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I just want to see Solas and Lavellan be together...

 

I'm hoping for the best and bracing for the worst.  I'd love to see them together, happy, and without the shadow of deception between them.  And I'm also bracing for the very real possibility of a giant fountain of tears.

 

But on some level, I'm glad he left and shook up the relationship.  At least for my Lavellan, the power and experience discrepancy between them would've made the relationship problematic even if he had stayed; he had a lot of influence over her, and she deferred to him more than was wise.  


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Beloved and precious my ass.

 

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Beloved and precious my ass.

 

:(

 

I laughed when that popped up after he broke my Lavellan's heart. I may be a little unkind to her.


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Solas literally said elven glory during What Pride has Wrought. 


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#28255
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Solas literally said elven glory during What Pride has Wrought. 

 

What? When?  At the Temple of Mythal?



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I just want to see Solas and Lavellan be together...

 

I hope you get that outcome, as well as all of you who romanced Solas.


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I'm hoping for the best and bracing for the worst.  I'd love to see them together, happy, and without the shadow of deception between them.  And I'm also bracing for the very real possibility of a giant fountain of tears.

 

But on some level, I'm glad he left and shook up the relationship.  At least for my Lavellan, the power and experience discrepancy between them would've made the relationship problematic even if he had stayed; he had a lot of influence over her, and she deferred to him more than was wise.  

 

There was no way for the relationship to go forward at that point. Because of their circumstances and responsibilities, he had to leave, and Levallen had to stay. I didn't find that there was huge power discrepancy between Solas and my Levallen, since she frequently did not heed his advice (though she valued it). But the relationship was really at the breaking point, even if Lavellan didn't quite realize it, due to the weight of Solas' past/ lies/ responsibilities/ mysterious goals.

 

I just hope their relationship gets some closure. And even though I can imagine plenty of unhappy endings for them, I'm still holding out hope for a happy one.

 

 

 

I laughed when that popped up after he broke my Lavellan's heart. I may be a little unkind to her.

 

I didn't even realize it the first time, since I was too shocked by the way the scene played out. But I certainly laughed at the irony after I realized the name of the achievement.



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What? When?  At the Temple of Mythal?

Yup. When talking about the place during ambient dialogue he said something about "what remains of elven glory".



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Hey Solas people, I just finished the game and I wanted to check and ask something here about it (obviously it concerns Solas)

I'll ask in spoiler tags just in case....  (Ok fyi, it ending up me rambling more than asking a question lol)

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Anders' views on the Fade are different than how Solas views the Beyond, including their perception of spirits. Anders was a bit pushy, with his refusal to accept that she didn't view 'Spirits' and 'Demons' as the 'First Children of the Maker' and those who turned their backs on the Maker to embody 'different sins'; he was quite Andrastian, and seemed to have this inability to grasp that her cultural views gave her a very different perspective on the world, and the Beyond, than the one he held. Merrill disagreed with Anders' very black and white view of the denizens of the Beyond.

 

Solas is entirely different, in the sense that he shares his views on spirits and the Beyond with a curious Lavellan, and while he vocally agrees or disagrees with certain ideological actions (from the schism between the mages and templars to what the Inquisitor does with the Grey Wardens), he doesn't really seem to push his spiritual views on anyone in the same fashion that Anders did (although I can understand why, given the context of bringing the Chant to the four corners of the world, and all that).

 

I think Merrill would jump at the chance to pick Solas' brain about the past. What it was truly like, what discoveries he's made in the Beyond, what he's learned about spirits. To finally have someone who could answer those questions is something that I think would really peak her interest. Perhaps I'm somewhat biased because I expected to dislike Solas when I heard he was anti-Dalish, and found him to be a very intriguing character who ended up becoming a good friend worthy of my respect, so maybe I expect that she might have a similar reaction.

 

Merril believes too much in her own culture to have it torn down on the basis of "because I said so". She is Dalish through and through, she would come to Solas from a position of superiority because he is not (from her perspective) one of the People. She'd condescend to him much in the same way she does with Fenris. He comes with interesting information, sure, but he has no proof to back up his claims. Merril is too intelligent and believes too strongly in her people's lore to take him at face value or accept it simply because "he saw it in the Fade". She is inquisitive and she'd want to know where he found it, then she'd want to see his proof for herself. She bargained with the demon because it gave her what she needed to do what she wanted. For all that she's naive,she's also clever, intelligent, and talented. Her demon is Pride and one of the weapons you can find on her persona quest is Hubris, pride is her achilles heel. She and Solas make the same mistakes, which is pretty much why they'd never be able to stand each other.

 

Ultimately, the lies Solas tells would be the nail in the coffin of that relationship. His lies only stand up when they are taken at face value or simply accepted, ask too many questions about where he gets his information and it all comes tumbling down like a house of cards in a stiff breeze. He didn't create a good enough cover to withstand harsh scrutiny and the only reason he survives is because most of the characters consider him to be trustworthy. The ones that don't overlook him, including those who should know better. Either way, when people ask questions in Inquisition they aren't asking the right ones and they don't double check. It's how both Solas and Blackwall slide in under the radar. (Which is funny because there are enough holes in his story that both Leliana and Bull should be checking simply out of habit on the basis that they are spies and no one is trustworthy. Multiple characters do notice his inconsistencies, they just never press deeper.)

