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[Renmiri1]

I love everyone's theories. Ok what if the qunari were actually created by the ancient elves as soldiers and protectors?

 

On Gaider's comics it is revealed that Qunari are descendants of dragons

 

[Birdy]

 

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[lapsi4ka]

My friend has just finished her Solasmance.She is a very big Harry Potter fan and she came to some random and entertaining thought: Solas is like Severus Snape

 

1) Prejudices against others - one doesn't like Gryffindor, the other is against.. well... many people

2) They are both smart and not afraid to show their superiority in knowledge

3) They both have some unique skills (potions/ fade magic)

4) Both are lonely in their nature

5) We don't know the whole story about both of them from the begining

6) They are very shady characters with their own agenda.

7) Both have to be between two groups (well for Severus it is obvious, when for Solas it is a story about two fractions of gods whom he tricked)

8) Both suffered from betrayal (Lily and for Solas I would go with dialogue were he talks about groups being corrupted) and have trust issues.

9)   Cole for Solas is like Harry Potter for Severus - child who needs to be protected. 

10) Mythal-Solas thingy can be seen the same way as Severus-Dumbledore. 

11) They both have a thing for a stag/doe And it is one true love for them (don't even try to convince me it is not )

 

 

Probably there can be more similarities but the last one i will mention here is:

 

 

12) Appearance  - they both do not have features of standard men beauty (as Cullen for example)  and.. well... they have unique tastes in clothes. And you can definitely see a resemblance here :

 

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I just hope that our elf love won't end the same way Or we will have to make sure that all snakes in Thedas are exterminated.

 

no wonder Solas didn't like lizards in his bed

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

While I know that Solas does not approve of Sera (can't blame him for that), I wonder, does he also dislike the city elves as a whole? Is there any dialog from him where he tell his viewpoint on them?

 

Hopefully this questioned has not already been asked.

 

And speaking of city elves. Does anyone else wish after having completed the game to have had a chance for their CE Warden to talk to Solas? 

[zambixi]

you can find here : http://www.glitterdust.me/gaming/vallaslin-lore/

 

That's only from DA:O unless I'm missing something...?

 

 

He was betrayed too. If you say you'll rely on your friends after the Temple of Mythal he talks about what a huge mistake that is and how the Inquisitor shouldn't share their power. Even if this new group of people is nothing like the one that betrayed him, it isn't going to be easy for him to believe they won't.

 

I think it's worth saying that when he tried to fix things, he also gave up everything he loved about his culture. It's not just that things didn't turn out right, it's that he lost so very much in the attempt. He's definitely saying that.

 

 

You're right about that. Unfortunately, I think people inclined to see him that way are going to see him that way no matter what. Still, it wouldn't hurt if his story couldn't be reduced to "that racist elf who ruined everything."

 

You're also right that being wrong hasn't stopped him yet. I just don't see how being right is going to make him grow either. Maybe a good "what the hell, hero" talking to but I have no idea if that would actually help. As far as personal cost goes, I'm not sure what he has left to lose besides Lavellan and not even that with a different Inquisitor. His spirit friends maybe? His magic? (I still don't want to see how he'd respond to that.)

 

The more I think about it the more I can't figure out how he's going to grow in either case. If he's wrong, he's unlikely to see it that way unless everything goes 100% to plan (which it won't), and he has to live with the consequences (which he might not). He might do whatever he thinks he needs to do, and unless it goes REALLY crazy (all spirits become demons), he'll rationalize the costs by saying "they'll get used to it eventually," or "well I didn't get to do xyz so if I just do that it will be fine." 

He seems to be OK with sacrificing his relationships and the potential for future happiness - I don't think he expects to participate in the new world he's creating, since he says he has to walk his path "alone forever." I think in his mind his actions are selfless...so how do you get around that? Realize that the people you're serving aren't deserving of it (i.e. they betray him [again])? Realize you're not actually serving them? Realizing they're lost forever?

 

I'm rambling now...I just can't get my thoughts in order about this. Hopefully Weekes has a good plan because clearly I do not.

[madrar]

 

 

Anyway, I think she's mid-tier crazy. Top is the Forgotten Ones, whoever they are. Then Andruil, Falon'Din and maybe Elgar'nan....Is it weird that I'm really excited to learn the flaws of the others? I'm having a hard time coming up with how Sylvaise and June would have been crazy. Maybe they were just complicit in the crimes of the others?

 

It seems likely to me that June and Sylvaise are "tacked on" by the Dalish after Arlathan was sealed and their society fell apart.   At the height of the elvish empire (and surely In the pre-veil world) there was no need for elves to know how to craft aravel or sew clothes from furs.  

 

In all likelihood those two weren't part of the original ruling pantheon: just resourceful survivors whose efforts got them in the books, dwarven paragon-style.  

