I was going to play a Human female to romance Cullen but then I thought no go with a male cause you'll just be yelling "Why won't you take me Solas?!!!!!" every time you talk to him with your female human.
Spot on. I still tell the screen "I love you Solas; why won't you love me?" when he says cute stuff. And I yell at enemies for hurting him. 
"I liked Solas before he was cool." Gotta go find me some hipster glasses now.
I had my hipster signature ready long ago! 
On the Cole issue, Solas wasn't really preaching forgiveness for forgiveness's sake. Cole is a spirit of compassion, and Solas wanted him to forgive that man so that he remained true to his nature, pure.
The elf issue is a little more complicated.
Pretty much how I see it as well. With Cole it wasn't simply an issue of right or wrong, vengeance or not, but the fact that Cole was seriously toeing the line between abandoning his nature and potentially becoming something altogether unseemly. That Varric even succeeds at making him more human only goes to show just how special Cole really is, because it isn't that hard to believe that any other spirit would have warped into a being of Pride or Rage by giving into those emotions. In that moment he was more concerned for his friend's overall being than their need for vengeance, which I can support even if I'll probably never let Cole become a full spirit again.
My conclusion on this is that because of Solas's personal issues where he doesn't see the present day elves as his people - but he probably should - forming a deeper connection with one of them has more weight in his story. He's also racist and had minimal experience with other races prior to waking up, so it may also be an issue of familiarity.
Cole is a spirit, Solas is not. He says that explicitly. That you can't expect a person to forgive but a spirit can.
To me though Solas is extremely selfish. During that companion quest he really is only out there for what he feels what a Spirit should be. He isn't really there for what Cole really wants.
Because talking with Cole and understanding him, I always assumed that Varric is correct during that quest. Simply the way Cole speaks about himself.
I feel like Solas completely ignores this fact because Cole IS a spirit.
Solas always seem so kind of a selfish character. The more I got to know him and going through multiple playthroughs I see him as more selfish than selfless and more confusing and strange than he was wise and involved.
To me though Solas is extremely selfish. During that companion quest he really is only out there for what he feels what a Spirit should be. He isn't really there for what Cole really wants.
Because talking with Cole and understanding him, I always assumed that Varric is correct during that quest. Simply the way Cole speaks about himself.
I feel like Solas completely ignores this fact because Cole IS a spirit.
Solas always seem so kind of a selfish character. The more I got to know him and going through multiple playthroughs I see him as more selfish than selfless and more confusing and strange than he was wise and involved.
Solas is a serious fish out of water. He's very much displaced in the current Thedas, which is why he's probably coming off as confusing and strange to you.
Varric is wrong. Cole tells you in the very next scene in his companion quest that he came through the Veil to help the human Cole, not so that he could become more human. Cole may well be a very unique case - most spirits encouraged to do what Cole did probably would have become demons.
Taking the spirit path has Cole thanking the Inquisitor for accepting him and believing in him. He's happy both ways.
No one in Cole's companion quest takes ten seconds to ask Cole what Cole wants. Not Solas and not Varric and not the Inquisitor.
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And I know Solas wants to kill the mages who corrupted his spirit friend, but after a full playthrough I realized something. If Solas cared about the spirit of wisdom as much as my Inquisitor has come to care about Cole... I mean, can you imagine some mages summoning Cole, forcing him to cause suffering or something that would twist him into a demon, and then him dying afterward? I'd want my Inquis to kill those mages herself. Ugh! I might let Solas kill them in my second playthrough.
Food for thought!
So I was sort of passively reading until I got to the part about Cole. Then Mama Lavellan mode kicked in. No one touches my spirit son. No. One. Solas can kill those mages in every playthrough from now on.
That really misses the drama of having your world turned upside down and inside out.Ha, yeah. The amount of Lavellans that somehow had a prior kinship or feeling or something for Fen'Harel against everything that their clan and people knew and taught seems to have grown since the game released...
Not judging or anything. It's just funny. That and all the wolf imagery or thinking he'd act like a dog because of it. It sort of removes him from himself, if that makes sense. People make associations that are probably inaccurate because it's what they know, which... come to think of it, isn't unlike what the Dalish have done. Hmm. Interesting.
According to Cole's own words, though, Varric is wrong about why he came. You can flip that neatly and say that it's Varric who's insisting Cole become something he's not. Of course, it's really both and neither choice is better or worse- it's different sides of a very unique being.To me though Solas is extremely selfish. During that companion quest he really is only out there for what he feels what a Spirit should be. He isn't really there for what Cole really wants.
