, the Blight doesn't magically disappear.
To me, the Blight is an interesting thing. The blighted (including wardens nearing their Calling) are consumed by rage and hatred. It's like all the horrible things about people distilled into a terrible plague. Whoever created it--the Maker, or whoever else--was seriously messed up and angry. It would almost make sense for it to be a product of the elves, either a weapon used against enemy elves, or against the Tevinters when their society was already on the brink of collapse and they were under attack from humans as well. Solas may know more about this.
I definitely think that's a possibility. I don't see the other 'gods' forgiving him for what he's done.
Masked Empire spoiler;
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I actually agree with this theory--it's either Mythal or another elven god who killed Felassan. Solas doesn't strike me as the sort to keep slaves, or if he does, then it's unclear where they may be. Could he have devoted servants who serve him without being his slaves? Sure, but he'd probably never want them to have vallaslin, if they served him by choice. No, Felassan was a devotee of Fen'Harel, but he wasn't a servant of Fen'Harel. That may have been part of the problem--perhaps he had become weary of serving his old master, and felt that Fen'Harel had a point all this time? And if it were an enemy of Fen'Harel, then it makes sense that his master would not have liked it to hear that Briala reminded him of Fen'Harel. It could be that Felassan was even once a friend to the Dread Wolf, which is why he sees him favorably.
This discussion has me thinking. I did choose the templar side this time around, and Cole begins making a lot more sense.
When the Inquisitor asks where Cole did come from, Cole answered something along the lines of 'Inside your head'. Does the Inquisitor possess a Spirit of Compassion?
And Cole literally just said to me in the tavern at Skyhold:
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Well, we've been told more than once that ancient elves had a very close tie to the Fade. See my earlier theory that originally elves were spirits, and they have over time become more "real" because that is how they are perceived.
As for Solas seeing the soul... Kieran seems to do the same. Elf Inquisitor is confronted by him about being an elf, and you can respond several different ways. If you choose the top option, he asks why you choose to look as you do.
That's a very good point, one that I haven't thought of.
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Felassan was likely an ancient elf, given his phrasing sometimes. He was a slave, wearing vallaslin. He also used the term "master." We know Solas's feelings about slavery, so it's probably not Solas who killed him. It could have been Mythal, who has other opinions on the topic, or someone we don't yet know.
I'm not sure if someone answered this yet, but.
Flemeth/Mythal didn't get Morrigan through pregnancy. That would make Morrigan really really old. According to Morrigan she was adopted and I can't see why she or Flemeth would lie. From the game it seems to be that Morrigan's kid just holds the soul of the old god, he's not actually an old god.
Flemeth also has access to some really weird magic. There's been some speculation that the night when Maric spoke to her in The Stolen Throne, was the night Morrigan was conceived. And yes, that means Alistair and Morrigan are half-siblings, if true. It also means that Kieran would be rather... in-bred, if Alistair is the father and not the Warden or Loghain. But bear in mind that if Morrigan can use magic to make herself fertile, it's likely Flemeth is able to do so as well. And, twenty years (which is how old Morrigan is when we first meet her) is a long time. If Flemeth were in her late 30s or early 40s when Morrigan were conceived, she'd obviously look a whole lot older 20 years later, nevermind 30+ years--Morrigan is now most likely in her 30s.
I saw a prompt for that. :'( Sadly no fill.
And I dodn't think he would have noticed her. The little he interacted with the Dalish, he really seemed to dislkie them.
But he noticed her before the mark. He says so in the end of his romance: She was the first to attract his attention from the Fade. He made that statement ambiguous on purpose, but it seems obvious to me what he means--that he noticed her while he was sleeping.
That's precisely how I took it as well.
Not as a literal real vs unreal. But as how he sees this whole present as something that’s not supposed to be. He distances himself from it, he falters through it: a lot of times he’s not even sure of what he believes.
But she’s real. She’s what was supposed to happen. How it was supposed to go. And it means this whole world could change. It means he got it wrong. It means everyone could be real.
And yet… it can’t. Can it?
Maybe it is a literal real versus unreal.
Someone was speculating on some Solas/Cole dialogue about something being put into a child. Solas, during the second romance scene, remarks on your unique, wise... SPIRIT. He actually seems to hesitate before using that term, and I thought it was odd at the time. He may very well mean it literally.
I'm thinking it's possible that the Keeper bound a spirit of wisdom into Lavellan as a child, either as a secret ritual for her chosen successor, or for some other, unknown reason. This would also be why Cole sees the Inquisitor as "bright, even before the mark."
What if the Inquisitor was effectively never a normal person? What if Lavellan, specifically, had died as a child, or else they just needed/wanted a spirit of wisdom... and so that's who she now is, instead of the ordinary person she would be, had her soul not effectively been replaced?
Pure speculation, of course.
I've never once seen it stated "She will give birth" anywhere, and Wiki really doesn't count. It was stated quite clearly by Flemeth in DAI that she needed them to freely give their bodies, that was something Morrigan got wrong. And I personally think Solas stole her power "I should be the one punished. But the people need me"
Its actually in Morrigan's dialogue from DAO after you give her the Black Grimoire -- you have your initial conversation in which you tell give her the grimoire and then you go back to her- and she will explain that when her mother begins to grow old she gives birth to a daughter and when the daughter becomes an adult and is fully trained she then possesses her. This is not from Wiki it is from in-game dialogue from DAO during Morrigan's personal quest
I love it how probably a lot of people suspected
Its actually in Morrigan's dialogue from DAO after you give her the Black Grimoire -- you have your initial conversation in which you tell give her the grimoire and then you go back to her- and she will explain that when her mother gets old she gives birth to a daughter and when the daughter becomes an adult and is fully trained she then possesses her. This is not from Wiki it is from in-game dialogue from DAO
I remember her saying she acquires or has a daughter. That doesn't meant birth.
**I played the game a week ago, and don't remember birth coming into it at all.
If you ask Cole to focus on Levellan he says she is bright, not just the anchor but behind it too. I'm not sure if that means her as she is or if she is special in any way. Command in Crestwood also thinks she is something different, but you can explain that as the anchor and she accepts that.
Command may also be responding to the Inquisitor being in command of the Inquisition.
So I saw some mentions of what Solas says about Abelas and someone not getting the Cole dialogue in the end (I think there's a video in the OP, still), so here are some screencaps. Also some epilogue ones because of the parallels with Cory (not subtle, BioWare, not subtle at all).
About Abelas:
Cole, post ending:
Cory parallel:
Solas, your post on the other page, A+++++
What other page?!
I love reading this thread, wow. 
I know someone alredy asked this but I can't find the post >.<
(spoiler) I was suspected that there was more going on with him than he let on but in the sense that he might have been an ancient elf or a sleeper - maybe even a servant to something sinister, not the actually-possible-sinister-himself.
It's a credit to the writers that they managed to pour in so much delicious hindsight and still not give it away. Nearly everything he says or does can be seen or interpertated in a different light.
I think it's because most would consider to be preposterous to have a god in the party without it making no sense why it wouldn't put Things overwhelming in their favor but the writers found a way around even that with the fact that he was severely weakened after awakening!
I love reading this thread, wow.
I know someone alredy asked this but I can't find the post >.<
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I figured that if he did wander the fade. The Dalish are pretty spread out, he may have not seen them or just a little bit of them. He explored ruins he said. So still stuck in the past. And he may have not seen how the Dalish react to "city elves" Which is generally badly.
(to Sarquindi) I can't seem them doing that unless something happened they didn't anticipate that prevented them from doing so.
Even if whatever Solas is doing is left for another protagonist to solve, there's no harm in a dlc of short, medium or long length in which it can be established how an Inquisitor considers Solas to help keep characterization consistent if they appear in the next game.
It is something that cannot really be established through the keep as the way things are currently, they only suspect something at best but have no real idea of the scope of things so a dlc in which they gain clues and maybe even a revelation would only benefit.
I certainly hope so, but I'm scared to give my hopes up. 
I'm just hoping they conclude the Solas and Levallan romance. My Levallan wants some closure... but probably not as badly as I do! Haha. And Leliana did say they would keep looking for him. That does suggest a sort of Solas hunt.
(spoiler) I was suspected that there was more going on with him than he let on but in the sense that he might have been an ancient elf or a sleeper - maybe even a servant to something sinister, not the actually-possible-sinister-himself.
It's a credit to the writers that they managed to pour in so much delicious hindsight and still not give it away. Nearly everything he says or does can be seen or interpertated in a different light.
I think it's because most would consider to be preposterous to have a god in the party without it making no sense why it wouldn't put Things overwhelming in their favor but the writers found a way around even that with the fact that he was severely weakened after awakening!
Same, I was convinced that he was an ancient elf or an agent of sorts, I made a joke about him being who he ended up being once though,imagine my surprise!
If you ask Cole to focus on Levellan he says she is bright, not just the anchor but behind it too. I'm not sure if that means her as she is or if she is special in any way. Command in Crestwood also thinks she is something different, but you can explain that as the anchor and she accepts that.
When did he say that? (Bad memory strikes again...)
I think the slumber Abelas and his followers refer to is Uthenera, a sleep-like state that the ancient elves entered voluntarily. Since elves were immortal, it prevented overpopulation and allowed the newer generations to step forth. It make sense that it would be used by Abelas and his followers and why the Temple was in such a decay if they only awoke if something or someone intruded.
Then again, they are guardsmen and not craftsmen... or Abelas stopped when he realised he lost more people to masonry-related accidents than he did intruders.
As for what kind of slumber Solas awoke from, it could be a different sort especially if he just wanted to step out of the world so to speak and spend a while in the Fade.
Solas, your post on the other page, A+++++
UGH but no, dissociative Solas does things to me.
Since he has woken, I think that Solas feels the fade is more real than reality is. (Or at least, it more closely resembles the reality he once knew, and thus finds it more appealing than the waking world.) His only friends until you meet him are spirits, it seems his waking hours were only spent traveling to new locations so he could explore new areas of the fade, and I can only imagine what sort of internal battles he is struggling with given his introverted demeanor and lack of actual people to converse with.
The Thedas that exists now is so far removed from what he knew, the only way he knows how to connect with what he had is to dwell in the fade. When doing that I feel like he encouraged that sense of dissociation with the present, finding comfort in the memories of the past because the present was too painful to deal with.
Then comes Levallan.
A breath of fresh air, a shining light in the darkness that he feels is the present. Someone who could perhaps bring him more comfort than the fade could, someone who tethers him to the now.
However, along with that sense of awareness she brings, he can also feel all of his mistakes looming around him - all that he must fix. Yet, even with all he's done wrong, she somehow emerged. A flower blooming from the ashes.
I can see how his inner conflict would grow from there. She must be an exception, surely not proof that there is hope... but if there is a chance he could fix what he's done, does he not owe it to her to try to fix it? Is there such a thing as fixing what he's done? The world he once knew is burnt down, scattered to the wind, and yet here is Levallan, a familiar song amongst the discord.
yes join me I want all of your hearts to hurt over the tragic troubled figure that is Solas as mine does
Also, changing the subject a little, but:
Re: Solas as an antagonist
Tbh, I love the idea. But I feel it’s a dangerous thing to wish for, since it would have to be done in a certain way for me to truly like it. Because I really fear for his character going off the rails, or some other similar fate. I trust you, Patrick?
I think the reason why I like it a lot is that I don’t see antagonistic as necessarily villain. I wouldn’t want him ever to be a Big Bad, I think Bioware has progressively become a lot better with their writing but that their villains/Big Bads are still very straightforward in their intense villainy. But to have him and the Inquisitor (especially Lavellan, I’m stuck in this) dancing around each other, progressively working towards a same end goal, but with confronting methods. I would love it to there be a way to settle it without violence, I think any less would be a disservice to him. After all, to truly rise to his level, to truly outplay him, you probably have to make him see, understand, put him in the same page.
It would make for a VERY engaging romance, where two people can truly come out as equals. Where the change in both characters comes through following their own paths, not forced on each other.
But! a dangerous thing to wish for! I just don’t want his character to be changed / jump the shark, or to have to really end him or see him ended one way or another…. I’m too emotionally attached by this point.
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