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[kalasaurus]

They bring me hope... and hope is what we need right now. To paraphrase what mother Giselle said. Bet she was crushing on Solas, too.

 

My Lavellan's first reaction to Leliana when she suggested meeting Giselle...

 

"It could be an ambush!"

[Brass_Buckles]

Speaking of!  Solas has been in the Fade a long time, and Cole is... well, he's Cole and he sees stuff human beings can't.  Do you think Solas sees things others can't, too?  I mean he talks to Cole like they totally get each other.  Like they both can see the same things...

 

We also know, from some things Kieran says if you speak to him as different Inquisitors, that Urthemiel's soul allows him to see things others can't.

 

So... Solas probably has that ability, too, right?  Maybe he wonders if the Anchor caused the Inquisitor's spirit to be so bright and strange, because he sees something that mortals aren't able.  His banter dialogue with Sera also suggests there's something more to Sera that he sees, and it may be a different thing than he sees in the Inquisitor.  I wonder if she actually is a mage who has suppressed her abilities so that they've warped into something else, for instance?  I noticed Sera points out he doesn't ask the Inquisitor similar questions, BUT, perhaps that's because the Inquisitor seems to already embrace being an elf?  Or maybe it's because whatever is special about Sera isn't special about the Inquisitor, even if the Inquisitor is also a mage.  The Inquisitor is special in a different way.

 

I still wonder about his choice of words... "Spirit," as if the Inquisitor is literally possessed by one.  Maybe he meant the spirit of faith...?  I remain uncertain.

[Renmiri1]

Ooooooh, I like your take--now I just need to find a fic that fits both song and take, to feed my Solas drug!

 

Also: Got a list of songs? :3 I'd love to see what you came up with!

heartbreaker, Dreammaker...

 

[Lorien19]

Not only that, but Solas goes on to say in the third romance scene that Lavellan is the "only one who attracted his attention from the Fade," or something like that. Though the meaning is ambiguous, I think that's for Lavellan's benefit. What we, the players, are meant to realize post-game is that he means somehow Lavellan caught his attention while he was sleeping. Add to that his loneliness, and it's no wonder he's so eager to pick up that relationship: he was already interested.

Edited to add: So basically the romance seems to be something he has wanted all along. If he figures out she's interested, too, well... from watching her from the Fade he probably already feels he knows her. And, again, he's lonely and may be more impulsive than he would be otherwise. It certainly doesn't take him long to say he's in love. If he were watching from the Fade, he could have already fallen in love by that point--but it would be super-awkward of him to just up and tell the Inquisitor that in the Fade scene, wouldn't it?

This is one of my favourite theories!

[Sine_Amore]

Speaking of!  Solas has been in the Fade a long time, and Cole is... well, he's Cole and he sees stuff human beings can't.  Do you think Solas sees things others can't, too?  I mean he talks to Cole like they totally get each other.  Like they both can see the same things...

 

We also know, from some things Kieran says if you speak to him as different Inquisitors, that Urthemiel's soul allows him to see things others can't.

 

So... Solas probably has that ability, too, right?  Maybe he wonders if the Anchor caused the Inquisitor's spirit to be so bright and strange, because he sees something that mortals aren't able.  His banter dialogue with Sera also suggests there's something more to Sera that he sees, and it may be a different thing than he sees in the Inquisitor.  I wonder if she actually is a mage who has suppressed her abilities so that they've warped into something else, for instance?  I noticed Sera points out he doesn't ask the Inquisitor similar questions, BUT, perhaps that's because the Inquisitor seems to already embrace being an elf?  Or maybe it's because whatever is special about Sera isn't special about the Inquisitor, even if the Inquisitor is also a mage.  The Inquisitor is special in a different way.

 

I still wonder about his choice of words... "Spirit," as if the Inquisitor is literally possessed by one.  Maybe he meant the spirit of faith...?  I remain uncertain.