 

Eventually, he'd have to come clean and when he did she'd accuse him of trying to destroy her all along. It's the same fear he has about Lavellan, actually. Merill is also too trusting when it comes to spirits and she doesn't differentiate. While it never hurts to listen, Solas isn't a fan of walking in blindly when it comes to dealngs in the Fade. He wants us to trust him and his advice, not spirits in general. Merril knowingly making a deal with a pride demon and actively advocating for deals with others just because they offer would get in his craw, especially when it came to someone he was protecting/cared about. Imagine the encounter with Sloth or one of the other demons in 2 with Lavellan and Solas both there. Merrill advocates for Lavellan to trust and make a deal with the demon, depending on what the demon wanted he'd flip out.

 

They have just enough similarities to get along initially and then just enough differences to drive each other batty, which is why I actually brought up Anders. Anders and Aveline are both a great examples of what happens when anyone tries to tell Merrill what to do. She resents anyone disagreeing with her and she doesn't want to debate it. If anything, Solas would probably land himself in the same role as the Keeper, but without any of the Keeper's actual authority over her.


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Hey Solas people, I just finished the game and I wanted to check and ask something here about it (obviously it concerns Solas)

I'll ask in spoiler tags just in case....  (Ok fyi, it ending up me rambling more than asking a question lol)

Spoiler

 

Spoiler


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Hey Solas people, I just finished the game and I wanted to check and ask something here about it (obviously it concerns Solas)

I'll ask in spoiler tags just in case....  (Ok fyi, it ending up me rambling more than asking a question lol)

Spoiler

 

There are a bunch of different theories, but no one is really certain what happened during that final sequence. A lot of the insight you get into Solas' character comes through party banter, and his dialogue during main story quests (especially at the Temple of Mythal). Sadly, he is not a companion with many cut scenes or dialogue about himself... for obvious reasons, I suppose. But none of it really explains any more about that last scene.

 

Still, his romance arc was very heartbreaking and romantic.. and most of us here enjoyed it tremendously. I'd recommend playing through it at least once :)



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So in terms of raw talents, what isn't Solas good at? He's a strategist, a historian, wins chess without a board, an artist, a powerful magic user, a charmer... next thing we know, he actually knows how to play the flute or something.


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So in terms of raw talents, what isn't Solas good at? He's a strategist, a historian, wins chess without a board, an artist, a powerful magic user, a charmer... next thing we know, he actually knows how to play the flute or something.

I bet he can sing *sighs dreamily*

 

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So in terms of raw talents, what isn't Solas good at? He's a strategist, a historian, wins chess without a board, an artist, a powerful magic user, a charmer... next thing we know, he actually knows how to play the flute or something.

 

Well, he can be prideful/ arrogant. And sometimes he sets his coattails on fire.


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There are a bunch of different theories, but no one is really certain what happened during that final sequence. A lot of the insight you get into Solas' character comes through party banter, and his dialogue during main story quests (especially at the Temple of Mythal). Sadly, he is not a companion with many cut scenes or dialogue about himself... for obvious reasons, I suppose. But none of it really explains any more about that last scene.

 

Still, his romance arc was very heartbreaking and romantic.. and most of us here enjoyed it tremendously. I'd recommend playing through it at least once :)

Oh I do like your ideas much more, haha.  

Also thank you for your insight, I was slightly worried I missed a companion quest with him, but it seems I got most of what I should have which is a relief.  

I don't think I'll be able to stay away from the romance forever since he is so interesting, let's just say that Cullen is lucky I played a human.  Solas really snuck up on me in that regard.  I probably just need to pull myself together first though haha.  :lol:


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Merril believes too much in her own culture to have it torn down on the basis of "because I said so". She is Dalish through and through, she would come to Solas from a position of superiority because he is not (from her perspective) one of the People. She'd condescend to him much in the same way she does with Fenris. He comes with interesting information, sure, but he has no proof to back up his claims. Merril is too intelligent and believes too strongly in her people's lore to take him at face value or accept it simply because "he saw it in the Fade". She is inquisitive and she'd want to know where he found it, then she'd want to see his proof for herself. She bargained with the demon because it gave her what she needed to do what she wanted. For all that she's naive,she's also clever, intelligent, and talented. Her demon is Pride and one of the weapons you can find on her persona quest is Hubris, pride is her achilles heel. She and Solas make the same mistakes, which is pretty much why they'd never be able to stand each other.

 

Merrill treats her non-Dalish companions fairly in Kirkwall. The fact that Merrill cares about the Kirkwall elves in Dragon Age II (expressing that their plight matters) and Inquisition (looking after them, and protecting them from the Mage-Templar War) would call into question your suggestion that she would look down on Solas for not being Dalish.

