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And Grunt comes and visits every month with a new battle scar to proudly show his Battle Mother/Master and the children, knowing that each time he comes home there will be a new dinosaur toy waiting for him in his room....  :(

 

 

Also, WHY am I always out of likes when I want to use them the most?!

 

Aw, Grunt.  You know I love Dragon Age, obviously, but I am still not as attached to the characters as I was with Mass Effect.  Though I am far more attached to the story.  I really need to know the secrets of the Fade and what is to come.



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I honestly find it hard to write sad moments, as well. Sometimes, when I start killing a character off, I'm like.."Maybe I shouldn't" but that's usually because I love that character and, if you feel like them that much, then you might be able to get that emotion out of someone else.

 

I cackle when I write a great plot twist and people come up to me and go "You little sh*t!" afterwards. :lol:



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*Note to self: Keep Merill away from Solas... She would probably want to steal him from my Lavellan  :blink:

 

You think Merrill would be interested in an intelligent, atypical elf, eh?

 

Revas Lavellan, note to self: visit Kirkwall after defeating the Elder One.  :ph34r:


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Hey, I don't know if this has been brought up.  But what about that thing Cole said.

 

"He hunts for her killer, but he's the one who killed her.  He just doesn't remember."

 

Could that reference Mythal?

 

Also, I don't know how to hide spoilers.  Please tell me.  :(


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I believe that is a reference to a movie, but I forgot the one. 



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More of Solas being elfier-than-thou? lol
"She" is Sera btw.

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What I fear the most is the fact that we have absolutely no idea what kind of ending they can pull on us. We knew that something was up with Anders. We knew that Thane would bite the dust eventually. We knew that Morrigan just had to do her thing. But we don't know what they could give us as the resolution for Solas' romance in a DLC.

Solas dies: Could happen, if he is one giant unlucky egg, but would hopefully involve Lavellan staying by his side.
Lavellan dies: Protects him or gets killed by him, I could see either becoming true.
Solas flees yet again: Never say never.
Lavellan has to fight him and seal him away: Also possible.

Ugh. This huuuurts. This will hurt, right? :(

 

I'd kind of enjoy watching Lavellan die to protect him.  I downloaded a mod for DA: O that allowed my Warden to take the final blow to the Archdemon and make the ultimate sacrifice while in a romance with Alistair (she knocked him out to stop him).  It was my favorite ending for DA: O, too.  It's oddly satisfying to watch my protagonist die for the one she loves.

 

Though, honestly, I'm still hoping for the possibility of some kind of happy ending.  Please  :crying:



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Hey, I don't know if this has been brought up.  But what about that thing Cole said.

 

"He hunts for her killer, but he's the one who killed her.  He just doesn't remember."

 

Could that reference Mythal?

 

Also, I don't know how to hide spoilers.  Please tell me.  :(

I think that is a movie reference.  

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Ya know, as far as romances go in these games; I really feel like because the Hero of the story is dealing with such completely insane, dangerous, world-shaking events -- a Happy-Ever-After would in some ways feel unrealistic.  I think the easiest thing in the world would be for the writers to not take us on these heart-wrenching journeys.  Which goes hand in hand with why these characters, and moments end up affecting us so much.  

Thane hurt.  A lot.  Anders's betrayal suuuuuucked (I just can't kill him even though he did a monstrous thing).  Shepard can have a happy ending in a way

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 I think the closest thing a DA protagonist gets to a happy ending is happy for a time.  

I don't think I really had a point.  Was more just writing down some reflections I was having.  

I think that is one of the things I love about Bioware's games- the relationships be they friendships or romance are only ever "happy for a time" which really reflects reality- even in long-term to the deathbed romantic relationships like those couples you see on talk TV who have been married for 75 years - it isn't happy all the time, there is a lot of fighting, hard work, and sacrifice involved and sometimes they they  have to sacrifice what they want for what is best in the long term..I see my Solavellan like this- he knows there is something bigger he has to do that may decide the fate of all races on Thedas (esp if he is removing the Veil, wakening peoples gods etc) and that this is important- perhaps more important than what he was trying to do when he imprisoned the Elven Gods and created the Veil- he knows that his past actions have thrown the balance of the natural and magical world off in Thedas (hence Blight, Red Lyrium, treatment of elves and mages, disintegration and extinction of all elves/elven culture) and he must fix it- My Lavellan isn't happy- but senses his conflict and that there is something greater going on and would probably help him try to fix it if things went a#* over teakettle again and would forgive him... my Bioware characters tend to be very forgiving - Shep forgave Kaidan, Hawke forgave Anders, and eventually my Cousland forgave Alistair for refusing the Dark Ritual and sacrificing himself so she could live ... maybe they are to forgiving



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I think that is a movie reference.  

