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I thought Gareth David-Lloyd did a brilliant job of voicing Solas, making Elvish sound like an actual language.  

 

The one conversation that interests me in particular occurs if you take Solas with you into the Fade (seen here at 4:05).  

 

I've seen a number of attempts at translations of Solas' conversations, but I'm fairly certain the ones of his conversation with the Nightmare are based on faulty premises, such as forgetting the fact that while "ma" may translate to the adjective "my" or the objective pronoun "me", it is also used as the pronoun "you". Furthermore, the word "solas" is not capitalized, so the Nightmare is not referring directly to Solas himself.  Using the Elven phrases on p. 32 from "The World of Thedas, Vol I", I translate the following thusly (don't read if you want to avoid spoilers):

 

Nightmare:  Dirth ma, Harellan.  Ma banal enasalin.  Mar solas ena mar din.

(Harellan = Trickster; banal = "nothing", inferred from banalhan = "place of nothing"; enasalin = "the process of obtaining joyful relief", inferred from enasal = "joyful relief"; solas = "pride, to stand tall; din = "the dead")

 

Solas:  Banal nadas.

(nadas = "an inevitability, something that must be")

 

Nightmare:  Tell me, Trickster   You have not found joyful relief.  What was once proud and stood tall appears to have died.

Solas:  It does not have to remain so.


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I really want to know why there is no possibilty of him being with the Inquisitor. When you talk to Cole after the epilogue he says how Solas has to walk this path alone forever. What is he up to?!?!? There must be more to it than him just wanting to open up the Eluvian to free the Elven gods.

Also, it really ticks me off that after Solas dumps you and you talk to him, he promises that all will be made clear after dealing with Cory and then he just leaves! What the dickens Solas!



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(Sorry if it's been mentioned already)

 

I was kind of wondering what Solas might have meant by "the people" when he meets with Flemeth. I was watching some videos on youtube of Flemeth and trying to interpret some of the things she was saying. There's a particularly interesting part when you meet her on Sundermount in Dragon Age 2. When Merrill graciously greets Flemeth (aka Ashabellanar) Flemeth replies with "one of the people, I see." 

 

Which could mean that "the people" are elves, dalish or otherwise. 

 

Maybe I'm just looking into it too much. 

 

That's all... debatable.  Dalish elves often use the phrase 'the People' as shorthand for their kind, but Solas is very clear in the beginning that he does not consider the Dalish "his people".  They are mere echoes of what once was, remnants- hardly real to him at all. 

 

Until Lavellan.  And through her, resurrection of hope for the rest of the Dalish.

 

Cole "He hurts, an old pain from before, when everything sang the same.  You're real, and it means everyone could be real.  It changes everything, but it can't.  They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..."

 

So depending on whether he's made that breakthrough, there's some flexibility in what that final speech might mean. (Which may be why his final card doesn't change to the Tower if you've romanced him.)  Without her, it's most likely that he means the ancient Elvhen powers.    With her, he likely means the Dalish... though both objectives may lead to the same thing: release of the other "Gods" from their eluvian prison.



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I really want to know why there is no possibilty of him being with the Inquisitor. When you talk to Cole after the epilogue he says how Solas has to walk this path alone forever. What is he up to?!?!? There must be more to it than him just wanting to open up the Eluvian to free the Elven gods.

Also, it really ticks me off that after Solas dumps you and you talk to him, he promises that all will be made clear after dealing with Cory and then he just leaves! What the dickens Solas!

My hopes is that it's DLC baiting. However, my hopes have been dashed before... It doesn't seem right not to have something akin to Witch Hunt in the future, even for non-Solasmancers. There's pretty much equal reason to chase after our favorite egghead as there was for chasing after Morrigan in the aftermath of Origins.


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Also, it really ticks me off that after Solas dumps you and you talk to him, he promises that all will be made clear after dealing with Cory and then he just leaves! What the dickens Solas!

 

He says that assuming the orb is whole, and whatever he planned to do with it would be self-evident at that point.  But the orb broke, and he's left with no way to carry out his plan aside from the events of the epilogue.



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Until Lavellan.  And through her, resurrection of hope for the rest of the Dalish.

 

 

Even with other Inquisitors, depending on his friendly/relationship/rivarly, it can mean different things, or one thing for different reasons.  Damn this was good writing.

 

My hopes is that it's DLC baiting. However, my hopes have been dashed before... It doesn't seem right not to have something akin to Witch Hunt in the future, even for non-Solasmancers. There's pretty much equal reason to chase after our favorite egghead as there was for chasing after Morrigan in the aftermath of Origins.

