Yeah, I keep going back to the cards and thinking that they MUST mean something... but then I remember that The Hierophant is romance only, how can it make that much of a difference?
The image on The Hierophant does make me feel warm and fuzzy and at ease though...
Well it made a difference with Morrigan, why wouldn't it make a difference now? For those where Morrigan had Kieran, the story is a bit different. My Morrigan didn't have Kieran, so I had a different playout.
I think they very much would consider how that would change Solas/or at least give you the option to influence his decisions/or at least determine if he lives or dies(hopefully not going to go there).
I would say, if you want any hope of an actual relationship continuing, do not drink from the Well.
Here's why:
If you drink from the Well, you become a slave to Mythal's will. We know what happened with that, yes? So if you drank from the Well, you have no choice but to do what Mythal tells you. You just lost your ability to consent to anything relationship-wise.
Considering how he reacts in the Fade scene, I think Solas would be highly uncomfortable with that idea, as well as hating having someone as his slave. Remember his "Especially not here" line? Yeah, because it's a bad idea to send someone to sleep or invade their dreams and then start sexing them up or smooching on them, because you'd act differently in a dream (presumably) than you would in reality--because you can't consent. (Note, if they consented to such beforehand, that's a little different. But you'd have to actually, you know, PLAN to meet in the Fade for sexytimes/smooches...)
If Lavellan has to do whatever he wants, that also compromises her ability to consent. I think Solas would be aware of this, and he would not use it... the relationship would be truly over, because what kind of relationship is it when you are completely incapable of being your own person in the relationship, or doing anything other than what the other person wants? We're not talking kinky dominant/submissive relationships here, we're talking literal incapacity to do anything other than what Solas wants you to do. I like to think Solas would not take advantage, but the only way to not take advantage would simply be to not try to pick back up any sort of relationship. Otherwise, how can you be sure? Lavellan might not even know that she was responding to a compulsion. And, let's face it, a relationship in which you can't do anything your partner wouldn't approve of, might be kind of boring over time. I think it would make Solas sad... Lavellan wouldn't be the person he had loved, she'd be whatever he wanted her to be. No more being surprised or impressed by her.
Edited to add: And that's even just if you ever meet again. Which you may not, because Solas does not want to get the Inquisitor tangled up in his personal quest. His will would, in that case, be: STAY AWAY.
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You have good points and it is possible that if you drank from the well then the relationship is over. Allthough I think that Lavellan would know when Solas would order her to do something. So she could be like she was before except that if Solas wanted her to do something she would have to do it. Of course this would be very bad and not very good relationship. Although I believe that Solas would not use his power like that but of course he would always have that power. So I think it is still possible for them to have a relationship even if Lavellan drank from the well. I guess you'll just have to decide whether you want that kind of a relationship or not.
I think there is also the possibility that Solas would free Lavellan if that would be possible. Although I don't think that is possible. It could also be possible that the bounding is different now that he has accuired Mythal's power. It could also be possible that he could no longer control Mythal's slaves or what ever they are called. Anyway I'm going save a save file before the drinking so that I can choose diffently if the drinking was a bad idea.
On that note, maybe that's part of the reason why Solas seemingly kills and absorbs Asha'bellanar into his essence - perhaps it frees Lavellan from servitude if she or he drank from the well? Allowing him to liberate someone he loves and cares about, or a good friend who he trusts as a confidant. Just a thought.
Good point, but what if Solas and the inquisitor are not on good terms?
Unless there's someway to separate them, the best we can probably hope for out of an encounter between Solas and Lavellan is that she gets her answers. I very much doubt there will be anything more to the relationship, given Solas's current state. They'd have to devote a lot of story, probably too much for a DLC, to finding out and correcting whatever it is he's done.
If that ends up being the case I'd be sorely disappointed. It'd be Thane in ME3 all over again.
Well it made a difference with Morrigan, why wouldn't it make a difference now? For those who romanced Morrigan and had her have Kieran, the story is a bit different. My Morrigan didn't have Kieran, so I had a different playout.
I think they very much would consider how that would change Solas/or at least give you the option to influence his decisions/or at least determine if he lives or dies(hopefully not going to go there).