Because talking with Cole and understanding him, I always assumed that Varric is correct during that quest. Simply the way Cole speaks about himself.
I feel like Solas completely ignores this fact because Cole IS a spirit.
Solas always seem so kind of a selfish character. The more I got to know him and going through multiple playthroughs I see him as more selfish than selfless and more confusing and strange than he was wise and involved.
I never thought of the slow arrow story as being an allegory for whatever Solas did but that's a brilliant connection. Someone should tweet Weekes and ask if it was intentional >.>
I saw it more as a dramatized description of Solas's way of approaching problems. He doesn't confront them head-on, instead striking when it's least expected. Thus, the slow arrow. It's also reflected in that chess match. Solas distracted Bull, letting him take most of his major pieces, letting him think he'd won, but in the end he beat him with a single pawn that Bull had disregarded from the beginning. You can also see it in his banter with Sera about the Friends of Red Jenny, when he's basically giving her a lecture on Guerilla Tactics 101. I think that's where the trickster part comes in.
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So true!
No one in Cole's companion quest takes ten seconds to ask Cole what Cole wants. Not Solas and not Varric and not the Inquisitor.
Which just really annoyed me personally. I wish the Inquisitor could have sat Cole down and asked him about what he wanted when the emotions weren't so raw, rather than let either Solas or Varric dictate what happened. Cole ends up happy either way, but it just bugged me a good deal.
To me though Solas is extremely selfish. During that companion quest he really is only out there for what he feels what a Spirit should be. He isn't really there for what Cole really wants.
Because talking with Cole and understanding him, I always assumed that Varric is correct during that quest. Simply the way Cole speaks about himself.
I feel like Solas completely ignores this fact because Cole IS a spirit.
Solas always seem so kind of a selfish character. The more I got to know him and going through multiple playthroughs I see him as more selfish than selfless and more confusing and strange than he was wise and involved.
He is, but it also fits his past and his character. He hasn't been around for probably thousands of years and with his knowledge, it is natural for him to think he knows what's best for everyone. It's going to be hard to convince him otherwise unless you know as much as he does. He IS open-minded enough to wish Cole best of luck if you choose to let Cole be more human. For someone like him, it is a strength to be as open-minded as he is.
Which just really annoyed me personally. I wish the Inquisitor could have sat Cole down and asked him about what he wanted when the emotions weren't so raw, rather than let either Solas or Varric dictate what happened. Cole ends up happy either way, but it just bugged me a good deal.
Yeah, I wanted to ask him what he wanted for the future. The templar was insignificant beyond the next five minutes but the decision made there was the entire rest of Cole's existence.
I've done the Winter Ball 2-3 times now and have yet to find her.
I've talked to her, she helped me with Gaspard's assassins
All right well I guess this is the most appropriate thread to talk about this. As a character Solas really confuses me.
Considering after Wicked Hearts and Wicked Eyes, when discussing with Solas about Briala he says he doesn't identify with a specific people, just because of their pointed ears. Just because he's an elf he has nothing in common with them. Now please do not misunderstand what I am saying, if this is the case, when why is female Elf Inquisitor the only romance option for him? If he doesn't identify specifically with elves, wouldn't he then accept others as well?
Second thing, in Cole's companion quest, he says Cole has to forgive his killer. Though Solas himself wanted to kill the mages who summoned and tortured his friend. Really now Solas? Where's your preachiness about harmony and stuff now? Explanations.
1) When he's talking about "identifying" with people, I think he means culturally, not racially. Because remember, the elves of today are a far cry from the elves he knew back in his day.
I really see no issue with Solas being straight and only wanting an elf. I understand the complaints from a gameplay perspective, but I also don't think DA is a dating sim, it's an RPG. These characters are supposed to be that... characters, with their own motivations and desires, not just hollow shells for us to romance. I like that this time BW took a firmer stance on character's preferences and such compared to DA2.
2) Solas isn't saying he needs to forgive in the way you're thinking, like "He needs to let go because it's the right thing to do". He says Cole needs to forgive because that's how spirits work. He needs to forgive so that his spirit can move on and function correctly. Eh... it's hard to explain, Solas explains it if you choose the dialog option "I'm still confused", but basically it comes down to spirit-physics, not moral codes.