I have never wanted this type of DLC as badly I do now. TAKE MY MONEY, BIOWARE! (Oh and I'll also buy a Solas necklace, or hoodie, etc.please and thanks!)


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(Sorry if it's been mentioned already)

 

I was kind of wondering what Solas might have meant by "the people" when he meets with Flemeth. I was watching some videos on youtube of Flemeth and trying to interpret some of the things she was saying. There's a particularly interesting part when you meet her on Sundermount in Dragon Age 2. When Merrill graciously greets Flemeth (aka Ashabellanar) Flemeth replies with "one of the people, I see." 

 

Which could mean that "the people" are elves, dalish or otherwise. 

 

Maybe I'm just looking into it too much. 

Yup, "the people" are a general term for elves. Their word Elvhen translates to this.

But I think Solas tends to make the distinction that the modern elves, Dalish and city elf, are NOT his people in that he believes them to be too different from the ancient elves. That's a personal distinction that I think really gives insight and drives a lot of the speculation with how he feels about the ancient pantheons and such. I think he distances himself from them because allowing himself to get too close, to see them all as "real" as he sees the Inquisitor, would cause him to falter in his ultimate plan that I believe has something to do with the ancient elves, I aligning myself quite comfortably with the speculation that he wants to free the old "gods."

I think he is also very disappointed, that he had a grand plan way back when and it all went awry, and given his other apparent identity, everyone despises him for what he thought was a good thing. He thought it would end up well when it happened, and he's just as disappointed in himself that it didn't turn out right. I think it makes sense that Cullen was race gated just given his personality to me, but for Solas the "super story sense" really does force him to be race gated. If he's still immortal, or remembers what it was like to be immortal, and if he's been studying up as well as he seems/was aware while in his sleep, he knows the ancient elves came to lose their immortality by being with shemlens. I don't think he really wants to have kids, exactly, or that just being around and not necessarily breeding with humans didn't also cause the loss of immortality, but the idea might still be a little bit off-putting. Much more importantly though, using a nonelf (or, if we were given the same options as in Origins, using a nonDalish even) would make his apparent identity both more and less of a problem. If he were to ever tell a romance Inquisitor who he really is, and they weren't an elf with Dalish beliefs, they'd either respond with "well I believe in the Maker! What does this all mean then! Are you really a god!" (all being relevant questions even for an elf, really, but the Maker part is what I'd like to emphasize haha Or, for Qunari, the sort of atheistic belief system) and also less in that he would probably still want to hide his identity but if he did come clean doing so to a nonelf who doesn't really care about elven history and religion would be... less significant. They probably wouldn't even believe him at all.

Besides how touching it is to have the option to remove the vallaslin, which is purely elven obviously, there are many, many other things that just seem to require an elf. Even one who is so far from ancient, "true", "his people" elves is more likely to react in a story sense way than any of the other races.

I think he isn't currently as fond of the city elves because they live in such poor conditions, most enslaved, but don't seem to really do anything about it. If he really did imprison the old gods because he disapproved of some of their things, including slavery, this would probably really bother him to still see it going on. Even if that's not what happened, he is clearly very against slavery, given his debates with Iron Bull and Dorian and such. Though I do agree with many earlier posts that he dislikes things from a macroscopic view, groups as a whole, while he is far more compassionate towards individuals, towards the girl who can hope for better things even if she never gets them, to the cook who rebels so slightly in each little baked good. He probably is disappointed as well in the Dalish, for getting history wrong, for branding him as something evil (whether its really their fault or not that over such a long period of time this is how history came to be for them) and thereby putting one of the little barriers up, one of the little challenges, that prevents him from just being open. And most Dalish seem to feel "holier than thou" in regards to the city elves, when they themselves aren't necessarily any better or closer to the ancient elves. I think that that arrogance would bother Solas, even though he himself seems to have his arrogant moments as well. There's also the obvious lack of as powerful magic and such in modern elves. If they lost this over time, of course it can really not be faulted, but I do sometimes wonder if perhaps the people lost or even voluntarily gave something up that Solas cherished in his original age. If maybe during his sleep they did something to make the world worse themselves. After all, if they kept up with the between and didn't let the eluvians break, become unusable, and whatever else Morrigan mentions maybe he wouldn't need that immense power to unlock them, or do whatever he wants to do, and he wouldn't have then made his second mistake of letting the orb go to Corypheus. If he does want to free the old gods, I wonder if they're all imprisoned behind one Eluvian, or in one location, and if so, if that particular one is one of the messed up ones. Or if multiple Eluvians can go to one place. Or if I'm even making sense now.....



