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Anyway, yeah this thread is going at FTL (faster than light) speed, like they'd say in the Mass Effect threads.  I'm glad that Solas is getting much love.  If he's popular it means he'll come back... *hopes*

This is honestly what I'm hoping for. Fan demand does have an impact (Morrigan, Garrus, Tali, Cullen, Lair of the Shadow Broker, DA2's lukewarm reception). I was on the old forums between ME1 and ME2 and Garrus/Tali fans were really pushing for them to be a romance.

 

I also think it helps that pretty much everyone either likes Solas or thinks he's a fascinating character, not just the people who romanced him.


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Bioware's evil like that. Besides someone in Scuttlebutt has confirmed Harbinger as a romance writer for Bioware. That explains a lot. 

 

Hmm...how many Harbinger quotes apply to the Solas romance and his fans?

 

"This hurts you."

 

"You cannot resist."

 

"I sense your weakness."

 

"Embrace perfection."

 

"Overwhelm them."


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This is honestly what I'm hoping for. Fan demand does have an impact (Morrigan, Garrus, Tali, Cullen, Lair of the Shadow Broker, DA2's lukewarm reception). I was on the old forums between ME1 and ME2 and Garrus/Tali fans were really pushing for them to be a romance.

 

I also think it helps that pretty much everyone either likes Solas or thinks he's a fascinating character, not just the people who romanced him.

 

YES.  :D

My brother just finished his first play-through of DA:I, and I was laughing because the whole time he's like: "Solas is my bro." (He brought him everywhere.) So it's not just the Solasmancers that want more! 


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Yeah, well with context I understand the joke now.  I wouldn't say it's tasteless, since you're going off your own personal experience.  I joke about stuff I've gone through, too.  It's nice to be able to laugh at it sometimes.  I get it.  I just totally misunderstood what you meant.

 

And that's scary.  I don't want to pry into your personal stuff, but I hope you're safe from him (especially if he actually physically hurt or threatened you).

 

Anyway, yeah this thread is going at FTL (faster than light) speed, like they'd say in the Mass Effect threads.  I'm glad that Solas is getting much love.  If he's popular it means he'll come back... *hopes*

I rarely leave the house without another person, and when I do leave alone I'm almost always in public places. Y'know. Populated ares with busy roads even at night, public transport, university, ect. As far as he's aware I still live on Campus in the super secure dorm, and nobody has bothered to tell him otherwise.

 

I have a feeling Solas is coming back regardless of popularity, but his popularity may give him a better and/or faster return than if we absolutely hated him as a community. 



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woooooo! Solas is now winning the best romance poll! http://forum.bioware...nce-vote-share/


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 This is just a mix compilation of thoughts from someone who desperately needs to re-read the codex and wait for inquisition entries to be added but:
 
- while I was playing the game I was really inclined to believe the old gods and elven gods link. I thought the old gods being the same number as elven gods – mythal + fen’harel too much of a coincidence. HOWEVER, if I’m not mistaken, doesn’t Solas say that they are not the same? (they can still be related, I suppose) 
 
- The Blight seems to me too much connected with ancient elven myth and to the fade as well. I remember back in origins that dalish getting it from an eluvian. 
 
- I think that the veil did not exist before and it may have been involved in separating the two worlds as a way to put the gods out of their power? (and that before everything sang the same); this is why I was so “????” at Solas saying he has never seen veilfire, why would he even lie about that? It’s not suspicious at all to know what it is. 
 
- If all this above is close to the truth then Solas did sort of accidently cause the blights but it’s more like: you planting daffodil and someone making poison out of that. It’s not really your ffault, you know? 
 
- But it would explain why Solas is so sure only he can fix it, since the problem would be MUCH deeper than just what happened to the elves, but also involve how spirits, mages, dwarves, and all of thedas with the blights are affected by his actions. And how potentially world-breaking they were. And why he desperately needs to take it back. 
 
But this is completely off the rails theories tbh. That’s why I keep saying I really need to re-read, I’m sure I broke the lore somewhere. 

