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Tumblr will tumblr. I admit, I thought it was a little bit cheap, the bit about turning mage children out into the wilderness. A people that's barely hanging on population-wise would give up some of its most talented young? No, I don't buy it. I think it was added to cut off the objection that the Dalish handle magic better than the Circle.

For the rest of the revelations, I like it because it's closer to how actual history works. We don't realize how little we actually *know* about history. Turn over one stone and everything you think you know could change. This is how the real world works, so it's how good storytelling should work, if it's executed well.
 
And I'm really happy that they're developing the elven lore and not just letting the elves be background color. I was about ready to give up on the series but that brought me back.

 

Yeah, I don't like it when they add in game-changing tid bits like that because it tends to make me disengage - instead of thinking "oh, gee, that's a lousy thing for the dalish to do", I think "hmm, Bioware must want to even out the two sides of the argument here". Because really, we should have already known about that particular Dalish proclivity earlier if it was going to be a thing - as it is, it's sort of immersion breaking.



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Yeah, I don't like it when they add in game-changing tid bits like that because it tends to make me disengage - instead of thinking "oh, gee, that's a lousy thing for the dalish to do", I think "hmm, Bioware must want to even out the two sides of the argument here". Because really, we should have already known about that particular Dalish proclivity earlier if it was going to be a thing - as it is, it's sort of immersion breaking.

Especially because bioware had already shown the dalish taking in escaped elven mages, even a half blood in DA2. They have had a bit of a vendetta against the dalish recently in my opinion.
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Make-up is completely hit or miss thanks to the horrible lighting in the character creator, but protruding lips and horrible underbites should be easier to avoid. Have you been rotating your characters to check their profiles before finishing in the CC?

 

I've noticed: eyeliner, eyeshadow and lipstick look darker in the CC and lighter in the game, and blush looks light in CC and is about three times darker in-game.

 

So my first girl looks like she wears almost no makeup but is embarrassed all the time.

 

 

Yeah, that was kind of out of left field. I thought the Dalish were losing their magic and mage children were important? Honestly, it feels like it was added so Vivienne could be right about something if she was arguing with a Dalish mage.

 

I just dislike anything that gives the rabid Dalish haters on this forum any more ammunition.


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Note to self: Stay away from other threads with "Solas" in the title unless they're specifically romance related.


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Note to self: Stay away from other threads with "Solas" in the title unless they're specifically romance related.

 

Usually a very good idea. 


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Especially because bioware had already shown the dalish taking in escaped elven mages, even a half blood in DA2. They have had a bit of a vendetta against the dalish recently in my opinion.

 

I just dislike anything that gives the rabid Dalish haters on this forum any more ammunition.

 

I feel like the intent was to be anti-mage and the anti-Dalish stuff was some kind of awful bonus. They can't have a group of people who value their mages if they're going for 'mages really are that dangerous,' so they took away one of the more compassionate aspects of an already flawed group of people. It could also be feeding into Solas's 'the world is all wrong' mentality.

 

Maybe with all the elven stuff going on in the game and TME, something good will eventually come out of all of it for the elves and people will shut up about it.

 

Note to self: Stay away from other threads with "Solas" in the title unless they're specifically romance related.

 

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The "I want to kill him" people started pretty early. I'm not surprised whatever is out there now is ugly.


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Yeah, I don't like it when they add in game-changing tid bits like that because it tends to make me disengage - instead of thinking "oh, gee, that's a lousy thing for the dalish to do", I think "hmm, Bioware must want to even out the two sides of the argument here". Because really, we should have already known about that particular Dalish proclivity earlier if it was going to be a thing - as it is, it's sort of immersion breaking.

It's sort of implied in that you have a keeper's first, and now they've allowed a second, but I always just assumed that there were other mages in the clans. The elves being a magic-inclined race just makes it that much odder. They shouldn't have the same hang-ups about mages that Andrastians do. When I was roleplaying a Dalish mage in Origins, I did decide that she'd take a rather mercenary approach to abominations. She killed Connor, for instance. I reasoned that the Dalish wouldn't have access to heaps of lyrium so they'd probably just do the ironbark cure if something like that happened in the wilds. But to fear mages like the Chantry does? Strange.
 
Ah well, it was one story decision I didn't like, but the elven god stuff is so interesting that I'll take it.
 
Playing out Blackwall's romance now. I just have to ignore Solas or else I miss my elf too much.

The "I want to kill him" people started pretty early. I'm not surprised whatever is out there now is ugly.

Good. They're not going to bring him back just for a romance DLC, so the fact that other people are interested in seeing him again is good for us.

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I'm about 4/5 of the way through a Cullen romance on another character but...I can't finish it! I went and started another Lavellan. There *is* something wrong with me.


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Seriously. This scene alone made me fall in love with Solas.

Same here... I knew that cutscene quizzy got the option to kiss him but i never imagine this...Then my heart lost and ruined and doomed. :crying: It was the first playthrough and I can't devote passion to other LI anymore. My friend had better luck, she romanced Cullen first.

 

Besides, really can't get the point of those anti-Dalish. before I learned that they've got their history all wrong, I never care about Dalish too much...but what Bioware revealed in DAI just caught my interest.

 

and I always think qunari and drawf are far more worse than elf...



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Is there actually anyone who has done Solas' romance and another and didn't find Solasmancing the best? 



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I'm playing through a Cullen romance right now but I can only do it in spurts. Then I reload one of my handy saves to watch a Solas cutscene with Lavellan again. :lol:


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I'm about 4/5 of the way through a Cullen romance on another character but...I can't finish it! I went and started another Lavellan. There *is* something wrong with me.

I haven't even attempted to create a different race yet, all I have is Lavellan's, there's something even more wrong with me :lol: .


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So this question isn't *directly* Solas related...but it *is* ancient elf related and I love this thread so yeah.

 

Spoiler



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I had to do on-site work yesterday and didn't get to visit this thread. It made me sad, cause you guys are great.
Anyways, I had a question:

Spoiler



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So this question isn't *directly* Solas related...but it *is* ancient elf related and I love this thread so yeah.

 

Spoiler

 

Nope. Some people asked for a chart and it was apparently being worked on pre-release, but we have heard nothing about it since then. (This is actually in the FAQ; I think there's a little more detail there. :))

 

I had to do on-site work yesterday and didn't get to visit this thread. It made me sad, cause you guys are great.
Anyways, I had a question:

Spoiler

 

Elf, with subtitles on. Romance doesn't matter.


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It was always going to be tough to top Solas' romance, given that it's so tied into the main plot.

Not to detract from Patrick Weekes and the VA, however. I don't like to make comparisons, but everything... the pacing, the PC responses, the subtle and not so subtle foreshadowing, the different angles to the character... it's just perfect. I really think I topped out the best this game has to offer on the first run.
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So this question isn't *directly* Solas related...but it *is* ancient elf related and I love this thread so yeah.

 

Spoiler

So far, no official word on it, but someone on Tumblr made a guess on which vallaslin corresponds to which god. It's pretty convincing. Take note that this was based on the DA:O vallaslin.

 

Tumblr post: http://posts.glitter...ost/11438706436

 

The person also created a non-Tumblr version of the post here: http://www.glitterdu...vallaslin-lore/

 

And here's Hyperbali's artwork of all the vallaslins:

 

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Artwork by Hyperbali on Tumblr: (http://hyperbali.tum...ost/90224410100)


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Wow, thankyou!  :D Here's hoping they end up releasing that Bioware-approved vallaslin chart. That would be AWESOME.



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I'm back, darn it. Can't lurk anymore. XD To add to above, I always make elves and personally would have loved a city elf option. The city elves are just heartbreaking, so much hatred and oppression from, well, everyone and the struggle just to survive and thrive. The alienages are as bad, if not worse, than the Tevinter slavery. My DA:O Warden will always be a city elf. That origin playthrough, especially the beginning, had me blazing with anger. If the option had been there for it, my elf would have rampaged through Denerim slaughtering human nobility like a spirit of Vengeance made real. 

 

As for other romances, on my first playthrough my elf romanced Blackwall and once she found out his you know, Cullen consoled her. It was a very satisfying romance. Cullen is a great character and I would definitely say the most openly affectionate of all the romances. Plus he had literally a billion cutscenes. Then on my second playthrough I went for Solace, mainly because I thought his character was brilliant but I was locked out of the romance option early the first time round (stupid Blackwall). I have to say, as satisfying as Cullen's sweetness, Solas was just...oooft. I mean, breath taken, heart broken OOOOFT! 

