Likewise I could see some kind of accident happening when he tried to free the gods, which caused the Veil to be destroyed.
lol. That just makes me think of that one conversation with Varric. You think the Inquisitor has divine bad luck? Everything Solas has ever tried to do has resulted in civilizations being toppled and the world nearly ending. Maybe the universe just hates the guy. He and Hawke should get together for a drink some time.
Honestly, I hope Solas actually has a decent plan this time. He screwed up twice already with horrible effects. 
I mean it wouldn't make sense for him to do either. He contradicts himself a lot. He seems to want to restore the past, but also seems to believe that the past was awful.
Emotions aren't always rational, and Solas is homesick and, I would argue, depressed. He feels bad that he caused what he did, and he feels bad that he locked away people who were once his friends and allies. Even if he dies setting them free, that's taking a step in the right direction, to him. Maybe he thinks they'll see how bad the world is, and they'll work together to fix it. Or maybe he's just that desperate to have one tiny fragment of something familiar to cling to. An anchor, as it were.
You might like to think that something like falling in love would be enough, but consider that the places he knew are ruined or gone entirely, the people he knew are all long dead or disappeared or sealed away by his own doing, and everyone who knows anything about him assumes he's evil. This is not his world. No matter how much he loves Lavellan, he's desperate for the familiar.
I remember someone a few pages back said that maybe the best ending would be to enter uthenera with Solas. They might be right. He could have peace that way. And yet, I'm with Varric on this one--you "win" by getting up every morning. And with my Inquisitor--you have to keep trying. Solas needs to be able to accept the present world and make a home for himself there, not hide away where he can't do any good, or try to turn the present into the past and get many people killed in the process.
I didn't interpret my Hawke as a villain. How'd you end up with that?
And I just let Stroud die. No one cares about Stroud. He wouldn't even finish his sentences during my playthrough. King of awkward silences.
I would call Hawke a bit between villain and hero. Hawke was a mass murder no matter how you played them. Sure a lot of them were bandits and such, but Hawke wasn't a good kind of hero. Like one of the dark heroes.
This should be one of my Lavellan's dialogue option when she sees Solas:
"You messed up twice. Let me call the shots."
Wow I missed that!!
Hehe, so eager to share you didn't read. XD
I believe (read this on another thread) it comes up if you do winter palace before you do the grey warden quest, and Alistair was left as a warden in DA:O.
Sadly, I don't have a single playthrough where that happened. Guess I'll have to make on up on the keep.
When I romance Iron Bull or Cullen in my third playthrough I'll be sure to check that out.
I would love to say that I would go against a crazy plan that would bring about the ruin of the world with Solas ... but I like shiny red buttons. So, I would do it and pretend I wasn't just manipulated into pulling the trigger on extinction-level event. Of course that wouldn't be a canon PT, but it would definitely be my first.
I don't trust Solas. I don't necessarily believe Solas. I'm not even sure he is a good person and not the craftiest Pride demon of all time. But dammit I'd lay the world to waste if it meant more dialogue from him. Also to see his plan.
Emotions aren't always rational, and Solas is homesick and, I would argue, depressed. He feels bad that he caused what he did, and he feels bad that he locked away people who were once his friends and allies. Even if he dies setting them free, that's taking a step in the right direction, to him. Maybe he thinks they'll see how bad the world is, and they'll work together to fix it. Or maybe he's just that desperate to have one tiny fragment of something familiar to cling to. An anchor, as it were.
You might like to think that something like falling in love would be enough, but consider that the places he knew are ruined or gone entirely, the people he knew are all long dead or disappeared or sealed away by his own doing, and everyone who knows anything about him assumes he's evil. This is not his world. No matter how much he loves Lavellan, he's desperate for the familiar.
I remember someone a few pages back said that maybe the best ending would be to enter uthenera with Solas. They might be right. He could have peace that way. And yet, I'm with Varric on this one--you "win" by getting up every morning. And with my Inquisitor--you have to keep trying. Solas needs to be able to accept the present world and make a home for himself there, not hide away where he can't do any good, or try to turn the present into the past and get many people killed in the process.