 

 

Link.  Could be a red herring or two in there, but I swear there's something to it.



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woooooo! Solas is now winning the best romance poll! http://forum.bioware...nce-vote-share/

 

Ooooh yeah!  And I just voted in it (for Solas of course)!



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Hmm...how many Harbinger quotes apply to the Solas romance and his fans?

 

"This hurts you."

 

"You cannot resist."

 

"I sense your weakness."

 

"Embrace perfection."

 

"Overwhelm them."

"Relinquish your form to us!"  :P



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woooooo! Solas is now winning the best romance poll! http://forum.bioware...nce-vote-share/

And so it begins.



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Guys. This is important.

I crafted a Battlemage hood for my Lavellan. It's red. She's little, and she's riding a wolf.

Guys.



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I rarely leave the house without another person, and when I do leave alone I'm almost always in public places. Y'know. Populated ares with busy roads even at night, public transport, university, ect. As far as he's aware I still live on Campus in the super secure dorm, and nobody has bothered to tell him otherwise.

 

I have a feeling Solas is coming back regardless of popularity, but his popularity may give him a better and/or faster return than if we absolutely hated him as a community. 

 

I'm sorry.  No one should have to live with that fear.

 

I just hope that his popularity means good things for his romance, mostly.  Even if it ends in tragedy (please don't please don't), I hope it's addressed in a satisfying way in a DLC (I'm looking at you, Lair of the Shadow Broker and Witch Hunt) on top of his "standard" content for those who didn't romance him.


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I have a feeling Solas is coming back regardless of popularity, but his popularity may give him a better and/or faster return than if we absolutely hated him as a community. 

Oh, totally. He's going to be important no matter what. But I think the big thing that Bioware are deciding right now is where Inquisition is going to go from here. The ending was very open for a Dragon Age game. All of the characters talk about staying around for a while. That gives them a bit of wiggle room if they want to, say, keep them around for DLC or do a whole other game starring the Inquisitor. I think they're trying to decide what the role of the Inquisitor should be, and if both the Inquisitor and Solas are fairly popular, then I think that gives us a higher chance of seeing Solas's story through as our Inquisitor.

 

Really, my worst-case scenario is that Solas won't show up until DA4, where he's the villain and a new protagonist has to kill him. Your protagonist has no idea who this guy is, while you do.


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YES.  :D

My brother just finished his first play-through of DA:I, and I was laughing because the whole time he's like: "Solas is my bro." (He brought him everywhere.) So it's not just the Solasmancers that want more! 

 

This is the exact reason I decided to romance him in my latest playthrough, because he was a mainstay in my party during my first runthrough.

 

I think the only time Solas and my first Inquisitor ever disagreed were when I sided with Varric during Cole's personal quest and when I chose to be the one who drank from the Well during the Temple of Mythal, but aside from that, they were steadfast bros.



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Guys. This is important.

I crafted a Battlemage hood for my Lavellan. It's red. She's little, and she's riding a wolf.

Guys.



:lol:

 

And I'm out of likes again.

 

Ahem.  LIKE.


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Oh, totally. He's going to be important no matter what. But I think the big thing that Bioware are deciding right now is where Inquisition is going to go from here. The ending was very open for a Dragon Age game. All of the characters talk about staying around for a while. That gives them a bit of wiggle room if they want to, say, keep them around for DLC or do a whole other game starring the Inquisitor. I think they're trying to decide what the role of the Inquisitor should be, and if both the Inquisitor and Solas are fairly popular, then I think that gives us a higher chance of seeing Solas's story through as our Inquisitor.

 

Really, my worst-case scenario is that Solas won't show up until DA4, where he's the villain and a new protagonist has to kill him. Your protagonist has no idea who this guy is, while you do.

 

And then you either do it while crying bloody tears IRL or you choose to suicide by begging a dragon to eat you...



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I see the points you are making on leaving being a jerk move, but as I mentioned before, I have done that and that was based on respect and love for that person. He never felt he could reach me and he was right, no one ever can. I did tell him why I left though, but I'm not sure if that did anything.

