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[slmisfit]

Does anyone know if OGB has different dialogue for non-Lavellan Inquisitors? When every Inquisitor gets the same dialogue, it kind of loses any special meaning it might have to specific Inquisitors, imo. It's kinda like how Cole says every Inquisitor is bright, but what he says right after that line is unique (with my Qunari, he essentially mentioned sensing rage that was barely held in check). If every Inquisitor gets the

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"ancient blood"

comment from OGB, it kinda throws out a lot of the theories forming in my head.

 

Gah, it can be confusing trying to put things together when the main character can be so many different things. lol

[LobselVith8]

The Dalish in general are cursed, apparently, and prone to being massacred  .

 

True, but Clan Lavellan can also benefit quite a bit with the right choices.

 

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I was rather pleased that Keeper Istimaethoriel became one of the leaders of Wycome, and that the Dalish became heroes of the city-state.

[SamanthaJ]

Completely off topic, but I'm glad Istimaethoriel seems to be a last name and Deshanna her first. Cause when talking to Viv Lavellan called her Keeper Deshanna. And I was so happy because I can pronounce Deshanna and spell it without having to look it up. I did spell it right, didn't I? ****.

[slmisfit]

Hello, I've been lurking for a bit but I wanted to add my two cents.  I also have no idea how to do spoilers.  Please forgive me and teach me your wizarding ways.

 

--  Spoilers, and such

 

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I would really love to hear your guys' opinions on red lyrium versus blue.  I mean it is very clearly connected to the blights.  Everyone, for the past three games, has been talking about the "song" and comparing it to magic.  Also the blights did not occur until the Magisters messed it all up to hell and that was after the Elvhen gods were tucked into the mirror.  I would very very much like to know when lyrium (the regular old blue kind) came into the picture.

 

Because if the Black City is not the seat of the Maker but a world held apart from our own and (I am speculating heavily)  where Fen'Harel hid the old gods, then is it possible that the red lyrium is a sign the bonds are breaking.  That the Black City is leaking into Thedas.  Solas mentions quite a few times that spirits get corrupted when forced through the veil.  Could the red lyrium be the same thing?  Only instead of a simple spirit it's something older and more powerful. 

 

I mention this because that might imply that Fen'harel is possibly (or more probably directly) responsible for the Blights and the red lyrium and half of the magical mess Thedas is in.  It would also explain his insistence that slaying the Archdemons is not helping the Blights.  What if the Old Gods do not equal the Archdemons and instead are corrupted spirits forced through the veil-like prison.  That maybe the problem that Fen'harel is trying to solve.  Whether or not he made the prison it seems fairly likely that he utilized it and now it is failing. 

 

Now if all of my wild speculating is even partially true (and as I have not completed every tiny quest in the game that might hold a snippet of the answer, I could simply be talking out of my butt.), but if it is true then maybe what Fen'harel is so scared of is that he cannot fix this himself.  He needs the Elvhen gods.  He needs their power to rectify his mistake in thinking that locking up powerful beings would solve everything.  Of course that is when his pride comes into the picture.  So will he steal the power or will he awaken his brothers and which is the best solution? 

 

Btw I love you guys and you are all my best friends.  I was so distraught about Solas on my first playthrough that I rushed through to the ending as I could not bear the heartache.  I almost couldn't play the game again, but *sigh* here I am doing it all over again.  I have narrowed down the point when my heart falls for Solas and it is that first laugh "Is that a serious question?" when talking to Varric.  I giggle and sigh every single time and romance the bastard.  I'm honestly so incredibly scared that Solas is not the Dread Wolf, but is instead the best written Pride Demon I have ever seen.  I mean let us not pretend that that is not possible.

 

If you do Varric's personal quest

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with Bianca (the actual Bianca), Bianca reveals that lyrium is - in a sense - alive, and that red lyrium is lyrium that's infected with the Blight. Now, that still doesn't explain what exactly lyrium is or where it came from. I honestly don't know there. Lyrium has connections to both magic and the Fade itself. Maybe lyrium is a part of the Fade that exists in the real world? It might not have come into existence until the Magisters invaded the Fade and the Golden City. Red lyrium definitely didn't exist before then, if that's truly when the Blight started.

 

And then there's the fact that lyrium "sings" to people. Is it possible the "singing" is from the trapped gods? I dunno. If it is the voices of the trapped gods calling out, that might explain why lyrium (both red and blue) drives people insane. In a lot of real-world lore, mortals can't listen to the voices of celestial beings without dying and/or losing their minds.

