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[zambixi]

Here's another Teh Nazzy video with a Cole choice I could never do :'c

Dragon Age Inquisition: Refusing Cole:

And in an attempt to keep this Solas related, here's a question for you guys.
What do you think Solas thinks of human and elf relations?
Elves don't populate anywhere near the amount humans do, and when an elf has a child with a human that child is pretty much human. For someone who believes the loss of Elven culture is such a bad thing inter-species breeding can definitely be a serious. I adore Solas but in all honesty I agree more with Sera about how the different species(races?) should be handled. You're all people, no matter ears or horns or whatever. Solas's view on how elves should be treated always came off a bit Malcolm X-y to me. He wants them to have their distinct culture and heritage separate from humans, dwarves, and qunari. Hmm, now I'm rambling, what do you guys think?

I'm on my phone so I can't write a lengthy response, but I think Sera's opinions are a bit flawed...she doesn't actually seem to want elves and humans to peacefully co-exist or mingle; she wants elves to adopt the dominant human culture. To me that is very, very wrong. If an elf has a child with another race, that child is not elven. Literally. They will not experience being an elf, even if they are raised as such. People will treat then differently, and all evidence suggests that half-elves retain none of the physical/magical traits of the elves.

On an individual level, people should do whatever they want. I think Solas sees it in the same way (he supports Blackwall x Lavellan). But in a broad sense? Suggesting elves and humans intermingle is going to result in the loss of elven culture. They need their own space.

[Spankatola]

So did I just watch him . . . eat Flemeth's soul or something?

[kalasaurus]

OMG, guys... GUYS....

 

I was doing the "All New, Faded For Her" quest, and when they were talking to the mages, a pack of wolves attacked in the middle of the cutscene!  I saw wolves attacking in the background and heard fighting/wolf noises the the whole time.  It really ruined the drama of the moment as I was laughing my a** off XD

 

[Alan Rickman]

So did I just watch him . . . eat Flemeth's soul or something?

 

My personal opinion is that Flemeth willingly sacrificed herself to give Solas more mojo for an as of now unknown reason. But there's several theories floating around on what exactly happened in that scene.

[Lorien19]

OMG, guys... GUYS....

I was doing the "All New, Faded For Her" quest, and when they were talking to the mages, a pack of wolves attacked in the middle of the cutscene! I saw wolves attacking in the background and heard fighting/wolf noises the the whole time. It really ruined the drama of the moment as I was laughing my a** off XD

Good grief!This is just awesome...Seriously that wolf glitch is priceless.I had some of them following my party for a while but not attacking us,but would attack the bandits nevertheless.When I reloaded they were gone through.

[Birdy]

Lol. I had Cassandra constantly being hit by arrows and she used the last potion to heal herself. Stupid woman thought it was a great time to talk, in the middle of fighting.

[NeverlandHunter]

Sure, I'll open this can of worms  
 
I remember when Solas was first announced as a female elf-only romance option, and we were trying to eliminate the possibility that he might just be kind of racist.  Having played the game now, knowing who he really is, he's definitely a bit prejudiced against the other races, at least on a macro level.  My best friend refers to the friendship version of his balcony scene as his "racist compliment speech" since he effectively calls humans smelly barbarians, then adds that at least the Inquisitor isn't like that 
 
And I think that may extend to his opinion of elf/non-elf pairs.  Not necessarily for purposes of procreation, but as just another sign of how far the People have diverged from how he remembers them.  But Solas is a fairly complicated character who contradicts himself a lot as he tries to navigate this strange new world.  I think on a couple-by-couple, individual level, he would feel a lot of empathy for people in love regardless of race.  On a big picture level, especially with regard to the elves, he may have more objections.

I agree with Solas being a bit prejudice! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. As awesome as a character Solas is, he definitely is very flawed, and I love him for it! It leaves him room to grow and develop, especially since he has a certain willingness to take in new ideas.

[Nhadalie]

I had to skip through the dialogue with Vivienne after allying with the mages my second time around by hitting esc.  It actually got under my skin (especially when she comments on the "freedom" of the Dalish- what a b*tch).  Bioware did a really good job of making a character you can loathe, lol.

