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[Avejajed]

There was a solas shirt? I WANT A SOLAS SHIRT.

[Avejajed]

There is this conversation from Buffy the Vampire Slayer that kept popping up in my head as something that might actually come up after a certain point in the Solas romance. It just seemed like such a Dorian thing to say, so I made a thing:

 

Bet he would, too. Dorian is a good and thoughtful friend.

 

For some reason I can't like this but ALL THE LIKES.

[SS7]

There is, too, the possibility that he knows Levellan would want to help, want to follow, but HER people need HER. There's much for the Inquisition to do, there are people depending on her. Especially if big things are coming and he knows it. Thus far, he'd shown nothing but respect for her cause and efforts. If he had told her the truth, well, it's just too big a barrel of ages old monkeys, isn't it? He's taken too many chances, made too many mistakes. Whether or not he is villainous in his plans, there are bigger things at stake than two people's hurt feelings.

[Mims]

There's also the possibility that whatever he has to do will cost him his life. Either because the gods enact vengeance, or as a catalyst for accomplishing whatever his plans are.

 

I do tend to side more with him being an antagonist, at least initially. The sense I get is that they'll set him up as a villain, maybe we can talk him down, then oops **** hits the fan anyways. 

[SS7]

I doubt it'll be as black and white as good guy/bad guy. And I may be disillusioning myself, but it's hard to believe he'd lead the Inquisition to Skyhold, support and help them grow, only to go off and do something that'll put them up against him. Yes, he needed them to defeat Corypheus and retrieve the orb (oops), but I struggle to believe he'd be that short sighted. 

[Avejajed]

Because honestly if I have to save Solas from a bunch of pissed off Gods I'll definitely be playing on casual.

[TwoWardens]

Wha- what's this, then? I must know.

 

I don't remember the exact wording, but I will try to record it later. The gossipers comment on the unexpected pairing and then express disappointment that it's not a noble affair/scandal, because, you know, Solas is so boring and ordinary. Hahahaha *sob*

[scintilla]

There is this conversation from Buffy the Vampire Slayer that kept popping up in my head as something that might actually come up after a certain point in the Solas romance. It just seemed like such a Dorian thing to say, so I made a thing:

 

Bet he would, too. Dorian is a good and thoughtful friend.

 

I have no likes and so many things I need to like.

 

I doubt it'll be as black and white as good guy/bad guy. And I may be disillusioning myself, but it's hard to believe he'd lead the Inquisition to Skyhold, support and help them grow, only to go off and do something that'll put them up against him. Yes, he needed them to defeat Corypheus and retrieve the orb (oops), but I struggle to believe he'd be that short sighted. 

 

An antagonist doesn't need to be evil or irredeemable, just in opposition to the protagonist. Also, he gave Corypheus the orb at all, which is short sighted. Whatever his plan to fix things before he went to sleep appears to have also been short sighted, given his complete horror at the results.

[SS7]

Exactly, but would he go through all that reparation, dropping hints everywhere that he's recognized his failings, his shortcomings, and pride, only to repeat? Maybe, I guess. But that'd be kind of boring, wouldn't it? We already know he's great at screwing up.

[scintilla]

Exactly, but would he go through all that reparation, dropping hints everywhere that he's recognized his failings, his shortcomings, and pride, only to repeat? Maybe, I guess. 

 

Yeah, actually he does kind of keep making the same mistakes. Because he's prideful even after making them. If it's true that he gave the orb to Corypheus because he didn't think a Tevinter magister could use it? That's the same pride that led to the first mistake. I don't think he's learned nearly as much as he claims he has.

[GrinningRogue]

I don't believe his card changes. If you romance him you get the hierophant, otherwise you have the hermit until he leaves at the end and you get the tower. 

 

Edit; Also, wow. Solas shirt is now completely sold out for ladies. We have spoken! 

So if you romance him, does it change to the tower in the end or does it stay as hierophant?

[Mims]

Solas understands his failings, but he's still rolling down that path again. I do think he needs someone to stop him, either by force or by words. Solas is still doing what Solas wants to do, when he wants to do it. I think a 'true' concession would be for him to take a step back and let someone else make the call. To actually trust. 