 

Furthermore, Merrill made no bargain with Audacity. Absolutely no one in the narrative even claims this.

 

Ultimately, the lies Solas tells would be the nail in the coffin of that relationship. His lies only stand up when they are taken at face value or simply accepted, ask too many questions about where he gets his information and it all comes tumbling down like a house of cards in a stiff breeze. He didn't create a good enough cover to withstand harsh scrutiny and the only reason he survives is because most of the characters consider him to be trustworthy. The ones that don't overlook him, including those who should know better. Either way, when people ask questions in Inquisition they aren't asking the right ones and they don't double check. It's how both Solas and Blackwall slide in under the radar. (Which is funny because there are enough holes in his story that both Leliana and Bull should be checking simply out of habit on the basis that they are spies and no one is trustworthy. Multiple characters do notice his inconsistencies, they just never press deeper.)

 

Solas wants to help the People. I think that would matter more than Solas hiding a few truths from people who would likely react negatively if they knew the truth. Her past actions would also suggest she wouldn't do what you claim; Merrill is the same person who condemns Danarius' offer, despite Fenris treating her horribly for almost a decade, and advocates giving Anders a second chance, despite similarly treating her poorly for years. I think you vastly underestimate her character.

 

Eventually, he'd have to come clean and when he did she'd accuse him of trying to destroy her all along. It's the same fear he has about Lavellan, actually. Merill is also too trusting when it comes to spirits and she doesn't differentiate. While it never hurts to listen, Solas isn't a fan of walking in blindly when it comes to dealngs in the Fade. He wants us to trust him and his advice, not spirits in general. Merril knowingly making a deal with a pride demon and actively advocating for deals with others just because they offer would get in his craw, especially when it came to someone he was protecting/cared about. Imagine the encounter with Sloth or one of the other demons in 2 with Lavellan and Solas both there. Merrill advocates for Lavellan to trust and make a deal with the demon, depending on what the demon wanted he'd flip out.

 

Merrill doesn't share the Andrastian view that Spirits are the First Children of the Maker, or that Demons are Spirits who turned their backs on the Maker in jealousy over humanity; that's why she has several arguments with Anders when he tries to impose his Andrastian views in conversation with her, since she refuses to acquiesce. Merrill tells Hawke he can gain intel from a spirit without making a bargain with it, but that you have to be careful because they can be very dangerous (i.e. the Profane Abomination and Torpor). Merrill also cautions that spirits can be dangerous, and chastises Anders over how he dealt with Justice.

 

They have just enough similarities to get along initially and then just enough differences to drive each other batty, which is why I actually brought up Anders. Anders and Aveline are both a great examples of what happens when anyone tries to tell Merrill what to do. She resents anyone disagreeing with her and she doesn't want to debate it. If anything, Solas would probably land himself in the same role as the Keeper, but without any of the Keeper's actual authority over her.

 

Anders pushes his Andrastian views on her, while Aveline calls her stupid for trying to discover the truth about the past. I'm not sure how either example proves what you're arguing. I'd react poorly, too, if someone tried to push their religious views on me, or if someone called me stupid for wanting to uncover knowledge about a past that was lost to centuries of slavery, when it's something this person has never had to deal with.


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I just started a male Lavellan playthrough (I have got to #ridethebull). I almost didn't ask Varric if he was with the Chantry just to avoid it, but I couldn't resist that chuckle and "You can't be serious" line from Solas, so I effing asked anyway. *sigh* I've got it bad, guys.


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"He meant to watch forever. He called himself sorrow." 

 

Sigh.

 

I, too, hope he can find a new name.



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What I want to know is why the heck so many of you seem to pull out the perfect gifs all the time.

Seriously, do y'all have them saved on your computers or do you look them up whenever you feel you need one?



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What I want to know is why the heck so many of you seem to pull out the perfect gifs all the time.

Seriously, do y'all have them saved on your computers or do you look them up whenever you feel you need one?

 

Googlefu is a powerful tool. I know there's a reaction gifs archive on imgur.com I use sometimes, too.


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I just started a male Lavellan playthrough (I have got to #ridethebull). I almost didn't ask Varric if he was with the Chantry just to avoid it, but I couldn't resist that chuckle and "You can't be serious" line from Solas, so I effing asked anyway. *sigh* I've got it bad, guys.

 

 

That line.  Damn, I said it once I'll say it a thousand times.  Damn.

 

I actually rolled a fem human first and I swear to Andraste I rerolled right after that encounter.  It was a rough first playthrough.  Full of giggling and then drowning in tears.



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HA! Pregnancy fanfiction!  Twas only time!  XD
 

 

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Googlefu is a powerful tool. I know there's a reaction gifs archive on imgur.com I use sometimes, too.

Googlefu.  

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I bet he can sing *sighs dreamily*

 

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Now I want a duet with him and Lavellan.  Damn you plot bunnies.


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