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[Lucy Glitter]

So what's with the depictions of Solas with hair?

 

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From what I saw in DAI, it seems like a lot of the ancient elves are hairless. I don't think it's an age thing...

[GloriousDame]

I started a new playthrough... Told myself that even though I was making another female elf, I was going to stay away from Solas until we get DLC. Of course, that didn't happen. 

 

And I'm glad I didn't stay away. I just heard some new Solas dialogue, when you first start getting to know him in Haven:

 

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"Is that why you joined the Inquisition?"
He typically replied with, "I joined the Inquisition because we were all in terrible danger, etc.etc." and goes on to say, "in truth, I've enjoyed experiencing more of the world outside the Fade." (paraphrasing....)And then mentions your side benefits lol

BUT this time around when my lavellan asked, "Is that why you joined the Inquisition?" he gave pretty much the same answer as that first part ^, and my Lavellan went, "ah," like she was a little disappointed, and then a second later Solas said, "Inquisitor (nice, tense pause)... that is why I joined. Not why I stayed."

AND I just lost it, I was once again squeeing alongside my Lavellan. (he also goes on to say the whole side benefit thing, like he normally would, but this is the first time I've heard him alude to my Lavellan as his reason for staying.

 

**squee**

[Oswin]

At least Solas doesn't go flying over when he gets punched like Dorian does. I can deal with his scene much better than Dorians D: he at least stands his ground and fights back with his words. Dorians just breaks my heart.
I wonder who else gets hit. I can't imagine you punch Bull. Although a dwarf trying it would make for interesting watching..

But I doubt I'll ever play as someone Solas really hates. I'm not good at finishing games where I'm a total ass. Like the trophy collecting run I did in Origins where I picked all the mean choices, romanced Leliana (who is one of my least favourite DA characters) and sent Alistair away in favour of Lohgain. I never took it to the last battle because I had sucked all the joy out with my choices xD
I don't mind being a bit of a jerk (my jerk Hawke is my Canon Hawke) but there's being a bit of a dick and then there's renegade Shep in ME3. I can't do the latter. I'm not quite as horrible as I thought.

[Ajna]

I've been trying to start another playrthrough (even though I'm not done with my second..), but I keep crashing, and after spending so much time getting everything right I'm just finding it way too frustrating atm..

[Lorien19]

So what's with the depictions of Solas with hair?

Spoiler

From what I saw in DAI, it seems like a lot of the ancient elves are hairless. I don't think it's an age thing...

My theory for this is that,

Spoiler

Uthenera is one of the reasons they're hairless.Perhaps they shave it off before they slumber for one reason or the other or the hair just falls out while they sleep.Fen'harel/Solas was in uthenera for a looong time.

[M i l k y]

I started a new playthrough... Told myself that even though I was making another female elf, I was going to stay away from Solas until we get DLC. Of course, that didn't happen. 

 

And I'm glad I didn't stay away. I just heard some new Solas dialogue, when you first start getting to know him in Haven:

 

Spoiler

"Is that why you joined the Inquisition?"
He typically replied with, "I joined the Inquisition because we were all in terrible danger, etc.etc." and goes on to say, "in truth, I've enjoyed experiencing more of the world outside the Fade." (paraphrasing....)And then mentions your side benefits lol

BUT this time around when my lavellan asked, "Is that why you joined the Inquisition?" he gave pretty much the same answer as that first part ^, and my Lavellan went, "ah," like she was a little disappointed, and then a second later Solas said, "Inquisitor (nice, tense pause)... that is why I joined. Not why I stayed."

AND I just lost it, I was once again squeeing alongside my Lavellan. (he also goes on to say the whole side benefit thing, like he normally would, but this is the first time I've heard him alude to my Lavellan as his reason for staying.

 

**squee**

 

Whaaaaaat? How do you get this extra dialogue? D:

[Aviena]

My theory for this is that,

Spoiler

Uthenera is one of the reasons they're hairless.Perhaps they shave it off before they slumber for one reason or the other or the hair just falls out while they sleep.Fen'harel/Solas was in uthenera for a looong time.

 

Yeah, I like that.

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I've also wondered whether it might be a status symbol. Slaves have facial tats, nobles shave their hair?

[Prince of Keys]

Whaaaaaat? How do you get this extra dialogue? D:

 

I think it's approval-based--I got it with my qunari mage.