[scintilla]

Solas understands his failings, but he's still rolling down that path again. I do think he needs someone to stop him, either by force or by words. Solas is still doing what Solas wants to do, when he wants to do it. I think a 'true' concession would be for him to take a step back and let someone else make the call. To actually trust. 

 

Yes. This. So much this.

 

So if you romance him, does it change to the tower in the end or does it stay as hierophant?

 

It only changes to hierophant if he's romanced and you affirm the romance in the final scene. It stays that way forever after it changes.

[Abelas]

Exactly, but would he go through all that reparation, dropping hints everywhere that he's recognized his failings, his shortcomings, and pride, only to repeat? Maybe, I guess. But that'd be kind of boring, wouldn't it? We already know he's great at screwing up.

 

Speculation, again, but I recently had a discussion with a friend about that. I think that, for him, he hasn’t been proven wrong where it counts. He saw the arrogance of thinking that what he did was the answer, and yet fails to see the arrogance in thinking that he alone may hold a solution at all. Pride is his downfall. 

[SS7]

Yeah, actually he does kind of keep making the same mistakes. Because he's prideful even after making them. If it's true that he gave the orb to Corypheus because he didn't think a Tevinter magister could use it? That's the same pride that led to the first mistake. I don't think he's learned nearly as much as he claims he has.

 

Fair enough, but I think him doing something properly would be more interesting. If he does what's expected and screws up, he's effectively learned nothing from his time with the Inquisition or with his Levellan, and he remains an unchanged character. That would disappoint me. In any case, this speaks to personal taste and is only my insignificant opinion.

 

Also, I'm not implying he hasn't fallen down a redundant path, or that he's suddenly shed his faults and become a perfect circle. I'm just saying that it'd be feel too obvious to have him be in direct opposition to the Inquisitor. 

[GloriousDame]

There is, too, the possibility that he knows Levellan would want to help, want to follow, but HER people need HER. There's much for the Inquisition to do, there are people depending on her. Especially if big things are coming and he knows it. Thus far, he'd shown nothing but respect for her cause and efforts. If he had told her the truth, well, it's just too big a barrel of ages old monkeys, isn't it? He's taken too many chances, made too many mistakes. Whether or not he is villainous in his plans, there are bigger things at stake than two people's hurt feelings.

I keep arguring that he wants to protect Lavellan from whatever he's going to have to do, whether from himself or from whatever is going to happen, and he sees that the best way to accomplish this is by not involving her, by putting distance between them so she hopefully moves on... Especially with that last line before he disappears--he looks so pained, not just by the broken orb, or maybe because of it, because the artifact's shattered fragments means that he definitely has to take a more dangerous path and thus he want to protect her.

 

There's also the possibility that whatever he has to do will cost him his life. Either because the gods enact vengeance, or as a catalyst for accomplishing whatever his plans are.

I can see this as being one of the reasons he's constantly fighting with himself in regards to having a relationship with our Inquisitor (little head shakes, saying outright that this isn't a good idea)

[Abelas]

Solas understands his failings, but he's still rolling down that path again. I do think he needs someone to stop him, either by force or by words. Solas is still doing what Solas wants to do, when he wants to do it. I think a 'true' concession would be for him to take a step back and let someone else make the call. To actually trust. 

 

Pretty much. It does seem to all point that way. The wise must give the people what they need, whatever is worth accomplished needs to be accomplished alone, never trust anyone, only allies can betray you, this path I must walk in solitude. Even his fear of dying alone points to it, I mean, he does have a pretty good reason to fear that, he's bringing it on himself. Solas thinks he holds the answer, that he must keep trying. He fails to consult the people he is trying to help. 

 

Risking this getting too personal, I do believe that change is not something that can just be given, and that wanting to help despite what the people you are helping want smells of condescension. I think he’s wrong. I think the way is forward and involving everyone it affects. 

 

Fair enough, but I think him doing something properly would be more interesting. If he does what's expected and screws up, he's effectively learned nothing from his time with the Inquisition or with his Levellan, and he remains an unchanged character. That would disappoint me. In any case, this speaks to personal taste and is only my insignificant opinion.

