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[Kath]

(ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

 

So I am currently nerding out to a few things as I read through the dragon age wiki page.

 

Spoiler

First of all, this codex entry:

 

The Dalish use "harellan" to mean "traitor to one's kin," but the word does not appear in any elven text before the Towers Age. The ancient root-word is related to "harillen," or opposition, and "hellathen," or noble struggle. The Dalish call Fen'Harel a god of deception, but I posit a far more accurate translation would be "god of rebellion."

 

What he rebelled against is a story lost to time. In Dalish legends, Fen'Harel seals away the other deities out of love of trickery. If we understood more ancient elven, we might find earlier versions of the Dread Wolf's story give him a more nuanced motivation beyond spite.

 

— From A Treaty on the Pagan and Heretical Customs of the Elven, by Senallen Tavernier of the University of Orlais, commissioned by Empress Celene.

 

This raised my eyebrow. Why? Well, let's check out that info in the first couple sentences. The word "harellan" (in reference to The Dread Wolf) was never seen in any elven text before the Towers Age. 

 

Why is that?

 

What happened in the Towers Age to bring up such a word in reference to Fen'Harel? Who would name give him such a name, "traitor to one's kin". That's pretty personal, no? 

 

So I looked at the dragon age timeline (like I said, nerding out here) and took a look at the Towers Age. Guess what was the FIRST thing I saw about said age?

 

3:00 Towers: Flemeth is said to be born in the Fereldan village of Highever.

 

Oh.

OH!

OOOOOH!

 

​The first appearance of Flemeth in the world, you know, the person who houses the spirit of Mythal? Yeah. That person. 

 

So. What we know: 

 

• Flemeth was born around the beginning of the Towers Age
• Sometime within her (mortal) life she became one with the spirit of Mythal
• It wasn't until the Towers age that any record of the word "harellan" in reference to anyone existed

 

My thought: Flemythal was that one to bring that word back into the modern world to describe Fen'Harel - perhaps in reaction to how he slighted her??? 

 

Oh and an extra bit of fun: one of Solas' tarot cards is The Tower. 

 

Not saying this is all necessarily connected... but you can't make this **** up. 

[vertigomez]

(ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧
 
So I am currently nerding out to a few things as I read through the dragon age wiki page.
 

Spoiler

First of all, this codex entry:
 

The Dalish use "harellan" to mean "traitor to one's kin," but the word does not appear in any elven text before the Towers Age. The ancient root-word is related to "harillen," or opposition, and "hellathen," or noble struggle. The Dalish call Fen'Harel a god of deception, but I posit a far more accurate translation would be "god of rebellion."

 

What he rebelled against is a story lost to time. In Dalish legends, Fen'Harel seals away the other deities out of love of trickery. If we understood more ancient elven, we might find earlier versions of the Dread Wolf's story give him a more nuanced motivation beyond spite.

 

— From A Treaty on the Pagan and Heretical Customs of the Elven, by Senallen Tavernier of the University of Orlais, commissioned by Empress Celene.

 

This raised my eyebrow. Why? Well, let's check out that info in the first couple sentences. The word "harellan" (in reference to The Dread Wolf) was never seen in any elven text before the Towers Age. 
 
Why is that?
 
What happened in the Towers Age to bring up such a word in reference to Fen'Harel? Who would name give him such a name, "traitor to one's kin". That's pretty personal, no? 
 
So I looked at the dragon age timeline (like I said, nerding out here) and took a look at the Towers Age. Guess what was the FIRST thing I saw about said age?
 

3:00 Towers: Flemeth is said to be born in the Fereldan village of Highever.

 

Oh.
OH!
OOOOOH!
 
​The first appearance of Flemeth in the world, you know, the person who houses the spirit of Mythal? Yeah. That person. 
 
So. What we know: 
 

• Flemeth was born around the beginning of the Towers Age
• Sometime within her (mortal) life she became one with the spirit of Mythal
• It wasn't until the Towers age that any record of the word "harellan" in reference to anyone existed

 
My thought: Flemythal was that one to bring that word back into the modern world to describe Fen'Harel - perhaps in reaction to how he slighted her??? 
 
Oh and an extra bit of fun: one of Solas' tarot cards is The Tower. 
 
Not saying this is all necessarily connected... but you can't make this **** up. 

[PTERODACTYL SCREEEEEECH]



I want AAAAALLLL the lore and hints and foreshadowing ALL OF IT ALL OF IT ALL OF IT

[Brass_Buckles]

Hm.  I was thinking, while sadly viewing the X over Solas's card in my game, about how future DLC, or future games, might address him.