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Ah, thank you.  I am very much guilty of overparsing every comment for some truth. 



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I know I'm late to the party but I just finished the game, and... *sigh*

 

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Ahaha, sorry guys, had to lighten the mood again. 

PLS NO SOLAS DEATH


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Regarding Merrill and Solas... I think Solas would enjoy her inquisitive nature and open-minded view of spirits. But at the same time, I think he would be frustrated by her naivete.

 

And I'd love to hear Cole and Solas's opinion on Anders/ Justice.



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Nah, Merril also represents for Solas everything that's wrong with the current Dalish culture. With Lavellan around, he'd never go for her. She'd view Solas as too friendy with spirits, much in the same way she views Anders. Those two are kindred, they even fill the same character slot in the lineup, but the very things that would draw them to each other would also drive them apart.

 

Anders' views on the Fade are different than how Solas views the Beyond, including their perception of spirits. Anders was a bit pushy, with his refusal to accept that she didn't view 'Spirits' and 'Demons' as the 'First Children of the Maker' and those who turned their backs on the Maker to embody 'different sins'; he was quite Andrastian, and seemed to have this inability to grasp that her cultural views gave her a very different perspective on the world, and the Beyond, than the one he held. Merrill disagreed with Anders' very black and white view of the denizens of the Beyond.

 

Solas is entirely different, in the sense that he shares his views on spirits and the Beyond with a curious Lavellan, and while he vocally agrees or disagrees with certain ideological actions (from the schism between the mages and templars to what the Inquisitor does with the Grey Wardens), he doesn't really seem to push his spiritual views on anyone in the same fashion that Anders did (although I can understand why, given the context of bringing the Chant to the four corners of the world, and all that).

 

I think Merrill would jump at the chance to pick Solas' brain about the past. What it was truly like, what discoveries he's made in the Beyond, what he's learned about spirits. To finally have someone who could answer those questions is something that I think would really peak her interest. Perhaps I'm somewhat biased because I expected to dislike Solas when I heard he was anti-Dalish, and found him to be a very intriguing character who ended up becoming a good friend worthy of my respect, so maybe I expect that she might have a similar reaction.


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Ahaha, sorry guys, had to lighten the mood again. 

PLS NO SOLAS DEATH

 

omg that's hilarious.

 

Regarding Merrill and Solas... I think Solas would enjoy her inquisitive nature and open-minded view of spirits. But at the same time, I think he would be frustrated by her naivete.

 

And I'd love to hear Cole and Solas's opinion on Anders/ Justice.

 

I agree that he would be rather frustrated by her. Merril never strikes me as "I want to learn" but as "I'm right and you're wrong".



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Ahaha, sorry guys, had to lighten the mood again. 
PLS NO SOLAS DEATH


That comic cracks me up everytime.
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Regarding Merrill and Solas... I think Solas would enjoy her inquisitive nature and open-minded view of spirits. But at the same time, I think he would be frustrated by her naivete.
 
And I'd love to hear Cole and Solas's opinion on Anders/ Justice.


It would be so fun if somebody spliced together dialogue from both games, like this "banter" between Fenris and Leliana:


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I see them as being very different from each other-- all you have to do is look at what gains Merrils approval/friendship in DA2 compared to what gains Solas's approval and friendship/love.. Merrill from when you first meet her in DAO is all about saving the knowledge even if it means sacrificing people- she is willing to potentially sacrifice Tamlen and the Warden out  of her desire to  explore the Elven ruins in the Brecilian Forest, later in DA2 when faced with a choice between continuing to rebuild the Eluvian at the behest of a corrupted spirit (since that is what demons are) and sacrificing her clan and the Keeper who was practically a mother to her - she willingly chooses the object over the people even if she regrets it in the end. yes you can convince her not to sacrifice Maretheri and the clan if your relationship is good enough but then she gets mad at you. Solas in contrast is willing to put people first- moreso mages and elves than humans and non-mages yes, but he still puts them first even if it means that buildings are turned into rubble, or historical artifacts are lost... I think this would be a major bone of contention between the two of them esp what Merrill was willing to do to protect the Eluvian.