 

When you have low approval with him he talks about being proven right. He gets even more set on his ways. When you manage to impress him, you cause in him doubt. That’s his change. (Arguably not small, considering how much he has seen and who he is.) His arc isn’t complete, probably barely has started. It’s possible he may not change at all. But I think this doubt you can cause can be the first step for him to finally understand where his error lies. 

[Patchwork]

Fair enough, but I think him doing something properly would be more interesting. If he does what's expected and screws up, he's effectively learned nothing from his time with the Inquisition or with his Levellan, and he remains an unchanged character. That would disappoint me. In any case, this speaks to personal taste and is only my insignificant opinion.

 

What we've seen so far is Fen'Harel making big decisions alone and them backfiring on him. Wolf Hunt could have him get it right because he asks for help and a group changes Thedas for the better. 

[zambixi]

There was a solas shirt? I WANT A SOLAS SHIRT.

 

It was sold out in my size literally hours after it went up. I checked the website before work - no shirt. I checked afterwards - sold out shirt. I wish BW would let us back-order or send me a notification if/when it comes back in stock.

 

 

There's also the possibility that whatever he has to do will cost him his life. Either because the gods enact vengeance, or as a catalyst for accomplishing whatever his plans are.

 

I do tend to side more with him being an antagonist, at least initially. The sense I get is that they'll set him up as a villain, maybe we can talk him down, then oops **** hits the fan anyways. 

 

This. I'm having trouble thinking of things that Solas would say Lavellan can't do, but dying is one of them. I mean, girl can walk bodily in the Fade, waking up some creators would seem like NBD to me. And if whatever he's doing is going to have dire consequences, I'd assume he'd want to be with Lavellan to protect her, rather than leaving her on her own to possibly die or get hurt in the chaos. But, if whatever he's doing requires him to die then..I can see it.

 

I also think we'll see him as an antagonist. If I'm completely honest, I'd love to see BW  write him in such a way that he appears as either an antagonist or an anti-hero depending on your view/Quizzie. I might be in the minority, but I am all aboard the bring-down-the-Veil train. The way Solas describes it, that sounds like a GREAT idea. Bringing back the old gods sounds like less of a great idea, but Solas already convinced me on one front so why not?

 

Anyway, I also agree that even if you can talk him down, the end result will be the same.

 

 

 

 

Pretty much. It does seem to all point that way. The wise must give the people what they need, whatever is worth accomplished needs to be accomplished alone, never trust anyone, only allies can betray you, this path I must walk in solitude. Even his fear of dying alone points to it, I mean, he does have a pretty good reason to fear that, he's bringing it on himself. Solas thinks he holds the answer, that he must keep trying. He fails to consult the people he is trying to help. 

 

Risking this getting too personal, I do believe that change is not something that can just be given, and that wanting to help despite what the people you are helping want smells of condescension. I think he’s wrong. I think the way is forward and involving everyone it affects. 

 

 

When you have low approval with him he talks about being proven right. He gets even more set on his ways. When you manage to impress him, you cause in him doubt. That’s his change. (Arguably not small, considering how much he has seen and who he is.) His arc isn’t complete, probably barely has started. It’s possible he may not change at all. But I think this doubt you can cause can be the first step for him to finally understand where his error lies. 

 

 

I agree: his story arc is so incomplete. Patrick Weekes is such a good writer that I can't imagine Solas will remain a static character. And he's becoming hugely popular. It's not like they haven't dropped-the-ball on popular characters before, but I think BW is one of the companies most open to listening to their fans' opinions.

 

Also guys I'm super sad because the XB One patch is delayyyyed. I want to get started on completionist playthrough Solas romance #2!!

[Abelas]

Ahaha, I mean, there’s no reason why the reason why he needs to break it off aren’t ALL of the reasons above. He probably has a million reasons NOT to be involved with Lavellan. If he had made a pros/cons list about getting romantically involved with her, the cons would be pages and pages, and the pros would just be “but I really want to.” 