By Spirit I always just assumed that he meant her essence, such as the essence of Spirits in the Fade. They each have a motivating factor at the heart of it. So he's just wondering if it's changed who she is at the core. My interpretation. *shrugs*

[Eivuwan]

Speaking of!  Solas has been in the Fade a long time, and Cole is... well, he's Cole and he sees stuff human beings can't.  Do you think Solas sees things others can't, too?  I mean he talks to Cole like they totally get each other.  Like they both can see the same things...

 

We also know, from some things Kieran says if you speak to him as different Inquisitors, that Urthemiel's soul allows him to see things others can't.

 

So... Solas probably has that ability, too, right?  Maybe he wonders if the Anchor caused the Inquisitor's spirit to be so bright and strange, because he sees something that mortals aren't able.  His banter dialogue with Sera also suggests there's something more to Sera that he sees, and it may be a different thing than he sees in the Inquisitor.  I wonder if she actually is a mage who has suppressed her abilities so that they've warped into something else, for instance?  I noticed Sera points out he doesn't ask the Inquisitor similar questions, BUT, perhaps that's because the Inquisitor seems to already embrace being an elf?  Or maybe it's because whatever is special about Sera isn't special about the Inquisitor, even if the Inquisitor is also a mage.  The Inquisitor is special in a different way.

 

I still wonder about his choice of words... "Spirit," as if the Inquisitor is literally possessed by one.  Maybe he meant the spirit of faith...?  I remain uncertain.

 

Maybe he can see past their physical bodies and view the essence of their spirit. Maybe that's why he keeps saying Lavellan has a marvelous spirit.

[Addai]

Speaking of!  Solas has been in the Fade a long time, and Cole is... well, he's Cole and he sees stuff human beings can't.  Do you think Solas sees things others can't, too?  I mean he talks to Cole like they totally get each other.  Like they both can see the same things...

 

We also know, from some things Kieran says if you speak to him as different Inquisitors, that Urthemiel's soul allows him to see things others can't.

 

So... Solas probably has that ability, too, right?  Maybe he wonders if the Anchor caused the Inquisitor's spirit to be so bright and strange, because he sees something that mortals aren't able.  His banter dialogue with Sera also suggests there's something more to Sera that he sees, and it may be a different thing than he sees in the Inquisitor.  I wonder if she actually is a mage who has suppressed her abilities so that they've warped into something else, for instance?  I noticed Sera points out he doesn't ask the Inquisitor similar questions, BUT, perhaps that's because the Inquisitor seems to already embrace being an elf?  Or maybe it's because whatever is special about Sera isn't special about the Inquisitor, even if the Inquisitor is also a mage.  The Inquisitor is special in a different way.

 

I still wonder about his choice of words... "Spirit," as if the Inquisitor is literally possessed by one.  Maybe he meant the spirit of faith...?  I remain uncertain.

I think he's wondering if his mark changed her somehow.

 

He does seem to have some of the abilities Cole has. He can force Cole to forget, for instance. Since that happens later in the game, I wonder if he's regaining some of his power as we go along- becoming more "real," as Cole would say.

[kalasaurus]

I assumed spirit was synonymous with "soul" in that context. 

[Cosmia]

Something I brought up in the Abelas thread- does anyone know how long it's been since the actual tricking the gods thing happened? How long does it take for body deterioration to occur when one is in uthenera? 

[Tielis]

Ooooooh, I like your take--now I just need to find a fic that fits both song and take, to feed my Solas drug!

 

Also: Got a list of songs? :3 I'd love to see what you came up with!

