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[kalasaurus]

I'm not so sure about that theory, although it isn't a bad one!

 

The main issue is there's just too many god spirits transferring all over the place for it to be meaningful. We're already playing musical chairs with Urthemiel's spirit. If Mythal wanted to rebirth herself, then presumably she had a ton of time to orchestrate this without Solas's help. 

 

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There was a fairly lengthy theory on reddit the other day that I've been mulling over quite a bit. Essentially: there are seven old gods and nine elven gods. But thanks to Inquisition, we now know that there are at least seven elven gods trapped. That seems too big of a coincidence not to match up. Then we also have the fact that Solas dislikes the Grey Wardens, and dislikes the idea of killing the old gods. 

 

The theory floating around is that, for some reason, the elven god spirits might be the old gods. Which means that we've killed off the majority of them. There's only two left underground, Solas, and possibly the purified soul of Urthemiel. Its very possible that the world might suffer huge consequences if all the old gods/elven gods were to die.

 

Which is why Mythal is the one who ends up getting absorbed by Solas- she's already dead, at least in one sense. Solas can't afford to risk his own life. 

 

I don't necessarily believe it completely, but it has had me thinking. It all seems to match up too well. 

 

Oooh... that's very interesting, actually.

 

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Though, if it's true, wouldn't it be possible for Mythal's spirit to perhaps reincarnate through this "Dark Ritual" between Solas and Lavellan.  Maybe?  Through her essence which Solas absorbed, she can be reborn?

 

I'm not very good at theories, sorry >.>

[Sine_Amore]

To add, I picked the bottom option when speaking to Solas after the

 

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fade kiss scene and my Lavellan said something like, "If I'm pushing you into this and you're uncomfortable..."  And he tells her that isn't the case at all.  You can tell he really wants to be with her as well, but he's concerned for varopis reasons.  I don't think he ever would've "come on" to her if she hadn't initiated the first kiss.  Even if he had feelings for her, he never would have acted on them unless she gave him an indication that she felt the same way.  It's like when Sera romances an elf and he doesn't deny that he also "fancies" her.  He just avoids it altogether.  So to call Solas' hesitation as him being "uninterested" in her just doesn't make sense to me.

Same here. I picked this option and got the same response.

[Brass_Buckles]

Oooh... that's very interesting, actually.

 

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Though, if it's true, wouldn't it be possible for Mythal's spirit to perhaps reincarnate through this "Dark Ritual" between Solas and Lavellan.  Maybe?  Through her essence which Solas absorbed, she can be reborn?

 

I'm not very good at theories, sorry >.>

 

That was the theory I posted, basically, that Solas, when he no longer needs Mythal's power, may seek to do an ancient elven ritual to put her soul into a new body--except it's not the DARK ritual, because that particular ritual involved blood magic and, I suspect, darkspawn taint (so that the OGB could attract the soul of the tainted archdemon, instead of destroying the Inquisitor).

 

What I don't know is if it might end tragically, but it definitely would explain why the only person who can romance Solas is a female Lavellan.  It would also mean Mythal would be truly back, and no longer Flemeth or Asha'bellannar.

 

I found it interesting who Flemeth turned out to be, because while feared by most humans, she seems to be very respected by the Dalish.  Perhaps because she's still elven at heart?

[Cosmia]

Alright everyone, I made the thread. Feel free to contribute with fan art or theories or gushing or whatever. 

[Brass_Buckles]

To add, I picked the bottom option when speaking to Solas after the

 

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fade kiss scene and my Lavellan said something like, "If I'm pushing you into this and you're uncomfortable..."  And he tells her that isn't the case at all.  You can tell he really wants to be with her as well, but he's concerned for varopis reasons.  I don't think he ever would've "come on" to her if she hadn't initiated the first kiss.  Even if he had feelings for her, he never would have acted on them unless she gave him an indication that she felt the same way.  It's like when Sera romances an elf and he doesn't deny that he also "fancies" her.  He just avoids it altogether.  So to call Solas' hesitation as him being "uninterested" in her just doesn't make sense to me.

 

Not only that, but Solas goes on to say in the third romance scene that Lavellan is the "only one who attracted his attention from the Fade," or something like that.  Though the meaning is ambiguous, I think that's for Lavellan's benefit.  What we, the players, are meant to realize post-game is that he means somehow Lavellan caught his attention while he was sleeping.   Add to that his loneliness, and it's no wonder he's so eager to pick up that relationship:  he was already interested.

