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[RebbyWriter]

ALL OF THE FANARTS!!!

 

 

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[dragondreamer]

I agree that he's complicated, that's why I don't think he was the one to do it. It's a little bit of an exaggeration to say he was willing to kill mages for the crime of being "desperate and stupid." He wanted to kill them because they tortured and were responsible for the death of one of his dead friends. Then instead of being ashamed they tried to deflect blame for their mistake. Plus that is a heat-of-the-moment situation where he's lost his cool.

 

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Whoever killed Felassan sought him out. Also just conveniently happened to be in the Fade at exact right time. It wasn't a snap decision, it was made by someone with clear knowledge of what was going on and a plan for how to manipulate those events. I also find the part about "no debate, no logical argument or impassioned plea" to be a bit OOC for Fen'Harel/Solas since he's often all about seeing the grey areas.

 

I think Felassan is bound (like Abelas) to someone. He admires Fen'Harel because he exists outside of the system, and that's why he is so knowledgeable and tells so many stories of him. Felassan can't directly oppose whoever he is serving, but admires the one who can/did. I actually think it's just as likely he was going to say "I suspect you'll hate this but she reminds me of Fen'Harel". Why would someone who is not Fen'Harel hate that? Because he's probably the one that put them in whatever situation they're in. "You know who this girl I helped reminds me of? That guy who took all of your power and locked you away in eternal slumber. Great guy amiright? Totally support more people like him." And Solas actually seems to like Briala. He calls her "admirable" and seems glad that she's going to look after "the elves".

 

 

Re: Talking to Briala

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Felassan refers to Briala by name when talking to mystery-figure, so even if Solas doesn't know her face, he'd know who she is once he's at the party. And he doesn't need to involve her in his plans, he just needs to get the passcode. Sure she's good at the Game and at ferreting out deception, but she's also desperate and needs the Inquisition's help. What better time to gain her trust, and either get the passcode or open the relationship to do so in the future? It seems like lazy writing not to address that -- there's plenty of foreshadowing in the game and it would only take one or two lines of Solas expressing interest in allying with her to establish that relationship. As for Imshael, he was the one that gave both Briala and the other elf woman (Mahariel? Mehriel? I don't know) the means to get through the eluvians. He could undoubtedly do so again.

 

I dunno, I just don't see it. If he did kill him he was very, very, sloppy in the follow-through. It makes much more sense to me if it was someone else.

 

I never thought of the slow arrow story as being an allegory for whatever Solas did but that's a brilliant connection. Someone should tweet Weekes and ask if it was intentional >.>

 

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But someone reasonable would realize that the mages didn't know better.  They don't understand spirits the way he does.  Killing them for ignorance isn't really falling into line with the idea of Solas being perfectly forgiving and understanding of everyone.  He was ready to kill them as quickly as Felassan was killed.  He's very knowledgeable, insightful, and he means well, but I don't think he's a perfect saint.  He's certainly not infallible, he makes mistakes.

 

I don't think Felassan would say positive things about Fen'Harel if he served a master opposed to him.  His own views on the ancient elves fall in line with those of Solas rather than someone bitter about him due to his actions.  (Which I think plays a part in why the Dalish consider him a terrible deity.  What little their ancestors passed down was simply the memory that he was responsible for what happened to them.  Which wasn't pleasant.) 

 

Who knows, maybe you're right.  But I'm just looking at what we know and what makes sense in context.  Why have a story filled with Fen'Harel hints, when it's another elven god behind it trying to do the exact same thing that Solas is?  That kind of misdirection seems really unnecessary.  Until we learn otherwise, I think he killed Felassan.  Not the most rose-tinted reality, I'm fond of both characters, but that's what it looks like to me.

[Kath]

Running out of likes when there are a lot of good posts accumulating in this thread:

[Birdy]

Running out of likes when there are a lot of good posts accumulating in this thread:

[Minxie]

All right well I guess this is the most appropriate thread to talk about this. As a character Solas really confuses me. 

 

Considering after Wicked Hearts and Wicked Eyes, when discussing with Solas about Briala he says he doesn't identify with a specific people, just because of their pointed ears. Just because he's an elf he has nothing in common with them. Now please do not misunderstand what I am saying, if this is the case, when why is female Elf Inquisitor the only romance option for him? If he doesn't identify specifically with elves, wouldn't he then accept others as well?