True, but I wish he actually has an intelligent plan because a completely impulsive Solas would make me a bit less attracted to him. Part of his appeal to me as a character is all the times he spoke with wisdom. I hope his plan has more subtlety and nuance (you know all the things he liked about Lavellan) and not just I'm going to run with my emotions even though I did that before as a hot blooded youth and messed up big time.
I didn't interpret my Hawke as a villain. How'd you end up with that?
And I just let Stroud die. No one cares about Stroud. He wouldn't even finish his sentences during my playthrough. King of awkward silences.
My Hawke was an all-but-Resolutionist blood mage who had a pretty good inkling that Anders was up to no good and did nothing to stop him. She sided with the mages at every turn even if they were horrible, snubbed Elthina's attempts at peace, and actively provoked Meredith. It was a fascinating RP experience, watching a PC slide into well-intentioned extremist territory, but by Act 3 of DA2, she was pretty far gone.
Also, I had a romanced Warden Alistair as my buddy at Adamant. No way I was going to let him die 
I would love to say that I would go against a crazy plan that would bring about the ruin of the world with Solas ... but I like shiny red buttons. So, I would do it and pretend I wasn't just manipulated into pulling the trigger on extinction-level event. Of course that wouldn't be a canon PT, but it would definitely be my first.
I don't trust Solas. I don't necessarily believe Solas. I'm not even sure he is a good person and not the craftiest Pride demon of all time. But dammit I'd lay the world to waste if it meant more dialogue from him. Also to see his plan.
I think his intentions are good, but his methods may be terribly bad.
I would argue he's a mostly good, if arrogant, person. Go around doing good deeds with Solas in your party and watch him give you approval right and left for it.
But he's depressed, lonely, and desperate. I don't think he's really in a state to be making the best decisions.
Edited to add: If he's a pride demon, then I want to know why he's tossing me approval for doing good deeds all the time.
I think he might be similar to a spirit/demon in some ways. As others have suggested, he may somehow be fused with a powerful spirit of wisdom, or something more powerful than a standard spirit that also embodies wisdom. As we know from Solas himself, wisdom corrupts into pride.
If he's a spirit, too, or something like it... maybe he knows he was corrupted and like Cole wants to change back? It would make sense in the context of his conversation with the Inquisitor and Varric during Cole's personal quest. Changing the nature of a thing is wishful thinking. Until it isn't.
I remember someone a few pages back said that maybe the best ending would be to enter uthenera with Solas. They might be right. He could have peace that way. And yet, I'm with Varric on this one--you "win" by getting up every morning. And with my Inquisitor--you have to keep trying. Solas needs to be able to accept the present world and make a home for himself there, not hide away where he can't do any good, or try to turn the present into the past and get many people killed in the process.
This. I don't blame him for missing his own time. I feel awful for him. It's like culture shock but even more extreme.
But at the same time, I want him to finally be able to let go and be able to forgive himself. I don't think it's going to be easy. I would love a confrontation between Solas and the Inquisitor where the Inquisitor is able to talk him down, so to speak. Show him that you can keep getting up in the morning, keep living, even when your whole world has been taken from you.
About Shartan and Andraste...
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About Shartan and Andraste...
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That's a very interesting catch. D:
This should be one of my Lavellan's dialogue option when she sees Solas:
"You messed up twice. Let me call the shots."
Is funny how he asks yo uwhat are you going to do with the power of the well and she says she will use it to make the world better.. then he says
My poor vhenan.. This happened to him!
Emotions aren't always rational, and Solas is homesick and, I would argue, depressed. He feels bad that he caused what he did, and he feels bad that he locked away people who were once his friends and allies. Even if he dies setting them free, that's taking a step in the right direction, to him. Maybe he thinks they'll see how bad the world is, and they'll work together to fix it. Or maybe he's just that desperate to have one tiny fragment of something familiar to cling to. An anchor, as it were.