 

Surely the developers realize that a lot of us used him extensively in the campaign, and we're going to want him back in the party.  But, I don't think they're going to cave this time and I don't think anything good is going to happen between Lavellan and Solas anymore.  Basically, it's all due to story reasons...

 

My reasoning is, now that we've seen the reveal, there's really not any going back.  The only possible way Solas might return to the party is if something big enough were going on that he needed the Inquisition to help him, despite his misgivings about putting others in danger.  And they are not going to trust him, not after they found out the village he said he comes from doesn't even exist.

 

We might run across Solas again, but it's unclear in what context.  As others have mentioned, Flemeth may have taken over--though I believe Solas to still be in charge of himself.  Even so... he's probably going to have changed, just as Anders changed when Justice merged with him.  Only if he gives up the soul of Mythal to someone else can he return to his previous self.

 

I still WANT there to be more closure/maybe a happy ending for Solas and Lavellan.  And I still WANT Solas back into my party (I'm hoping someone mods that in, it is a mod I would surely download even if Solas never spoke another word of banter or regular dialogue).  I'm just not seeing how the devs could give us this, without scrapping whatever story they have planned.  If he rejoins, I think it will be only temporarily.  And even then that does not take into account certain players who would have made such enemies with him that he'd never come back at all--so there's less reason to code him back into the party.

 

It makes me so sad to feel that way... cheer me up please...

[slmisfit]

what happens if a non elf tries to romance Solas? I kind of what him to go "Ewwww! get away! Cooties cooties!"

in fact this sums it up

I don't think you even get a flirt option with Solas if you're not a female elf. It didn't show up with my human or qunari Inquisitors, anyway. I have no idea if male Lavellan's can flirt with him or not, though. I have yet to make a male Lavellan. lol

[RynJ]

 

*snip*

 

I'm of a mind that if we get any DLC that takes place after the game, it'll be just one and will involve Solas in some way. He probably wouldn't be in the party, though. I don't think we'll ever have Solas as a companion again after the ending, not in the next game either.

 

I think all other single-player DLC for DAI will take place before the end of the game so we'll have Solas with us still and it won't be an issue. They know that some people won't want to play the game with a party member out of the picture.

[Kath]

Also some more disjointed tidbits I've put together:

 

Spoiler

So Sundermount yeah? As most have you have probably figured out by now, Flemeth was released from an amulet at the altar of Mythal in DAII. (wow such foreshadowing.) BUT HERE IS THE INTERESTING STUFF:

 

• Sundermount - famous for many things, but most notable to me: First, having an altar to Mythal. Second, housing an ancient demon of pride. 
• More interesting, in Dragon Age Redemption (the web series) Tal-Vashoth Saarebas take an elven girl to be sacrificed at an altar on Sundermount (the altar of Mythal???) using her blood along with the Mask of Fen'Harel in a ritual. In said ritual the saarebas were trying to open a portal to the fade and talked to Fen'Harel through the portal as if he could hear them. The ritual failed, (Tallis destroyed the Mask of Fen'Harel before they could finish) but why Sundermount? Was it Mythal's altar + Mask of Fen'Harel that was the right combination? Why are those two always intertwined? 

I just.

 

Ｏ(≧∇≦)Ｏ

[SamanthaJ]

 

This is the face he made when Solas became his bro.

 

Edit: And I think there are ways that Solas could return. Maybe it'll turn out that he has no choice because of something to do with the anchor. Though I'm not betting on it. Sigh. I just want whatever happens to happen with the Inquisitor. 

[RynJ]

How amazing would it be if Abelas was a companion in the next game? 

[SamanthaJ]

How amazing would it be if Abelas was a companion in the next game? 

Among other things amirite?

 

Though I'm not holding my breath considering what happens if you don't choose to ally with him. I saw the thing on Youtube. Then again, Anders. Leliana. etc.

[Brass_Buckles]

I'm of a mind that if we get any DLC that takes place after the game, it'll be just one and will involve Solas in some way. He probably wouldn't be in the party, though. I don't think we'll ever have Solas as a companion again after the ending, not in the next game either.

 

I think all other single-player DLC for DAI will take place before the end of the game so we'll have Solas with us still and it won't be an issue. They know that some people won't want to play the game with a party member out of the picture.

 

It's just not the same without him, though.  His silky-smooth voice as he talks to the others, or tells me about the area... or worries that we'll get lost...

 

I need to go write some fanfic.

 

I just killed my Lavellan clan and had to reload like six hours' worth of gameplay afterward... but now I really wish I hadn't deleted my saves, 'cause I think the accidental death makes a better story.  Lavellan is all alone.  The Inquisition members have all already discussed plans to move on to other things.  Her clan is dead.  Solas left her without so much as a word of goodbye.  She has only two advisors left.  She's made friends, but she no longer has anywhere to go home to except Skyhold, and yet no reason to stay there.