 

My friend actually just made a neat gif set about this here. I'll put it under a cut here for convenience along with the great tags she wrote. (be wary of spoilers in the gifs of course)

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#so. there's an inordinate amt of ppl who keep talking abt how solas hates the elves!!1!! #and. no. that's not it at all. how hard is it to understand that after the winter palace solas says what's in gif 1#solely for the sake of being contrary? he is stubborn as hell and v prideful but#he is also contradictory re: identifying w/ other elves bc he purposely tries to distance himself from modern elves to assuage his own guilt#and bc it's just....true? he legitimately doesn't know how else to find commonality w/ the other elves bc they're so disconnected from their#culture. you see this in how he interacts w/ sera. he tries to connect w/ her on the basis of her being an elf even tho she's not into it.#it's not bc he h8's her. it's bc he believes he has FAILED her and the rest of their people.#he ofc goes on to explain he also doesn't want ppl to just see him as a 'pair of ears' which i get but the thing still is#solas is deeply concerned with the elves/their culture. what makes solas tragic is he's an ancient elf who is desperately#seeking anything of the elves past to cling to and the crux of this is; he doesn't hate the dalish either.#he hates that they are largely ignorant abt their own culture and his bitterness stems from a place of deep empathy and REGRET#because this is /his/ fault. the elves are but a shadow of what they once were and it shouldn't be that way!#so ultimately even tho he tries to distance himself he can't help but go back to talking about 'the people' and struggling#to help 'the people' bc he cares so deeply for them?? why is this hard to understand??#solas is extremely old so when he talks abt ppl not having the ~soul of an elf (gif 3)#he's relating it strongly back to a culture he believes /HE HAS DEPRIVED THEM OF/#so uh. i'd love it if people took these things into consideration when they start ranting off abt how judgy!1!!1!!! he is.#bc it's really not that simple and it's actually an excellent layering of his character.

I feel strongly that what it comes down to is you can't take his word for it when he might try to say he doesn't like modern elves or the Dalish... He'll say one thing because it might be easier sometimes, to distance himself, but ultimately he cares and when faced with an opportunity to prove it he does. 

[zambixi]

True, you're making very good points. I dunno, I guess I just didn't like how my Inquisitor sat back and let it go one way or the other. But then again they made a choice by supporting either Varric or Solas.

 

Cole didn't seem to have a very good grasp of what he wanted or what a good solution would be for his problem. The whole quest starts because he's asking Solas to bind him to his will. I felt a little uncomfortable making the decisions for Cole, but it also really didn't seem like he could decide what was best for him.

 

I've picked making him more human in most of my playthroughs. I always feel a little guilty because he doesn't seem as happy about it. He's much more limited and the only thing he gets in return is the ability to remember pain and understand people differently. It's a bit sad but I keep doing it anyway because selfishly I want him to want to be human. And I want Solas to be wrong about something. And I'm a little creeped out by super-spirit Cole since he seems to lose some of his connection to others.

[Renmiri1]

My thoughts on the "Trickster" rep that Solas gets:

 

In our own Earth mythology, male greek Gods and other Native american Gods have been accused of trickery, to cover up for some very human activities:

- Husband goes to war, spends 2 years out, comes back and his wife is with child. "Zeus tricked me that he was you" is her explanation

- Teenage Amazonian Indian girls show up with child. "The dolphin trickster God fooled us" they all say.

 

Fastest way to go from the town **** to the town's "Herald of Zeus" with a old god baby

 

I imagine the Dalish were no different. Any Dalish girl that got herself pregnant would blame Fen'Harel since he was the only  God left. After a few of those, poor Solas got a child support bill bigger than Orlais treasure and a rep for being a naughty trickster.

[Eivuwan]

I wish I had a boyfriend right now so that I can say "Ar lath ma vhenan" to him.

[vertigomez]

I know I'm late to the party but bless all y'all for acknowledging the whole "super sexay Fen'Harel eclipses Solas's actual character in fic" thing. It seems like people are focusing on what they want Fen'Harel to be (Loki) and not on who he actually is -- an almost pacifistic lonely ancient bald Fade nerd who keeps screwing up the world trying to make it better. And I'm not even talking about smut, because obviously people's kinks are gonna take precedence there and I'm not gonna claim to know a damn thing about his, um, bedside manner (I'll leave that to Weekes). But... just... gen fic or fluff or whatever where he's unrecognizable ehh.

Don't get me wrong - I would never bash anybody's fic, and there's plenty I enjoy reading even if they seem a little OOC to me (looking at you, kink meme). I would just like the Solas tag on AO3 to, ya know... actually have Solas in it.

I think it bothers me because it's happening so SOON. We've just started getting fic of him and he's already not himself lmao. Usually it takes a few years!

[Nyaore]

Cole didn't seem to have a very good grasp of what he wanted or what a good solution would be for his problem. The whole quest starts because he's asking Solas to bind him to his will. I felt a little uncomfortable making the decisions for Cole, but it also really didn't seem like he could decide what was best for him.

 

I've picked making him more human in most of my playthroughs. I always feel a little guilty because he doesn't seem as happy about it. He's much more limited and the only thing he gets in return is the ability to remember pain and understand people differently. It's a bit sad but I keep doing it anyway because selfishly I want him to want to be human. And I want Solas to be wrong about something. And I'm a little creeped out by super-spirit Cole since he seems to lose some of his connection to others.

Yeah, super-spirit Cole honestly creeped me out immensely when I saw his final scene where he just erases all that he was before to the point where I'm not sure I can't meta-game myself into forcing him to be human on all subsequent playthroughs. It just... Felt rather heart breaking to see that, even though he seems altogether content.

