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[scintilla]

Speaking of...

 

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Was anyone as disappointed as I was to see that silly hat clip into his face during the dance bit?

 

Pretty much everyone, I think.

 

He doesn't say it at all. I know I have only received approval from him, and not disapproval. We kissed once in the fade and once on the balcony, I've exhausted all dialogue options with him, found his elven artifacts and activated them, did the all faded quest. He's always in my party, but I don't hear any romance teasing from other companions. Did I. Not get far enough for the romance to happen? I haven't done wicked hearts yet, but I am working on here lies the abyss. Should something happen after that?

 

That sounds bugged to me. He should start changing his greeting at higher approval (lethallan) and again once the romance is active (vhenan, my heart). I don't think it necessarily indicates the romance is bugged but talking to Sera about him is good advice. If she gives you the "elven glory" line, you should be good. Sera is the only person who has a banter about the Solas romance before the final scene (which occurs after What Pride Had Wrought - Cole will have one after and Cassandra might have one, depending on your decision). It took a long time for me to get it because it's just one of a whole lot of possible banters.

[LilyasAvalon]

He moves in mysterious ways.

 

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HE'S BEAUTY. HE'S GRACE.

[lapsi4ka]

'tis thread moves too fast   I can't catch up with everything!   But I love love love everything you do here

[Chanda]

Maybe they'll fix that with the patch?

[Tamyn]

I just read a theory that Solas was planning to explain everything/maybe get back together if he could have retrieved the orb intact and he and Lavellan were both still alive. But since the orb was broken he had to leave to seek power elsewhere. That makes sense to me (and makes what he said before not a complete lie).

[Chanda]

Remember in Origins, talking to Alistair and his head twists off? I laughed way harder than I should have.

[Cosmia]

I wonder what a Fen'harel vallaslin would look like?

[Chanda]

I wonder if the fact that

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vallaslin are slave markings

will come up in the next game?

[samsterjammy]

I wonder if the fact that

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vallaslin are slave markings

will come up in the next game?

Only Cass, Jose and Sera really talked about it, really hope they develop this

[TheComfyCat]

I just read a theory that Solas was planning to explain everything/maybe get back together if he could have retrieved the orb intact and he and Lavellan were both still alive. But since the orb was broken he had to leave to seek power elsewhere. That makes sense to me (and makes what he said before not a complete lie).

 

In that final conversation you can have with Solas (after the final romance scene), if the inquisitor asks if he'll talk with her after they finish with Corypheus, and he'll say "if we're both still alive after Corypheus, then I promise you everything will be made clear."

 

That sounds to me like he thought the truth would be self-evident, not that he was planning to actually explain anything to her

 

But I do think that his plans had to change because he was expecting to retrieve the orb intact, which led him to seek out Flemythal.

[scintilla]

I just read a theory that Solas was planning to explain everything/maybe get back together if he could have retrieved the orb intact and he and Lavellan were both still alive. But since the orb was broken he had to leave to seek power elsewhere. That makes sense to me (and makes what he said before not a complete lie).

 

 

What he said before wasn't a complete lie. He said "everything will become clear" and that phrasing was probably rather deliberate, since he could have just said that he'd explain if that was his intention. It's made a lie when the orb breaks, I think.

 

If he were planning to get back together with her, why break up at all? Solas had plans for the orb before he even knew Lavellan existed. I'm pretty certain the break up is the result of him prioritizing those plans over their relationship, which is fair. Some things are more important than love and Solas clearly thinks he has some responsibility, some duty to fulfill and for whatever reason is convinced he can't do it when he's with her. Maybe when he said "I won't distract you" he meant "you won't distract me."

[animedreamer]

What worries me is that he believes she will be better off not involved with him romantically, I say this because it almost sounds like whatever he is trying to accomplish will some how harm her or her thoughts about him. Maybe he feels she'll not feel the same way she did for him once she realizes he's the dread wolf. I mean the Dalish don't paint him in the best light, and to know you'd been kissing and making lovely dovey with him could kind of break a hardcore Dalish Elf. Just saying.

