It's either a bug or an oversight. Either way, the "begging" Solas claims he did doesn't happen, and it makes the anger he shows over your choice feel very out of place. I don't think they could really fix it now, though.
EDIT: Or they could fix it, but it'd be a super low priority fix. >_>
Does anyone know if it was reported?
Weekes said it was poor wording on his part, not a bug.
Weekes said it was poor wording on his part, not a bug.
That's disappointing, but I understand.
Hi all.
So... replayed the last romance scene today. I was lurking for quite some time in this tread and I remember people thinking whether Solas thought to end relationship with Lavellan from it's beginning or it came to him during the scene.
Well... knowing what to expect... it looked like he totally went with her to the Fade with the intent to dump her >.> Guy could be an immortal god or whatever, but he's clueless like that 
. He probably thought telling the truth about valasslin will soften the blow or something, lol. Last gift, so to say. And the kiss after the valasslin's (not-)removal was either goodbye kiss for him or he just couldn't stop himself. Guess breaking up was harder than expected.
I think this is a good point to keep in mind.
Even though, throughout the game, Solas appears to be polite and rational and well-put-together, in the final scene with Flemeth he looks utterly broken. We already know he blames himself for whatever he did in the past (and perhaps by extension the current state of the world). But he also blames himself for the entire problem that kicks off the plot of Inquisition. It was his orb that Cory used to open the breach, his fault that Cory had it, his fault all of those people were killed, and his fault every time a spirit was sucked through a rift, turned into a demon, and tried to take a chunk out of the Inquisitor. I think the guy was barely holding it together during the game.
I think he was holding it together alright throughout the game, because he was confident he would retrieve his orb and go about.. whatever his plans are. But the orb broke. He felt lost, and retreated to Flemythal, perhaps for help/ guidance. He does look so broken in that last scene. It's hard to watch.
Does anyone know if it was reported?
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I think he was holding it together alright throughout the game, because he was confident he would retrieve his orb and go about.. whatever his plans are. But the orb broke. He felt lost, and retreated to Flemythal, perhaps for help/ guidance. He does look so broken in that last scene. It's hard to watch.
For me that scene is almost harder to watch than the breakup one. The way he says, "I am so sorry." I just... 
Flemeth too, for that matter. I'm used to Flemeth being the enigmatic badass lady who sends me on mysterious quests and enjoys sassing my PCs. For her to sound so tired and sad...I can't even.
For me that scene is almost harder to watch than the breakup one. The way he says, "I am so sorry." I just...
Flemeth too, for that matter. I'm used to Flemeth being the enigmatic badass lady who sends me on mysterious quests and enjoys sassing my PCs. For her to sound so tired and sad...I can't even.
With all his guilt and sadness and what he says in the post-credits scene, I'm starting to think Solas will end up being a Mordin 2.0 
Hi all.
So... replayed the last romance scene today. I was lurking for quite some time in this tread and I remember people thinking whether Solas thought to end relationship with Lavellan from it's beginning or it came to him during the scene.
Well... knowing what to expect... it looked like he totally went with her to the Fade with the intent to dump her >.> Guy could be an immortal god or whatever, but he's clueless like that
I don't think he had planned to dump her. There are a lot of ques that suggest he wasn't planning to do it in that scene. I have watched the part where he pulls away from the kiss a thousand times and it looks like first something shocked him to make quite kissing Lavellan (maybe realizing he has to do the secret thing that he has to do) or he had to catch himself and then his looks turns to sorrow. Either way it is very sad.
Hi all.
So... replayed the last romance scene today. I was lurking for quite some time in this tread and I remember people thinking whether Solas thought to end relationship with Lavellan from it's beginning or it came to him during the scene.
Well... knowing what to expect... it looked like he totally went with her to the Fade with the intent to dump her >.> Guy could be an immortal god or whatever, but he's clueless like that
I disagree that he took her away with the intent. (I don't know to do the spoilers tag, sorry! So SPOILERS, SPOILERS AHEAD!)This was after he questions you about you'll do with the power you have and/or share with Morrigan. Your reaction sparks something in him-it inspires him, I think, to do better. I think he took her away with the intent of giving her the gift, and as kissed her desperately, and looked upon her, he decided to put aside his selfishness and put his love for her ahead of his own happiness.
Part of the reason I think this is because throughout the game, he thinks him and the Inquisitor being an item is a bad idea because he doesn't want to hurt her, but he's selfish in that he wants more and more of her (we see this little war in his mind through little gestures like head shakes). She changed his everything, after all. But at one point he sees her as this wholly beautiful being that he would no longer tarnish over selfishness, and so, wanting to prevent her from whatever hell he's about to go through, he leaves.
Then again, part of me is soooo hurt not by his "selfless" act of leaving her, but because, if you replay the game or caught this on your first playthrough, we come to understand early in the game that Solas was going to leave. The foreshadowing comes in the second conversation you have with him in Haven (after that first cuscene), where he brings up the orb and that he basically says he'll not give up finding it until he sees the shattered pieces of this "artifact" with his own eyes. But of course, we can headcanon this and say that his reasoning changes depending on the relationship/friendship with the Inquisitor.
"I am the very model of a scientist Salarian..." ;___;
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Solas is the first elvhen I like and gave my heart to. After our romance ended, all I want now is revenge.
You know, it's scary how relevant to my interests Solas ended up being.