[Tielis]

Flemeth also has access to some really weird magic.  There's been some speculation that the night when Maric spoke to her in The Stolen Throne, was the night Morrigan was conceived.  And yes, that means Alistair and Morrigan are half-siblings, if true.  It also means that Kieran would be rather... in-bred, if Alistair is the father and not the Warden or Loghain.  But bear in mind that if Morrigan can use magic to make herself fertile, it's likely Flemeth is able to do so as well.  And, twenty years (which is how old Morrigan is when we first meet her) is a long time.  If Flemeth were in her late 30s or early 40s when Morrigan were conceived, she'd obviously look a whole lot older 20 years later, nevermind 30+ years--Morrigan is now most likely in her 30s.

 

Morrigan... Morgan le Fay, King Arthur, and Mordred.

 

The name Kieran apparently comes from Ciarán.  Here's the first search result that popped up for me:  Ciarán (Irish) or Ciaran (Scottish) is a Gaelic male given name meaning "little dark one" or "blacky", produced by appending a diminutive suffix to ciar ("black", "dark").

[SamanthaJ]

Hot damn.

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[_Lucinia]

 I was so distraught about Solas on my first playthrough that I rushed through to the ending as I could not bear the heartache.  I almost couldn't play the game again, but *sigh* here I am doing it all over again.  I have narrowed down the point when my heart falls for Solas and it is that first laugh "Is that a serious question?" when talking to Varric.  I giggle and sigh every single time and romance the bastard. 

Ahhh so I'm not the only one!  I intended for my first play through to be my completionist run.  But that last romance scene killed me, I right away started the end game stuff. Was like ripping off a bandaid.  Had to end it.

So funny it was that EXACT SAME moment for me, that Solas wooed my Lavellan.  Did you read my mind or something!

[RebbyWriter]

SamanthaJ I'm out of likes. Have my likes. *tosses likes to youu*

[Niemaina]

Hot damn.

 

Oh wow. I'm working on a piece now to do a Dread Wolf in the forest type thing, but now I wanna skip the robes. If only I had that kind of talent for abs unf

[Cheerios789]

@slmsfit

 

Yeah I did that quest and I definitely found it intriguing especially since I think that was the one that confirmed how Cory-penis escaped death at Hawke's hands.  (Like we have all been speculating about for years now.)  But yeah Lyrium has been called a song and such for while and I like that.  I especially like how it has been suggested more fervently in this game that lyrium is not benevolent and should not be used.  For that reason none of my mages have partaken in Lyrium in Inquisition.

 

I feel like I recall someone (maybe in Origins) talking about lyrium as the bones of old gods.  I feel like it was a throwaway codex or something and meant to be poetic versus literal, but it raises an interesting point. 

 

There are just so many questions.  Like if the mirror is a gateway to another world like Morrigan said.  I think she called it another "in between place", then what happens if it is warped?  Could that have been the problem Fen'harel did not foresee? 

 

Also, a little while ago you guys were talking about what is different about the Inquisitor and what is Solas referring to when he mentions it.  Personally, I truly feel as though we were creating a legend and hero in this game more than in any of the others.  Like it was more than respect and admiration your Inquisitor gains throughout the game.  It was even more than just simple power.  The Inquisitor gained the fervent veneration of the people of Thedas.  When Solas thinks that the Inquisitor is "real, then they could all be real."  Perhaps he is referencing that the Inquisitor has reached a pre-godlike status.  Like the circumstances surrounding her /or him was similar to how the old elvhen gods became "real".  After all there is so much myth and legend surrounding the elvhen that Solas is constantly poking holes in. 

 

"It all comes down to people."

 

I'm not saying that the Inquisitor is immortal now or anything, but I think there is a comparison there to divinity.  If the people decide you are divine, then you might as well be a god.  It would also explain why there is such a dramatic difference in whether or not you have Solas approval in how he speaks to you.  Either he hates you, like really fraking hates you or he is almost swept up in the marvelous treasure that the Inquisitor is. 

[CrazyRah]

True, but Clan Lavellan can also benefit quite a bit with the right choices.

 

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I was rather pleased that Keeper Istimaethoriel became one of the leaders of Wycome, and that the Dalish became heroes of the city-state.

 

Quite liked that. Gotta take the good things when we can

[Cheerios789]

Ahhh so I'm not the only one!  I intended for my first play through to be my completionist run.  But that last romance scene killed me, I right away started the end game stuff. Was like ripping off a bandaid.  Had to end it.

So funny it was that EXACT SAME moment for me, that Solas wooed my Lavellan.  Did you read my mind or something!