[CardinalSin90]

I was reminiscing prior to Inquisition I had been thinking the Dread Wolf was the lucifer of thedas. Someone who constantly tips the scales for mere amusement and malicious pleasure. I even assumed Flemeth was the Dread Wolf.
Heh how things have turned out to be

[GloriousDame]

Whaaaaaat? How do you get this extra dialogue? D:

I did a lot of things in the Hinterlands before I opened up this tree. I played as though they spent a while in the Hinterlands because it's just more efficient that way instead of traveling back and forth to Haven, which in turn probably earned a lot of approval along the way (I haven't been looking at the approvals for this playthrough). After VR, and meeting the mages, I opened up the tree and that's what came up... So I'm guessing if his approval rate is high enough, he'll say that.

 

I've been trying to start another playrthrough (even though I'm not done with my second..), but I keep crashing, and after spending so much time getting everything right I'm just finding it way too frustrating atm..

That really sucks! I'm glad I won't get the PC version for a while.

 

At least Solas doesn't go flying over when he gets punched like Dorian does. I can deal with his scene much better than Dorians D: he at least stands his ground and fights back with his words. Dorians just breaks my heart.
I wonder who else gets hit. I can't imagine you punch Bull. Although a dwarf trying it would make for interesting watching..
 

D: I didn't know you could punch Dorian--why would anybody? He's a sweetheart!

[GloriousDame]

I think it's approval-based--I got it with my qunari mage.

 

I think I'll headcanon it as, if he's talking to a non-romance character, that he belieeeeeeves in the Inquisitor. And for a female elf, he's come to fancy her (and believes in her, too, of course). 

[M i l k y]

I did a lot of things in the Hinterlands before I opened up this tree. I played as though they spent a while in the Hinterlands because it's just more efficient that way instead of traveling back and forth to Haven, which in turn probably earned a lot of approval along the way (I haven't been looking at the approvals for this playthrough). After VR, and meeting the mages, I opened up the tree and that's what came up... So I'm guessing if his approval rate is high enough, he'll say that.

 

That really sucks! I'm glad I won't get the PC version for a while.

 

D: I didn't know you could punch Dorian--why would anybody? He's a sweetheart!

 

Ahh! Good to know. I tend to exhaust all the dialogue options straight away with Solas because he's just so irresistable. If holding off for a bit unlocks more dialogue, I shall do that in future.

[Hedinve]

I'll just chime in a little bit when it comes to playing a "bad" character, this is my field of interest atm as I'm partly writing about players as moral agents in computer games. There's several ways to approach a rpg and combinations of these too ofc. Many of us self insert, self insert and improve or play with being someone completely different from your normal self. The nice thing about doing "bad" characters is that you get to know the dark side of yourself in a really safe environment, you can save and reload or just go with it. It let's us play with moral choices and ethics in a way you couldn't otherwise. If you play a "good" character you explore your preferred choices, which is also good. So any way of rp'ing the game is good for you, but a lot of us, myself included self insert to such a degree that choosing renegade feels wrong. To me, that makes computer games so amazing, it triggers self awareness and may even fine tune your moral sense if there is such a thing. 

 

*slap on some Heidegger and thesis done* or maybe not...

[CardinalSin90]

I'll just chime in a little bit when it comes to playing a "bad" character, this is my field of interest atm as I'm partly writing about players as moral agents in computer games. There's several ways to approach a rpg and combinations of these too ofc. Many of us self insert, self insert and improve or play with being someone completely different from your normal self. The nice thing about doing "bad" characters is that you get to know the dark side of yourself in a really safe environment, you can save and reload or just go with it. It let's us play with moral choices and ethics in a way you couldn't otherwise. If you play a "good" character you explore your preferred choices, which is also good. So any way of rp'ing the game is good for you, but a lot of us, myself included self insert to such a degree that choosing renegade feels wrong. To me, that makes computer games so amazing, it triggers self awareness and may even fine rune your moral sense if there is such a thing.

*slap on some Heidegger and thesis done* or maybe not...

I agree. I cant seem to play bad characters..it gives me this nauseating feeling and guilt even though its just a game :/ I tried playing DA2 rivalry with anders..the first scene itself made me want to delete my character.

[Hedinve]

A friend of mine loves going renegade if that is an option and says he reinforces his self image of never being able to do anything like it in rl, and I believe him. I can make Vivienne dislike me in this game for instance, but I tend to go for the redeemer path, no executions or letting my companions kill anyone. I let Solas kill the mages in one save, but it felt kind of icky.

[Dermain]

D: I didn't know you could punch Dorian--why would anybody? He's a sweetheart!

 

You're asking that question on this forum?

 

The two most asked questions are "Can we romance it?" and "Can we kill it?", but they're usually not in that order.

 

Ahh! Good to know. I tend to exhaust all the dialogue options straight away with Solas because he's just so irresistable. If holding off for a bit unlocks more dialogue, I shall do that in future.