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I can't see Solas and Merrill being anything other than loose friends, and I adored Merrill to absolute bits for her role in DA2. However, she's just far too naive and sure of her way of doing things up until everything thing explodes in her face for me to see Solas ever actually taking more than a friendly interest in her. Actually, I could see almost a mentor/student relationship evolving after everything has happened and Merrill has learned the hard way that blind confidence in one's actions lead to undesired results. However beyond that, I can't see much more. Not the least of which because my Hawke isn't the kind of lady to share. :P She'd be cuddling Merrill every second she was given.


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I see them as being very different from each other-- all you have to do is look at what gains Merrils approval/friendship in DA2 compared to what gains Solas's approval and friendship/love.. Merrill from when you first meet her in DAO is all about saving the knowledge even if it means sacrificing people- she is willing to potentially sacrifice Tamlen and the Warden out her desire to take explore the Elven ruins in the Brecilian Forest

 

Merrill and Mahariel are searching for Tamlen in the ruins; that's the reason Keeper Marethari sends them there. In fact, Tamlen's loss (and potentially Mahariel's) are what propels Merrill to build her own Eluvian.

 

later in DA2 when faced with a choice between continuing to rebuild the Eluvian at the behest of a corrupted spirit (since that is what demons are) and sacrificing her clan and the Keeper who was practically a mother to her - she willingly chooses the object over the people even if she regrets it in the end.

 

That's not what happened. Merrill is building the Eluvian from lore she gathered about the Eluvians, and information she extrapolated from the shard; there's no choice made between the Sabare Clan or the Eluvian. Merrill sought out Audacity because she needed to learn blood magic, but she brokered no bargain with the spirit. Merrill specifically left the clan because she wanted to go her own way, and build the Eluvian, which Marethari opposed. Marethari also kept the clan at Sundermount longer than they should have been there, as Merrill explicitly notes in Act III.

 

yes you can convince her not to sacrifice Maretheri and the clan if your relationship is good enough but then she gets mad at you.

 

Merrill is angry at Hawke in Act II because he can withhold what she earned when she invoked vir sulevanan and asked for the arulin'holm; I find it rather problematic that Hawke can basically act like he knows better than Merrill when he withholds the tool from her, because Hawke knows next to nothing about elven culture, the Dalish, or the Eluvians.

 

Solas in contrast is willing to put people first- moreso mages and elves than humans and non-mages yes, but he still puts them first even if it means that buildings are turned into rubble, or historical artifacts are lost... I think this would be a major bone of contention between the two of them esp what Merrill was willing to do to protect the Eluvian.

 

Merrill is building the Eluvian because she wants to help the People; she thinks the technology can benefit them, and "The Masked Empire" would suggest she was right about how useful it can be to the Elvhen. Solas also tries to help the People, as we discover throughout the narrative.


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#28246
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I feel like the only person in the world that can't stand Merrill.

 

Back on topic. Moar Solas fanart! Yum Yum!

 


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Ok, so people were talking about how they made sure to not give Solas good items once they knew he was going to

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I decided to craft an armor for him instead so that he will have something that I made personally hah. He can't forget me now because he's too poor to buy new clothes.

 

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I feel like the only person in the world that can't stand Merrill.

 

Back on topic. Moar Solas fanart! Yum Yum!

 

 

I've softened on Merrill a lot over the years since DA2.  I couldn't stand her when I first played, but now, she reminds me a bit of me when I was in high school/early college.  Curious, well-meaning, but hell bent on believing that I knew better than everyone else.  It's made me empathize with her a lot more.

 

Oh god, dat Solas smirk.  May the Dread Wolf take me. 



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I'd kind of enjoy watching Lavellan die to protect him.  I downloaded a mod for DA: O that allowed my Warden to take the final blow to the Archdemon and make the ultimate sacrifice while in a romance with Alistair (she knocked him out to stop him).  It was my favorite ending for DA: O, too.  It's oddly satisfying to watch my protagonist die for the one she loves.
 
Though, honestly, I'm still hoping for the possibility of some kind of happy ending.  Please  :crying:

The best ending I can imagine for Solas and Lavellan is after Solas screw things up again like unleashing bunch of angry harsh elven gods, Lavellan stops him and convince him there is better way to fix his previous mistake. It ends up like Solas gives up immortality up undone the mess he made, then he and Lavellan will travel together to retrieve Elven culture or anything...
I just want to see Solas and Lavellan be together...
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Woohoo finally caught up!
I'm just going to say something witty (I find myself funnier than I actually am), congratulate people for noticing things that go over my head, and now go to bed-- only to wake up tomorrow and see 20 more pages need to to be read.
It's a never ending cycle.