[Dermain]

 

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Cole: "They sleep- masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..." *gasps as Solas slams his mental door shut*

 

yyyyep.  Black City here we come.   Definitely DLC teaser material TBC in DA:4 and beyond, is my bet.   And though the Big Bad almost certainly won't be Solas himself, the good money is that he'll be the guy letting them back in for all the 'right' reasons.  ...though how he's going to manage that without the orb will be interesting to see, since the only key to that particuar eluvian is now a handful of charred rubble, and there's no other known way to get in or out.

 

....oh lord.  Unless that knowledge is what he stole from Flemeth at the end.   I mean, in theory she clawed her way out somehow... right?

 

True, but when we killed them in the past (Warden-style) all we did was send them back to the Fade, right?  So... they're all still there.   And I imagine when that veil comes down, they're going to be pretty cranky.

 

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Well, it all depends on who possessed who at the end there. Did Mythal possess Solas, or did Solas possess Mythal?

 

As for the forbidden ones, seeing as Solas says that spirits will reform, but that they won't necessarily be the same pre-death.

 

 

What worries me is that he believes she will be better off not involved with him romantically, I say this because it almost sounds like whatever he is trying to accomplish will some how harm her or her thoughts about him. Maybe he feels she'll not feel the same way she did for him once she realizes he's the dread wolf. I mean the Dalish don't paint him in the best light, and to know you'd been kissing and making lovely dovey with him could kind of break a hardcore Dalish Elf. Just saying.

 

Well, if you're a hardcore Dalish elf then you're probably still going to be more upset about the whole slave marking thing.

 

Then again, I suppose said elf could then reason that since Fen Harel is the "trickster god" that maybe he's lying, but since it becomes quite apparent he isn't a "trickster"...

[Mims]

My apologies if someone has posted this. Someone ran some comparison shots to determine where Solas and Flemeth are at the end of the game. Could be reused models too, but, it does seem uncanny that the same wall is in both. 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=4RMVmZX1WA0

[Ajna]

Atisha was never a hardcore Dalish Elf, she's open minded to the point of eccentricity, I think she'd be ok with the revelation.

[Ajna]

My apologies if someone has posted this. Someone ran some comparison shots to determine where Solas and Flemeth are at the end of the game. Could be reused models too, but, it does seem uncanny that the same wall is in both. 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=4RMVmZX1WA0

Yeah I watched this earlier, I want moar Ashe flycam uncovering the secrets!  It would be amazing if it actually exists somewhere...

[animedreamer]

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Well, it all depends on who possessed who at the end there. Did Mythal possess Solas, or did Solas possess Mythal?

 

As for the forbidden ones, seeing as Solas says that spirits will reform, but that they won't necessarily be the same pre-death.

 

 

 

Well, if you're a hardcore Dalish elf then you're probably still going to be more upset about the whole slave marking thing.

 

Then again, I suppose said elf could then reason that since Fen Harel is the "trickster god" that maybe he's lying, but since it becomes quite apparent he isn't a "trickster"...

I think the Dalish even without knowing the true origin of the markings, have altered their reasoning for using them and keeping them. To them it doesn't mean what it did back in the old Elven Empire so really Solas view of them doesn't really matter to the Dalish as a whole. Sure it's shocking but they've made it into something new and meaningful to them now.

[Aviena]

Maybe he feels she'll not feel the same way she did for him once she realizes he's the dread wolf. I mean the Dalish don't paint him in the best light, and to know you'd been kissing and making lovely dovey with him could kind of break a hardcore Dalish Elf. Just saying.

 

Possible, but a big part of Solas' romance is being openminded and inquisitive (hah!) - or at least I would have said so. I would have hoped he thought better of Lavellan than that

[Abelas]

What he said before wasn't a complete lie. He said "everything will become clear" and that phrasing was probably rather deliberate, since he could have just said that he'd explain if that was his intention. It's made a lie when the orb breaks, I think.