Vivienne is much nicer to a Trevelyan mage. She actually kind of mothers them a little. And one of your potential teachers/mentors was her friend.

 

I think it's great that you have to play different characters to get along with everyone. It's more realistic. I can just image mage Lavellan having all sorts of snarky comments to Viv during her banters with Solas.

 

 

Honestly, from what I've seen the only character who doesn't really change much depending on your race is Solas. He sees your spirit more than you physically, unless you're Dalish. Though some of the scenes with a friendship with Trevelyan, make it seem like he's attracted to the Quizzy's spirit regardless of race. And almost like he struggles with it. It would be interesting to see in a fanfic. Solas laying on the respect really heavily, and the Quizzy looking confused "You took me out to a balcony.. to say you really deeply respect me? Weird!"

[Sine_Amore]

Honestly, I feel like Solas is pretty equally prejudiced. He's not happy if your Lavellan clings to tightly to her Dalish ways. In fact, he outright disapproves most times. I don't think it's the 'race' part he has problem so much as the 'ignorance' part. He does concede that the Dalish only "remember fragments of fragments" but it is more than most. If the elves can't even keep their stories straight, how could the others?

 

That being said, he comes from another time. An adjustment period is necessary and he seems more than open to new information.

[Tai]

Having played the game now, knowing who he really is, he's definitely a bit prejudiced against the other races, at least on a macro level.  My best friend refers to the friendship version of his balcony scene as his "racist compliment speech" since he effectively calls humans smelly barbarians, then adds that at least the Inquisitor isn't like that 

 

 

I have to admit to cackling at the consternation he must be feeling at having a human acquire the Anchor. 

[Avejajed]

I saw a video today where Cassandra gets drunk because she hates the inquisitor and it was SO SAD U GUYS.

 

Ah, Youtube.

 

IN other news I"m done with running around today so I can stay for awhile and chat. Thank the maker for this thread getting me through work.

[Seregwen]

My personal opinion is that Flemeth willingly sacrificed herself to give Solas more mojo for an as of now unknown reason. But there's several theories floating around on what exactly happened in that scene.

I also subscribe to this theory. Let's hope she has another horcrux laying around somewhere, because I love that woman.

[MadameQuizzy]

I saw a video today where Cassandra gets drunk because she hates the inquisitor and it was SO SAD U GUYS.

 

Ah, Youtube.

 

IN other news I"m done with running around today so I can stay for awhile and chat. Thank the maker for this thread getting me through work.

 

oh you mean this one?

 

I think this is exactly how my Lavellan will be like when she sees Solas again in a DLC. She can hang out with Cass and drunk!Alistair from DA2.

[Sine_Amore]

Stayed up until 4 in the morning writing last night--yes, a Solavellan thing. Then my hubby got up and had puppy dog eyes. "When are you coming to bed?" Time to turn back on the overly, suspiciously sappy Pandora station and get some writing done and chat with you fine people. n.n

[Spankatola]

I also subscribe to this theory. Let's hope she has another horcrux laying around somewhere, because I love that woman.

 

Interesting. That look they shared...weird. Anyway, I guess there's always Morrigan's body?

[vertigomez]

Well, he does tell Sera that it's "natural that she should desire another elf" (if Sera is in a romance with Lavellan). Does this mean that on some level he feels that it's unnatural to desire a human, dwarf, or qunari? I wonder...

At any rate, Solas is an intelligent, thoughtful, and kind person who knows first hand that the heart wants what the heart wants... lol.

[NeverlandHunter]

I'm on my phone so I can't write a lengthy response, but I think Sera's opinions are a bit flawed...she doesn't actually seem to want elves and humans to peacefully co-exist or mingle; she wants elves to adopt the dominant human culture. To me that is very, very wrong. If an elf has a child with another race, that child is not elven. Literally. They will not experience being an elf, even if they are raised as such. People will treat then differently, and all evidence suggests that half-elves retain none of the physical/magical traits of the elves.
On an individual level, people should do whatever they want. I think Solas sees it in the same way (he supports Blackwall x Lavellan). But in a broad sense? Suggesting elves and humans intermingle is going to result in the loss of elven culture. They need their own space.

