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[scintilla]

When did he say that? (Bad memory strikes again...)

 

Command says they felt the Inquisitor approaching and that they must be alike in some way. Also tells Cole and Solas to shut up because Command isn't talking to them. 

 

If you're talking about Cole here you go:

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@Abelas: I think Solas is being set up as an antagonist. I think if he shows up in the Inquisitor's story again, they'll be at odds. It seems like a lot of the foreshadowing suggests that Solas has plans that are going to cost him and perhaps the entire world a great deal. He may be an attempt at creating a sympathetic prime villain but I'm hoping not. Or his plans were all stopped dead with the loss of the orb, I suppose there's that too. That last dialogue with Cole could mean that he's permanently out of everyone's reach.

[RebbyWriter]

Seriously, I was all like, "Romance all of the things!" but I had to do Solas first hee hee I had to make him my #1 husbando, didn't I? I just started watching the other romances on Youtube and I was like, Cullen is cute and all but he is not Solas! Bull? Okay, I like him but why Ride The Bull when you can

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Be little Red Riding Lavellan that gets eaten by the Wolf.

 

[Hedinve]

Thanks, Scintilla, slow to respond atm, trying to get my little one to sleep.

[Brass_Buckles]

We already know there's something special about the Inquisitor though, beyond the mark.  Whether there's even more to it for Lavellan, we don't know.  But Solas's romance dialogue, second scene... I really think there is an actual honest-to-goodness spirit of wisdom in Lavellan.  The only reasonable explanation I would be able to give for this is that her clan has some sort of ritual involving such for the Keeper's chosen successor.  If you're possessed by a spirit of wisdom, after all, it would be difficult to make unwise decisions for your clan.

[Wheels]

Command says they felt the Inquisitor approaching and that they must be alike in some way. Also tells Cole and Solas to shut up because Command isn't talking to them. 

 

If you're talking about Cole here you go:

Spoiler

 

Ah, yes! Thank you!

[Vylix]

We already know there's something special about the Inquisitor though, beyond the mark.  Whether there's even more to it for Lavellan, we don't know.  But Solas's romance dialogue, second scene... I really think there is an actual honest-to-goodness spirit of wisdom in Lavellan.  The only reasonable explanation I would be able to give for this is that her clan has some sort of ritual involving such for the Keeper's chosen successor.  If you're possessed by a spirit of wisdom, after all, it would be difficult to make unwise decisions for your clan.

or that damn orb screwed with our spirit.

[Brass_Buckles]

Let's go back to my speculation for a moment...

 

Remember what I said about maybe Solas is the reason that Corypheus can't remove the Anchor?

 

It's his power.  He's the only one who could prevent it killing the Inquisitor--and while his primary goal may have been to take the power back, or see to it that the Inquisitor could act in his stead, he chose instead to fortify the Anchor's attachment to the Inquisitor, and to make sure that the Inquisitor lived.  I have no doubt that he could have taken it away... but he didn't.

 

Just because he might see things more in shades of grey, doesn't mean that Solas is not ultimately a good person, or a well-intended person.

 

Part of me thinks, because he denounces the other ancient elven gods, that he doesn't believe himself to be a god.  And yet, does Solas overtly display his power?  No... because he feels he is truly a god, maybe?  He does bless romanced Lavellan, after all...

[Zaori]

 

"You’re real, and it means everyone could be real."

Imagine you’re Solas for a moment, really think about how Solas must feel carrying the weight that he does. It’s an ancient pain, this burden. Once upon a time he was a hot-blooded young elf, who thought he had everything in hand, who thought he had all the answers. He did something huge and world-changing, not to be right, but to “save them”. Once upon a time, Solas stood tall and thought he Knew.

 

Now he’s woken up, and the severity of his error must have hit him so unbearably hard. The sick tendrils of his mistake permeate every facet of Thedas that he turns his gaze to, both in the waking world and in the reflections of the Fade. Now he stands alone in the ashes of what his pride has wrought.

 

I don’t see it as being too far-fetched that he ends up with coping mechanisms. He’s really quite reserved and distant - distant to the other companions (see how he does not join in the game of Wicked Grace), distant to the modern elves, distant even to a romanced Lavellan. He spends a lot of time wrapped up in the Fade and focused on the past. Part of how he deals with the sheer enormity of what he’s done, I sometimes feel, is distancing himself from the Now. This applies mentally. I think it’s easier for him to cope with what’s happened if he views it disjointed, as if from a distance, like he’s depersonalized - like it’s not real.

 

The world Solas has awoken to is literally a waking nightmare for him. It isn’t real, it can’t be. These elves of Now are not his people. They aren’t real, none of this is. He holds everyone at a distance and puts up barriers and looks elsewhere.

 

He has to right his wrong, and the elves of now may suffer for it. It’s easier to deal with the guilt of that thought if they don’t seem fully real to him.

 

But Lavellan blazes so brightly that she gets through some of his barriers, shatters the frosted glass, enough to at least make him see her without a foggy haze hanging between them. And if she’s real, it means everyone else could be real.

 

And it changes everything, but it can’t.

 

SO brilliantly said... 

[Brass_Buckles]

or that damn orb screwed with our spirit.

 

If it did, it likely would have made the Inquisitor more like Fen'Harel... after all, it is his orb and his magic and his influence.

 

But I, like others, do not like to believe this is the only reason that Solas was interested in Lavellan.  And I don't believe it, because he mentions noticing her from the Fade... he may have noticed other, non-romanced Inquisitors, too, but he does not tell them so.  There is already something special about the Inquisitor.  We just don't know what.

[scintilla]

Thanks, Scintilla, slow to respond atm, trying to get my little one to sleep.

 

Ah, yes! Thank you!

 

You're welcome!

 

Here's the second part of that Cole quote about the Inquisitor since he mentions making things real:

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[Shechinah]

I think the power just seeped in, for the lack of a better word, otherwise I see no reason why he wouldn't want to take it back considering his weakened state. I also think it is more of an...impression left by the Foci from when Quizzy caught it.  

[Abelas]

@scintilla

 

Oh, definitely. There’s too much foreshadowing for him to not be antagonistic. I would bet real money on him being at odds with the Inquisition. However, there’s a lot of ways one can be antagonistic without going full out. I think there’s a lot of things up in the air, and so at this point I can just say what I really wished would happen: The sort of confrontation that would be more than… fighting and wading through enemy lines. And multiple ways to resolve that confrontation. 

[Ajna]

We already know there's something special about the Inquisitor though, beyond the mark.  Whether there's even more to it for Lavellan, we don't know.  But Solas's romance dialogue, second scene... I really think there is an actual honest-to-goodness spirit of wisdom in Lavellan.  The only reasonable explanation I would be able to give for this is that her clan has some sort of ritual involving such for the Keeper's chosen successor.  If you're possessed by a spirit of wisdom, after all, it would be difficult to make unwise decisions for your clan.

Ohhh I like this idea...

[Shechinah]

Is it just me or does Clan Lavellan seem to have some monumentally bad luck? I'm inclined to believe it's like a Clan trait and considering the wartable quests, I think it magnifies when they are in a large group.

[vertigomez]

// derails serious philosophical discussion with smut

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eyyyy look what I found!

[zambixi]

Also, changing the subject a little, but:

Re: Solas as an antagonist

 

 

Tbh, I love the idea. But I feel it’s a dangerous thing to wish for, since it would have to be done in a certain way for me to truly like it. Because I really fear for his character going off the rails, or some other similar fate. I trust you, Patrick?

 

I think the reason why I like it a lot is that I don’t see antagonistic as necessarily villain. I wouldn’t want him ever to be a Big Bad, I think Bioware has progressively become a lot better with their writing but that their villains/Big Bads are still very straightforward in their intense villainy. But to have him and the Inquisitor (especially Lavellan, I’m stuck in this) dancing around each other, progressively working towards a same end goal, but with confronting methods. I would love it to there be a way to settle it without violence, I think any less would be a disservice to him. After all, to truly rise to his level, to truly outplay him, you probably have to make him see, understand, put him in the same page.

 

It would make for a VERY engaging romance, where two people can truly come out as equals. Where the change in both characters comes through following their own paths, not forced on each other. 

But! a dangerous thing to wish for! _{I just don’t want his character to be changed / jump the shark, or to have to really end him or see him ended one way or another…. I’m too emotionally attached by this point.} 

 

If they could pull that off, I would love to see it. I would like Lavellan and Solas to be a little more equal. I think part of the reason he can be such a jerk is that she is so much less...knowledgeable than he is. So he assumes that she can't handle the truth. I think it's dumb for her to have to prove herself, but I think if she did then it would solve a lot of problems.

 

 

We already know there's something special about the Inquisitor though, beyond the mark.  Whether there's even more to it for Lavellan, we don't know.  But Solas's romance dialogue, second scene... I really think there is an actual honest-to-goodness spirit of wisdom in Lavellan.  The only reasonable explanation I would be able to give for this is that her clan has some sort of ritual involving such for the Keeper's chosen successor.  If you're possessed by a spirit of wisdom, after all, it would be difficult to make unwise decisions for your clan.

 

Maybe she went through something similar to what the Seeker's do (made tranquil and then made un-tranquil)? I feel like if she were bound to an actual spirit of Wisdom, that would be something Solas would know. It'd also probably come out in the Fade (like it did with Anders/Justice). Or Cole would say something. Binding a spirit to someone also seems unwise since we know that it is very easy to corrupt a spirit and corrupted wisdom = pride.

 

Plus there are the meta-reasons that nothing that happens to Lavellan pre-Inquisition can be too specific: BW doesn't know if a Lavellan will play as a particular type of character romancing a particular elf. Would it make sense for a warrior Assquisitor to be bound to a spirit of wisdom? Plus would BW make an F!Lavellan playthrough that different from a Dwarf, Qunari, or Human playthrough?

 

I do think something is special about her beyond that she's just a cool lady, not sure what though. I don't think Solas knows what either, or else he wouldn't need to ask how/why she changed in scene #2.

 

If it did, it likely would have made the Inquisitor more like Fen'Harel... after all, it is his orb and his magic and his influence.

 

But I, like others, do not like to believe this is the only reason that Solas was interested in Lavellan.  And I don't believe it, because he mentions noticing her from the Fade... he may have noticed other, non-romanced Inquisitors, too, but he does not tell them so.  There is already something special about the Inquisitor.  We just don't know what.

 

I love this idea in headcanon. But again, if he's been watching her then why is he asking her if she's changed? Wouldn't he know? I like to think he notices her from the Fade, but after he meets her. Perhaps when she's lost post-Haven (and following the completely coincidental wolf howls).

[Brass_Buckles]

If you are going to link smut, please be sure to put it under spoiler tags with a warning that it's not safe for work--don't leave the NSFW there after the link, make sure it comes before so we know what it is before we click.  Most of us are adults here, but that makes the behavior less excusable--I've seen several such links posted with no warning at all that they are smut, until I have already gone to the site in question.

 

Am I anti-smut?  No.  Do I want warning before I go clicky clicky on something that I thought might just be fan art but turns out to be smut fic?  Yes.

[vertigomez]

Fixed.

[Eivuwan]

This thread movess so fast. I finally caught up. I'm just going to reply to some themes that were brought up.

 

Lavellan's future: I don't think she would go back to her clan and get married. That's too mundane for someone who has led an inquisition. Should the inquisition end, I am sure that she would keep going on missions to help the world just like Hawke and the Warden. I imagine that she would go looking for Solas, helping people along the way.

 

Solas: I hope that if you became his friend or lover, he would go down a less extreme path, but I am sure that he has to do SOMETHING to ease that burden on his heart.

 

Slice of life: Imagine Solas standing behind Lavellan guiding her hand with his as he teaches her how to paint.

[Kath]

Slice of life: Imagine Solas standing behind Lavellan guiding her hand with his as he teaches her how to paint.

 

Hahaha now I want a Titanic moment.

 

"Solas, I want you to draw me like one of your Elvhen girls."

 

yes, my mind went there. I mean he has the lounge for it in his room, omg.

[zambixi]

Off-topic. I'm going through all the Solas scenes in the game searching for clues, and noticed something that I found strange in the mage-quest. Video with relevant dialogue in spoiler tags:

 

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So....why does he say "them" and not "we" or "us"? Is it just me, or does it sound like he's not only not including himself, but not including the other trapped companions. And he doesn't say "save the world". Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it sounds like he's talking about a specific group of "them".

[Niemaina]

I too feel Solas will be an antagonist, but not a villain necessarily. There is plenty he can do at odds with the Inquisitor, and with the whole of Thedas. There are many ways he cause chaos and damage but I think given what we have learned about him so far, there are also many explanations, many intentions, behind these actions that could keep him from feeling like a Big Bad. I like to hope, perhaps foolishly, that there was significance in dropping the "III" from the title, perhaps insinuating there won't be a typical "IV" but rather more of an Inq. 2. I'd be happy with add-on content rather than a whole new installment, too, but there's definitely unfinished business here and I hope it will be resolved with our Inquisitors. If they put it off and go ahead with the Qunari War (which I've been begging for since Origins, I loved and fanned over Sten and Arishok and pre-released Iron Bull like nothing else and now all of that matters not haha) and come back to it later with a different character, it just won't be as significant, both in story relation and just the fact that it's been so long it might not really matter to some people. They made Solas romanceable last minute, I hope, for a good reason. They could have used some of his content in a platonic manner to get more people to still feel betrayed or invested or whatever else come the epilogue, but they chose to have this romance. A lot of casual players I've met have no interest in Solas. But he seems very popular with the more invested fans. I think that difference in how he's received is significant, and that the romance may lead to a bit more control, another option perhaps, when we do deal with Solas. If he's going to be the antagonist with no way to influence or change him and him only giving off vague "I loved once" or "Change is worth sacrifice" or any other hints to the romance, then I don't really see why they'd bother putting in the effort to make him a romance once the release was extended. I would have worked on making him more important to people in general as a companion or on making elven lore more important to all players. Then again, I have a few speculations for how we deal with Solas that I very much approve of and some that I deeply disapprove of, so I am likely just hoping for things that would make me happy.

[Arahnea]

Finally gotten around to read the Masked Empire.. I definitely think that Felassan wasn't killed by Fen'Harel but most likely a slave or prisoner to another Elven "God" or Forgotten one. Fen'Harel is probably the one where his loyalties lie and he might've been preparing others for his return and found a way to betray his master.

[Shechinah]

I can kind of see my Lavellan returning to her clan to tell them what she's learned and share the knowledge she's gathered about everything but only after matters with the Inquisiton has settled or on brief journeys.

 

(I have this headcanon that she started writing things down such as the bits of the Qun she learned from Iron Bull, the Chantry from Cassandra and the fade-elven things from Solas but it was lost when Haven burned and buried)

 

It might not go well but I can see her trying since it's what a Keeper does and she believes a harsh truth is better than a comfortable lie.

 

This thread really is moving at a quick pace, not that I mind

[NeverlandHunter]

By the Dread Wolf people! Can you guys slow down? XD Every time I take a break from stalking Solas theories 10 new pages appear!! I'll never get through it all!