 

 

Lyrics

Spoiler

There's a letter on the desktop that I dug out of a drawer

The last truce we ever came to 

In our adolescent war

And I start to feel the fever 

From the warm air through the screen

You come regular like seasons

Shadowing my dreams

 

And the Mississippi's mighty

But it starts in Minnesota

At a place that you could walk across 

With five steps down

And I guess that's how you started 

Like a pinprick to my heart

But at this point you rush right through me 

And I start to drown

 

And there's not enough room 

In this world for my pain

Signals cross and love gets lost 

And time passed makes it plain

Of all my demon spirits 

I need you the most

I'm in love with your ghost

I'm in love with your ghost

 

Dark and dangerous like a secret 

That gets whispered in a hush

(don't tell a soul)

When I wake the things I dreamt about you 

Last night make me blush

(don't tell a soul)

And you kiss me like a lover 

Then you sting me like a viper

I go follow to the river 

Play your memory like a piper

 

And I feel it like a sickness 

How this love is killing me

I'd walk into the fingers 

Of your fire willingly

And dance the edge of sanity 

I've never been this close

I'm in love with your ghost

 

Unknowing captor

You never know how much you 

Pierce my spirit

But I can't touch you

Can you hear it

A cry to be free

Oh I'm forever under lock and key

As you pass through me

 

Now I see your face before me 

I would launch a thousand ships

To bring your heart back to my island 

As the sand beneath me slips

As I burn up in your presence 

And I know now how it feels

To be weakened like Achilles 

With you always at my heels

 

This bitter pill I swallow 

Is the silence that I keep

It poisons me I can't swim free 

The river is too deep

Though I'm baptized by your touch

I am no worse than most

In love with your ghost

 

You are shadowing my dreams

(In love with your ghost)

[Aviena]

When Solas asks about whether the mark changed your "spirit" at all, the phrasing is the same as it is for a human quizzy iirc. The vibe I always got from it was similar to Cole's remark about "you're real, which means everyone else could be too" - he's trying to work out whether what he sees in the Inquisitor is because of who s/he is, or because of the orb's magic. If the magic didn't affect their soul at all, and all the goodness in them happened WITHOUT the influence of the ancient elves' magic, that could be bad for him - because it means he can't write off the world so easily in his (probably) attempts to restore what came before.

[KyndredRaven]

GUYS GUYS - I penned it xD Color time! 

 

[NeverlandHunter]

I've missed a lot since I went to bed, it seems.  Like... 20+ pages a lot.  Not sure if I'll try to catch up on all of it or not.
 
Anyway, the redhead thing isn't because he has freckles, but because if you look at his eyebrows he has reddish eyebrows.  Since they likely match what his hair color would have been, he's probably a redhead.  The pale skin also suggests redhead to me--most redheads are very pale-skinned.  Even if his hair were not red, it would definitely not be a super-dark color or his eyebrows' color would suggest such.
 
In other news, I was thinking--and someone may have already come up with this theory--it's a WILD THEORY and I have to share it.  I'm going to share it in spoiler tags in case people don't care about my theories, but... it makes a lot of sense, and the more I think about it, the more sense it makes... which is kind of scary.  (Though I still doubt it'll turn out to be right).  So!  Theory:
 

Spoiler

After Solas finishes whatever he's up to, or begins it, or... whatever, he's got an extra god soul in him.  I theorize that we are going to learn that the Dark Ritual was based on an elven ritual that enabled the Creators to be reborn into new bodies if one grew feeble/injured/ill/etc.
 
Solas, once finished using Mythal's power, may ask romanced female Lavellan to conceive a child with him that will contain Mythal's soul--obviously you can refuse to do so, and if you refuse, someone else may be willing.  And you probably won't get the offer if you stand against him or don't talk him down from his Grand Plan, etc.  So, by this point we will probably know who and what Solas actually is.  It will most likely happen in post-game DLC, or an expansion (not Awakening style, but some other form of expansion, perhaps more along the lines of ME3's Citadel DLC?).  My reasoning is that Solas and Mythal likely want Mythal's soul back into an elven, potentially immortal, body, rather than a human body.  Solas will not want to carry Mythal's soul around after he's done with its power; he will want to give Mythal another chance at life.
 
