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[Kulyok]

Lost here: a hundred pages ago or so there was a beautiful smutty piece of fanart with Solas and Lavellan doing it in the water (both naked and all). I've been perusing for hours, but couldn't find it(and not in the first posts, either). Help?

[Abelas]

She also has the anchor. I'd find it super-interesting if there were actually many reasons why he should stay with her (i.e. many ways he could use her to achieve his goals), but very few to stay romantically involved with her. He can either love her and break up with her, or remain with her and exploit her. That's probably just headcanon though; we'll see how important her non-romantic self is in the future I'm sure ^^;;

 

Personally, I think there are a LOT of reasons why he should allow other people to know him better and even get emotionally attatched to them. I don't see his love for her as a weakness, and it's perhaps one of the best things that have happened to him to at least start doubting his plans and conclusions. I don't think he sees it that way, though. Not yet, at least. 

 

Also the mental image of those two lists was just funny. 

[GloriousDame]

It's delayed? WHY? NO.

 

I play on xbox one too, can we be friends?

 

Also, now I'm trolling for wolf pendants on etsy. I need help.

Also on Xbox one--I just hope the patch isn't delayed too much...

 

I did the same thing (looking for fake wolf jaw pendants).... The only help I want in this regard is to find a nice necklace that looks Solas-y, hahahaha

 

She also has the anchor. I'd find it super-interesting if there were actually many reasons why he should stay with her (i.e. many ways he could use her to achieve his goals), but very few to stay romantically involved with her. He can either love her and break up with her, or remain with her and exploit her. That's probably just headcanon though; we'll see how important her non-romantic self is in the future I'm sure ^^;;

This. So much this. He wants to protect her from himself for various reasons, and I'm sticking to that (with a box of tissues handy) .

[Mims]

Actually, on the subject of the wolf pendants. 

 

People generally have two options. You could get a real bone necklace, but I imagine some people may have objections to that. But this sort of thing would be ridiculously easy to 3D print out with the correct model. In fact...I might even be able to make one at some point in the far future. Someone better can probably beat me to it!

 

All someone would need to do is upload it to a site like shapeways. Then, when you get it, paint it a nice brownish black. Drill a leather cord into it. ??? Instant bling. I wouldn't wait on bioware releasing one, just because the necklaces they currently have seem outrageously overpriced. 

[scintilla]

Personally, I think there are a LOT of reasons why he should allow other people to know him better and even get emotionally attatched to them. I don't see his love for her as a weakness, and it's perhaps one of the best things that have happened to him to at least start doubting his plans and conclusions. I don't think he sees it that way, though. Not yet, at least. 

 

Also the mental image of those two lists was just funny. 

 

Solas needs to trust, a support network, and therapy.

 

Solas does not need to make world altering decisions on his own.

[Patchwork]

I too am out of likes. I thought people were joking when they said that. Apparently I like too much. 

 

But I absolutely agree change is not something that can be given. Look at what happened to the ancient elves. Solas, if we are correct on our assumptions, thought that a bunch of slaves and mortals could govern an extremely advanced civilization on their own. He was free, and intelligent. In his mind, it makes sense. Remove the gods, the people will reorganize, leaders will emerge.

 

Except none of these people had ever been free before. They had never been without the control of their gods. Its like a parent leaving a bunch of five year olds home alone because they were able to cook a tv dinner this one time. Rather than let the rebellion come organically, he forced it upon the people. And everything fell apart. 

 

Were the slave elves mortal? I thought that only happened after the imprisonment and the Veil was put into place. 

[Mims]

That I'm not sure. I'll admit, I am just using the term mortal just to make a distinction between Solas and his peers, and the rest of the elves. 

[GloriousDame]

Actually, on the subject of the wolf pendants. 

 

People generally have two options. You could get a real bone necklace, but I imagine some people may have objections to that. But this sort of thing would be ridiculously easy to 3D print out with the correct model. In fact...I might even be able to make one at some point in the far future. Someone better can probably beat me to it!