 

Edited to add:  So basically the romance seems to be something he has wanted all along.  If he figures out she's interested, too, well... from watching her from the Fade he probably already feels he knows her.  And, again, he's lonely and may be more impulsive than he would be otherwise.  It certainly doesn't take him long to say he's in love.  If he were watching from the Fade, he could have already fallen in love by that point--but it would be super-awkward of him to just up and tell the Inquisitor that in the Fade scene, wouldn't it?

[amranthe]

Sooo I was making a new female elf inquisitor because, duh, and I suddenly realized my inquisitor looks a LOT like Julianne Moore. Probably the red hair, but even the bone structure is like spot on imo. Might be hard to see in my screen cap though.

 

http://www.imdb.com/.../?ref_=tt_cl_t2

 

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Sorry that has nothing to do with Solas other than Julianne Moore better not steal my Solas

[RynJ]

Not only that, but Solas goes on to say in the third romance scene that Lavellan is the "only one who attracted his attention from the Fade," or something like that.  Though the meaning is ambiguous, I think that's for Lavellan's benefit.  What we, the players, are meant to realize post-game is that he means somehow Lavellan caught his attention while he was sleeping.   Add to that his loneliness, and it's no wonder he's so eager to pick up that relationship:  he was already interested.

 

I still don't think that's what he meant by that line.

[kalasaurus]

That was the theory I posted, basically, that Solas, when he no longer needs Mythal's power, may seek to do an ancient elven ritual to put her soul into a new body--except it's not the DARK ritual, because that particular ritual involved blood magic and, I suspect, darkspawn taint (so that the OGB could attract the soul of the tainted archdemon, instead of destroying the Inquisitor).

 

What I don't know is if it might end tragically, but it definitely would explain why the only person who can romance Solas is a female Lavellan.  It would also mean Mythal would be truly back, and no longer Flemeth or Asha'bellannar.

 

I found it interesting who Flemeth turned out to be, because while feared by most humans, she seems to be very respected by the Dalish.  Perhaps because she's still elven at heart?

 

 

Yes, I meant that both theories could work together.  I wasn't very articulate about it, my bad.

[Mims]

I suppose its possible, but there's still a lot of ifs about the whole situation that we don't know yet. For instance, we don't know if rebirthing them really does anything.

 

I don't really think we'll see another dark ritual. It just seems too much of a plot point to put only on Lavellan. Most players are going to be humans. We could say Solas does a dark ritual with some other random elf, but there's really no reason this would ever come up in a way that the Inquisitor would find out about it. 

 

The easier answer is that Solas is limited to elves because he feels the closest to them. He hasn't had experience with many of the other races. They are his people. And as far as being limited to female only, budget. Or he's just straight. 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

My unfettered nerdiness made me answer:

It was an issue because elves only have eternal life on Arda (the world). They can be reborn under certain circumstances (if I remember correctly), but they are tied to the world, so when they die, it is a fairly deep tragedy. I would imagine that Arwen losing her immortality might also mean a true, complete and permanent death for her, but I'm not certain. Aragorn is human. They live shorter lives in the world, but they return to Eru (the supreme deity in LotR) when they die, and live there forever. So Arwen's sacrifice is a rather serious thing, and Aragorn might be the most selfish asshat ever for letting her go through with it (although I do appreciate that she actually makes an autonomous decision in this). He already gets his eternal life after his body dies. Though it makes for a rather pleasantly poignant love story. I only wish that Arwen got to have an actual personality (beyond being soooooo pretty ) to go with it.

Been a long time since I read these books, though. I may be misremembering things.

However, that does make me wonder how they will handle the immortality issue with Solas and Lavellan, assuming that there is even a scenario where they will be able to continue their relationship.

... what? I'm totes on topic. Shut up.

 

While most of this is correct I just wanted to clarify that Elrond was considered one of the half elven (peredhil). Only Elrond, his parents, his brother Elros and their descendants would get the choice to be judged with the fate of the eldar or fate of men. This was due to Elrond's father and his part with one of the silmarils; not even other half elves would get this choice. Therefore when Arwen made her choice to die she chose the fate of men, she would leave the circles of the world with Aragorn and the death of her soul would not be permanent. However Elrond and his wife etc. would never see their daughter again, not even in death at the ending of the world. Arwen and Aragorn will always be together at least.

 

You are correct though, the real tragedy was the separate afterlife of elves and men. That is why when Galadriel's brother (a full elf) Aegnor falls in love with a mortal women (Andreth) and leaves her (much like Solas leaves Lavellen) he can never be with her, even after they both ended up dying ....now that's depressing. He even refuses to be reborn and instead chooses to stay in the halls of Mandos forever because he does not wish to live in a world without her.