One potential drawback to this is that it may be the final interaction for the Inquisitor and Solas.  Either he'll die--probably murdered--or he'll have to leave in order for the Inquisitor to remain safe from the other Creators, lest they discover that she has Baby Mythal with her.  A potential upside is that it could also mean that the Inquisitor is "siding" with Solas/Fen'Harel and Mythal, and thus Solas sticks around to help keep both safe.  If it played out that way, we may even be able to get a happy ending, apart from the likely fact that the Inquisitor remains mortal.
 
The smuttier ones among you:  This probably means that, if my theory is right, there would be a potential Solas sex scene, but only if the Inquisitor already romanced him, learns who he really is and manages to be okay with that.
 
Also, if I am right, it is why only female Lavellan can romance Solas, aside from his probably just being straight.   Elven babies WOULD factor in.  More specifically, elven god babies.  That isn't why he loves Lavellan, as we've seen, but we already knew he's pretty much just into elves.  But, storywise, if this theory turns out to be true... men can't become pregnant (except for transmen...).  Still sad for the bi/gay guys who want Solas and can't have him though.
 
It also means Mythal/Flemeth remains around in future games, just in a different form.

 
Also, will be shocked if this has never been suggested, but a lot of the Solas/Lavellan fanfic writers could totally use "Hungry Like the Wolf" as their theme song...

To this I say

Spoiler

Oh, definitely not my cup of tea. I mean I love you Solas but my Lavellan is noooot going to carry a elven god baby for you. Nonono.

And the Angel came to Mary and said,
"Do not be afraid Mary for you are most beloved by God and shall carry his son called Jesus."
And Mary said,
"Awwww HELL NO!"

I imagine Solas is a bit more satisfying than immaculate conception but I still no want no god child growing in my Lavellan's womb. No thanks. She might be Dalish but that is above her line of Elven duty.

I think the theory is very unlikely, but it would be okay by me as long as you could say no without ending it with Solas...and he is definitely not allowed to get someone else pregos!

[Avejajed]

While most of this is correct I just wanted to clarify that Elrond was considered one of the half elven (peredhil). Only Elrond, his parents, his brother Elros and their descendents would get the choice to either be judged to have the fate of the eldar or fate of men. This was due to Elrond's father and his part with one of the silmarils; not even other half elves would get this choice. Therefore when Arwen made her choice to die she chose the fate of men, she would leave the circles of the world with Aragorn and her death would not be permanent. However Elrond and his wife etc. would never see their daughter again, not even in death. Arwen and Aragorn will always be together at least.

You are correct though, the real tragedy was the seperate afterlife of elves and men. That is why when Galadriel's brother (a full elf) Aegnor falls in love with a mortal women (Andreth) and leaves her (much like Solas leaves Lavellen) he can never be with her, even after they both ended up dying ....now that's depressing.

Yeah Sorry about that people but when I think I find another Tolkien fan I tend to get excited. Excuse mistakes, on my phone at work <.<

All of the Tolkien scholars on this thread are ❤️

[Brass_Buckles]

By Spirit I always just assumed that he meant her essence, such as the essence of Spirits in the Fade. They each have a motivating factor at the heart of it. So he's just wondering if it's changed who she is at the core. My interpretation. *shrugs*

 

I had thought so, too, and I agree on the worrying that it changed her.  But, I also think that he pauses before saying "spirit," like he's searching for the right word.  He could just say "soul."  We know how he feels about the Fade and spirits, though...

 

My other thought ties into another theory I have, that elves have a special tie to the Fade (and the eluvian realm) because they are spirits, or something akin to them, themselves, but over time have become "real" because they perceive themselves as such.  As a result they've grown more complex, and less immortal, over time.

