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[Caboods]

I'm curious.  How many Solassians allowed him to remove their markings?  I turned his offer down due to believing that, whatever they meant in the past, they mean something else now.

My Lavellan turned down his offer as well. For her, personally, they don't really stand for a chosen God... more for the morals that the dalish associate with that God, and the ritual to become a full adult. For her, its an important part of herself, something that shows where her home and her family lies. So for her it's also more about what the vallaslin represent in the PRESENT instead of what they represented in the past.
 

Also she's very conflicted and torn about her views of the Dalish and her duty as First. She drank from the Well, because as much as she wants her people to progress and to move away from a culture that has been dead for centuries, and of which only bits and scraps remain... the chance to gain this much knowledge of those who once were her people was just too tempting for her.Also there was this sense of elven pride that she really didn't want a human to gain that knowledge instead of an elf.

So yeah, my Lavellan is super confused and conflicted about her Dalish heritage and her role as Inquisitor, haha

[Xilizhra]

Do any of you know Solas well enough to feel comfortable with co-writing party banter with an OC of mine? It's for a different Tevinter character that I thought would provide an interestingly different perspective on the events of Inquisition.

[Mims]

I really like what youre saying here. 

 

Cause I dont think Solas realizes what the markings means now for the Dalish ppl. He only sees the 'truth'. Its one of his big flaws cause it gets him all worked up against Dalish.

 

I mean unless the markings are actual geas and dangerous to wear, I say let the ppl wear them. They have taken an other meaning over time. Dont go evangelizing ppl who and dropping 'truth bombs' on them without preparation... youll just get sadness and denial.

 

Now as far as my Lavellan goes, im not sure if I prefer she accepts the removal and then feels bad about it, or refuses. I gotta replay her and link that choice to what happens to her clan in the story too.

 

Yeah, I agree. I think people can choose whether they want to remove it or not, that's fine. The scene where it is removed, and the idea of him setting her free is absolutely beautiful. But Solas isn't coming at it from the right perspective. He's still seeing the markings with the eyes of the past.

 

And if they are dangerous, my Lavellan would smack him for not being clearer. At least wink or something. 

[Viki Who]

In my head-cannon, by Lavellan didn't like how most of the Dalish thought. She wanted to reunite her people (Dalish and City Elves), and saw working, united, for a better future as the best thing they could do.

 

So when Cassandra asked what it was like living with my clan, I was like, "I hated it." And when Solas asked if he had misjudged the Dalish, I was like, "meh, not really."

 

My only hesitance with removing my tattoos was a fear of what I'd look like without them.

 

So, if/when my Lavellan finds out the truth about Solas, she'll keep an open mind towards everything he tells her. And if other Dalish start calling her a traitor so something, she'll be like, "**** you, this is why you don't have nice things"

 

 

I removed them, for the reasons above.

 

I have a similar headcannon. My dalish rogue was in her mid-twenties, and despite her skill with dual blades, was always seen as an outsider in her clan. When Fern Lavallen was a child she gained a scar across her forehead due to an incident with the other children; some of the boys were hunting an orphan wolf cub.  She gained her scar by jumping in the way of a club that was meant to strike the cub. Not only did this cause her to be an outsider among the other children, but when she was given her vallaslin, hers did not take on the brownish hue it normally does, but a yellowish tint instead. Thus, Fern became an outsider, often remaining perched by the statue of Fen'Haral, and tending to the saved cub (who would hide in the shadows of the clan, but follow Fern everywhere she went). She was the only one in her clan who would occasionally atop the statue of Fen'Haral with a crown of eflroot or flowers; although her clan preached their lore, she questioned it, and often saw the Dread Wolf as misunderstood, than a trickster. She did not understand why he should be left out in the clan's praise.

 

Ultimately, my elf was chosen to spy on the conclave for two reasons: 1. because as her Keeper put it, seeing as she was a loner and outsider her entire life, this was her chance to gain pride within her clan and redeem herself. (Though Fern cared more about escaping and exploring than gaining her clan's respect), and 2. seeing as she was an outsider, it would be no great loss should anything happen.

 

Almost fitting to my canon, in my playthrough, aid to her clan came too late and they were wiped out. Although she was never close, it still struck her to lose her home. Luckily though, upon venturing back to its outpost, she is able to find the orphaned wolf still alive, and he follows her back to Skyhold. (Because if we cannot have mabari hounds, I am giving her an imaginary wolf-pal ... and of course, for obvious reasons).

 

And yes, she would have Solas remove the vallaslin from her skin. As an attempt to start anew. 

 

(And yes, I know Fern is not the most elven-y sounding name, but that is my usual go-to fiction name ) 

[zambixi]

Yeah, I agree. I think people can choose whether they want to remove it or not, that's fine. The scene where it is removed, and the idea of him setting her free is absolutely beautiful. But Solas isn't coming at it from the right perspective. He's still seeing the markings with the eyes of the past.

 

And if they are dangerous, my Lavellan would smack him for not being clearer. At least wink or something. 

 

This needs to exist. I need to see winking Solas.

[Sable Rhapsody]

As much as I believe that the truth is important.  Is it?

 

I mean is it truly important? 

 

Most of the Dalish live their lives and take no small amount of pride that they are preserving some part of their heritage in doing so.  If Lavellan comes along and removes that from them, what would they have left?  They have no land or wealth or any kind of power left to them.  All they have are misremembered stories.  I do not think there is any hope of the elves reclaiming any of the power they have lost.  Some major would have to happen.  I suppose the Inquisitor could show bias towards her people and lead them to another golden age, but that seems highly unlikely.  If the humans thought they would have to deal with another "elvhen rebellion/rise in power" the nations of Thedas would rise together and put a stop to it.  There is so much blatant racism towards the elves.

 

I would love ideas on how to correct that though.  I just don't think the "truth" will help them.  The truth doesn't matter to the elves or Thedas.  The only thing that matters is the present and the present needs to be changed.  The elves need to move forward and they need a strong political leader to do so.  *cough* LavellanandSolas *cough*

 

Freedom for the Elves!

 

Alright I'm done now.

 

Personally, as a player, I think the elves are better off moving forward and I 100% agree with you.  No good can come of trying to reclaim a past that's so fragmented and violent.

 

But my character has a Sherlockian compulsion for the truth.  It's why the Herald of Andraste thing bothers her so much, especially after she finds out how she really got the Anchor.  It's why she's so ticked off at Solas--not for what the truth is, but because he felt he had to hide it from her.  No matter how painful it is, no matter what it costs her, she's like a bloodhound on the scent.  Just about the only price she isn't willing to pay for the truth is her identity, and she didn't realize that until the Well of Sorrows.

 

For her, it's a bit of a "Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it" sort of thing.  The Dalish hatred of humans is partially predicated on the belief that the Tevinter Imperium sacked Arlathan when in fact, they never did.  The elves tore themselves apart (probably with Solas's help, but still).  Why not learn a lesson from it?

 

Of course, as a player, I'm well aware that this attitude could backfire spectacularly on her.  But it's still really fun to RP.

[kalasaurus]

Good news for people who downloaded the dreaded patch (like me).  There's a hot fix in the works:

 

http://forum.bioware...2#entry18031082

[RynJ]

Yeah, I agree. I think people can choose whether they want to remove it or not, that's fine. The scene where it is removed, and the idea of him setting her free is absolutely beautiful. But Solas isn't coming at it from the right perspective. He's still seeing the markings with the eyes of the past.

 

And if they are dangerous, my Lavellan would smack him for not being clearer. At least wink or something

 

Well so are the Dalish. They're just wrong about what those marks meant in the past! 

 

It just doesn't feel right to me to keep them, personally.

[Tielis]

After finding out so much about the ancient elves from her hahren, my Lavellan was like "screw what the Dalish think, they need to get with the program".  Also... blood writing, blood magic... naw... my mage girl knew that something there was very fishy and she no longer wanted anything to do with it.

 

I think my inquisitor can be summed up in a line I remember my Warden in DAO saying, was it to Levi Dryden?  "The past won't offer redemption, try the future instead."  Now if only she could thump that into Solas' brain when he returns, they could do great things together for the elves.

[_Lucinia]

Sorry if this veers too much off-topic.

I never disliked the Dalish.  Their history and lore always intrigued me.  I admired them a bit for being so true to what they believe they come from.  But my problem was they always seemed a bit xenophobic to me.  (I think I am using that word in the proper context.)  There's no denying that they are very mistreated.  Awful, terrible things have been done to them.  I always thought though that they added to the problem.  Every clan is different, yes.  But I always hated how a lot of them would treat City-Elves.  Calling them Flat-Ears.  They were no better than the humans that hated them.  So self-righteous that their way is the "right" way.

Throughout Inquisition, because of Solas we've come to find out just how wrong they are.  And it's sad.  I just think about how they've mistreated their own kind (city elves) and other bad situations that happened.  There was no way I could keep the vallaslin on my Lavellan after finding out the truth of their origin.  I like that the Dalish have turned it into something different, that holds a lot of meaning for them.  But at the same time they use those markings to show how they are "true elves" or however you want to look at it.  Not all clans are like that.  I know.  Lavellan's clan is very open-minded.  But looking at it big picture style, in broader terms; I didn't want them on her face anymore.

[Xilizhra]

Spoiler

I still think that Solas is dead, with his body snatched by Flemeth. Largely because I don't think that Bioware would kill off a three-game recurring character in a cutscene after the credits.

[Aviena]

My character let him remove the vallaslin because by that point I had literally completed *everything* except the final mission - so there was a LOT of time for her (me!) to muse on the fact that my Lavellan wasn't really Dalish anymore. No clan, no aravel, no halla. Tied to the Chantry by the "Herald of Andraste" title, no matter how true it is. Leader of the Inquisition...which has, what, her and a single other Dalish elf? 2 if you're a rogue, like me, and Heir is a little...weird.

 

By the time the Temple of Mythal mission came around she was already feeling disconnected, and identifying more with her non-Dalish companions (especially Solas!) more than her own people. Add to that that Abelas and his pals don't consider her an elf, either...

 

Yeah, she was feeling a bit fatalistic. She regrets it now, mostly because he immediately dumped her, and she feels manipulated.

[Liedeke]

Still working on a bigger Solas drawing, but in the meantime, have a tiny Solas.

[RynJ]

Spoiler

I still think that Solas is dead, with his body snatched by Flemeth. Largely because I don't think that Bioware would kill off a three-game recurring character in a cutscene after the credits.

 

I don't think they'd kill off Fen'Harel after we barely got to know him in a single cutscene either, especially after we've been learning so much about him over the course of the game.

 

They're probably both still alive, if I had to guess. Flemeth always sticks around one way or another.

[DarthEmpress]

I just showed my friend Solas and she said "he looks like voldemort" and now I can't stop laughing lol XD

 

I honestly like that they went with the baldy look in the game because if he was all hot dreads and rarr I don't think his romance would be as emotionally moving; more would romance him cause he was "hot" than for what he adds to Lavellan's story.  Not that romancing a character because they're hot isn't a good reason of course lol

[zambixi]

Sorry if this veers too much off-topic.

I never disliked the Dalish.  Their history and lore always intrigued me.  I admired them a bit for being so true to what they believe they come from.  But my problem was they always seemed a bit xenophobic to me.  (I think I am using that word in the proper context.)  There's no denying that they are very mistreated.  Awful, terrible things have been done to them.  I always thought though that they added to the problem.  Every clan is different, yes.  But I always hated how a lot of them would treat City-Elves.  Calling them Flat-Ears.  They were no better than the humans that hated them.  So self-righteous that their way is the "right" way.

Throughout Inquisition, because of Solas we've come to find out just how wrong they are.  And it's sad.  I just think about how they've mistreated their own kind (city elves) and other bad situations that happened.  There was no way I could keep the vallaslin on my Lavellan after finding out the truth of their origin.  I like that the Dalish have turned it into something different, that holds a lot of meaning for them.  But at the same time they use those markings to show how they are "true elves" or however you want to look at it.  Not all clans are like that.  I know.  Lavellan's clan is very open-minded.  But looking at it big picture style, in broader terms; I didn't want them on her face anymore.

 

Does it say that Lavellan's clan is open-minded? I remember Solas saying they are different because they're involved in the affairs of humans but I assumed that could go either way. Maybe they sent you because they were tired of being tracked/attacked by errant mages? Or am I missing something? They are terribly tragic either way...like I said I wish they could unify.

 

 

Spoiler

I still think that Solas is dead, with his body snatched by Flemeth. Largely because I don't think that Bioware would kill off a three-game recurring character in a cutscene after the credits.

 

It's probably a bit more complicated. They wouldn't kill off Flemythal, but they wouldn't kill off an LI either. They're probably both still existing, in some capacity, somehow.

[BubbleDncr]

I have a similar headcannon. My dalish rogue was in her mid-twenties, and despite her skill with dual blades, was always seen as an outsider in her clan. When Fern Lavallen was a child she gained a scar across her forehead due to an incident with the other children; some of the boys were hunting an orphan wolf cub.  She gained her scar by jumping in the way of a club that was meant to strike the cub. Not only did this cause her to be an outsider among the other children, but when she was given her vallaslin, hers did not take on the brownish hue it normally does, but a yellowish tint instead. Thus, Fern became an outsider, often remaining perched by the statue of Fen'Haral, and tending to the saved cub (who would hide in the shadows of the clan, but follow Fern everywhere she went). She was the only one in her clan who would occasionally atop the statue of Fen'Haral with a crown of eflroot or flowers; although her clan preached their lore, she questioned it, and often saw the Dread Wolf as misunderstood, than a trickster. She did not understand why he should be left out in the clan's praise.

 

Ultimately, my elf was chosen to spy on the conclave for two reasons: 1. because as her Keeper put it, seeing as she was a loner and outsider her entire life, this was her chance to gain pride within her clan and redeem herself. (Though Fern cared more about escaping and exploring than gaining her clan's respect), and 2. seeing as she was an outsider, it would be no great loss should anything happen.

 

Almost fitting to my canon, in my playthrough, aid to her clan came too late and they were wiped out. Although she was never close, it still struck her to lose her home. Luckily though, upon venturing back to its outpost, she is able to find the orphaned wolf still alive, and he follows her back to Skyhold. (Because if we cannot have mabari hounds, I am giving her an imaginary wolf-pal ... and of course, for obvious reasons).

 

And yes, she would have Solas remove the vallaslin from her skin. As an attempt to start anew. 

 

(And yes, I know Fern is not the most elven-y sounding name, but that is my usual go-to fiction name ) 

 

My backstory goes against the backstory Bioware gives Lavellan a little, but whatevs. I like it, so I stick with it.

 

My Lavellan's mother was traded to the Lavellan clan when they needed more mages. Eventually, my dad died (hunting accident), and my mother got sick. Before she died, she expressed that she wanted me to be traded back to her originally clan, to be with her family. But my Keeper denied that request, claiming I was best suited to be trained to be the clan's next Keeper. But then decided to train her own daughter instead. Even tho I was the way better mage.

 

So my Lavellan was a misfit. Didn't feel like she had a purpose in her clan, and didn't agree with her Keeper on pretty much anything. Ultimately, the Keeper made a deal with her - go to this conclave and spy for me, and you can use it as an opportunity to see more of the world. See where your ideals get you. So she did.

 

Take that, Keeper! I even kept you alive through it all! You're welcome!

[_Lucinia]

Does it say that Lavellan's clan is open-minded? I remember Solas saying they are different because they're involved in the affairs of humans but I assumed that could go either way. Maybe they sent you because they were tired of being tracked/attacked by errant mages? Or am I missing something? They are terribly tragic either way...like I said I wish they could unify.

 

 

Well to me, that's open minded.  

[Mims]

Well so are the Dalish. They're just wrong about what those marks meant in the past! 

 

It just doesn't feel right to me to keep them, personally.

 

Are they though? To them, it is a symbol of crossing into adulthood. There's a whole ritual involved with it- you go out, make your kill, and then you have to stand having the tattoo put upon you without crying to prove to your tribe that you are no longer a child. They may represent beings who are not truly gods- but they still have strong personal meaning to each Dalish that receives them. I don't think Solas is fair in completely handwaving them and saying 'these are just the markings of a slave.' The Dalish haven't been slaves for thousands of years. Maybe he isn't proud of who they are, and maybe they've done some things wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that they have survived. 

 

I don't mean to imply that I am against choosing to remove them or anything! An Inquisitor has every right to become disillusioned with the Dalish. I just don't think that Solas, or the Inquisitor for that matter, should think that their intellect can discredit what other Dalish see in those markings. 

[Tootles FTW]

Just wanted to fling another song on the Solas-pile.

 

I Know I'm A Wolf

I think the lyrics speak quite well towards his past & duplicitous nature.  Also, referring to Lavellan as "Rabbit" = adorbs.

 

Spoiler

Dear Rabbit, my legs are getting weak chasing you
And the snowfields wouldn't seem so big, if you knew
That this blood on my teeth, it is far beyond dry...
And I've captured you once, but it wasn't quite right.

So I'm tellin' you.. That you'll be safe with me.

 

Oh Rabbit, my claws are dull now so don't be afraid...
I can keep you warm, as long as you can just try to be brave

Yes, I know I'm a wolf, and I've been known to bite,
But the rest of my pack... I've left them behind.
And my teeth may be sharp, and I've been raised to kill...
But the though of fresh meat... It's making me ill

So I'm telling you... That you'll be safe with me.

 

So Rabbit, please stop looking the other way...
It's cold out there... So why not stay here, under my tail...?

[kalasaurus]

Yeah, she was feeling a bit fatalistic. She regrets it now, mostly because he immediately dumped her, and she feels manipulated.

 

Yeah... that was a terrible time to dump her if she just had the vallaslin removed.  She trusted him enough to remove them, and then he ends it.  Ouch.

[Xilizhra]

It's probably a bit more complicated. They wouldn't kill off Flemythal, but they wouldn't kill off an LI either. They're probably both still existing, in some capacity, somehow.

He's not an LI anymore, right? Having broken up?

[BubbleDncr]

Spoiler

I still think that Solas is dead, with his body snatched by Flemeth. Largely because I don't think that Bioware would kill off a three-game recurring character in a cutscene after the credits.

 

Unless she's getting too busy with Orange is the New Black.

[Tielis]

Spoiler

I still think that Solas is dead, with his body snatched by Flemeth. Largely because I don't think that Bioware would kill off a three-game recurring character in a cutscene after the credits.

 

They would if Kate Mulgrew has become too expensive for their budget.

[BubbleDncr]

He's not an LI anymore, right? Having broken up?

 

Tell that to Cullen. He thinks I'm spoken for.