 

Poor Uth'Shiral... I HAD to spare her clan for my playthrough; even Cole was talking about leaving soon, and I hated the idea of her being all alone.  But I may write fanfic where she didn't succeed, and they were slaughtered.  She's a wandering spirit, and she never did really enjoy settling in at Skyhold in the first place--with the exception that she suddenly had a nice library and a safe place to keep a nice lute.  (Evidently Inquisitors are musicians.  We have a lute.)

[Cheerios789]

@Samanthaj

 

You are not wrong. 

 

 

I don't think you even get a flirt option with Solas if you're not a female elf. It didn't show up with my human or qunari Inquisitors, anyway. I have no idea if male Lavellan's can flirt with him or not, though. I have yet to make a male Lavellan. lol

 

Hahaha, no I believe that only female Lavellans can make passes at Solas.  Which is weird.  You can flirt all day long with the rest of the npcs even if they are not romanceable by you (or anyone. I'm looking at you Harding.)  So, did Solas literally put a spell on Lavellan to make him irresistable?  That is my current crack theory.  I mean he knows spells.  As we have seen. 

 

Apparently only lady elves look at that dirty hobo apostate and think "Yeah, I'd get with that."

 

I may be drunk.  I'll stop now.

[TurtleTape]

How amazing would it be if Abelas was a companion in the next game? 

 

You people are a horrible influence on me; I never gave Abelas a second thought until you people started talking about him earlier.

 

I'ma just go ahead and blame Orlando Bloom for my love of elves. And you guys for encouraging it. And Bioware for giving me the option to kiss them.

[Eivuwan]

Who do you think

 

Spoiler

betrayed Solas? If you pick the I trust my friends option before the last romance scene, he implied that he was betrayed by a woman who he remembers so well that he can carve her face. I'm guessing it's one of the elven gods? I hope it wasn't a past lover or something.

[Cheerios789]

You people are a horrible influence on me; I never gave Abelas a second thought until you people started talking about him earlier.

 

I'ma just go ahead and blame Orlando Bloom for my love of elves. And you guys for encouraging it. And Bioware for giving me the option to kiss them.

 

I don't even really like most elves in movies or games.  They are so effeminate.  (With Mr. Bloom being the exception.  I'm not dead.)

 

Bioware has done an excellent job at making slender elf men not appear delicate and prissy.

[SamanthaJ]

I think they realized during development that Solas was very irresistible. Rather than allow those people playing as an Inquisitor who is neither female nor elf to get their hopes up they decided to disallow flirt options with him outside of his preference. 

[Cheerios789]

Who do you think

 

Spoiler

betrayed Solas? If you pick the I trust my friends option before the last romance scene, he implied that he was betrayed by a woman who he remembers so well that he can carve her face. I'm guessing it's one of the elven gods? I hope it wasn't a past lover or something.

 

 

[spoiler]  I think he was referencing Mythal's betrayal.  However, I guess the question is what was his role in that.  Was he simply present?  Was he on the opposing side?  We have no idea.

[Cat Fancy]

As a male qunari, I was never able to flirt with Blackwall, either. So Solas isn't the only companion who your Inquisitor can only flirt with if they can bone. But he is the best one.

[Eivuwan]

Spoiler

  I think he was referencing Mythal's betrayal.  However, I guess the question is what was his role in that.  Was he simply present?  Was he on the opposing side?  We have no idea.

 

You forgot [ / spoiler ]

 

Spoiler

But he and Mythal are friends. The way he was talking about the woman made it seem as though she was the one who betrayed him.

 

Edit: wait, why isn't the spoiler tag working?

 

Edit: Oh, nevermind. It's because I quoted you.

[TurtleTape]

I don't even really like most elves in movies or games.  They are so effeminate.  (With Mr. Bloom being the exception.  I'm not dead.)

 

Bioware has done an excellent job at making slender elf men not appear delicate and prissy.

 

Maybe I just like twinks >.> I remember reading the Dragonlance series and absolutely loving many of the elves there. *sigh* ahhhh elves.

[Eivuwan]

Testing

 

Spoiler

Is this working?

[DragonFr0st]

(ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

 

So I am currently nerding out to a few things as I read through the dragon age wiki page.

 

Spoiler

First of all, this codex entry:

 

The Dalish use "harellan" to mean "traitor to one's kin," but the word does not appear in any elven text before the Towers Age. The ancient root-word is related to "harillen," or opposition, and "hellathen," or noble struggle. The Dalish call Fen'Harel a god of deception, but I posit a far more accurate translation would be "god of rebellion."