I did my second playthrough without the OGB and there is a pretty big difference in the content between regular Morrigan and OGB Morrigan. Not just that one custcene ("just" being a bit of an understatement; the scene is almost 10 minutes long and longer than Solas' third romance scene), but a bunch of dialogue changes and a few smaller scenes here and there. It doesn't have a huge affect on the end result of anything, but it definitely adds a lot to Morrigan's character. I'd love to see a similar treatment of Solas/Lavellan.
I would say, if you want any hope of an actual relationship continuing, do not drink from the Well.
Here's why:
If you drink from the Well, you become a slave to Mythal's will. We know what happened with that, yes? So if you drank from the Well, you have no choice but to do what Mythal tells you. You just lost your ability to consent to anything relationship-wise.
Considering how he reacts in the Fade scene, I think Solas would be highly uncomfortable with that idea, as well as hating having someone as his slave. Remember his "Especially not here" line? Yeah, because it's a bad idea to send someone to sleep or invade their dreams and then start sexing them up or smooching on them, because you'd act differently in a dream (presumably) than you would in reality--because you can't consent. (Note, if they consented to such beforehand, that's a little different. But you'd have to actually, you know, PLAN to meet in the Fade for sexytimes/smooches...)
If Lavellan has to do whatever he wants, that also compromises her ability to consent. I think Solas would be aware of this, and he would not use it... the relationship would be truly over, because what kind of relationship is it when you are completely incapable of being your own person in the relationship, or doing anything other than what the other person wants? We're not talking kinky dominant/submissive relationships here, we're talking literal incapacity to do anything other than what Solas wants you to do. I like to think Solas would not take advantage, but the only way to not take advantage would simply be to not try to pick back up any sort of relationship. Otherwise, how can you be sure? Lavellan might not even know that she was responding to a compulsion. And, let's face it, a relationship in which you can't do anything your partner wouldn't approve of, might be kind of boring over time. I think it would make Solas sad... Lavellan wouldn't be the person he had loved, she'd be whatever he wanted her to be. No more being surprised or impressed by her.
Edited to add: And that's even just if you ever meet again. Which you may not, because Solas does not want to get the Inquisitor tangled up in his personal quest. His will would, in that case, be: STAY AWAY.
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I agree with you completely and I think we get hints of Solas having this outlook in the game too. In the scene on the balcony Solas has begun to ask himself if you perhaps only like him because you now have his power. He asks what you were like before and if the anchor has change your mind, your morals or your spirit. If you watch the cutscene you will see that he looks away and pause briefly before saying "spirit", my guess is that what he wanted to say was "feelings" but that would appear to be a weird question from the Inquisitors point of view that would lead to questions he couldn't answer without revealing himself.
Also, while there aren't situations as extreme as mind control in real life, there are still relationships in which one person can have enormous power over another should they choose to abuse it. For example, if a spouse is really sick, if a spouse has no income because they are taking care of the children, etc. I think oftentimes people choose to go into relationships with an enormous power difference because they trust their partner to not abuse it. Maybe we can get a scene of an angry Lavellan daring Solas to abuse his power over her. I like the drinking from the well idea mainly because of the drama and difficult decisions that might ensue. It might be more meaningful for Solas to have the ability to abuse his power and then decide not to, which further deepens their relationship.
Good point, but what if Solas and the inquisitor are not on good terms?
Solas' reasons might not include it, in that case. It could be similar to Morrigan wanting to protect someone she sees as a sister, or someone she is truly in love with, when she presents the 'Dark Ritual' to the Warden; she still presents the offer to someone she is not on good terms with, but her reasons are not the same otherwise.
Lavellan doesn't know anything about the Solas' identity when she decided to drink from the well. Also, I'm sure Solas has the ability to release her from the slave binding should he choose to. He was mad about it at first, but if you keep talking, he stops being mad depending on dialogue options. I think it's more interesting for me to see what Solas plans to do with Lavellan if she drank from the well. Also Lavellan is very strong-willed and now has some of the power of the Dread Wolf (the mark). I think that complicates matter and it's uncertain how much control he really has over her.
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I also want to know what happens if you drank from the well and I'm hoping that their relationship doesn't end if you drank from it. I do hope that there is some interesting dialogue if you happened to drink from it. Because the whole situation is so intriguing. I just hope there is a DLC where I can meet him again. I can't wait!