 

All someone would need to do is upload it to a site like shapeways. Then, when you get it, paint it a nice brownish black. Drill a leather cord into it. ??? Instant bling. I wouldn't wait on bioware releasing one, just because the necklaces they currently have seem outrageously overpriced. 

If you decide to go through with making one, sign me up!

[Patchwork]

Okay then

 

I am curious about what Solas' original plan was with Cory and/or the foci. 

[Mims]

I am absolutely swamped with work at the moment, probably all the way into January. But if no one has tackled it by then, I'll absolutely be happy to take it on and release it to the public. Its possible someone could even extract the exact model from the game, if it is not directly attached to his clothing mesh. It may not be high quality enough to make anything worthwhile with it though. 

[kalasaurus]

One last note for extra feels:  keep in mind that it's entirely possible a good chunk of his desperation to take down the veil at this point is to restore Lavellan's 'lost' immortality.   Otherwise, his connection with you is like a firefly at night: a beautiful, sparkling light for the briefest moment, and then- darkness again.  

 

Forever.

 

Wheeeeeee.

 

Ok, that's a really touching thought.

 

Headcanon accepted 

[Arahnea]

I'll see if I can give the jawbone a try this weekend in 3ds Max

[Kulyok]

I'm having an unpleasant thought that the only option for Lavellan's immortality would be uthenera. And then someone would slit her throat, like in the Masked Empire. And, of course, Solas would be furious, but...

[Mims]

I'll see if I can give the jawbone a try this weekend in 3ds Max

 

That would be awesome! My likes are with you in spirit.

 

That's an interesting thought though. I don't know if Solas intends to restore immortality for the sake of Lavellan...but from a gameplay perspective, that would be a huge change that they could accomplish in the lore, without having to actually change anything beyond some dialogue in future games. DA does like huge changes. But some of them are harder to implement than others. 

 

If for some reason we have the choice to restore elven immortality, that's a massive change that doesn't actually require a ton of game work. 

[kalasaurus]

I'm having an unpleasant thought that the only option for Lavellan's immortality would be uthenera. And then someone would slit her throat, like in the Masked Empire. And, of course, Solas would be furious, but...

 

I thought about Lavellan being burned at the stake, you know, cementing all the comparisons to Andraste that Giselle's been making >.>... And then, will Solas save her unlike the Maker did?

 

dun dun dun

[Sylvanfeather]

I doubt it'll be as black and white as good guy/bad guy. And I may be disillusioning myself, but it's hard to believe he'd lead the Inquisition to Skyhold, support and help them grow, only to go off and do something that'll put them up against him. Yes, he needed them to defeat Corypheus and retrieve the orb (oops), but I struggle to believe he'd be that short sighted. 

 

I'm biased toward Solas being the good guy, or very least better guy. However, to play devil's advocate for a moment, I sometimes have suspicions about his motives for leading the Inquisition to Skyhold.

 

Later in the game, we find out it's built on ancient elven ruins. Did he personally need to direct the group there to find something specific - either physically or in the Fade? The most obvious explanation is he knew about it, it was conveniently located, and it was empty. But I still sometimes wonder if our Dreamer needed to explore the ruins to retrieve something...

[SS7]

I'm biased toward Solas being the good guy, or very least better guy. However, to play devil's advocate for a moment, I sometimes have suspicions about his motives for leading the Inquisition to Skyhold.
 
Later in the game, we find out it's built on ancient elven ruins. Did he personally need to direct the group there to find something specific - either physically or in the Fade? The most obvious explanation is he knew about it, it was conveniently located, and it was empty. But I still sometimes wonder if our Dreamer needed to explore the ruins to retrieve something...

I definitely think there are layers. Most people have more than one reason for doing most things. Interesting thought about retrieving something!

[RynJ]

I'm biased toward Solas being the good guy, or very least better guy. However, to play devil's advocate for a moment, I sometimes have suspicions about his motives for leading the Inquisition to Skyhold.