You might like to think that something like falling in love would be enough, but consider that the places he knew are ruined or gone entirely, the people he knew are all long dead or disappeared or sealed away by his own doing, and everyone who knows anything about him assumes he's evil. This is not his world. No matter how much he loves Lavellan, he's desperate for the familiar.
I remember someone a few pages back said that maybe the best ending would be to enter uthenera with Solas. They might be right. He could have peace that way. And yet, I'm with Varric on this one--you "win" by getting up every morning. And with my Inquisitor--you have to keep trying. Solas needs to be able to accept the present world and make a home for himself there, not hide away where he can't do any good, or try to turn the present into the past and get many people killed in the process.
I agree. Solas is severely depressed and honestly that makes his romance arc make so much sense. He pushes her away and yet holds on tightly, because he needs something real. It's tragic and unfair and sad. So very sad. And, yes, he does need to accept the world and that's what he is struggling with when Cole makes that comment about "they could all be real".
I'm sad now.
I feel like Solas needs a good scolding to take him down from his arrogance as well as compassion so that he can stop feeling guilty for past mistakes.
Is funny how he asks yo uwhat are you going to do with the power of the well and she says she will use it to make the world better.. then he says
My poor vhenan.. This happened to him!
Yea I watched this earlier today with new understanding. Does anyone know what he says if you say That doesn't matter?
I found this? Maybe this person knows what they did, if looking like Solas is your goal?
That's hilarious. I'm going for full Solas disapproval with this playthrough, though. Can't wait until I can punch him.
Addendum: fortunately, his cranium doesn't look so freakishly distorted in game. Yay! Still nowhere near right, but close enough that I'm really starting look forward to romancing Iron Bull. Har.
Just finished the story campaign (this game is freaking fantastic) and wanted to chime in as an elf mage Inquis who romanced Solas.
I am a little worried that the dlc will ruin Solas as a character for me if they decide to make him do dumb Anders type stuff (I wasn't into Anders at all in DAI 2 although he was fine in Awakening). I find it hard to like people who do dumb things repeatedly and not learn from their mistakes. I would rather root for the intelligent villain.
I feel like Solas needs a good scolding to take him down from his arrogance as well as compassion so that he can stop feeling guilty for past mistakes.
Compassion doesn't really do it though. Cole tries more than once. Solas says he can't help - and I suspect he means it. If Cole could help, Solas might let him. Since he can't help, he doesn't want Cole to keep trying because Cole might be corrupted by his inability to do anything.
Just finished the story campaign (this game is freaking fantastic) and wanted to chime in as an elf mage Inquis who romanced Solas.
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I don't think he's really in a state to be making the best decisions.
I think this is a good point to keep in mind.
Even though, throughout the game, Solas appears to be polite and rational and well-put-together, in the final scene with Flemeth he looks utterly broken. We already know he blames himself for whatever he did in the past (and perhaps by extension the current state of the world). But he also blames himself for the entire problem that kicks off the plot of Inquisition. It was his orb that Cory used to open the breach, his fault that Cory had it, his fault all of those people were killed, and his fault every time a spirit was sucked through a rift, turned into a demon, and tried to take a chunk out of the Inquisitor. I think the guy was barely holding it together during the game.
Compassion doesn't really do it though. Cole tries more than once. Solas says he can't help - and I suspect he means it. If Cole could help, Solas might let him. Since he can't help, he doesn't want Cole to keep trying because Cole might be corrupted by his inability to do anything.
Cole is a spirit. It might be different coming from actual people.
I think this is a good point to keep in mind.
Even though, throughout the game, Solas appears to be polite and rational and well-put-together, in the final scene with Flemeth he looks utterly broken. We already know he blames himself for whatever he did in the past (and perhaps by extension the current state of the world). But he also blames himself for the entire problem that kicks off the plot of Inquisition. It was his orb that Cory used to open the breach, his fault that Cory had it, his fault all of those people were killed, and his fault every time a spirit was sucked through a rift, turned into a demon, and tried to take a chunk out of the Inquisitor. I think the guy was barely holding it together during the game.
We'll see. I don't want them to turn him into a pitiful crazy character.
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