 

I tend to wait for most dialogue options (mostly because I'm lazy after the first complete playthrough), and some of them do change depending on your approval.

 

I'll just chime in a little bit when it comes to playing a "bad" character, this is my field of interest atm as I'm partly writing about players as moral agents in computer games. There's several ways to approach a rpg and combinations of these too ofc. Many of us self insert, self insert and improve or play with being someone completely different from your normal self. The nice thing about doing "bad" characters is that you get to know the dark side of yourself in a really safe environment, you can save and reload or just go with it. It let's us play with moral choices and ethics in a way you couldn't otherwise. If you play a "good" character you explore your preferred choices, which is also good. So any way of rp'ing the game is good for you, but a lot of us, myself included self insert to such a degree that choosing renegade feels wrong. To me, that makes computer games so amazing, it triggers self awareness and may even fine tune your moral sense if there is such a thing. 

 

*slap on some Heidegger and thesis done* or maybe not...

 

It's a "safe environment" yes, but what happens if you enjoy the "dark side" too much?

 

That's something that should be researched, but I have a feeling it will support the null hypothesis in most cases.

[TheComfyCat]

So what's with the depictions of Solas with hair?
 

Spoiler

From what I saw in DAI, it seems like a lot of the ancient elves are hairless. I don't think it's an age thing...

Seems like people are going off his concept art. Personally, I prefer his bald look. I think it's more subtle, and thus more suited to his character.

[Hedinve]

As I'm a (wanna-be)philosopher, thankfully I may stay in the realm of theory, but there was a paper published not long ago that claimed violent people seek out violent media, it may reinforce your twisted sides but games will not teach you violence. Bodily, computer games teach you to push buttons on a keyboard or a controller, they do not teach you to kill. I support this, but "normal" people will behave "normal". As long as the enjoyment of "evil" is contained to games, I don't think it poses a problem either. Sometimes being bad is just plain fun and that's fine. 

[herkles]

I wonder when do you suppose we might hear about the first story dlc, christmas?

 

I'll just chime in a little bit when it comes to playing a "bad" character, this is my field of interest atm as I'm partly writing about players as moral agents in computer games. There's several ways to approach a rpg and combinations of these too ofc. Many of us self insert, self insert and improve or play with being someone completely different from your normal self. The nice thing about doing "bad" characters is that you get to know the dark side of yourself in a really safe environment, you can save and reload or just go with it. It let's us play with moral choices and ethics in a way you couldn't otherwise. If you play a "good" character you explore your preferred choices, which is also good. So any way of rp'ing the game is good for you, but a lot of us, myself included self insert to such a degree that choosing renegade feels wrong. To me, that makes computer games so amazing, it triggers self awareness and may even fine tune your moral sense if there is such a thing. 

 

*slap on some Heidegger and thesis done* or maybe not...

my issue when it comes to playing 'bad' or 'evil' characters is that it basically is just crazy pyscho. Not to mention most people tend to not view themselves as evil, Loghain thought what he was doing was in protection of Fereldan as an example. 

[Mims]

So what's with the depictions of Solas with hair?

 

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From what I saw in DAI, it seems like a lot of the ancient elves are hairless. I don't think it's an age thing...

 

They come from the dragon age art book.

 

I like both options, personally! I think having Solas with hair is a good marker for when this is supposed to be Fen'Harel-Solas from the old days. 

[Cosmia]

As I'm a (wanna-be)philosopher, thankfully I may stay in the realm of theory, but there was a paper published not long ago that claimed violent people seek out violent media, it may reinforce your twisted sides but games will not teach you violence. Bodily, computer games teach you to push buttons on a keyboard or a controller, they do not teach you to kill. I support this, but "normal" people will behave "normal". As long as the enjoyment of "evil" is contained to games, I don't think it poses a problem either. Sometimes being bad is just plain fun and that's fine. 

It's very interesting to read your perspective on this. Thanks for sharing!

[Eivuwan]

They come from the dragon age art book.

 

I like both options, personally! I think having Solas with hair is a good marker for when this is supposed to be Fen'Harel-Solas from the old days. 

 

I'm glad they didn't go with the other more masculine facial types though. It's too typical.

[Tielis]

I let him kill the mages. My card was still the white wolf even when he had left forever. So kinda hopeful things might not be so bad.

 

I'm really hoping that this is not a bug, though.  

[amranthe]

Re: freckles: Why does everyone think having freckles means you have to be a redhead? I have freckles and I'm a natural blonde. And I don't see why brunettes couldn't have them either.

 

I have a really hard time picturing Solas with hair... but if I had to, I think it's white or white-blond, mostly because I see his wolf form as also being white.