 

But that's beside the point.  Yes, I agree he's worried he changed her somehow (and I do believe he's to blame for the Anchor being a permanent fixture on the Inquisitor; it IS his, and he DID stabilize it--he may have been able to take it away, if he wanted, but instead chose to leave it with the Inquisitor and save his/her life).  But I also think he sees something very unique about her--and it's something he does tell her repeatedly, that she's unique.  Also that she's wise.  Which is... rather pointed, considering his association with a spirit of wisdom, and some theories about his possibly being a "god" due to a particularly powerful wisdom spirit that may or may not have corrupted into Pride.

 

Maybe he can see past their physical bodies and view the essence of their spirit. Maybe that's why he keeps saying Lavellan has a marvelous spirit.

 

Exactly what I was trying to get at... And if so, it would also be what he's referring to noticing from the Fade.  This would be the case even if he never knew what she was doing or saying; he'd only noticed that strange mortal spirit out there.

 

I think he's wondering if his mark changed her somehow.

 

He does seem to have some of the abilities Cole has. He can force Cole to forget, for instance. Since that happens later in the game, I wonder if he's regaining some of his power as we go along- becoming more "real," as Cole would say.

 

Yes, that he does.  He may have other abilities that we haven't seen.  It's suspected he can probably shapeshift into a wolf form.  He may also be able to take the form of a dragon like Mythal, but that's unknown.

 

I had a theory that, if whatever makes him an elven god is something akin to spirits, belief in Fen'harel would definitely influence how powerful he is.  Perhaps he's not weak because he still hasn't recovered his power, but (also?) because Fen'harel is more appeased than worshiped.  It would also influence his personality to be viewed so negatively.  Over time, he might start to become more like the Dalish view of Fen'harel, if he doesn't guide that viewpoint more toward what he wants to be seen as.

 

It's funny to me because he gets so worked up over the Chantry/Maker and certain things he does make it clear he may still think of himself as a god, as he used to--and yet he says so many other things that imply he also thinks he was wrong about that.  I'm thinking now, maybe he's uncertain, just as the Inquisitor can be so uncertain about whether he/she is the Herald of Andraste.

 

I assumed spirit was synonymous with "soul" in that context. 

 

It could be, but as I brought up above, Solas has a particular connection with spirits and the Fade.  Even if that's all he meant, there might possibly be more to it.  I can only theorize.

[arelenriel]

Something I brought up in the Abelas thread- does anyone know how long it's been since the actual tricking the gods thing happened? How long does it take for body deterioration to occur when one is in uthenera? 

Arlathan fell in 975 Ancient it can be assumed that Fen'Harel tricked the Elven Gods/started the slave rebellion within 150-200 years before the fall of Arlathan since it was that trickery and the slaughter of the Dreamers that made Elvenan vulnerable to Tevinter. To give a little perspective the Andrastian faith was introduced in 186 Ancient and the Exalted Marches against the Dalish occurred after the Second Blight in 195 Divine . So there was about a 700 year time period between the fall of Elvenan and the Freeing of the Elves and Avaar slaves by Andraste and Shartan, and the founding of the Dales and then another 700 years until the Dales fell and the elves lost their second homeland.

[Sable Rhapsody]

If the magic didn't affect their soul at all, and all the goodness in them happened WITHOUT the influence of the ancient elves' magic, that could be bad for him - because it means he can't write off the world so easily in his (probably) attempts to restore what came before.

 

I would like to see some of this come up with a non-romanced Quizzy in any potential Solas DLC too.  I know his tarot card is dramatically darker if you don't romance him; the meanings for the Tower and the Hierophant are also really, really different, and I think he's probably the character with the biggest swing in how his tarot represents him.  (Presuming, of course, that the PC actually bothers to do the companion quests when they pop up.)

 

But I'd like to see a friendship reach him on some level too, help him to realize that he can't just write off humans, qunari, and dwarves either.

[Renmiri1]

Not trying to start an argument or anything but this doesn't prove it either. It's very possible that he meant it that way but for now, I'm not seeing it that way personally. If that's what he meant, maybe it will be made clear later.