There is no doubt Sera's opinions are somewhat flawed, but on that note, so are Solas's. Your history, heritage, and traditions should be respected and remembered, but never used as something that will tie you down or prevent you from being with someone. Solas lives too much in the past (as to be expected considering his circumstances) and it will continue to cause him a lot of problems. The way he looks down on Sera for not being elfy isn't a good thing. He pities her for not having elven culture when she is happy (if not a bit unsure) about who she is. The elves are treated horribly, but why would separating them from humans change that? The Dalish prove that separation breeds ignorance and that creates fear and mistrust. I dislike the dwarves of Orzammar because they are too set in their traditionalist views. Sera and Varric both have personalies and views that I think are the key for a better and more unified future between species.

[zambixi]

Well, he does tell Sera that it's "natural that she should desire another elf" (if Sera is in a romance with Lavellan). Does this mean that on some level he feels that it's unnatural to desire a human, dwarf, or qunari? I wonder...

At any rate, Solas is an intelligent, thoughtful, and kind person who knows first hand that the heart wants what the heart wants... lol.

And then Sera is all, "no I thought I wouldn't like her because she's an elf but it worked out." They're both kind of racist...

Does he have any race-specific banter of Lavellan romances a non-elf? I can't remember. Also realized Solas is one of the few companions that does not offer to give their opinions on other companions. You can ask almost anyone else about everyone else but you can only really talk to Solas about Fade stuff.

[Sah291]

That's an interesting point,yet I believe that he makes a comment when Cole says something about the inquisitor and her li.In my case it was a female Lavellan with Cullen and Cole said something like them embracing(Sorry I don't remember the exact quote)and Solas said "how could they not?" Which I found pretty sweet of him.
Also he never confronted my quizie for dating a shem,which brings pretty much validates what you said about him kind of contradicting himself.

I think he seems to contradict himself a lot on this is because he wants to restore the past, but not everything about the past. Some things (like slavery for instance) should be left in the past, but there are often things lost to history that should be remembered. So it's not black and white. Watch the convo you have after the temple of Mythal where he asks what you'll do with the power from the well. He approves when you say you'll try to put things back the way they were, but not exactly...

[caridounette]

I adore Solas but in all honesty I agree more with Sera about how the different species(races?) should be handled. You're all people, no matter ears or horns or whatever. Solas's view on how elves should be treated always came off a bit Malcolm X-y to me. He wants them to have their distinct culture and heritage separate from humans, dwarves, and qunari. Hmm, now I'm rambling, what do you guys think?

 

Well to me it all comes back to the '1000 years old' situation.

 

When Solas talks about individuals, hes able to 'zoom in' on the moment. He wants freedom and self-determination for all, he hears the plight of the little people.

 

But he inevitably (as the romance saddly shows us) reverts to 'zooming out' of the moment. Where races and ideals are nothing but big blocks of different shapes colliding violently with each other.

 

Thats what he has to endure, 'immortality' , never really connecting with the moment for long.  I dont think that aspect of the character was made to be relatable at all.

 

It would be like living our day-to-day lives with thoughts of how the French Revolution could have been so much more if only something-something... I mean its a pretty alien view to us to factor in things of that nature.

 

Sera is the perfect opposite. She lives in the moment, hence people are just 'people' no matter where they come from. She is the most irresponsible and never grows up. She puts people in danger for s**t and giggles. But she has the most 'progressive' views on living and letting your neighbourg live.  

[Sine_Amore]

Well to me it all comes back to the '1000 years old' situation.

 

When Solas talks about individuals, hes able to 'zoom in' on the moment. He wants freedom and self-determination for all, he hears the plight of the little people.

 

But he inevitably (as the romance saddly shows us) reverts to 'zooming out' of the moment. Where races and ideals are nothing but big blocks of different shape colliding violently with each other.

 

Thats what he has to endure, 'immortality' , never really connecting with the moment for long.  I dont think that aspect of the character was made to be relatable at all.

 

It would be like living our day-to-day lives with thoughts of how the French Revolution could have been so much more if only something-something... I mean its a pretty pretty alien view to us to factor in things of that nature.