I can't change that part of me, that would be wrong for the both of us. 15 years later, I think he hardly remembers me, I sure do remember him. I gave him the freedom of not always feeling frustrated and to get over it. I can't. 

 

Edit; When I think about it, I'm not completely unreachable, it's just that I tend to click more on a intellectual level (not as in IQ but as "let's debate this till it's completely shredded to pieces), he was such a sweet, caring and emotional guy who just couldn't cope with me being a space cadet.

 

 

I once left someone "for his own good" and it was definitely out of love and respect. He was/is the kind of person who would end up miserable in my company eventually, either because he stayed who he was ( and we were very different people) or changed his values to match mine. He is happy now, as am I.

 

I do hope I am not offending you guys(gals), because I will say I've never been in this situation so I can't know 100% what it's like.

 

BUT there's a big difference between (RL) "We broke up because they would never be happy with me" and (fantasy) "We broke up because I'm an all powerful god and I just don't want to explain that right now".

 

When I talk about the trope I am mostly talking about it in the context of fantasy, or superhero genre, where the leaving is done because of the fear of some physical harm, or the idea that they couldn't "cope" with who you are. It sounds like both of your situations were based on mutual happiness--while it may hurt right now, in the long run you're both better off, and part of you both knew it (likely because your partner knew on some level what the deal was). But I don't believe for a second that Lavellan is "better off" without Solas. Pffft.

 

My gripe with Solas is that he doesn't even offer a reason for why it wouldn't work. I mean, this is a world with freakin' magic and monsters and craziness--at least telling Lavellan he had some unfinished business, that he had to go and go alone, but he might be back... maybe... That makes sense.

 

But just being like "No, it won't work" and disappearing is just not right.

 

 

Both sides of the argument come off as only letting one person's feelings matter, now that I look at it. It's either Solas' decision not to let someone get hurt for him that's denied or it's Lavellan's decision to risk getting hurt for him that's denied. It sucks either way. It's kind of a no-win situation.

 

In a way, yes, it's only allowing one person's feelings to matter. But the point is, in the first case (leaving for their own good) you are being selfish and only allowing your feelings to matter. In the second case, you're letting them choose, thus putting their feelings above yours (not selfish). Also, consider that in this trope the person doing the leaving often wants to be with the person anyway, but thinks themself selfish if they stay because their partner might get hurt. Yes, it's selfish if you don't tell them the truth, but if they go in knowing all the risks, then you can't blame yourself (even though of course you will anyway).

 

Bleh sorry I didn't mean for this topic to go so crazy. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of how "leaving for their own good" is not the selfless act most media makes it out to be. I'm not saying that the opposite is always rainbows and unicorns, or will end happy. I'm just always an advocate of letting someone make their own choices, this trope has always annoyed me.


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I'm sorry.  No one should have to live with that fear.

 

I just hope that his popularity means good things for his romance, mostly.  Even if it ends in tragedy (please don't please don't), I hope it's addressed in a satisfying way in a DLC (I'm looking at you, Lair of the Shadow Broker and Witch Hunt) on top of his "standard" content for those who didn't romance him.

Yeah. Aside from the whole "villain for a new protagonist" thing, I also really really want to avoid Solas becoming a Thane. I mean, Thane had a rather meaty cameo in ME3, you can't deny that. But the romance content was abysmal because Garrus and Kaidan were more popular, so Bioware chose to spend their resources elsewhere. I was never a Thanemancer, but I felt absolutely awful for people who were.


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I used to love Anders romance but then his VA ruined it for me. He is literally the biggest douche bag to ever douche.

Aw, I thought Adam Howden did a good job with Anders.  The voice acting in most Bioware games is top notch (okay, okay, except that one guy in Mass Effect who voices Donnelly and Donovan Hock).  I hear ya, though - if you don't click with the VA I think it's hard to click with the character.  Fortunately Gareth David Lloyd did such a fantastic job wth Solas, I think he is to blame for me falling in love within the first ten minutes.



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Oh! I see what you're saying now. I'll even agree with you, the trope do suck.