 

I think he meant "You are the only one that makes me want to be here, not on the Fade"

 

Because with Uthenera he had clearly chosen the Fade instead of the real world. But the theft of his orb forced him to go to the real world to retrieve it but if it wasn't for Lavellan nothing else would have the pull to make him want to stay. 

[Cosmia]

Arlathan fell in 975 Ancient it can be assumed that Fen'Harel tricked the Elven Gods/started the slave rebellion within 150-200 years before the fall of Arlathan since it was that trickery and the slaughter of the Dreamers that made Elvenan vulnerable to Tevinter. To give a little perspective the Andrastian faith was introduced in 186 Ancient and the Exalted Marches against the Dalish occurred after the Second Blight in 195 Divine . So there was about a 700 year time period between the fall of Elvenan and the Freeing of the Elves and Avaar slaves by Andraste and Shartan, and the founding of the Dales and then another 700 years until the Dales fell and the elves lost their second homeland.

Fantastic, thank you so much! 

[Avejajed]

To this I say

Spoiler

Oh, definitely not my cup of tea. I mean I love you Solas but my Lavellan is noooot going to carry a elven god baby for you. Nonono.

And the Angel came to Mary and said,
"Do not be afraid Mary for you are most beloved by God and shall carry his son called Jesus."
And Mary said,
"Awwww HELL NO!"

I imagine Solas is a bit more satisfying than immaculate conception but I still no want no god child growing in my Lavellan's womb. No thanks. She might be Dalish but that is above her line of Elven duty.

I think the theory is very unlikely, but it would be okay by me as long as you could say no without ending it with Solas...and he is definitely not allowed to get someone else pregos!

Haha in order to save Solas life he has to go knock up Morrigan who just so happens to know yet another dark ritual.

That whole situation would be more complicated than the Once Upon A Time family tree.

[Brass_Buckles]

I think he meant "You are the only one that makes me want to be here, not on the Fade"

 

Because with Uthenera he had clearly chosen the Fade instead of the real world. But the theft of his orb forced him to go to the real world to retrieve it but if it wasn't for Lavellan nothing else would have the pull to make him want to stay. 

 

Some believe, and the dialogue supports, that either he gave the orb to Corypheus willingly (though Cory doesn't seem to recognize him), or that he somehow made it readily available.

 

I'm uncertain he wants to go back to the Fade, because having seen his mistake, he's far too invested in repairing his mistakes.  That said, you could be right--once he's done, he may want to either die or return to uthenera, unless he's fallen in love with the Inquisitor.  In that case, there may yet be hope for us and our sad little Solas-mance with its completely lame "it's not you, it's me" excuse for a breakup...

[Renmiri1]

With over 30% of people romances being Solas I think Bioware will be nicer to us than they were with Thane or Anders

 

[Cosmia]

With over 30% of people romances being Solas I think Bioware will be nicer to us than they were with Thane or Anders

 

 

I'm kind of surprised by how low Dorian is! I haven't done his romance yet, but he's such a sweetheart brodude as a friend.

[Aviena]

My other thought ties into another theory I have, that elves have a special tie to the Fade (and the eluvian realm) because they are spirits, or something akin to them, themselves, but over time have become "real" because they perceive themselves as such.  As a result they've grown more complex, and less immortal, over time.

 

I've wondered about this too. There's a banter between Cole and Solas where they stumble across a tremor in the veil, and Solas coaches him through it - it sounds *awfully* like Solas has experienced the same issues as Cole in terms of remaining grounded in the physical world in places where the veil gets funky.

[Tielis]

I've wondered about this too. There's a banter between Cole and Solas where they stumble across a tremor in the veil, and Solas coaches him through it - it sounds *awfully* like Solas has experienced the same issues as Cole in terms of remaining grounded in the physical world in places where the veil gets funky.

 

But then why would Solas disapprove if you choose to make him more human?