 

EDIT: I would also like to add that although it is a belief of the elves that they might cease to exist after the ending of Arda, they are not certain. I would like to believe that Eru is not the kind of ass that would damn them to such a fate anyway.

 

Yeah sorry about that people but when I think I find another Tolkien fan I tend to get excited. Excuse mistakes, on my phone at work <.<

[Sine_Amore]

Not only that, but Solas goes on to say in the third romance scene that Lavellan is the "only one who attracted his attention from the Fade," or something like that.  Though the meaning is ambiguous, I think that's for Lavellan's benefit.  What we, the players, are meant to realize post-game is that he means somehow Lavellan caught his attention while he was sleeping.   Add to that his loneliness, and it's no wonder he's so eager to pick up that relationship:  he was already interested.

 

Edited to add:  So basically the romance seems to be something he has wanted all along.  If he figures out she's interested, too, well... from watching her from the Fade he probably already feels he knows her.  And, again, he's lonely and may be more impulsive than he would be otherwise.  It certainly doesn't take him long to say he's in love.  If he were watching from the Fade, he could have already fallen in love by that point--but it would be super-awkward of him to just up and tell the Inquisitor that in the Fade scene, wouldn't it?

A nice sentiment, though not the impression I took from it. A very interesting idea, nevertheless. Honestly, I feel like you can take it either way: she either drew his attention from the Fade before or after waking up. I doubt he stopped being interested in the Fade simply because he woke up.

[Sine_Amore]

I think I killed the thread. qq

[Brass_Buckles]

I still don't think that's what he meant by that line.

 

Apparently in one other country it's translated so that this is precisely what he meant by that line - and they try to edit these things carefully so they don't lose meaning.

 

My suspicion is that he was trying to hint to Lavellan that, at the very least, he was an immortal elf out of uthenera.  He couldn't tell her the truth, but he could hint at it.  Whether he actually fell in love watching her from the Fade is obviously debatable, but while the idea is a little creepy in one sense (sleep-stalking, eek!--though I guess that's what elves in uthenera do, from what Felassan said about how they served as guides to other elves), I also kind of like it.  It makes his romance seem slightly less impulsive and desperate.

 

A nice sentiment, though not the impression I took from it. A very interesting idea, nevertheless. Honestly, I feel like you can take it either way: she either drew his attention from the Fade before or after waking up. I doubt he stopped being interested in the Fade simply because he woke up.

 

This is also true, and I don't disagree with you.  It could also, as a third option, be ambiguous because he means it both ways - that he watched from the Fade while sleeping, and that she can actually distract him from his interest in the Fade.  The latter might be some part of why he broke off the relationship, but obviously not all of it - he appears to believe continuing the relationship would endanger her.

[RynJ]

Apparently in one other country it's translated so that this is precisely what he meant by that line - and they try to edit these things carefully so they don't lose meaning.

 

Not trying to start an argument or anything but this doesn't prove it either. It's very possible that he meant it that way but for now, I'm not seeing it that way personally. If that's what he meant, maybe it will be made clear later.

[Sine_Amore]

Apparently in one other country it's translated so that this is precisely what he meant by that line - and they try to edit these things carefully so they don't lose meaning.

 

My suspicion is that he was trying to hint to Lavellan that, at the very least, he was an immortal elf out of uthenera.  He couldn't tell her the truth, but he could hint at it.  Whether he actually fell in love watching her from the Fade is obviously debatable, but while the idea is a little creepy in one sense (sleep-stalking, eek!--though I guess that's what elves in uthenera do, from what Felassan said about how they served as guides to other elves), I also kind of like it.  It makes his romance seem slightly less impulsive and desperate.

 

 

This is also true, and I don't disagree with you.  It could also, as a third option, be ambiguous because he means it both ways - that he watched from the Fade while sleeping, and that she can actually distract him from his interest in the Fade.  The latter might be some part of why he broke off the relationship, but obviously not all of it - he appears to believe continuing the relationship would endanger her.

Very interesting. Then I wonder why he asks what Lavellan was like before the Anchor in the second romance scene if he already knew? I wonder only because he seems genuinely curious.

[amranthe]

Very interesting. Then I wonder why he asks what Lavellan was like before the Anchor in the second romance scene if he already knew? I wonder only because he seems genuinely curious.

 

Yea personally I think people are reading too much into that "drew my interest from the Fade" line. It never even occurred to me that he was hinting at anything other than the obvious. He says "drew me from the fade" because he says this line farther in their relationship -- when they first met (at Haven and such) he was still quite obsessed with the fade. The past tense doesn't mean that long ago.