 

If he were planning to get back together with her, why break up at all? Solas had plans for the orb before he even knew Lavellan existed. I'm pretty certain the break up is the result of him prioritizing those plans over their relationship, which is fair. Some things are more important than love and Solas clearly thinks he has some responsibility, some duty to fulfill and for whatever reason is convinced he can't do it when he's with her. Maybe when he said "I won't distract you" he meant "you won't distract me."

 

I subscribe to the theory that his “everything will become clear” didn’t mean he would be the one explaining. I can see it easily being the same as “you’ll see”. A clear indication that whatever he’s about to do, it will be pretty self-evident. He doesn’t want Lavellan to completely understand, still. He clearly thinks that she would not support him (he isn’t wrong there), but what he needs to do is what it NEEDS to be done, despite even her condemnation of it. 

However, I don’t entirely see as her being separate of his objective. For all the talk about “his” people, I think he genuinely sees whatever he’s about to do as the only solution to the world’s problems that are affecting everyone, including her. (Blights, Mage pocession and imprisonment, elven slavery, etc fill in here the LONG list of everything that is going wrong with Thedas). 

 

I do think he somewhat sees her as a “distraction” though. It’s probably not the best term, and things are more complicated than that. But he once talked about how passion can make people give importance to things that aren’t so, how the wise give what people need and not what they want. I think Solas sees her somewhat as the death of his reasoning. It does after all, make him doubt. 

 

 

My apologies if someone has posted this. Someone ran some comparison shots to determine where Solas and Flemeth are at the end of the game. Could be reused models too, but, it does seem uncanny that the same wall is in both. 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=4RMVmZX1WA0

 

Whoa, very interesting stuff here. I mean, obviously they had to render the area somewhere, but this might give us clues. 

[GrinningRogue]

So I'm not sure this has been mentioned in the thread before, but I have to ask. How do you change Solas's card in party picker? I mean other than romancing him. Is it possible to get the Hierophant version without doing so? I finished a playthrough and his card never changed.

[Mims]

I don't believe his card changes. If you romance him you get the hierophant, otherwise you have the hermit until he leaves at the end and you get the tower. 

 

Edit; Also, wow. Solas shirt is now completely sold out for ladies. We have spoken! 

[scintilla]

 

I subscribe to the theory that his “everything will become clear” didn’t mean he would be the one explaining. I can see it easily being the same as “you’ll see”. A clear indication that whatever he’s about to do, it will be pretty self-evident. He doesn’t want Lavellan to completely understand, still. He clearly thinks that she would not support him (he isn’t wrong there), but what he needs to do is what it NEEDS to be done, despite even her condemnation of it. 

However, I don’t entirely see as her being separate of his objective. For all the talk about “his” people, I think he genuinely sees whatever he’s about to do as the only solution to the world’s problems that are affecting everyone, including her. (Blights, Mage pocession and imprisonment, elven slavery, etc fill in here the LONG list of everything that is going wrong with Thedas). 

 

I do think he somewhat sees her as a “distraction” though. It’s probably not the best term, and things are more complicated than that. But he once talked about how passion can make people give importance to things that aren’t so, how the wise give what people need and not what they want. I think Solas sees her somewhat as the death of his reasoning. It does after all, make him doubt. 

 

There are a couple of theories about why he feels the need to break it off. Personally, I'm guessing that whatever he's doing is something she won't understand and would very likely object to thus making him an antagonist if they ever meet again. I also think that's foreshadowed in his final line to any Inquisitor that he respected or cared for. That whatever happens next is going to be bad, from their perspective.

 

It could also be that for whatever reason, she literally could not follow wherever he was going. I don't like this idea but some people have suggested that he's keeping her separate from his plans to protect her and I can't find any reason this might not be the case. If you want to get really dark, it could be because he has to be willing to sacrifice her to achieve his ends.

 

I really don't know where to begin on what he thinks he's fixing other than his line about the People needing him and Cole's lines about people behind mirrors and when "everything sang the same."