[scintilla]

 

 

Pretty much. It does seem to all point that way. The wise must give the people what they need, whatever is worth accomplished needs to be accomplished alone, never trust anyone, only allies can betray you, this path I must walk in solitude. Even his fear of dying alone points to it, I mean, he does have a pretty good reason to fear that, he's bringing it on himself. Solas thinks he holds the answer, that he must keep trying. He fails to consult the people he is trying to help. 

 

Risking this getting too personal, I do believe that change is not something that can just be given, and that wanting to help despite what the people you are helping want smells of condescension. I think he’s wrong. I think the way is forward and involving everyone it affects. 

 

When you have low approval with him he talks about being proven right. He gets even more set on his ways. When you manage to impress him, you cause in him doubt. That’s his change. (Arguably not small, considering how much he has seen and who he is.) His arc isn’t complete, probably barely has started. It’s possible he may not change at all. But I think this doubt you can cause can be the first step for him to finally understand where his error lies. 

 

 

I'm out of likes but I agree very much with the bolded part. He's still making decisions about the state of the world on his own and yeah, it's super condescending that only he knows what's good and right.

[zambixi]

Ahaha, I mean, there’s no reason why the reason why he needs to break it off aren’t ALL of the reasons above. He probably has a million reasons NOT to be involved with Lavellan. If he had made a pros/cons list about getting romantically involved with her, the cons would be pages and pages, and the pros would just be “but I really want to.” 

 

She also has the anchor. I'd find it super-interesting if there were actually many reasons why he should stay with her (i.e. many ways he could use her to achieve his goals), but very few to stay romantically involved with her. He can either love her and break up with her, or remain with her and exploit her. That's probably just headcanon though; we'll see how important her non-romantic self is in the future I'm sure ^^;;

[Avejajed]

It was sold out in my size literally hours after it went up. I checked the website before work - no shirt. I checked afterwards - sold out shirt. I wish BW would let us back-order or send me a notification if/when it comes back in stock.

 

 

 

This. I'm having trouble thinking of things that Solas would say Lavellan can't do, but dying is one of them. I mean, girl can walk bodily in the Fade, waking up some creators would seem like NBD to me. And if whatever he's doing is going to have dire consequences, I'd assume he'd want to be with Lavellan to protect her, rather than leaving her on her own to possibly die or get hurt in the chaos. But, if whatever he's doing requires him to die then..I can see it.

 

I also think we'll see him as an antagonist. If I'm completely honest, I'd love to see BW  write him in such a way that he appears as either an antagonist or an anti-hero depending on your view/Quizzie. I might be in the minority, but I am all aboard the bring-down-the-Veil train. The way Solas describes it, that sounds like a GREAT idea. Bringing back the old gods sounds like less of a great idea, but Solas already convinced me on one front so why not?

 

Anyway, I also agree that even if you can talk him down, the end result will be the same.

 

 

 

I agree: his story arc is so incomplete. Patrick Weekes is such a good writer that I can't imagine Solas will remain a static character. And he's becoming hugely popular. It's not like they haven't dropped-the-ball on popular characters before, but I think BW is one of the companies most open to listening to their fans' opinions.

 

Also guys I'm super sad because the XB One patch is delayyyyed. I want to get started on completionist playthrough Solas romance #2!!

 

It's delayed? WHY? NO.

 

I play on xbox one too, can we be friends?

 

Also, now I'm trolling for wolf pendants on etsy. I need help.

[SS7]

Not to risk a repeat of the chaos that ensued after a well known 'all the same in the end' ending, I'm expecting we'll see two (or more?) very different results. 

[Mims]

I too am out of likes. I thought people were joking when they said that. Apparently I like too much. 

 

But I absolutely agree change is not something that can be given. Look at what happened to the ancient elves. Solas, if we are correct on our assumptions, thought that a bunch of slaves and mortals could govern an extremely advanced civilization on their own. He was free, and intelligent. In his mind, it makes sense. Remove the gods, the people will reorganize, leaders will emerge.

 

Except none of these people had ever been free before. They had never been without the control of their gods. Its like a parent leaving a bunch of five year olds home alone because they were able to cook a tv dinner this one time. Rather than let the rebellion come organically, he forced it upon the people. And everything fell apart.