 

What he rebelled against is a story lost to time. In Dalish legends, Fen'Harel seals away the other deities out of love of trickery. If we understood more ancient elven, we might find earlier versions of the Dread Wolf's story give him a more nuanced motivation beyond spite.

 

— From A Treaty on the Pagan and Heretical Customs of the Elven, by Senallen Tavernier of the University of Orlais, commissioned by Empress Celene.

 

This raised my eyebrow. Why? Well, let's check out that info in the first couple sentences. The word "harellan" (in reference to The Dread Wolf) was never seen in any elven text before the Towers Age. 

 

Why is that?

 

What happened in the Towers Age to bring up such a word in reference to Fen'Harel? Who would name give him such a name, "traitor to one's kin". That's pretty personal, no? 

 

So I looked at the dragon age timeline (like I said, nerding out here) and took a look at the Towers Age. Guess what was the FIRST thing I saw about said age?

 

3:00 Towers: Flemeth is said to be born in the Fereldan village of Highever.

 

Oh.

OH!

OOOOOH!

 

​The first appearance of Flemeth in the world, you know, the person who houses the spirit of Mythal? Yeah. That person. 

 

So. What we know: 

 

• Flemeth was born around the beginning of the Towers Age
• Sometime within her (mortal) life she became one with the spirit of Mythal
• It wasn't until the Towers age that any record of the word "harellan" in reference to anyone existed

 

My thought: Flemythal was that one to bring that word back into the modern world to describe Fen'Harel - perhaps in reaction to how he slighted her??? 

 

Oh and an extra bit of fun: one of Solas' tarot cards is The Tower. 

 

Not saying this is all necessarily connected... but you can't make this **** up. 

 

Been mostly away playing my new Lavellan playthrough. I'm a sucker for Solas, what can I say?

 

Anyway,

Spoiler

I have noticed some of those connections as well. Though, I failed to note the use of 'harellan'. I don't think, if she brought in the world. Flemythal used it in reference for Fen'harel's betrayal to her. But, the betrayal of all the gods by locking them away?

 

I mean, I'm sure that would be the last thing she would expect in her resurrection?

[Eivuwan]

Spoiler

Maybe Solas will paint Lavellan when he's feeling lonely on his journeys and you chanced upon one of them one your way to finding him.

[coldwetn0se]

I am sorely behind, and I have decided I will never catch up. So a couple of random thoughts:

1) Regarding DLC: Anything can actually happen, but the one thing that sticks in my mind (and I truly hope BW considers this when inking out a story DLC), is that our PC's do NOT know who he is, or why he left. Even as the player, we don't know these answers (exactly) at this time. We are shown a highly intriguing scene, but still lack context, or what is to follow. In the mean time, our PC's are completely in the dark. Again, my hope, is that BW considers this info, when/if they produce DLC that includes these story elements.

As for what that might mean for our PC's (whether romanced or friends).......*shrug*. All I know, is that their are a LOT of possibilities. Hopefully, it will be very satisfying.

2) Regarding Sumalee's voice: I did make up a background story for my Ulee Lavellan (seen in avatar), that I posted on this thread, some months back. And she was originally a City Elf. Her parents and her were taken in by Clan Lavellan. I have to say, that I don't regret for a moment, choosing Sumalee's voice for Ulee! She fit perfectly. **NOTE** When Ulee bugged out with the VA swapping bug, I put her on hold, and am now playing my dalish mage, Freya. She uses Alix' voice, and it is very fitting as well.

Now! I have questions, for anyone who would be willing to offer some insight. Where are all these awesome armors, you have all been getting your hands on??!??! LOL! Seriously, I end up making most of my armors (which I am good with, since I enjoy crafting), but the styles have been very limited, and since I am a "stat" hound, most don't turn out very attractive. I would especially love to know, where to find the hood! Anyone able to point me in the right direction? I have kept poor Solas in the Warden Battlemage outfit for ages, simply because it looks better than anything else I have found or crafted. Dorian and Freya (my PC) I let run around in the garish stuff cuz....meh! She's a loony dalish, and he is a brash Tevinter.

Btw, just beat my first dragon and got the deft hand perk, so NO MORE DOORS WILL DENY ME!!



(Thanks in advance for any assistance. )

[HurricaneGinger]

Thought I'd show off my Lavellan to y'all!

 

BEHOLD TERRWYN 

 

Spoiler

[Starlilica]

I really want to romance Cullen, Iron Bull, or Blackwall. Like, actually pretty eager to. I hear good things.

 

But I just can't, because Solas. I don't know what to do guys, halp. 

 

I suppose I could roll a human, Qunari or dwarf but I love elves too much. Dunno, always have thanks Tolkien & Elder Scrolls. I'm seriously having an issue.