 

But people can headcanon what they will, to each their own

[Brass_Buckles]

Very interesting. Then I wonder why he asks what Lavellan was like before the Anchor in the second romance scene if he already knew? I wonder only because he seems genuinely curious.

 

That he does.

 

My thoughts on it, if the "he watched/noticed her from the Fade" thing is true, is that he couldn't actually see her actions/behavior, more her... spirit.  Or the like.  Cole does remark that it was/is bright even without the Anchor.

 

Edited to add:  And we all know how he is about anything unusual in the Fade.

 

I just made Lavellan sound like Solas's next science project.

[Sine_Amore]

Yea personally I think people are reading too much into that "drew my interest from the Fade" line. It never even occurred to me that he was hinting at anything other than the obvious. He says "drew me from the fade" because he says this line farther in their relationship -- when they first met (at Haven and such) he was still quite obsessed with the fade. The past tense doesn't mean that long ago.

 

But people can headcanon what they will, to each their own

Yeah, Solas just doesn't seem the type to ask questions when he already knows the answers.

[DarthEmpress]

Solas just doesn't strike me as the type to enter into a relationship unless he really, really feels something.  Maybe younger, arrogant, impulsive, hot-headed Solas had a string of loveless encounters, but the Solas we know now is definitely not one to take a relationship lightly.  He even

 

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asks for some time to think about their relationship after the fade kiss.  So he takes time considering if he should make a move or not after finding out she's interested.  If he didn't want to be with her, he wouldn't have kissed her back so passionately in the fade or approached her in the second romance scene.

 

I think I'm more concerned what their future will be like.  I don't think their relationship is over, but I'm worried he may not be like himself anymore, perhaps too far into a "feral, rebellious" mindset.

[GloriousDame]

Not only that, but Solas goes on to say in the third romance scene that Lavellan is the "only one who attracted his attention from the Fade," or something like that.  Though the meaning is ambiguous, I think that's for Lavellan's benefit.  What we, the players, are meant to realize post-game is that he means somehow Lavellan caught his attention while he was sleeping.   Add to that his loneliness, and it's no wonder he's so eager to pick up that relationship:  he was already interested.

 

Edited to add:  So basically the romance seems to be something he has wanted all along.  If he figures out she's interested, too, well... from watching her from the Fade he probably already feels he knows her.  And, again, he's lonely and may be more impulsive than he would be otherwise.  It certainly doesn't take him long to say he's in love.  If he were watching from the Fade, he could have already fallen in love by that point--but it would be super-awkward of him to just up and tell the Inquisitor that in the Fade scene, wouldn't it?

I always thought that when he says that Lavellan is the only one who attracted his attention from the Fade, he meant it as of the present... Like he could be spending more time exploring the Fade during their breaks or something, but he's more interested in her (even though when we first talk to him, he says he would never trade exploring the Fade for anything).

Never mind, you responded to a similar comment, hahaha.

ANyway, out of LIKES--but I appreciate all the positive theories you guys have, I'm just feeling a little pessimistic today, I think, haha.

[kalasaurus]

That he does.

 

My thoughts on it, if the "he watched/noticed her from the Fade" thing is true, is that he couldn't actually see her actions/behavior, more her... spirit.  Or the like.  Cole does remark that it was/is bright even without the Anchor.

 

Edited to add:  And we all know how he is about anything unusual in the Fade.

 

I just made Lavellan sound like Solas's next science project.

 

I can see it.  The "bright spirit" catching his notice thing could even be a relatively recent thing too.  While in the Fade around the time of the events of the Conclave, her spirit shines bright-- they are close to each other in the physical world, and it draws his attention back to where she is.  He'd have noticed the other Inquisitor origins too, with their bright spirits, but there was something special about fem!Lavellan that attracted him to her.

 

By the way, I really enjoy reading your theories in this thread

[Sine_Amore]

I second the previous posts. The theories are very interesting, to read and to share. Plus, it's a great distraction from the sadness. xP

[kalasaurus]

Yeah, the whole topic of Solas is just fascinating, really.  It has so much potential that there's a lot to talk about.  I'm glad to be a Solas fan.

[GloriousDame]

I second the previous posts. The theories are very interesting, to read and to share. Plus, it's a great distraction from the sadness. xP

They bring me hope... and hope is what we need right now. To paraphrase what mother Giselle said. Bet she was crushing on Solas, too.

[RynJ]

It's great isn't it? Chris Priestly wasn't joking when he said Solas would be the character with the most to talk about!