 

I'm now a little obsessed about finding out more. More background, more speculation....just MORE! This thread shall be my new home. I have set up a comfy chair in the corner. I have slippers. I'll be here for a while.


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I'm back, darn it. Can't lurk anymore. XD To add to above, I always make elves and personally would have loved a city elf option. The city elves are just heartbreaking, so much hatred and oppression from, well, everyone and the struggle just to survive and thrive. The alienages are as bad, if not worse, than the Tevinter slavery. My DA:O Warden will always be a city elf. That origin playthrough, especially the beginning, had me blazing with anger. If the option had been there for it, my elf would have rampaged through Denerim slaughtering human nobility like a spirit of Vengeance made real.

As for other romances, on my first playthrough my elf romanced Blackwall and once she found out his you know, Cullen consoled her. It was a very satisfying romance. Cullen is a great character and I would definitely say the most openly affectionate of all the romances. Plus he had literally a billion cutscenes. Then on my second playthrough I went for Solace, mainly because I thought his character was brilliant but I was locked out of the romance option early the first time round (stupid Blackwall). I have to say, as satisfying as Cullen's sweetness, Solas was just...oooft. I mean, breath taken, heart broken OOOOFT!

I'm now a little obsessed about finding out more. More background, more speculation....just MORE! This thread shall be my new home. I have set up a comfy chair in the corner. I have slippers. I'll be here for a while.

These are pretty much my thoughts on the romances.I liked Cullen's romance and I always found him very interesting,honestly his character development is utterly impressive.As for his romance it was like a ray of sun in a cloudy day,fluffy and affectionate.But Solas,his romance is just breathtaking,despite the lack of cut scenes.One of the best romances in dragon age,if not the best.
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In regards to the vallaslin, I'm pretty sure the vallaslin featuring what looks like a raven is related to Dirthamen, the Keeper of Secrets because ravens features as his servants.

 

So far, I rather like what they are doing with the ancient elves, their society and gods especially because it seems more interesting to me that the past wouldn't be all glory and fair - ancient empires rarely are. I also like the idea that their gods are complex beings who may have attained godhood but it is godhood in comparison to their followers.

 

I'm also of the theory that bringing back the elven "gods" would bring about a whole lot of trouble for everyone in Thedas if they want to be worshipped and have their empire back again. Seriously, if Flemeth is anything to go by then they would be hell trying to defeat especially seeing as she would be revived through just a piece of something.



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Wow, thankyou!  :D Here's hoping they end up releasing that Bioware-approved vallaslin chart. That would be AWESOME.

 

No problem!  :lol: And apparently the OP of the vallaslin post is making an updated version of the post for DA:I. :)

 

And yes, an official vallaslin chart from Bioware would be most appreciated. Especially since I didn't recognise a lot of the vallaslins in DA:I.  :wacko:



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Oh speaking of ravens, did anyone else notice there's one particular red eyed raven that seems to always follow you around in game? It always seemed to me like there was one everywhere I went, sat on a fence or watching from a wall, and when you got close it'd fly into the air. I always thought there was something to that. Just seemed too coincidental. After a while I thought maybe Morrigan as she takes the form of a raven in the temple. Then I wondered if it could be something else entirely. Or maybe BW just like ravens. Who knows?



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Oh speaking of ravens, did anyone else notice there's one particular red eyed raven that seems to always follow you around in game? It always seemed to me like there was one everywhere I went, sat on a fence or watching from a wall, and when you got close it'd fly into the air. I always thought there was something to that. Just seemed too coincidental. After a while I thought maybe Morrigan as she takes the form of a raven in the temple. Then I wondered if it could be something else entirely. Or maybe BW just like ravens. Who knows?

Yeah I noticed that too...it's alright though,fits well with one of my headcanons about my Lavellan.She also wears Dirthamen's vallaslin.

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There are a lot of wolf statues everywhere, and the ravens seem to like perching on those, which is nice because I think there are lore links between Fen'Harel and Dirthamen being allies.  If I'm wrong someone will slap my wrists...