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[Vylix]

I must have a black heart. Although I am totally in love with the romance, I don't really feel...hurt by it? I am on board with the excitement to see where the story leads. Absolutely thrilled. I guess I don't really connect so strongly with 'my' character in games. Even though I am picking the responses, and I love to think about my character outside the game, I don't really see her as mine. She's like another character in this story.

I get too much in the headspace of my character and can get way too into it.

Tabletop RPGs are a blast because of this though.

 

I'm curious.  How many Solassians allowed him to remove their markings?  I turned his offer down due to believing that, whatever they meant in the past, they mean something else now.

First two characters I removed them. The first one because I was playing in a more merrill mindset of a keeper's second that felt isolated from the clan due to her role in it. As I played she moved further and further away from feeling kinship with the Dalish. The second was a very knowledge based character interested in knowing everything and in the elves of old, but through her own research.

My third character though? If she was romancing Solas she'd keep them. ELVEN GLORY, HUNTER PRIDE and all that jazz.

[Mims]

I'm curious.  How many Solassians allowed him to remove their markings?  I turned his offer down due to believing that, whatever they meant in the past, they mean something else now.

 

My Lavellan turned him down for the same reason. She's a proud woman. Learning that they might have once been slave markings means nothing to her. She's no slave. In fact, it probably emboldens her further. 

 

A lot has changed in her life. Her horizons have broadened. She's willing to accept that her gods might not even be gods at all, and that her people were wrong about many things. But that doesn't change her love for the Dalish, and her sense of pride in who she is and where she came from. Solas thinking she is an exception to the rule is probably the thing that threatens her relationship more than anything. 

[BubbleDncr]

I couldn't imagine trying to justify that to your Clan.  Maybe before she knew who he was, but the second she finds out that he was Fen'harel I can see her wondering if this was only another sick trick of the Dread Wolf.  Let's pretend that Lavellan doesn't think this, but her Clan will.  All of the modern Elvhen would turn against her and Fen'harel and any truth they tried to bring to them would be lost in the cries of "traitor".

 

Even if she finds out who Solas is, the world can never do so.  There is far too much myth and hatred towards Fen'harel. 

 

In my head-cannon, by Lavellan didn't like how most of the Dalish thought. She wanted to reunite her people (Dalish and City Elves), and saw working, united, for a better future as the best thing they could do.

 

So when Cassandra asked what it was like living with my clan, I was like, "I hated it." And when Solas asked if he had misjudged the Dalish, I was like, "meh, not really."

 

My only hesitance with removing my tattoos was a fear of what I'd look like without them.

 

So, if/when my Lavellan finds out the truth about Solas, she'll keep an open mind towards everything he tells her. And if other Dalish start calling her a traitor so something, she'll be like, "**** you, this is why you don't have nice things"

 

I'm curious.  How many Solassians allowed him to remove their markings?  I turned his offer down due to believing that, whatever they meant in the past, they mean something else now.

 

I removed them, for the reasons above.

[MoonDrummer]

I'm curious. How many Solassians allowed him to remove their markings? I turned his offer down due to believing that, whatever they meant in the past, they mean something else now.

I turned him down because I think they look cool

[Brelakor]

I'm curious.  How many Solassians allowed him to remove their markings?  I turned his offer down due to believing that, whatever they meant in the past, they mean something else now.

I chose to remove it for my Lavellan because I pretend that she never really fit in with her clan to begin with, kind of always a pariah or something like Merrill. So because of that she was really susceptible to the things Solas tells her about the elves I also pretended that her clan basically disowned her after the Conclave...

[_Lucinia]

I must have a black heart. Although I am totally in love with the romance, I don't really feel...hurt by it? I am on board with the excitement to see where the story leads. Absolutely thrilled. I guess I don't really connect so strongly with 'my' character in games. Even though I am picking the responses, and I love to think about my character outside the game, I don't really see her as mine. She's like another character in this story.

Must be nice!  I get really caught up in the stories BioWare tells.  I don't necessarily play my protagonist as a self-insert or extension of myself.  But I do get very swept away.  I don't know if it's because Alix voices my Inquisitor, and I already have an attachment to her voice because I adored Samantha Traynor, but I really, really love my Inquisitor.  It's not just the romance, I care about Solas as a character.  

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The heart stomping sucked, but that final scene terrified me.  My first pessimistic interpretation of it had me thinking that was the end of him as we know it.  And I had anxiety for days afterwards.  (So silly, it's just pixels!)  I love Flemmeth.  She's been one of my fave things about Dragon Age.  But I really thought she took over Solas.  And I couldn't handle it.  As much as I love Flemmeth, my best case scenario is that Solas is still Solas.  I can deal with him killing? Flemmeth (sucks cuz I love her) but thinking that Solas is gone.  Ugggggh.  I'm more optimistic now.  But those first few days after finishing the game were agony.

 Blah blah blah, I envy that you're not hurt by it! lol

[Birdy]

I let Solas remove them because he wanted to.  >.>

But as the First, learning more about the People and taking care of the clan, removing slave markings and teaching them what they really mean would be a duty.

[Cosmia]

I removed them b/c at that point basically all of her clan was dead :/ In my HC she was already somewhat distant from her clan due to events that happened in her adolescence, and this estrangement was only made more apparent as the Inquisition moved forward. By the end of the game her entire identity has been hugely and irrevocably changed, and the removal of her tattoos was a physical reminder of this. Sad baby Sadie :'(

[Cheerios789]

This is what I think of for happy, badass, together Solavellan.  Which I'm still holding out for, even while I'm bracing for a second round of tears.

 

 

 

You know that book Varric talks about writing?  My Lavellan's going to spin off of that idea and write down everything she's learned about the People, complete with maps and location samples if she can get them.  All the lore you learn in DA:I, all the revelations--that includes Fen'Harel and her relationship with him.  

 

Then she's going to take the big old book of elven bombshells, get copies of it made, and get it into the hands of every Dalish clan she encounters.  Though she'll probably start with the friendlier and more open minded clans like her own.  As far as she's concerned, the truth is more important than her hurt feelings over Solas or the pride of the Dalish.  

 

As much as I believe that the truth is important.  Is it?

 

I mean is it truly important? 

 

Most of the Dalish live their lives and take no small amount of pride that they are preserving some part of their heritage in doing so.  If Lavellan comes along and removes that from them, what would they have left?  They have no land or wealth or any kind of power left to them.  All they have are misremembered stories.  I do not think there is any hope of the elves reclaiming any of the power they have lost.  Some major would have to happen.  I suppose the Inquisitor could show bias towards her people and lead them to another golden age, but that seems highly unlikely.  If the humans thought they would have to deal with another "elvhen rebellion/rise in power" the nations of Thedas would rise together and put a stop to it.  There is so much blatant racism towards the elves.

 

I would love ideas on how to correct that though.  I just don't think the "truth" will help them.  The truth doesn't matter to the elves or Thedas.  The only thing that matters is the present and the present needs to be changed.  The elves need to move forward and they need a strong political leader to do so.  *cough* LavellanandSolas *cough*

 

Freedom for the Elves!

 

Alright I'm done now.

[RynJ]

I let Solas remove them because they felt like a tribute to the Dalish's pointless clinging to past they don't even know. Basically, Solas wouldn't like Cari's real reasons for letting him take them off because it's a way of rejecting the obsession with the past. 

[kalasaurus]

I removed them for story purposes- I just really like the scene and how intimate the act is.  I'll do it again with my new Lavellan.  I made her vallaslin bolder too, for the striking difference once they're gone:

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[zambixi]

Heh. I've actually been recommending his romance to all of my friends. It made me like Dragon Age as a setting significantly more than I did before. I actually feel like part of all the lore now.

And whoa, Solas is only a few votes away from the top spot in the romance poll!

 

Me too. I'm having a heck of a time convincing my guy-friends to play a female elf PC (and then to not romance Sera). I can't really blame them since I almost never make male-PCs but still they don't know what they're missing out on!

 

I must have a black heart. Although I am totally in love with the romance, I don't really feel...hurt by it? I am on board with the excitement to see where the story leads. Absolutely thrilled. I guess I don't really connect so strongly with 'my' character in games. Even though I am picking the responses, and I love to think about my character outside the game, I don't really see her as mine. She's like another character in this story.

 

I get super-involved. I have the same problem with books. I pretty much can't read tragedy except over weekends because I need time to disentangle myself from the story. In a few months/weeks though it will be mostly excitement about what's coming next.

 

 

I'm curious.  How many Solassians allowed him to remove their markings?  I turned his offer down due to believing that, whatever they meant in the past, they mean something else now.

 

I did. I'm personally not one for ah..reclaiming symbols of oppression. Plus I thought my Lavellan would not longer be thinking of herself as Dalish by that time. Her clan was dead, she'd learned a ton that they got wrong, and had seen the struggles that the elves and non-elves faced outside of her clan (I headcanon that she writes to Briala and they talk about how the Inquisition can help the elves in Orlais). She sees the marks not only as Solas does - reminders of slavery - but as putting her against the rest of the People.

 

So how would everyone's Lavellan explain their lack of vallaslin to other Dalish (if yours chose to do so?) 

 

"Funny story, my ex-love Fen'Harel told me these Incredibly Culturally Important Tattoos were actually slave markings so he removed them with magic and then dumped me 30 seconds later."

 

I don't know that she'd say where they came from xD. Hey this free-spirit-apostate-hobo-flat-ear told me these were slave markings and then he dumped me and then he left and btw he lied about his past and took all my great mage gear with him.

 

Better to say she found it while exploring the ruins, or heard about it from Corypheus (doesn't he point them out as slave markings?).

 

 

Its such a meaningful choice from Lavellan pov as well as from the player's pov (since where in on the FenHarel part). 

 

I mean whe was the last time a romance had such a character defining moment in it?

 

Morrigan and the ritual? Anders and the Chantry blowup? Those were not remance restricted. 

There must be something im missing ...

 

Don't think so. The closest you get really is that companions in DA:2 change their outfits a little. We're in our own special little world gettin' the Vallasline scene. It almost makes up for the tragedy.

[amranthe]

I also wonder if it wasn't that scene after Haven was destroyed where the wolves guide you forward to where the Inquisition has camped. The first time I went through that level I thought I was going to be attacked, on my second run after knowing what Solas is I had to wonder if he wasn't using some method to guide them to safety. As how else would they have found the Inquisition in that mess of a blizzard?

 

Sorry to bring up old posts, I hope it's okay but I read a few pages and didn't see this answered... when did wolves guide you from Haven? That never happened for me and I am incredibly jealous.

 

When my inq left Haven she just wanders out into the cold, walking incredibly slow. I think I might have heard wolves howling, maybe? But just assumed it was ambiance. Is that what you are referring to, or did you actually *see* wolves?

[MoonDrummer]

In my head-cannon, by Lavellan didn't like how most of the Dalish thought. She wanted to reunite her people (Dalish and City Elves), and saw working, united, for a better future as the best thing they could do.

So when Cassandra asked what it was like living with my clan, I was like, "I hated it." And when Solas asked if he had misjudged the Dalish, I was like, "meh, not really."

My only hesitance with removing my tattoos was a fear of what I'd look like without them.

So, if/when my Lavellan finds out the truth about Solas, she'll keep an open mind towards everything he tells her. And if other Dalish start calling her a traitor so something, she'll be like, "**** you, this is why you don't have nice things"


I removed them, for the reasons above.

I always support the dalish, their suspicion of city elves might well be justified after what happened when they gave briala freedom of the camp. And it is made clear that interacting with humans usually results in angry mobs and pitch forks.

[BubbleDncr]

I would love ideas on how to correct that though.  I just don't think the "truth" will help them.  The truth doesn't matter to the elves or Thedas.  The only thing that matters is the present and the present needs to be changed.  The elves need to move forward and they need a strong political leader to do so.  *cough* LavellanandSolas *cough*

 

Freedom for the Elves!

 

Alright I'm done now.

 

This is the reason my Lavellan thinks Solas didn't want to be with her, and the reason he left. She thinks he must have thought it was a bad idea, or didn't want to be part of it. Cos my Inquisitor totally played the elf card whenever possible.

[Sable Rhapsody]

In my head-cannon, by Lavellan didn't like how most of the Dalish thought. She wanted to reunite her people (Dalish and City Elves), and saw working, united, for a better future as the best thing they could do.

 

So when Cassandra asked what it was like living with my clan, I was like, "I hated it." And when Solas asked if he had misjudged the Dalish, I was like, "meh, not really."

 

My only hesitance with removing my tattoos was a fear of what I'd look like without them.

 

This is my Lavellan too.  Mostly because I tried playing a really Dalish-y Dalish elf in DA:O and just wound up loathing the character.  So in DA:I it was like, "OK, I have to play Dalish.  Can I play a Dalish who thinks her people doth protest too much?"  And lo and behold, by the will of BioWare it was so.

 

I actually think my Lavellan looks better without the vallaslin; younger though, less ferocious.

[_Lucinia]

I'm curious.  How many Solassians allowed him to remove their markings?  I turned his offer down due to believing that, whatever they meant in the past, they mean something else now.

I let him remove them.  It was yet another reminder of just how wrong the Dalish got so many things.  The Inquisition has changed my Lavellan.  She's still loyal to her clan, and cares about what happens to her people.  The vallaslin was just going to be a reminder for her every time she sees her face.  Of course now her naked face is just a reminder of Solas.  But she'd still make that decision.

[Mims]

Yeah! It is very strange. I don't know what it is really. I do love all the characters, and as I mentioned above I do actually think quite a lot on my character's motivations and feelings. But I don't tend to get caught up myself other than, say, excitement to find out what happens next. And feeling compelled to chat about it here!

 

I suppose I DO cry when animals die though. They'd better not pull some nonsense of Solas dying as a wolf or something and Lavellan cradling his head, because that **** will kill me. I'll film my reaction. I barely survived Wolf's Rain. 

[_Lucinia]

Sorry to bring up old posts, I hope it's okay but I read a few pages and didn't see this answered... when did wolves guide you from Haven? That never happened for me and I am incredibly jealous.

 

When my inq left Haven she just wanders out into the cold, walking incredibly slow. I think I might have heard wolves howling, maybe? But just assumed it was ambiance. Is that what you are referring to, or did you actually *see* wolves?

I never noticed it before.  I just finished that sequence on my nightmare Lavellan and I could hear the wolves.  It starts off very faint at first, hard to hear through the wind.  The closer I got to everyone, the louder the howling got.  I don't think anyone said they saw wolves though.

[Brelakor]

I removed them for story purposes- I just really like the scene and how intimate the act is.  I'll do it again with my new Lavellan.  I made her vallaslin bolder too, for the striking difference once they're gone:

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Aww damn I should have done that... I chose the Mythal vallaslin that Abelas has because I thought 'hehehehe this will be interesting for the story considering she shall drink from the Well of Sorrows!'

 

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[BubbleDncr]

This is my Lavellan too.  Mostly because I tried playing a really Dalish-y Dalish elf in DA:O and just wound up loathing the character.  So in DA:I it was like, "OK, I have to play Dalish.  Can I play a Dalish who thinks her people doth protest too much?"  And lo and behold, by the will of BioWare it was so.

 

I actually think my Lavellan looks better without the vallaslin; younger though, less ferocious.

 

Ah see, my Dalish Warden was ridiculously Dalish, hating people left and right. But then she fell in love with Alistair, and went through the rest of her life with her WWAD? bracelet on.

 

Until that point in Awakenings when Alistair wasn't around and the peasants revolted. Then she was just like, "**** this ****" and killed them all.

[amranthe]

I'm curious.  How many Solassians allowed him to remove their markings?  I turned his offer down due to believing that, whatever they meant in the past, they mean something else now.

 

I let him remove mine, partly because I was afraid he might hate me if I didn't, but also because I feel it made sense--my Lavellan is very much the Dalish elf Solas falls in love with, one who is willing to question and to grow, who doesn't see the world in black and white. So once Solas tells her the truth, she accepts it and wants to move on, to be free from the misunderstandings of the past.

[Brelakor]

Sorry to bring up old posts, I hope it's okay but I read a few pages and didn't see this answered... when did wolves guide you from Haven? That never happened for me and I am incredibly jealous.

 

When my inq left Haven she just wanders out into the cold, walking incredibly slow. I think I might have heard wolves howling, maybe? But just assumed it was ambiance. Is that what you are referring to, or did you actually *see* wolves?

Naww you don't see them, just hear wolves howling while you're tromping through the snow

[zambixi]

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As much as I believe that the truth is important.  Is it?

 

I mean is it truly important? 