Which just really annoyed me personally. I wish the Inquisitor could have sat Cole down and asked him about what he wanted when the emotions weren't so raw, rather than let either Solas or Varric dictate what happened. Cole ends up happy either way, but it just bugged me a good deal.
I thought it was pretty obvious he wanted to kill the Templar? He thought it would be right, that's the two "choices." Solas, he forgives the Templar, Varric he kills the Templar.
I thought it was pretty obvious he wanted to kill the Templar? He thought it would be right, that's the two "choices." Solas, he forgives the Templar, Varric he kills the Templar.
More to get him to talk about it in a more rational way, rather than letting him go with the raw emotions.
I don't know if any of you read the Korean manhwa "Noblesse." There's a character there named Cadis Etrama Di Raizel who holds so much power that he forced himself to be alone for thousands of years, never stepping out of his mansion except when he is forced to give judgment. That is how he keeps his power in check while fulfilling his duties. So sad. Solas is the same way. He probably feels that based on who he is, no one else can do what he plans to do and thus he is alone for thousands of years. Seems like it's not easy to be a god if you're choosing to be a good one.
Jeez things moved fast while I was trying to reply.
To me though Solas is extremely selfish. During that companion quest he really is only out there for what he feels what a Spirit should be. He isn't really there for what Cole really wants.
Because talking with Cole and understanding him, I always assumed that Varric is correct during that quest. Simply the way Cole speaks about himself.
I feel like Solas completely ignores this fact because Cole IS a spirit.
Solas always seem so kind of a selfish character. The more I got to know him and going through multiple playthroughs I see him as more selfish than selfless and more confusing and strange than he was wise and involved.
Solas is a serious fish out of water. He's very much displaced in the current Thedas, which is why he's probably coming off as confusing and strange to you.
Varric is wrong. Cole tells you in the very next scene in his companion quest that he came through the Veil to help the human Cole, not so that he could become more human. Cole may well be a very unique case - most spirits encouraged to do what Cole did probably would have become demons.
Taking the spirit path has Cole thanking the Inquisitor for accepting him and believing in him. He's happy both ways.
No one in Cole's companion quest takes ten seconds to ask Cole what Cole wants. Not Solas and not Varric and not the Inquisitor.
It is an interesting issue, one I usually agonize over. I tend to like Cole as more persony (sorry I'm a sucker for the "become a real boy!" trope and also, come on, who's not curious to see if a spirit can become real?), so I actually defy My Precious and side with Varric, ultimately. Cole seems to like becoming more human, as you can talk to him after and he expresses his happiness. I'm sure he's happy the other way too, because that's usually how BW rolls.
I also like how, if you side with Varric, there's some banter later where Solas basically notes on Cole's changes and is impressed/intrigued, and I'm just like *see* 
There *is* one option where your Inquisitor can say "As long as it's what Cole wants" but it's not like he ever responds to that, so yea it is up in the air -- I think BW did that so people won't feel obligated to side one way or the other.
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More to get him to talk about it in a more rational way, rather than letting him go with the raw emotions.
But he's a spirit, "wearing their emotions on their sleeves" so to speak. What they are feeling right at the moment is all they know. I dont' think it would have been possible for him to calm down and talk about it rationally. That would be what Varric did, make him more human. Or the way Solas wanted it, make Cole forget about the Templar, then you wouldn't talk about it. They don't hold memories or grudges like people do.
Every. Single. Time.
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LOL this is so true.
Is there a Abelas thread? Also, any fanfiction people can recommend?
There is, and also a fanfic thread
http://forum.bioware...hread-spoilers/
But he's a spirit, "wearing their emotions on their sleeves" so to speak. What they are feeling right at the moment is all they know. I dont' think it would have been possible for him to calm down and talk about it rationally. That would be what Varric did, make him more human. Or the way Solas wanted it, make Cole forget about the Templar, then you wouldn't talk about it. They don't hold memories or grudges like people do.
True, you're making very good points. I dunno, I guess I just didn't like how my Inquisitor sat back and let it go one way or the other. But then again they made a choice by supporting either Varric or Solas.
True, you're making very good points. I dunno, I guess I just didn't like how my Inquisitor sat back and let it go one way or the other. But then again they made a choice by supporting either Varric or Solas.
Would have been nice to have more dialogue with Cole.
This is my Faolán I'm debating though if I should try out the Cullen Romance I mean not like I can't go to earlier save afterwards if I'm not down with it 
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