 

I could gush over that dumb character for hours.  Or more likely days and weeks.  I just ... he is so well written and intriguing.  I am not one of those fan girls that flock to demigods or powerful characters.  Usually they are trite and tiresome.  But Solas is just so commanding and perfect.  Like I literally cannot stop falling for that dumb elf.  Every single thing he says I'm like, "Oh yes, I love that too!  I believe everything you do!  Let's tear down the sky and bring the world to ruin together!"

 

Honestly, that terrifies me.  Like how did they write such a manipulating character?  That me, as a person, not an avatar or character is swayed by the opinions of an npc?  I am so scared that he is not the anti-hero we hope and pray that he is.  I mean I'm scared, but deliciously scared.  Like I'm some kind of masochist that wants him to leave my poor Lavellan ruined, because she literally fell for the bad guy. 

[Abelas]

@Cheerios789

I still need to just read every single codex entry I can find when I have the time again, to build a “Grand Theory of Everything”, however:

 

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-          We know red lyrium is alive. And in the future where the breach was expanded, it was growing literally everywhere.

-          I also think that Fen’Harel hid the Old Gods in this Black City (though at the time it was not the black city), that this Black City may be Arlathan but corrupted. And that what Fen’Harel did eventually lead to the extensive damage that Thedas is going through (though, debatable, since it seems a LOT of events had to happen that the dude had no hand on);

-          I think that’s exactly why Solas is so over the head desperate. After all, it’s no easy solution. I mean it’s not just elves being oppressed and that is already a pretty big deal. The blights may nearly wipe out everything, the veil had pretty dire consequences regarding magic/mages. And he’s wrecking his brain to find an answer to it all, and he can’t. Other than undo everything, I guess.    

 

I'll return to this when I have more time and can better arrange my thoughts though. 

[Basement Cat]

If you do Varric's personal quest

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with Bianca (the actual Bianca), Bianca reveals that lyrium is - in a sense - alive, and that red lyrium is lyrium that's infected with the Blight. Now, that still doesn't explain what exactly lyrium is or where it came from. I honestly don't know there. Lyrium has connections to both magic and the Fade itself. Maybe lyrium is a part of the Fade that exists in the real world? It might not have come into existence until the Magisters invaded the Fade and the Golden City. Red lyrium definitely didn't exist before then, if that's truly when the Blight started.

 

And then there's the fact that lyrium "sings" to people. Is it possible the "singing" is from the trapped gods? I dunno. If it is the voices of the trapped gods calling out, that might explain why lyrium (both red and blue) drives people insane. In a lot of real-world lore, mortals can't listen to the voices of celestial beings without dying and/or losing their minds.

You know, that bit reminded me of something from another game.

 

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The Lifestream from Final Fantasy 7. It's a blue/green energy that is basically where all life returns after death and makes new life happen. It can congeal into crystals called 'materia' that allow people to cast magic. If you take that analogy, lyrium is basically the life blood of the planet. Or a 'stream of souls'. It makes magic a whole lot creepier if that's what's going on. The 'singing' could be from souls, and of course it would drive people mad. Who could handle having the thoughts and emotions of several people inside them? Where do demons and spirits come from? Are they souls unable to be reborn? Is that why they are so attracted to mortals? So they could achieve that feeling of being complete again? What happens to a mage's sould when they die? Does their greater sensitivity to the fade mean that their soul will become a spirit or demon?

 

I'm rambling. Moving on.

[M i l k y]

I know I'm late to the party but I just finished the game, and... *sigh*

 

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I have a real hard time not feeling bitter about it all. For a start, Solas just.. leaves. There's no conversation between the two of them. There's no closure for my Lavellan or myself. I went straight into Solas' little corner of Skyhold after for a note or... just, something, and I started bawling when I saw that the last painting of his mural was only half finished. Why, Solas WHYYYY? :'( First you break up with me and then you leave!? Seriously, my heart can't take this and all of a sudden I don't really care about anything else. All my companions were celebrating and I was just like.. meh.

 

So Solas is apparently the Dread Wolf. Does he kill Flemeth or something? I couldn't quite tell what was happening. AHHHH CONFUSION.

 

All I can hope for is a DLC that will answer all our questions. My Lavellan will follow him to the ends of the earth and kick his ass, then embrace him and never let him go. :'( I mean, the ending was so... abrupt, that there's gotta be a DLC, right!?

[Kulyok]

I think by this point we can safely conclude: whatever catastrophe befell, is befalling or will befall Thedas, 

 

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Solas did it.

[Cheerios789]

@Abelas

 

I am your humble servant and await your grand theory.  I'm working through my completionist playthrough currently and would love to theory craft with you.  I have a disease and it's name is Dragon Age.

 

The thing about Lyrium being "alive" bothers me though.  What does alive mean?  Does it mean that is an entity or that it acts with a purpose?  Because if it is Old Gods bleeding through then that could mean the "alive" / "song" / "magic" aspect that all lyrium has.

[Birdy]

Just curious, but does it say anywhere how the Dalish decide which god's tattoo they will receive?  Does the elf decide themselves or is it based off of anything else?  I wonder if there is a Fen'Harel tattoo.  

I think Merrill talks about it a bit in DA2, If I remember correctly individuals choose what god to "worship"

[Tielis]

You know, that bit reminded me of something from another game.

 

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The Lifestream from Final Fantasy 7. It's a blue/green energy that is basically where all life returns after death and makes new life happen. It can congeal into crystals called 'materia' that allow people to cast magic. If you take that analogy, lyrium is basically the life blood of the planet. Or a 'stream of souls'. It makes magic a whole lot creepier if that's what's going on. The 'singing' could be from souls, and of course it would drive people mad. Who could handle having the thoughts and emotions of several people inside them? Where do demons and spirits come from? Are they souls unable to be reborn? Is that why they are so attracted to mortals? So they could achieve that feeling of being complete again? What happens to a mage's sould when they die? Does their greater sensitivity to the fade mean that their soul will become a spirit or demon?

 

I'm rambling. Moving on.

 

That's interesting.  I've never played the FF games, but I can see how this fits.  My first ideas about lyrium were similar -- I think it is the divine force of creation.  There are no gods in Thedas, the lyrium is "God", but in a divine and expansive mystery sort of way.  Bah, I'm rambling.

[Birdy]

I know I'm late to the party but I just finished the game, and... *sigh*

 

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I have a real hard time not feeling bitter about it all. For a start, Solas just.. leaves. There's no conversation between the two of them. There's no closure for my Lavellan or myself. I went straight into Solas' little corner of Skyhold after for a note or... just, something, and I started bawling when I saw that the last painting of his mural was only half finished. Why, Solas WHYYYY? :'( First you break up with me and then you leave!? Seriously, my heart can't take this and all of a sudden I don't really care about anything else. All my companions were celebrating and I was just like.. meh.

 

So Solas is apparently the Dread Wolf. Does he kill Flemeth or something? I couldn't quite tell what was happening. AHHHH CONFUSION.

 

All I can hope for is a DLC that will answer all our questions. My Lavellan will follow him to the ends of the earth and kick his ass, then embrace him and never let him go. :'( I mean, the ending was so... abrupt, that there's gotta be a DLC, right!?

There there, we're all in pain.
 

I'll never get tired of the gifs.  XD

[vertigomez]

You know, that bit reminded me of something from another game.
 

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The Lifestream from Final Fantasy 7. It's a blue/green energy that is basically where all life returns after death and makes new life happen. It can congeal into crystals called 'materia' that allow people to cast magic. If you take that analogy, lyrium is basically the life blood of the planet. Or a 'stream of souls'. It makes magic a whole lot creepier if that's what's going on. The 'singing' could be from souls, and of course it would drive people mad. Who could handle having the thoughts and emotions of several people inside them? Where do demons and spirits come from? Are they souls unable to be reborn? Is that why they are so attracted to mortals? So they could achieve that feeling of being complete again? What happens to a mage's sould when they die? Does their greater sensitivity to the fade mean that their soul will become a spirit or demon?
 
I'm rambling. Moving on.

Queridaaaa~!

Ahem. What I meant to say is if that's true, it's creepy as fcuk. Lyrium is people. Lyrium is like the Wall of the Faithless (any MotB fans in here?) continuously absorbing and contorting souls until there's nothing left of them but echoes of agony...

[Arahnea]

My boyfriend hardly uses Solas in his party . I'm trying to tell him that he should bring him for story reasons, but does he listen.. noooooooo, he just takes Viv everywhere :@

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

So after finishing my second playthrough with a Solas romance, I can certainly see why his character has so many fans. 

 

Not that I did not like his character before, but that final romance scene was great.

[Tielis]

There there, we're all in pain.

 

This thread is definitely a support group.  

 

I think the cycle goes:  Shock -> Anger -> Bitterness -> Frustration -> Hope

 

Then I think it kind of turns into a weird Hope/Fear amalgam that is quite uncomfortable.

[nightwolf667]

It's funny, I've come to actually enoy the American voice when roleplaying an ex-City Elf Dalish. The game doesn't give you a lot on that front when it comes to roleplay, but it's a great way to get the City Elf in even if they don't have the background. Solas Romance of course.

 

Also, if anyone's wondering, the way to cross-class armor is by crafting it with Silverite. Silverite will remove most clas restritions (but won't allow non-Dalish to wear Dalish armor. Sorry, Sera. )