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I don't think he had planned to dump her. There are a lot of ques that suggest he wasn't planning to do it in that scene. I have watched the part where he pulls away from the kiss a thousand times and it looks like first something shocked him to make quite kissing Lavellan (maybe realizing he has to do the secret thing that he has to do) or he had to catch himself and then his looks turns to sorrow. Either way it is very sad. :(

Same here.

 

I think he didn't expect to feel so attached to her. His shock is at how much he wants her. He realizes there is no way he will be able to end things if they get any closer so he backs out and is really afraid because he barely has the strength to break up then and there. (he says "vhenan please" in a desperate voice if you tell him you love him, says he can't stay..). Is like. he goes "oh ****, I thought we could have one last romantic night before i do what I must but if Lavellan and I get any closer I won't be strong enough to end it. I have to stop this right now, or all is lost"..


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#29084
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You know, it's scary how relevant to my interests Solas ended up being.

  • History nerd
  • Amazing voice
  • Basically a magical Anthropologist
  • Adorable
  • Intelligent
  • Kind
  • Snarky
  • Real-life mythological figure

Of course, it could all blow up and break my heart into itty bitty pieces but until then I'm just gonna appreciate this.

 

And that post-credits scene tugged on my heartstrings something awful. Solas presses all of my woobie buttons. I just want him to find some kind of happiness.  :crying:

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I really want to know why there is no possibilty of him being with the Inquisitor. When you talk to Cole after the epilogue he says how Solas has to walk this path alone forever. What is he up to?!?!? There must be more to it than him just wanting to open up the Eluvian to free the Elven gods.

Also, it really ticks me off that after Solas dumps you and you talk to him, he promises that all will be made clear after dealing with Cory and then he just leaves! What the dickens Solas!

I am thinking it may be a mix of both, but I'm curious if he has to walk the path alone because he's telling himself he has to, because he feels guilty and responsible or because he realizes his path may conflict with the Inquisitor's/he expects punishment that he doesn't want the Inquisitor to get mixed up in ("wouldn't even wish it on my enemy"), or if it's also a bit literal. If he wants to travel the betweens or even the Fade, for example, I can see that being much easier for him and much longer lasting than for the Inquisitor just given his power and age and such. Hmmm.


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Same here.

 

I think he didn't expect to feel so attached to her. His shock is at how much he wants her. He realizes there is no way he will be able to end things if they get any closer so he backs out and is really afraid because he barely has the strength to break up then and there. (he says "vhenan please" in a desperate voice if you tell him you love him, says he can't stay..). Is like. he goes "oh ****, I thought we could have one last romantic night before i do what I must but if Lavellan and I get any closer I won't be strong enough to end it. I have to stop this right now, or all is lost"..

Someone mentioned it way earlier.  But maybe his intentions started out wanting to use her and ended with him falling in love and he just couldn't.  :P Least I like to think so.



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I didn't particularly care for Rose.  She was an abuser, but damn if that wasn't sad. 



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Someone mentioned it way earlier.  But maybe his intentions started out wanting to use her and ended with him falling in love and he just couldn't.   :P Least I like to think so.

A bit like the assassin who realizes they just can't do it. I could run with that.



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This is my quizzy's perspective as well.  After she gets over the initial shock and heartbreak, I think the only thing that really ticks her off is how Solas just up and decided she wasn't going to be involved in his future.  Whatever that future is, it probably involves the legacy of the ancient elves.  That legacy belongs to her too, and to all the elves in Thedas.  It wasn't his decision to make, at least not solo.

 

She understands that he really did love her, that it caused him a lot of pain to leave her, and she does still love him fiercely.  She'd even be willing to forgive the whole lying-about-being-the-Dread-Wolf thing.  It's mostly the "Solas knows best" attitude that makes her want to deck him.

Agreed. My Quizzy is hurting and confused but deep down she knows Solas loves her just as much as she loves him. He just can't for some mysterious reason, which may be just him being wrong, as he has been in the past :P



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Off topic but that explains why I liked her so much especially purple Hawke "sigh" I miss her so.

Anti-Hero! That's what it's called!