I agree with you completely and I think we get hints of Solas having this outlook in the game too. In the scene on the balcony Solas has begun to ask himself if you perhaps only like him because you now have his power. He asks what you were like before and if the anchor has change your mind, your morals or your spirit. If you watch the cutscene you will see that he looks away and pause briefly before saying "spirit", my guess is that what he wanted to say was "feelings" but that would appear to be a weird question from the Inquisitors point of view that would lead to questions he couldn't answer without revealing himself.
I didn't get that at all. It seemed like he just wanted to know if you are who you are because of the mark or you would still be the same without. It didn't seem like he was questioning your feelings for him.
Also, I just think it's mean for the bioware writers to punish you for a decision that you had no way to know the consequences of due to a dialogue bug and your ignorance of
I don't think the well will have much to do with Solas's relationship beyond a line or two, honestly. Its one of those things that sounds like it could be cool, but I don't think they would put that sort of plot flag into a DLC. There's just too many if/thens already at work with Solas possibly being a romance option to then add a second hook of 'if romanced/if drank from well'.
I don't think the well will have much to do with Solas's relationship beyond a line or two, honestly. Its one of those things that sounds like it could be cool, but I don't think they would put that sort of plot flag into a DLC. There's just too many if/thens already at work with Solas possibly being a romance option to then add a second hook of 'if romanced/if drank from well'.
I just hope that whatever they choose, it won't leave me with the feeling that I had at the end of mass effect 3.
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Well, I demanded that she release me. And she did. I figured it never hurts to ask, lol.
Edit: Of course there could be a loophole, but that works both ways.
What? damn so simple. I should have done that. I just thought at the time that there was no way she would since I knew all the consequences when I drank.
If some of you have played Final Fantasy 13, then you probably know what I'm talking about when I'm saying that crystallised Lavellan x Solas would be very, very beautiful as well. Maybe turn them into lyrium, or something. It would look pretty. A little like this, perhaps:
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The part where I demand her to release me she only does temporarily. The next set of options, I asked if I was her slave now and she responded with (and I'm paraphrasing) "Is that what you think you are? My servant? I don't need you, not yet"
Solas' reasons might not include it, in that case. It could be similar to Morrigan wanting to protect someone she sees as a sister, or someone she is truly in love with, when she presents the 'Dark Ritual' to the Warden; she still presents the offer to someone she is not on good terms with, but her reasons are not the same otherwise.
Damn it, now I have to replay Origins without befriending Morrigan. She is so incredibly sweet as a friend--but now I have to see this "otherwise".
About Inquisitor drinking from the Well and Solas possibly absorbing Mythal in the post-credits scene:
I sometimes see people enjoying the idea that Lavellan will now be bound to Solas' will or be in some kind of servitude/slavery to him.
I'm not saying you can't enjoy an idea of course and there's certainly no harm in doing so. I'd just like to highlight though that this situation is the complete opposite of anything Solas would want. He places such a strong value on freedom and dislikes all kinds of slavery/servitude - he hates the Qun since it does not allow freethought, he hates the binding of spirits, he hates the slavery of elves in Tevinter, he hates that the Inquisitor drinks from the Well as it means they're now Mythal's creature, etc. The situation is not one that he would like or enjoy and I can see it causing him a lot of pain.
That will teach him not to tell you about the damn Well ! ;P
Cant Solas do something right that doesnt comeback to make him look like the Big Evil once in a while? /sigh
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Solas is so rightious, I could see him trying to comply the Inquisitor to help him with his plan (because anchor). He would explain his perspective in details in hope the Inquisitor would help. Somehow he could be lead down a gentler path.
But if the Inquisitor doesnt at least want to see his side of things and just blows him off? He would totally use the geas. And blame the Inquisitor for forcing his hand.
Solas is pretty much all about freedom until the big picture comes into play.
I dont think he fully realizes Quizzy can change the world for good because baby steps (at least baby steps from a god perspective). The romance lets you see that he does realize it a bit (he marvels at her wisdom) and the romanced card shows it might not be all lost.
The part where I demand her to release me she only does temporarily. The next set of options, I asked if I was her slave now and she responded with (and I'm paraphrasing) "Is that what you think you are? My servant? I don't need you, not yet"
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