 

Most of the Dalish live their lives and take no small amount of pride that they are preserving some part of their heritage in doing so.  If Lavellan comes along and removes that from them, what would they have left?  They have no land or wealth or any kind of power left to them.  All they have are misremembered stories.  I do not think there is any hope of the elves reclaiming any of the power they have lost.  Some major would have to happen.  I suppose the Inquisitor could show bias towards her people and lead them to another golden age, but that seems highly unlikely.  If the humans thought they would have to deal with another "elvhen rebellion/rise in power" the nations of Thedas would rise together and put a stop to it.  There is so much blatant racism towards the elves.

 

I would love ideas on how to correct that though.  I just don't think the "truth" will help them.  The truth doesn't matter to the elves or Thedas.  The only thing that matters is the present and the present needs to be changed.  The elves need to move forward and they need a strong political leader to do so.  *cough* LavellanandSolas *cough*

 

Freedom for the Elves!

 

Alright I'm done now.

 

Not having likes is killing me.

 

I love this. I don't know if the truth would help them. I think the Dalish are so involved with their idealized past that they are incapable of moving forward. I would hope that an intellectual/cultural revolution within the clans could maybe lead to a greater revolution for the elves as a whole. In TME Briala mentions that

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if the Dalish actually worked with the City Elves, they probably have the numbers to have a somewhat-successful revolution. Think about it, there's a pretty massive elven population in nearly every major city. Briala has a giant network of Eluvians. If you didn't kill her, and if you could convince the Dalish to work with them by telling them they they could reclaim the real past then...maybe?

 

I'm being an idealist of course. Revolutions are messy and difficult and very rarely work. But I'm all-but-convinced that the elves are squandering the chance to make some gains because they refuse to organize based on the idea of who is "right" about their culture

 

Also my musical contribution for the day. I'm not sure if it fits perfectly, but I like to think of Solas thinking along these lines when he's desperately in love with Lavellan and kind of frustrated/torn about it. And I think Florence + the Machine can apply to any life situation...

 

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Lyrics

 

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There is love in your body but you can't hold it in
It pours from your eyes and spills from your skin
Tenderest touch leaves the darkest of marks
And the kindest of kisses break the hardest of hearts

The hardest of hearts
The hardest of hearts
The hardest of hearts

There is love in your body but you can't get it out
It gets stuck in your head, won't come out of your mouth
Sticks to your tongue and shows on your face
That the sweetest of words have the bitterest taste

Darling heart, I loved you from the start
But you'll never know what a fool I've been
Darling heart, I loved you from the start
But that's no excuse for the state I'm in

The hardest of hearts
The hardest of hearts
The hardest of hearts

There is love in our bodies and it holds us together
But pulls us apart when we're holding each other
We all want something to hold in the night
We don't care if it hurts or we're holding too tight

There is love in your body but you can't get it out
It gets stuck in your head, won't come out of your mouth
Sticks to your tongue and it shows on your face
That the sweetest of words have the bitterest taste

Darling heart, I loved you from the start
But you'll never know what a fool I've been
Darling heart, I loved you from the start
But that's no excuse for the state I'm in

The hardest of hearts
The hardest of hearts
The hardest of hearts

My heart swells like a water at work
Can't stop myself before it's too late
Hold on to your heart
'Cause I'm coming to take it
Hold on to your heart
'Cause I'm coming to break it

Hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on
Hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on
The hardest of hearts (hold on, hold on)
The hardest of hearts (hold on, hold on)
The hardest of hearts (hold on)

[caridounette]

My Lavellan turned him down for the same reason. She's a proud woman. Learning that they might have once been slave markings means nothing to her. She's no slave. In fact, it probably emboldens her further. 

 

A lot has changed in her life. Her horizons have broadened. She's willing to accept that her gods might not even be gods at all, and that her people were wrong about many things. But that doesn't change her love for the Dalish, and her sense of pride in who she is and where she came from. Solas thinking she is an exception to the rule is probably the thing that threatens her relationship more than anything. 

 

I really like what youre saying here. 

 

Cause I dont think Solas realizes what the markings means now for the Dalish ppl. He only sees the 'truth'. Its one of his big flaws cause it gets him all worked up against Dalish.

 

I mean unless the markings are actual geas and dangerous to wear, I say let the ppl wear them. They have taken an other meaning over time. Dont go evangelizing ppl who and dropping 'truth bombs' on them without preparation... youll just get sadness and denial.

 

Now as far as my Lavellan goes, im not sure if I prefer she accepts the removal and then feels bad about it, or refuses. I gotta replay her and link that choice to what happens to her clan in the story too.