 

Later in the game, we find out it's built on ancient elven ruins. Did he personally need to direct the group there to find something specific - either physically or in the Fade? The most obvious explanation is he knew about it, it was conveniently located, and it was empty. But I still sometimes wonder if our Dreamer needed to explore the ruins to retrieve something...

 

I think he just knew about it and knew that there was a power within its walls that would be of benefit to the Inquisition. I don't think he needed something specifically that was there or that probably would have been hinted a little more. It's entirely possible that he'll pop into a DLC like "oh yeah I needed ____ from Skyhold" but I'm leaning towards that not being the case. Just like I don't think those ancient elven artifacts are some sketchy thing he's doing, because activating them is completely optional.

 

Though it's perfectly valid to assume that everything Solas does has some ulterior motive. 

[Patchwork]

He could have gone to Skyhold without bring the Inquisition along and searching would be a lot easier without people getting in the way and wondering what he's up to. IMO he felt guilty and offered the castle as a way to soothe his conscience, he stuck around for the same reason. I don't think his caring for the quizzy while they were unconscious was without selfish motivation -if he could have pulled the anchor out he would have.  

 

I believe Skyhold or the grounds it stands on were once his and he literally gives it away to the Inquisition or more specifically the Inquisitor. 

[Addai]

I'm biased toward Solas being the good guy, or very least better guy. However, to play devil's advocate for a moment, I sometimes have suspicions about his motives for leading the Inquisition to Skyhold.

 

Later in the game, we find out it's built on ancient elven ruins. Did he personally need to direct the group there to find something specific - either physically or in the Fade? The most obvious explanation is he knew about it, it was conveniently located, and it was empty. But I still sometimes wonder if our Dreamer needed to explore the ruins to retrieve something...

I think it's both/and. He wants to stop Corypheus, but reclaiming the place that holds back the sky probably figures into his larger plans, too- or could. The reason I think this is that when the Inquisitor first sees Skyhold, there's a shot of his face as she moves past and his expression turns sharp, stern. You could see it as sinister if you were of a mind. I think he was definitely calculating here. Much as I like the character, he's manipulative every step of the way.

[zambixi]

It's delayed? WHY? NO.

 

I play on xbox one too, can we be friends?

 

Also, now I'm trolling for wolf pendants on etsy. I need help.

 

I know I was really sad about it. Hopefully it comes out in a few days.....Probably right around when I'm supposed to be writing my final paper (I could write it now but...nah). At least we're supposed to get DLC first right? And a screenshot feature in 2015 (can't wait...getting screens now is such a huge pain).

 

But yes we can be friends! FFR my username is the same across almost all platforms and I always welcome new friends. We don't even have to talk about Solas -- I have other interests I swear (maybe).

 

If you stumble across a jawbone necklace lemme know.

 

 

Personally, I think there are a LOT of reasons why he should allow other people to know him better and even get emotionally attatched to them. I don't see his love for her as a weakness, and it's perhaps one of the best things that have happened to him to at least start doubting his plans and conclusions. I don't think he sees it that way, though. Not yet, at least. 

 

Also the mental image of those two lists was just funny. 

 

There's a huge gap between what I think is good for Solas and what he seems to think is good for him. But to be fair, I haven't been repeatedly betrayed by the people I love and respect like he (apparently) has been. I get why he might not trust Lavellan given his whole distrust of groups. His plans never work out, he's not used to things going his way; the idea that Lavellan could actually trust and help him achieve his goals (the same ends but not necessarily the same means) is probably a thought too good for him to allow himself.

 

 

Were the slave elves mortal? I thought that only happened after the imprisonment and the Veil was put into place. 

 

They were immortal from what I can tell. I wonder about this: if maybe they were immortal but unable to enter uthenara like the higher castes? So they had to be eternal slaves while the Dreamers went to frolic in the Fade? I don't know. I'm having a difficult time grasping how populations worked when everyone lived forever.