 

I will say though I like it when people in this thread point out things that change my views on an aspect of the game or point out I'm wrong about something. It's done in such a positive and discussion focused manner and I can't help but love you guys for it. One of my favorite things about this thread.

[vertigomez]

This is my Faolán I'm debating though if I should try out the Cullen Romance I mean not like I can't go to earlier save afterwards if I'm not down with it 

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Wow, she's got to be the prettiest Lavellan I've seen! @_______@

[Renmiri1]

I know I'm late to the party but bless all y'all for acknowledging the whole "super sexay Fen'Harel eclipses Solas's actual character in fic" thing. It seems like people are focusing on what they want Fen'Harel to be (Loki) and not on who he actually is -- an almost pacifistic lonely ancient bald Fade nerd who keeps screwing up the world trying to make it better. And I'm not even talking about smut, because obviously people's kinks are gonna take precedence there and I'm not gonna claim to know a damn thing about his, um, bedside manner (I'll leave that to Weekes). But... just... gen fic or fluff or whatever where he's unrecognizable ehh.

Don't get me wrong - I would never bash anybody's fic, and there's plenty I enjoy reading even if they seem a little OOC to me (looking at you, kink meme). I would just like the Solas tag on AO3 to, ya know... actually have Solas in it.

I think it bothers me because it's happening so SOON. We've just started getting fic of him and he's already not himself lmao. Usually it takes a few years!

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Yah, is like people didn't even romance him, they just saw the last scene and went "Loki!!!"

[scintilla]

 

Yeah, super-spirit Cole honestly creeped me out immensely when I saw his final scene where he just erases all that he was before to the point where I'm not sure I can't meta-game myself into forcing him to be human on all subsequent playthroughs. It just... Felt rather heart breaking to see that, even though he seems altogether content.

 

That scene soured me on spirit Cole too. He's probably happier as a spirit but that's because he can just... wash away everything that happens. He doesn't have to remember so he doesn't. But is it right to take that away from him? This is honestly the hardest decision in the game for me.

[Birdy]

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Yah, is like people didn't even romance him, they just saw the last scene and went "Loki!!!"

That's a bit sad.    Solas is nothing like Loki. 

[slmisfit]

I finally got a good screenshot of the face Solas makes when the Inquisitor first attempts to seal the Breach.

 

That is definitely the face of

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someone who knows what he's done and is desperate to fix it.

 

Gah. :'(

[dragondreamer]

My Lavellan made Cole a spirit because she trusted Solas' opinion where spirits are concerned.  And there was something very sweet about Cole saying that he was more himself than he had been before.  Seeing him become the closest thing Thedas has to an angel was one of the more uplifting parts during a section of the game where I was feeling really down about some of what had happened.

[nranola]

I really like this one.  XD

 

http://glass.co.vu/p...9/trashquisitor

 

Like counting birds against Solas' head... *shot*

[Birdy]

My Lavellan made Cole human because she trusted Solas' opinion where spirits are concerned.  And there was something very sweet about Cole saying that he was more himself than he had been before.  Seeing him become the closest thing Thedas has to an angel was one of the more uplifting parts during a section of the game where I was feeling really down about some of what had happened.

You mean spirit?  Varric made Cole more human? 

[Nyaore]

That's a bit sad.    Solas is nothing like Loki. 

And for the better, but that's just my opinion. I never really caught onto the Loki love that was going around after Thor and Avengers were released. Far too smarmy for my liking, but to each their own. 

Makes me just want to go up to Solas and cuddle him while saying 'you're not a clone' over and over again. Varric and Dorian would probably have to drag me off for a round at the bar eventually, as I tend to cling. Probably end with drunken confessions now that I think about it... 

[NeverlandHunter]

Hey guys and gals did you see what the cullen thread did for page 4000 ?
http://forum.bioware...ilers/page-4000
 
We should do some party for page 2,000 or a small one for page 1,500

*In snobbish tone* Fuh, those Cullen obsessed fangirls. Don't they have better activities to partake in? *pets Solas lifescuplture*

[Birdy]

And for the better, but that's just my opinion. I never really caught onto the Loki love that was going around after Thor and Avengers were released. Far too smarmy for my liking, but to each their own. 

Makes me just want to go up to Solas and cuddle him while saying 'you're not a clone' over and over again. Varric and Dorian would probably have to drag me off for a round at the bar eventually, as I tend to cling. Worth it though.

[dragondreamer]

You mean spirit?  Varric made Cole more human? 

 

Yeah, I meant spirit.  Sorry.

[Nyaore]

*hides under couch* D:

[kalasaurus]

Re: Cole's companion quest

 

I made Cole more like a spirit because I assumed that Solas actually knew what he was talking about, being a Fade expert who hangs out with spirits all the time.  Varric himself admits that he doesn't know jack about "magical weirdness", so why risk Cole's fate with someone who's just guessing on what's best for him (not based on any actual prior knowledge on the subject)?  Just how I saw it *shrugs*

[Birdy]

*hides under couch* D: