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[Cosmia]

I agree! BSN has either cleaned up its act a bit, or Solas thread is just full of good folks.

People who love Solas obviously have good taste. 

[Missy_MI]

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I still think that Solas is dead, with his body snatched by Flemeth. Largely because I don't think that Bioware would kill off a three-game recurring character in a cutscene after the credits.

Couple thoughts on this one:

 

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1) If you go up to Cole after the epilogue, he seems to be speaking out loud something Solas is saying to him. The cadence and pronunciation closely mirrors how Solas would speak, not Flemeth. Also he says something like 'he wouldn't wish his fate on one he used to care for' (meaning Cole I think). I'm not sure Flemeth and Cole ever knew each other that well, so not sure if this would make sense coming from Flemeth.

2) Flemeth tells Morrigan she was never in danger of becoming possessed because Morrigan was unwilling. It seems like the soul merging thing has to be voluntary.

I think Flemeth sent a fragment of her soul through the Eluvian before Solas arrived (the blue glow) and then allowed him to take the rest. The 'old friend' comment seemed genuine to me. Besides, this is Flemeth we're talking about here. She's way too bad-ass to let her soul get snatched without a dragon fight.

[Cheerios789]

I think there is a very good reason none of the Dalish Clans have unified and they tend not to take in City Elves though.  We have been shown time and time again that any clan that gets too big or takes too much interest in human society gets shafted.  Taking in runaways from the cities is dangerous.  The City Elf could have a bounty or could spread ideas that run counter to their continued survival.

 

Take Lavellan's clan, it's shockingly easy to mess up and have them all murdered.  And Lavellan wasn't even actively pushing the elves forward.  She just happened to be an elf that was well known at the time.  This is prior to Halamshiral of course. 

 

My point is that the elves have tried unifying and they've tried expanding their clans and what do they have to show for it?  The Exalted Plains?  Halamshiral?  The Emerald Graves?  Any time someone tries to piece together the elves and make any kind of home or life for them they get killed and thousands of elves die.  So naturally the only ones still living are the ones who have stayed out of the way.

 

It's really sad and awful.  It is also an intriguing Anthropological study.  They have been likened to the Jews, but they seem closer to gypsies.  No one really wants them in their country, but they can't really make them leave.  I feel like the Jews might be closer to the Dwarves.  There is a lot of hatred for them, but no one can really knock them down too much, because they are so skilled and insular.  The Dwarves also don't really have a homeland and cling tightly to the past.

[Xilizhra]

I love how some of us have very different opinons on Dalish culture and the vallaslin, and there's no animosity or arguing.  I see now why the Solas fan thread was regarded as a unicorn.  So rare nowadays in the age of the internet.  I stopped being active on forums and things like that years ago, because there was just far too many negatives.  

Thanks Solas Recovery Wing for getting me back into conversing with people that share my interests.  This thread has been a joy.

Solas and the Dalish seem to have the same goal, just different means and information. Sometimes this leads to greater harmony. I'm glad it has here, at any rate.

[zambixi]

I think my Lavellan will eventually come to understand that much. But maybe in 10 years...

 

like its hard (at least for me) to RP her understanding that yes the markings have helped Dalish stay culturally alive, hence they are not bad and have a new cultural sense from the time Solas is from, but now they also represent a way of life that keeps elves apart (city and dalish)  and prevent them from working together.

 

Theres like 3 levels of meaning to those things >.<

 

1) used to be slave markings to Elvhen

2) part of dalish identity. Their knowledge is flawed, but its better then nothing at all, and what else would you expect of a culture that lived with all the hardships over a thousand years ?

3) contributing to keeping elves apart in the future, hence 'why we cant have good things'.

 

 

I think my Lavellan will eventually come to term with having them removed but she will always feel guilty inside that she did it for love and not for a logical reason even if she eventually realizes it could be for the better.

 

That's the key. Whatever reasoning I come up with the truth is she did it because she was starry-eyed in love with her elfy boyfriend.

 

So thinking along that lines...I'm a bit glad they broke up and some distrust is introduced in the relationship. It's so easy for a young Lavellan to get all wrapped up in his world and lose sight of her own heritage/ideals. I still want them together, but I think she won't be as tolerant of his hand-waving explanations when (I hope it's when) they do.

[Birdy]

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I still think that Solas is dead, with his body snatched by Flemeth. Largely because I don't think that Bioware would kill off a three-game recurring character in a cutscene after the credits.

That's the thing. She did it once, why wouldn't she do it again. Flemeth has backups of herself like the beginning with Hawke.

[Mims]

 

3) contributing to keeping elves apart in the future, hence 'why we cant have good things'.

 

 

This is absolutely true. Eventually I think that, should the elves finally reunite, each side is going to have to make some concessions. The tattoos may be one of them. They may need to become simply an optional choice, no longer steeped in any sort of ritual. 

 

If it was in the favor of unity, my Lavellan would actually remove her tattoos just as an act of good faith. But she'd be sacrificing what they meant to her for elf kind, not based on what they might mean to others. 

[Eivuwan]

You know I have been thinking about how they will resolve this whole thing. 

 

Firstly, I do believe it will be resolved with the Inquisitor.  It has to be.  I refuse to believe that any writer would walk away from this truly beautiful story. 

 

I am concerned though.  Because I could foresee the story ending tragically, possibly with death for either Solas or Quizzy or both.  I'm concerned that Bioware will think that we will riot like everyone did at the end of ME3.  I just don't want to lose out on a potentially gorgeous ending, because they feel we can't handle an emotional climax.  Because I'm a sucker for powerful story and if the story calls for their deaths, then I will gladly watch it. 

 

I mean I'll cry.  I always cry.  There's a reason sappy love stories exist and it's so we can cry.

 

People got mad at the ending of ME3 because it was illogical, not because Shepard had to die.

[Cheerios789]

Solas and the Dalish seem to have the same goal, just different means and information. Sometimes this leads to greater harmony. I'm glad it has here, at any rate.

 

I'm so glad to have found this thread.  I almost never participate in an online discussion.  I shy away from trolls and have the self-esteem of a gnat so online forums tend to scare me.

But this thread is amazing.

 

I'm so glad to have a place for wild speculation and girly enthusiasm with a liberal sprinkling of smut and fluff.  I like it here.  This is a safe place. 

[Vylix]

Take Lavellan's clan, it's shockingly easy to mess up and have them all murdered.  And Lavellan wasn't even actively pushing the elves forward.  She just happened to be an elf that was well known at the time.  This is prior to Halamshiral of course. 

This was mentioned a while ago, and now that i'm almost done my 3rd playthrough, Can someone explain how this happens to me? I still haven't had it occur between my three lavellans

[arelenriel]

@Birdy

 

Oh, I never chose that option so I didn't realize.  It's hard for me to kill characters that feel so important to the story. I always want to know what they are going to do and a sick part of me wants their nefarious plans to work out. 

 

On the topic of Solas giving up immortality ... I'm not sure he could.  When you ask him about immortality and it's connection to magic, he says that it wasn't a spell and was an intrinsic part of their being.  Which begs the question, how many other immortal elves are wandering around Thedas and where are they?  The immortality was not limited to the gods and Solas does not seem to be any less immortal by simply hanging out with shemlem.  What actually caused the immortality to fade?

Looking at the sadistic experiments some of the magisters were doing on elven slaves (Fenris for example though apparently he volunteered to free his sister) my theory would be that the Magisters in the time of the fall of Ancient Elvenan were doing some type of experiment to see if they could take the immortality of the elves for themselves. Given we know Cory and his buddies were also mucking about in the same 500 year time period between the fall of Arlathan and Andraste's birth and death/Founding of the Chantry and the First Blight -- it is clear that magisters were looking for ways to become immortal or godlike at that point. I suspect that they may have gotten as far as stripping their slaves of their immortality (along with malnutrition and loss of magic causing them to become slighter and thinner) before they found out it just would not work and a group of them including Cory tried to enter the Black/Golden City and failed, coming back as the first Darkspawn. This may also have something to do with the increase in magic amongst human populations and the decrease in magic amongst the elves given how few Circle mages you see who are elven.

[zambixi]

This was mentioned a while ago, and now that i'm almost done my 3rd playthrough, Can someone explain how this happens to me? I still haven't had it occur between my three lavellans

 

They can scatter if you send Cullen first. I sent Josephine first and they were OK, but sending Josephine second results in them also dying/scattering.

 

And then...no one says anything at all. It's really bizarre.

[Tielis]

That's the key. Whatever reasoning I come up with the truth is she did it because she was starry-eyed in love with her elfy boyfriend.

 

So thinking along that lines...I'm a bit glad they broke up and some distrust is introduced in the relationship. It's so easy for a young Lavellan to get all wrapped up in his world and lose sight of her own heritage/ideals. I still want them together, but I think she won't be as tolerant of his hand-waving explanations when (I hope it's when) they do.

 

Yeah, I have to agree.  As much as it hurt them (and us!), I think the breakup was good for them, and allowed each one to grow, so that if/when they get back together, they will be on equal terms instead of just mooning over each other.

 

That having been said, there would definitely be a slap or two.  And yelling.

[Brass_Buckles]

So a bit of angsty speculation here, but...

 

Solas doesn't wish his path on even his worst enemy, he says.  Much less someone he deeply cared about.  Cared, past tense.  We all caught that.

 

But what if the reason he had to leave Lavellan is because he knows whatever he's going to do is likely to destroy most of the mortals in the world, Lavellan included (unless she's extremely fortunate)?  He's saving The People, but at a tremendous cost--one he doesn't necessarily want to pay, but he feels he has to if he's going to set the world right again.

 

So rather than keep with the Inquisitor and possibly start thinking about all of these shemlen-elves and humans and dwarves as The People, he lets her go before it becomes impossible not to see them as more than numbers, casualties for a greater cause and a greater good.

 

And even if she managed to survive the fray, well, if he stayed with her, he's going to have enemies.  Those enemies would target his weak points, and one of those weak points would be Lavellan, for sure. Mighty as she has become, she is still mortal.

 

Less angsty thought:  I hope I'm wrong and instead we get to see some super-sappy reconciliation and talking him down if his plans are eeeeeevil (or misguided).

[Tielis]

People got mad at the ending of ME3 because it was illogical, not because Shepard had to die.

 

Haha, speak for yourself!  I will be head over heels in love with ShepLoo for the next 20 years, probably.  

[Cheerios789]

This was mentioned a while ago, and now that i'm almost done my 3rd playthrough, Can someone explain how this happens to me? I still haven't had it occur between my three lavellans

There's a quest, I believe right at the beginning, on the war table.  It starts a chain of events of some uprising/redlyrium nonsense with your clan.  It can end ... horribly.  Thankfully I managed to make the right choices the first time, but it can end with your clan being wiped out.

 

Basically choose the cautious options and save Cullen for last. 

[Vylix]

They can scatter if you send Cullen first. I sent Josephine first and they were OK, but sending Josephine second results in them also dying/scattering.

 

And then...no one says anything at all. It's really bizarre.

I usually send Lelianna or Cullen to deal with the clan. I trust Leliana and her people to screw up less frequently than everyone else. maybe that's why, I suppose?

[Mims]

I doubt they would ever go this route, but...

 

Lavellan is in a key position to actually do something about her people. She has the ear of humans, many of them powerful. She has had experience now commanding armies. If she could secure support in exchange for her influence in the human world, she could potentially make life easier for the Dalish. She could make life easier for the city elves, coupled with the support of Briala. If she has Solas, she could possibly wrangle in the remains of some of the ancient elves if they aren't plotting world domination somewhere. 

 

What elf-kind needs is some leadership, with connections to get the job done and the capacity to stay alive long enough for human lords not to remove them. 

 

Unfortunately, there's still the fact that many Dalish don't want to join larger clans, and might see her as a pariah at this point. And Solas seems to want to hit the reset button rather than play the long game. But there's such potential for unity with all the pieces on the map at the moment. Doubly so if the Warden was an elf. 

[Roxy]

Sorry to bring up old posts, I hope it's okay but I read a few pages and didn't see this answered... when did wolves guide you from Haven? That never happened for me and I am incredibly jealous.

 

When my inq left Haven she just wanders out into the cold, walking incredibly slow. I think I might have heard wolves howling, maybe? But just assumed it was ambiance. Is that what you are referring to, or did you actually *see* wolves?

I never saw them but heard the wolves howling when my female elf inquisitor was walking in the snow. I was all like "Aaaw Fen'Harel cares about my Levallan." 

 

I think it's time for my daily Solas Sigh.

 

I hope he comes back....

 

I think he will ,don't worry and don't give up. 

[zambixi]

So a bit of angsty speculation here, but...

 

Solas doesn't wish his path on even his worst enemy, he says.  Much less someone he deeply cared about.  Cared, past tense.  We all caught that.

 

But what if the reason he had to leave Lavellan is because he knows whatever he's going to do is likely to destroy most of the mortals in the world, Lavellan included (unless she's extremely fortunate)?  He's saving The People, but at a tremendous cost--one he doesn't necessarily want to pay, but he feels he has to if he's going to set the world right again.

 

So rather than keep with the Inquisitor and possibly start thinking about all of these shemlen-elves and humans and dwarves as The People, he lets her go before it becomes impossible not to see them as more than numbers, casualties for a greater cause and a greater good.

 

And even if she managed to survive the fray, well, if he stayed with her, he's going to have enemies.  Those enemies would target his weak points, and one of those weak points would be Lavellan, for sure. Mighty as she has become, she is still mortal.

 

Less angsty thought:  I hope I'm wrong and instead we get to see some super-sappy reconciliation and talking him down if his plans are eeeeeevil (or misguided).

 

Nah...he's too involved with Lavellan to write her off as a casualty IMO. I still think that if he believed she was in grave danger, he would find some way to protect her by taking her with him, by locking her away, or by encouraging her to go somewhere else. Well, maybe that's why she's at Skyhold, actually (though there's no guarantee she'd be there at the exact moment). I can see him writing off pretty much everyone else, but not Lavellan.

 

If he were concerned with her being a weak point, he'd just kill her after Corypheus. She's still a weak point frolicking around Thedas. Especially as ignorant as she is concerning his plans.

[Birdy]

I agree! BSN has either cleaned up its act a bit, or Solas thread is just full of good folks.

Lol. It's kinda funny seeing how fast the mods shut down troublemakers.  XD

[zambixi]

I doubt they would ever go this route, but...

 

Lavellan is in a key position to actually do something about her people. She has the ear of humans, many of them powerful. She has had experience now commanding armies. If she could secure support in exchange for her influence in the human world, she could potentially make life easier for the Dalish. She could make life easier for the city elves, coupled with the support of Briala. If she has Solas, she could possibly wrangle in the remains of some of the ancient elves if they aren't plotting world domination somewhere. 

 

What elf-kind needs is some leadership, with connections to get the job done and the capacity to stay alive long enough for human lords not to remove them. 

 

Unfortunately, there's still the fact that many Dalish don't want to join larger clans, and might see her as a pariah at this point. And Solas seems to want to hit the reset button rather than play the long game. But there's such potential for unity with all the pieces on the map at the moment. Doubly so if the Warden was an elf. 

 

You can potentially have Zevran, Fenris, and Merrill too. Sure they're not as big as the Champion or the Warden, but they're still pretty much considered heroes. There have recently been a lot of famous elves.

 

Re TME:

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I don't think they introduced the HUGE NETWORK of Eluvians just for fun. It's Chekov's gun. Someone is going to make use of them, sometime. They're a huge asset to the elves, especially since elves (and for some strange reason, Morrigan) are the only people who seem to be able to use them correctly. If they used them well, it would make it very difficult for the nobility to fight them effectively.

 

What's "viva la revolucion" in Elven?

[Birdy]

I usually send Lelianna or Cullen to deal with the clan. I trust Leliana and her people to screw up less frequently than everyone else. maybe that's why, I suppose?

Don't send Josie for the last one. 

[Cheerios789]

So a bit of angsty speculation here, but...

 

Solas doesn't wish his path on even his worst enemy, he says.  Much less someone he deeply cared about.  Cared, past tense.  We all caught that.

 

But what if the reason he had to leave Lavellan is because he knows whatever he's going to do is likely to destroy most of the mortals in the world, Lavellan included (unless she's extremely fortunate)?  He's saving The People, but at a tremendous cost--one he doesn't necessarily want to pay, but he feels he has to if he's going to set the world right again.

 

So rather than keep with the Inquisitor and possibly start thinking about all of these shemlen-elves and humans and dwarves as The People, he lets her go before it becomes impossible not to see them as more than numbers, casualties for a greater cause and a greater good.

 

And even if she managed to survive the fray, well, if he stayed with her, he's going to have enemies.  Those enemies would target his weak points, and one of those weak points would be Lavellan, for sure. Mighty as she has become, she is still mortal.

 

Less angsty thought:  I hope I'm wrong and instead we get to see some super-sappy reconciliation and talking him down if his plans are eeeeeevil (or misguided).

 

I think that he knows that whatever he is about to do is going to cause problems and he will not be in a position to help them, since he'll probably be running for his life or dead.  By distancing himself from the Inquisitor he puts her/him in an excellent position to pick up the pieces and fix the world.  I don't think the is an envious position and I don't think he wants to do it.  Which is obvious from his many many comments on the matter. 

 

I'm curious what he says at the end of the game if he hates you. 

 

I don't think he can lead the world to peace or bring the elves back, but I think he has the power to bring catastrophic change.  Like he has a big shiny button "in case of emergency" and he's not sure if it will help, but surely it can't hurt.

[Avejajed]

Sorry was still trying to find some damn ventori tomes. Name is amg1240, if that helps, for xbox one lol