 

Sera is the perfect opposite. She lives in the moment, hence people are just 'people' no matter where they come from. She is the most irresponsible and never grows up. She puts people in danger for s**t and giggles. But she has the most 'progressive' views on living and letting your neighbourg live.  

Unless your neighbor likes punching down on the little people...

[Abelas Forever!]

I just came here to confess that I had to stop my playthrough where I'm romancing Cullen with my human mage because I wanted to experience eveything with Solas again. My first playthrough was rushed because I wanted to know what happens and then I thought that it would be better to romance Cullen and wait for the DLC. (I believe that there will be a DLC which happens after the main events and I'm really hoping that there are some romantic moments with Solas) Even though Cullen romance is very lovely I just didn't want to experience all the new areas without romancing Solas. I just think that the elven inquisitor should acquire all the power and whatever she can because maybe that way she can also help Solas.

[Nhadalie]

So, I'm now officially writing a heavy drinking scene. With Cass in it.

 

Actually, most of the characters are funny when drinking.. Maybe they'll have a party after the big bad. The only one who'd be left out would be Cole. "Everyone hurts, but the drink makes it quieter. Makes them forget for a little while. Why?"

 

Well, he does tell Sera that it's "natural that she should desire another elf" (if Sera is in a romance with Lavellan). Does this mean that on some level he feels that it's unnatural to desire a human, dwarf, or qunari? I wonder...

At any rate, Solas is an intelligent, thoughtful, and kind person who knows first hand that the heart wants what the heart wants... lol.

I suspect that Solas is a little racist. He seems to view most other people in general as being terrible. He's "grim and fatalistic" remember?

 

The first couple times I got the balcony scene with a Trevelyan, I may have been making eyes at him. But seriously, they go to her quarters to chat about how unique the Quizzy is, and how much he respects her. It feels like there's a little romantic tension. Enough so that I keep expecting Quizzy's love interest to pop in, wondering what's going on.

 

It's almost like the Quizzy blows it off because it's the bald fade nerd elf in his pajammies. If it were anyone else, she'd be wondering what he meant by "respect". "I DEEPLY respect you. So much so that I want to be alone with you. In your private quarters. On the balcony. While talking about the fact that you're special."

 

It may be different in other cases, but I just.. I can't bring Solas to hate me. I always go friendship path with him.

[zambixi]

There is no doubt Sera's opinions are somewhat flawed, but on that note, so are Solas's. Your history, heritage, and traditions should be respected and remembered, but never used as something that will tie you down or prevent you from being with someone. Solas lives too much in the past (as to be expected considering his circumstances) and it will continue to cause him a lot of problems. The way he looks down on Sera for not being elfy isn't a good thing. He pities her for not having elven culture when she is happy (if not a bit unsure) about who she is. The elves are treated horribly, but why would separating them from humans change that? The Dalish prove that separation breeds ignorance and that creates fear and mistrust. I dislike the dwarves of Orzammar because they are too set in their traditionalist views. Sera and Varric both have personalies and views that I think are the key for a better and more unified future between species.

Respectfully disagree. Sera and Varric have views that will lead to a world that is further dominated by humans and human culture. Neither of them retain any of the cultural identities of their people. Which is fine for them personally. I don't think either should be forced to adopt a culture they do not feel connected to. I disagree with the Dwarven system of declaring surface dwarves to be casteless, and I don't like the divisive attitudes of the Dalish, but...

I think they have a right to their own culture and their own space to express that culture outside of the influence of the hegemonic human culture.

[nightwolf667]

So writing Flemythal giving Solas **** is giving me life right now, especially if she reverts to talking about him like he's Morrigan after he... well... A little piece from what I'm working on. This may be because I refuse to believe she is.. well.. I can't give up on her. Too much fun.

 

Spoiler

Parents approached to claim their wayward children and Solas came with them. Here, he could eavesdrop without fear. Curiosity compelled him to know what was said and linger near her, even if this was just a faded memory, just a shadow. To take a place where he might have been.

In another world…

A cackle cut through his thoughts. Abelas doesn’t seem so concerned about other worlds, I believe he is quite focused on the now.

Be silent!

Where would the fun in that be, dear boy?