 

 

I thought about Lavellan being burned at the stake, you know, cementing all the comparisons to Andraste that Giselle's been making >.>... And then, will Solas save her unlike the Maker did?

 

dun dun dun

 

I like it and I don't. I really want Lavellan to be Solas' equal; I don't want him to go around having to save her all the time. It would be great if she were betrayed by someone in the Inner Circle though (Sorry Lavellan). I'm all about the parallels that don't involve death-by-fire or saving-the-princess kind of deals.

 

 

I'm biased toward Solas being the good guy, or very least better guy. However, to play devil's advocate for a moment, I sometimes have suspicions about his motives for leading the Inquisition to Skyhold.

 

Later in the game, we find out it's built on ancient elven ruins. Did he personally need to direct the group there to find something specific - either physically or in the Fade? The most obvious explanation is he knew about it, it was conveniently located, and it was empty. But I still sometimes wonder if our Dreamer needed to explore the ruins to retrieve something...

 

Yeah rose-colored glasses club! I feel like I'm going through the stages of grief or something and am still in denial. I'm hoping that his apparent over-confidence and condescending nature comes from genuinely knowing what would be better, rather than just thinking he knows something will be better. Sure it's still patronizing as all get-out to go through with the plan without explaining, but at least it's OK if he's right.

 

I suspect he knows what Skyhold was. I'm plugging my theory that it's connected to Falon'Din again while I'm at it. It seems to have some special protective powers that prevent Coryphefish from attacking, and at least during DA:I I think that's what's most important/why Solas leads them there. For the future...? I think there's a reason this is one of the few BW games where you can't destroy the final stronghold.

[Yofi]

Later in the game, we find out it's built on ancient elven ruins. Did he personally need to direct the group there to find something specific - either physically or in the Fade? The most obvious explanation is he knew about it, it was conveniently located, and it was empty. But I still sometimes wonder if our Dreamer needed to explore the ruins to retrieve something...

 

I don't think there was anything to retrieve - 'cause everything was broken, and the place was pretty empty. 

Personaly I believe that Solas had some connection to the place. Remember "elven skirmish" he discussed with Blackwall? In Skyhold there is an arrow on the roof near the garden, and there is some codex page about bloody history of this place. Maybe Solas has something to do with that?

[Birdy]

So, it's been going through my head, the vallaslin, it uses blood and ink.  I wonder if they worked just like slave collars and the ancient elves used blood magic on them, that "activated" the marks.

[Patchwork]

 

 

They were immortal from what I can tell. I wonder about this: if maybe they were immortal but unable to enter uthenara like the higher castes? So they had to be eternal slaves while the Dreamers went to frolic in the Fade? I don't know. I'm having a difficult time grasping how populations worked when everyone lived forever.

 

 

Tevinter learnt from the best, the Creators were the most powerful, immortal magic users of the time or any time and everyone else had no choice but to serve them.   

[Countess Cutlass]

So... Sorry to barge in the thread. I'm about to roll my second play though -- a female dalish mage, and I was planning on romancing Solas.  BUT...

 

Spoiler

On a scale of the Remigold to the Ultimate Sacrifice, how emotionally crushing is the romance?  Does it feel satisfying?  Complete?  Is there emotional catharsis and resolution, at least?  Or does it all feel awful and soul-crushing and unresolved?  I can handle the sadness if it's narratively satisfying, but I just want to prepare myself going in if there's frustration and disappointment.  

 

Also, does he have a decent chunk of romance content?  i just came off of romancing Cullen, who had a TON it felt like, so I'm just curious.  I'm assuming, as well, that a romanced Solas is less of mystery cipher than when he goes unromanced.  In my previous play through, I never felt like I understood him/got close to him, despite chatting him up all the time.  Is there more dialogue and insight with the romance?

 

I've been trying to gauge the romance based on the replies here and I'm still not sure what it's like.  Sorry if this is a redundant/annoying question!