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I really want to know why there is no possibilty of him being with the Inquisitor. When you talk to Cole after the epilogue he says how Solas has to walk this path alone forever. What is he up to?!?!? There must be more to it than him just wanting to open up the Eluvian to free the Elven gods.
Also, it really ticks me off that after Solas dumps you and you talk to him, he promises that all will be made clear after dealing with Cory and then he just leaves! What the dickens Solas!


Well, he went through all the time and effort to charge the Orb only to find that his power had atrophied after his long slumber. Then he found Corypheus and hatched a plan to have him unlock it for him, only to have it blow up in his face. Then after all of the effort he spent to fix this mistake his irreplaceable Orb is destroyed. Yet again, poor Solas has gotten kicked in the head.

From the way Cole talks there was a time when everything "sang the same". The Blight, the call of the Old Gods, and both forms of lyrium cause people exposed to it to hear singing. The lyrium the Templars take "causes them to reach out for something else, but the lyrium is already there" and the dwarves "carry a bit of the old song". Everything appears to have been connected to some manner of magic that permeated the world, but the Veil cut it off. Solas' grand scheme threw the world out of balance.

This is just a wild guess, but Elven lore says that the Pantheon cast out their creator, the Sun. The whole fire iconography, "Creator that abandoned their creation", and the prophecy of his eventual return to this world makes me think that the "Sun" mentioned by the Ancient Elves and the Maker are one and the same. He's coming back (possibly for vengeance) and the Elven Pantheon, trapped elsewhere are powerless to stand against him.
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He realizes there is no way he will be able to end things if they get any closer so he backs out and is really afraid because he barely has the strength to break up then and there. (he says "vhenan please" in a desperate voice if you tell him you love him, says he can't stay..). Is like. he goes "oh ****, I thought we could have one last romantic night before i do what I must but if Lavellan and I get any closer I won't be strong enough to end it. I have to stop this right now, or all is lost"..

 

It does make me wonder what he thought was going to happen after, though.  He must have known the effect the breakup would have on Lavellan.  I know it varies from quizzy to quizzy, but for mine, getting over him is not going to be easy or quick, years at least.  He was her mentor, her lover, her guide in the Fade.  He was so much more than anyone else could be, even if it was only for a relatively short time.  How do you move on from someone like that?


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Oh lordy, reminds me of the cut-scene with Cole in Val Royeaux where he gave that random guy love advice about using "restraints" in bed hahahaha. I'm inspired. 

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HAHAHA YES 

 

I'm loving dominant Solas. I love all of you. T_T

 

Yes, but spirits are predictable. People might have more interesting things to say to him that might have an impact. I think Solas needs to learn how to have self-compassion, but that is usually learned when others express compassion for you. He also needs to learn the strengths of being a person and not put spirits on pedestals all the time.

 

Exactly.

 

 

It does make me wonder what he thought was going to happen after, though.  He must have known the effect the breakup would have on Lavellan.  I know it varies from quizzy to quizzy, but for mine, getting over him is not going to be easy or quick, years at least.  He was her mentor, her lover, her guide in the Fade.  He was so much more than anyone else could be, even if it was only for a relatively short time.  How do you move on from someone like that?

 

 

Terrwyn never intended to become involved with anyone after she became the First - her clan was more important. Then freaking everything went wrong, and he was a constant in the storm.



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Playing through my second Lavellan, and finally got to the fade-tongue. (Jeebus, hard mode was harder than I anticipated!)

 

I picked an option I hadn't picked before and pretty much lost it.

 

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Does anyone happen to have a video of the final final scene with Solas if you picked the angry option during the break up? He says something like "You were right to be angry" and I can't seem to find it anywhere.

 

Also, does anyone know which particular angry option triggers this response instead of the other, or is it both?



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Playing through my second Lavellan, and finally got to the fade-tongue. (Jeebus, hard mode was harder than I anticipated!)

 

I picked an option I hadn't picked before and pretty much lost it.

 

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Does anyone happen to have a video of the final final scene with Solas if you picked the angry option during the break up? He says something like "You were right to be angry" and I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Also, does anyone know which particular angry option triggers this response instead of the other, or is it both?

He says "You were right to be angry. I hope, in time, you'll understand"
You have to choose "I don't want to loose you" then "Don't do this to me"
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Serious question.

 

What would Solas think of Pokemon?


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Serious question.

 

What would Solas think of Pokemon?

The game? I'd imagine he'd find it a waste of time. The actual concept? I'd imagine we'd have another N on our hands, though not as easily manipulated.