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I do hope I am not offending you guys(gals), because I will say I've never been in this situation so I can't know 100% what it's like.

 

BUT there's a big difference between (RL) "We broke up because they would never be happy with me" and (fantasy) "We broke up because I'm an all powerful god and I just don't want to explain that right now".

 

When I talk about the trope I am mostly talking about it in the context of fantasy, or superhero genre, where the leaving is done because of the fear of some physical harm, or the idea that they couldn't "cope" with who you are. It sounds like both of your situations were based on mutual happiness--while it may hurt right now, in the long run you're both better off, and part of you both knew it (likely because your partner knew on some level what the deal was). But I don't believe for a second that Lavellan is "better off" without Solas. Pffft.

 

My gripe with Solas is that he doesn't even offer a reason for why it wouldn't work. I mean, this is a world with freakin' magic and monsters and craziness--at least telling Lavellan he had some unfinished business, that he had to go and go alone, but he might be back... maybe... That makes sense.

 

But just being like "No, it won't work" and disappearing is just not right.

 

 

 

In a way, yes, it's only allowing one person's feelings to matter. But the point is, in the first case (leaving for their own good) you are being selfish and only allowing your feelings to matter. In the second case, you're letting them choose, thus putting their feelings above yours (not selfish). Also, consider that in this trope the person doing the leaving often wants to be with the person anyway, but thinks themself selfish if they stay because their partner might get hurt. Yes, it's selfish if you don't tell them the truth, but if they go in knowing all the risks, then you can't blame yourself (even though of course you will anyway).

 

Bleh sorry I didn't mean for this topic to go so crazy. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of how "leaving for their own good" is not the selfless act most media makes it out to be. I'm not saying that the opposite is always rainbows and unicorns, or will end happy. I'm just always an advocate of letting someone make their own choices, this trope has always annoyed me.

 

Yea, a lot of what happens in fantasy/romance novels that makes people swoon, are actually things that are pretty crappy to go through in real life. That's probably why they're so enjoyable - you can feel all the exciting emotions, without anywhere near the amount of pain it would actually cause.



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So I have to go to this dodgeball tournament tonight, for charity, and I'm just like "...but I want to stay home and play my game...."



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I'm sorry.

 

I just hope that his popularity means good things for his romance, mostly.  Even if it ends in tragedy (please don't please don't), I hope it's addressed in a satisfying way in a DLC (I'm looking at you, Lair of the Shadow Broker and Witch Hunt) on top of his "standard" content for those who didn't romance him.

I really like how they did Witch hunt. If they do address the romance in a DLC I really hope we get an ending like that which kind of gives an ending option for what most people (or rather a fair number of people) would want for their own character. 

Oh, totally. He's going to be important no matter what. But I think the big thing that Bioware are deciding right now is where Inquisition is going to go from here. The ending was very open for a Dragon Age game. All of the characters talk about staying around for a while. That gives them a bit of wiggle room if they want to, say, keep them around for DLC or do a whole other game starring the Inquisitor. I think they're trying to decide what the role of the Inquisitor should be, and if both the Inquisitor and Solas are fairly popular, then I think that gives us a higher chance of seeing Solas's story through as our Inquisitor.

 

Really, my worst-case scenario is that Solas won't show up until DA4, where he's the villain and a new protagonist has to kill him. Your protagonist has no idea who this guy is, while you do.

I'm still confused as to why some people think I'm crazy when I mention the possibility of another game with the inquisitor. I mean we need something to explain why they don't get involved in the next big world issue and "Oh. they disappeared" has been used too many times. Sure DLC could totally answer this but there's no guarantee of DLC xD

 

But yeah. It seems the reactions to inquisition are going to determine a large part of what happens next. If DA-4 goes the way your worst-case is going I think I'll be the first one to jump on the nope-train,

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1200+ pages and 99.9% of them are completely on topic. Well done, Solas thread.

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Really, my worst-case scenario is that Solas won't show up until DA4, where he's the villain and a new protagonist has to kill him. Your protagonist has no idea who this guy is, while you do.

 

Would not buy.


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Adding to the Solas playlist


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