[MadameQuizzy]

Okay, so this might have already been said and in this case I hope you can forgive me, I just have all this stuff in my head after finishing the game and a lot of thoughts and one thing especially that I noticed after seeing this clip about 

 

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Warden!Alistair talking about the Hero of Ferelden . In which he mentions that the Hero went "far into the West" to investigate the Calling and possible ways to cure it. Far into the west, huh? Sound familiar? Somebody else being last seen going far west?

 

But there's more: Solas has a specific conversation in party banter with Blackwall where they talk about Blights. Solas asks what happens if they have slain all the archdemons if that will end all the Blights (against 2:30ish) and Blackwall gets annoyed and all what do you want from me and Solas is basically "ahh I hope they are correct [that slaying all archdemons ends the Blights]". That sounds to me like Solas knows more about Blights than he gave away, especially considering his tone of voice. 

 

So, what started the Blights was according to legends that the magisters entered the Golden City in the Fade (through blood magic), turned it Black, were cast out and brought the Blight upon the world. The now Black City sits in the Fade, unreachable, no matter where you are in the Fade. 

 

What if - please stay with me - the Golden/Black City was not created as a place for afterlife of the Maker's believers, but as a resting place for the Creators? I was searching through the DA wiki to find something along those lines and yep: "However, elven belief holds that the Fade, or Beyond as it is known to the elves, is considered a holy place and the gods are trapped there in the "Eternal City." So the Creators resided in the Golden City is basically the conclusion?

 

So.. the ancient magisters that entered the Golden City and turned it black were worshippers of the Old Gods. Given the hints at ancient wars and the duality of the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, maybe the Forgotten Ones are the equivalent to the Old Gods? Which were of course imprisoned underground. 

 

According to Chantry teachings the Tevinter mages were lured into the Fade by an Old God, Dumat. After the assault on the Golden City the Blight was created and the Old Gods remained in underground prisons, where then occasionally Darkspawn find them and awaken them.

 

Which brings me to the question of who sealed them away - the Maker, or, maybe Solas? (YEAH I KNOW this is getting as blasphemic as it gets, sorry Andrastians) - might Solas have sealed away both Creators and Forgotten Ones!Old Gods to prevent further war and slavery after the assault on the Golden City? Or might he have banned the Creators from the Eternal/Golden City and the Forgotten Ones/Old Gods to their prisons underground in the first place? I personally think the latter is more likely/plausible. Corypheus says the Black City was empty when they entered, maybe that was because the Creators had already been sealed away by Solas? 

 

Considering that the Old Gods cause a Calling by "singing" (Keiran says the song stops after Flemythal takes his Old God soul) and one of the ancient Tevinter magisters was able to recreate a kind of Calling himself (ohai Coryphebutt), is the Blight the effect of the assault on the Golden City or was it maybe even the cause (meaning that the magisters were the first ones to ever hear the Calling)? Would it really mean that the Calling stops when all archdemons are defeated or might the Calling have a different origin? Will we see more of the Calling in the future?

 

Well and then there's also this: 

 

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Solas had given his orb to Corypheus, too weak to use it after his slumber, yet why, I wonder? Solas is not stupid, he knows Corypheus is bad news, yet he also says at one point in the game that he had never thought "a Tevinter mage could unlock its true power" - so what did he give him the orb for then? To maybe tear open a veil between the worlds so that the Creators he locked away could be free again but then he underestimated Cory's hunger for power and the tear extended into the physical world? Or did he give it to him in the very beginning, so that Corypheus and the other Tevinter magisters managed to access the Fade physically, hoping they could undo Solas' doing? (there are some hints in DAI at least that say that no one ever managed to access the Fade physically after them, not with all the blood magic they could think of, and even only the Inquisitor can do it with the help of the mark which was an extension of the orb - which would mean the Tevinter magisters would have needed some kind of catalyst = the orb???) Maybe then Corypheus misused/lost? the orb, was cast out of the Black City, the first Blight happened, Solas went to sleep again, searching for new wisdom to undo his doing and only yet awakened when he realized Corypheus was no longer imprisoned but once again in possession of his orb? Ughhh I feel nothing of this whole "gave his orb to that evil magister with the bad intentions" makes sense to me. At ALL.

 

Okay. So now that I wrote it all down I'm slightly more confused than before    I hope it's not the tenth version of the same old same old, if it is please forgive me, I checked the FAQ and last pages in this forum and didn't find anything specifically related to the Calling yet this thread moves faaaast so it's totally possible that all of this has been said and debunked before. 

 

...I'm gonna go now and think about reasons not to write Solas fics