[Doveberry]

There is this conversation from Buffy the Vampire Slayer that kept popping up in my head as something that might actually come up after a certain point in the Solas romance. It just seemed like such a Dorian thing to say, so I made a thing:

 

Bet he would, too. Dorian is a good and thoughtful friend.

 

Edit: Fixed a few details because I apparently wasn't paying attention while doodling this.

[vertigomez]

I always get the banter in the main hall instantly after the second Solas kiss (I may have replayed that... a few times) and I've always wondered how they catch on so quickly   It ends quite hilariously too.. "Careful... ears." "Indeed."

Wha- what's this, then? I must know.

Now that you said it... They really didn't hold back on the

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wolf = rebellion/noble struggle "hints". Fenris, his "rebellion" against Tevinter / Slavers, gets the Book of Shartan and is called "little wolf", as mentioned before.
Origins comes to mind, too: The City Elf Origin being my favorite Origin Story, I remember getting a dagger from Cyrion (City elf dad). Said dagger is called "Fang of Fen'Harel". The city elf fights against nobility (and later on comes back to kill slavers from Tevinter, what else?) to protect her/his people.
Shartan, also mentioned above, Felassan and Briala, Solas himself, duh.

 
It's actually rather fascinating.

I forgot about the Fang of Fen'Harel! That just makes the City Elf origin even moar glorious in my eyes. I didn't think that was possible.

I subscribe to the theory that his “everything will become clear” didn’t mean he would be the one explaining. I can see it easily being the same as “you’ll see”. A clear indication that whatever he’s about to do, it will be pretty self-evident. He doesn’t want Lavellan to completely understand, still. He clearly thinks that she would not support him (he isn’t wrong there), but what he needs to do is what it NEEDS to be done, despite even her condemnation of it. 
However, I don’t entirely see as her being separate of his objective. For all the talk about “his” people, I think he genuinely sees whatever he’s about to do as the only solution to the world’s problems that are affecting everyone, including her. (Blights, Mage pocession and imprisonment, elven slavery, etc fill in here the LONG list of everything that is going wrong with Thedas). 
 
I do think he somewhat sees her as a “distraction” though. It’s probably not the best term, and things are more complicated than that. But he once talked about how passion can make people give importance to things that aren’t so, how the wise give what people need and not what they want. I think Solas sees her somewhat as the death of his reasoning. It does after all, make him doubt.

Agreed that that's what he was going for. And he actually does say "you'll see" if you choose certain dialogue options during the vallaslin scene... I think it's the "we can do this together" option. And he'll respond, "No, we can't. You'll see." or something to that effect.

Very... ominous.

[Abelas]

@scintilla

 

It’s heavy speculation on my part on what he exactly even did in the first place, and the consequences of that act. We know that by now he thinks it was a mistake, and that he probably wants to un-do it. I also think he cares for more than just ancient elves, or even just elves in general. I think his reluctance to call elves “his people” might come from the obvious condescension that comes with labeling you in a group of people just because you are of the same race. They have various cultures; they are different from one another. However he did seem genuine in his desire for things to work out okay, even for them. 

 

But obviously, he's a man stuck in the past, he has a more clear connection to those that were his, that lived alongside him. 

 

(I suppose I can also aknowledge my bias, I think he's a moral/good person, and probably shape my theories around that.) 

 

Whatever is to come is not going to be good, though, I agree with you completely on that. 

 

I’m one of those people who think he hadn’t planned to break it off right then; that he knew he HAD to break it off eventually, but it was one of those plans you keep in the air and don’t make a real effort of it. By his expression it seemed he suddenly realized he was in too deep, to the point it might completely throw him off. I don’t think he broke it off just to protect her, or because he knew when she discovered who he was, she would want to break it off. He doesn’t exactly see himself as a god, after all. But before the orb broke, he wanted to use it for something. Now he’s looking for other ways to do that something. From the beginning he had this huge goal, this thing he HAS to do (his motivations are another huge discussion), and he doesn’t expect anyone to understand him and help him. That includes Lavellan; he almost says it word for word when we choose the “whatever you have to do we can do it together” break up line.