Of course, it could all blow up and break my heart into itty bitty pieces but until then I'm just gonna appreciate this.
And that post-credits scene tugged on my heartstrings something awful. Solas presses all of my woobie buttons. I just want him to find some kind of happiness.
"I am the very model of a scientist Salarian..." ;___;
NO....No.... Why did you do this to my feels? I had his song as a ringtone for the longes time and then ME3 happened--oh my god this is a terrible flashback.
NO....No.... Why did you do this to my feels? I had his song as a ringtone for the longes time and then ME3 happened--oh my god this is a terrible flashback.
Also written by Patrick Weekes, by the way.
Weeeeeeeekes!
Also written by Patrick Weekes, by the way.
Weeeeeeeekes!
That appears to be this thread's curse word.
(Sorry if it's been mentioned already)
I was kind of wondering what Solas might have meant by "the people" when he meets with Flemeth. I was watching some videos on youtube of Flemeth and trying to interpret some of the things she was saying. There's a particularly interesting part when you meet her on Sundermount in Dragon Age 2. When Merrill graciously greets Flemeth (aka Ashabellanar) Flemeth replies with "one of the people, I see."
Which could mean that "the people" are elves, dalish or otherwise.
Maybe I'm just looking into it too much.
He'd always known the romance was a bad idea, visibly and verbally making that rather obvious. After all, the Quizzy would definitely see the expressions on his face and the hesitation between romantic moments. We can hardly assume those moments are limited to the one or two cutscenes we actually see. 
But he gave in, because love, and because he was inspired and feeling alive in a way he hadn't in ages. Also, there are conversations with other characters that should leave the Quizzy wondering about Solas' mysterious past. She had to have known, to a point, that she was getting into something more complicated than it seemed. Personally, I'm in the camp of not thinking he's a jerk for up and bailing. He provided the Quizzy with beautiful moments in a terrible time, truth in a way no one else could, and he pointed her to Skyhold wherein he memorialized her deeds. Better to have loved like that than to have never loved at all. That said, all signs should point to him leaving for a very good reason. If he could use the Quizzy's help, he would ask, wouldn't he? I mean, he did, didn't he? In his personal quest? Clearly, it was a difficult decision he pained having to make. Something the Quizzy should be all too familiar with.
NO....No.... Why did you do this to my feels? I had his song as a ringtone for the longes time and then ME3 happened--oh my god this is a terrible flashback.
I'm sorry! It slipped out!
(Sorry if it's been mentioned already)
I was kind of wondering what Solas might have meant by "the people" when he meets with Flemeth. I was watching some videos on youtube of Flemeth and trying to interpret some of the things she was saying. There's a particularly interesting part when you meet her on Sundermount in Dragon Age 2. When Merrill graciously greets Flemeth (aka Ashabellanar) Flemeth replies with "one of the people, I see."
Which could mean that "the people" are elves, dalish or otherwise.
Maybe I'm just looking into it too much.
Personally, I think he is referring to Elvenkind in general. He has dialogue about how he has no way of helping the elves, and he seems to care deeply about their plight (which is implied he may be responsible for) If that's the case, whatever he is going to do next will be with the intent of helping them and restoring what they once were.
Also, "Elvhen" translates to "Our People". Wouldn't be too much of a stretch to translate that to "The People", imo
I would call Hawke a bit between villain and hero. Hawke was a mass murder no matter how you played them. Sure a lot of them were bandits and such, but Hawke wasn't a good kind of hero. Like one of the dark heroes.
Also written by Patrick Weekes, by the way.
Weeeeeeeekes!
Damn it, I forgot! **** ****ity ****! NOOOOOO!
Weeeeeeeeeeeekes! WHY!
He'd always known the romance was a bad idea, visibly and verbally making that rather obvious. After all, the Quizzy would definitely see the expressions on his face and the hesitation between romantic moments. We can hardly assume those moments are limited to the one or two cutscenes we actually see.
*polite snip*
If he could use the Quizzy's help, he would ask, wouldn't he? I mean, he did, didn't he? In his personal quest? Clearly, it was a difficult decision he pained having to make. Something the Quizzy should be all too familiar with.
Exactly on the first part. 
But I disagree that he'd ask for her help in something as grave as whatever is in store for him--he wants to keep her whole and good. Who knows what's going to happen to him, I think he wants to protect her from either himself or whatever is going to happen.
Personally, I'm in the camp of not thinking he's a jerk for up and bailing. He provided the Quizzy with beautiful moments in a terrible time, truth in a way no one else could, and he pointed her to Skyhold wherein he memorialized her deeds. Better to have loved like that than to have never loved at all. That said, all signs should point to him leaving for a very good reason. If he could use the Quizzy's help, he would ask, wouldn't he? I mean, he did, didn't he? In his personal quest? Clearly, it was a difficult decision he pained having to make. Something the Quizzy should be all too familiar with.
This is my quizzy's perspective as well. After she gets over the initial shock and heartbreak, I think the only thing that really ticks her off is how Solas just up and decided she wasn't going to be involved in his future. Whatever that future is, it probably involves the legacy of the ancient elves. That legacy belongs to her too, and to all the elves in Thedas. It wasn't his decision to make, at least not solo.
She understands that he really did love her, that it caused him a lot of pain to leave her, and she does still love him fiercely. She'd even be willing to forgive the whole lying-about-being-the-Dread-Wolf thing. It's mostly the "Solas knows best" attitude that makes her want to deck him.
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