[jellobell]

While I know that Solas does not approve of Sera (can't blame him for that), I wonder, does he also dislike the city elves as a whole? Is there any dialog from him where he tell his viewpoint on them?

He approves of them more than the Dalish in that first conversation with him. He pities them, I think. He talks about how they hold onto what little scraps of their culture they can in order to try to have an identity apart from those who marginalized them. So I think he's specifically talking about alienage elves rather than elves like sera who are basically humans with pointy ears culture-wise.

[Avejajed]

Solas: "Don't trust any of your friends with your power, people will betray you!"

Solas: *betrays you*

Lol.

[Birdy]

>.> I'm gonna steal this for a prompt.

Done. We'll see if it gets filled. . .

[Arahnea]

Solas: "Don't trust any of your friends with your power, people will betray you!"

Solas: *betrays you*

Lol.

but at least he didn't steal your power

[madrar]

I think one of his major flaws is that he wants to be seen as himself, but he utterly fails to see others the same way. He's very, very racist and although he pities the people (individuals), he still sees their race as a whole to be utterly wrong in every way possible. Lavellan opens his eyes, in a way, but even then she's only an exception. Meanwhile, an Inquisitor that he does not get along with just proves that everyone is utter trash. He's definitely a very flawed individual. He knows very well that, if the Inquisitor can be a great person that opens his eyes (even those that he does not fall in love with but merely respects) many people can be like that as well. But instead of embracing it, he throws it all away and prefers to cut off any ties with the Inquisition, instead of trying to work for a better future.

 

By the way, I really, really wanted to draw a Solas comic today - but guess what, my graphic tablet pen broke. It was glitchy and buggy already, but now it does not register a single thing anymore.

 

Whoa.  That seems a bit harsh, given what we know.  I wish I could reference the conversation that backs this up (perhaps someone here could fill in the blank?) but it's suggested that the source of his "not my people" relationship with the Dalish at the beginning of the game is not entirely Solas.  He's approached them (possibly many, many times) and they basically called him a lunatic and slammed the door in his face.

 

Not terribly surprising, I suppose, given that his introduction to you is still pretty much full-blast "THE FADE IS GREAT AND SPIRITS ARE PEOPLE".  ...which I assume is Solas' version of easing you into his worldview after failing so many times with "Hi, Dalish!  I'm a random, bare-faced expert on ancient elven culture.  Guess what you're doing wrong.  Hint.  The answer is 'everything'."  

[Tielis]

It seems likely to me that June and Sylvaise are "tacked on" by the Dalish after Arlathan was sealed and their society fell apart.   At the height of the elvish empire (and surely In the pre-veil world) there was no need for elves to know how to craft aravel or sew clothes from furs.  

 

In all likelihood those two weren't part of the original ruling pantheon: just resourceful survivors whose efforts got them in the books, dwarven paragon-style.  

 

If Sandal is June, like my other crackpot theory, then it's obvious what he represented in ancient elven times.  That he taught the elves about clothes and aravels is just another Dalish perversion.

 

EDIT:  And that got me thinking of something else.  If the creators have all been corrupted, with both a light side and a dark side, maybe June created the Rite of Tranquility in order to have more slaves that could make stuff.  *shudder*

[kalasaurus]

I'm making a new Lavellan for Solas (again... I have way too much fun with the CC).  Which hairstyle do you think is better for this face?

 

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or

 

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(And I'm sorry if it seems like I'm spamming the thread with random stuff.  This is just my favorite DA: I thread!)

[Uirebhiril]

He was betrayed too. If you say you'll rely on your friends after the Temple of Mythal he talks about what a huge mistake that is and how the Inquisitor shouldn't share their power. Even if this new group of people is nothing like the one that betrayed him, it isn't going to be easy for him to believe they won't.

 

 

To be fair, I don't think my Lavellan would be willing to share power with most of the inner circle anyway. I mean, who of that lot can you fully trust and expect not to really bork things up? Even those that have good intentions - like Dorian - can end up going to bad places in their attempts to do right. And hardened Leliana divine, need I say more?

 

But that makes it a lonely place and position, and anyone would want to believe they can trust in someone to help or understand. It's also easy to turn everyone away and then become corrupted - or jaded - by your own power. There's shades and levels of good and bad no matter what, and probably why it's so easy to fall down is how hard that line can be to walk.

[Tielis]

To be fair, I don't think my Lavellan would be willing to share power with most of the inner circle anyway. I mean, who of that lot can you fully trust and expect not to really bork things up? Even those that have good intentions - like Dorian - can end up going to bad places in their attempts to do right. And hardened Leliana divine, need I say more?

 

But that makes it a lonely place and position, and anyone would want to believe they can trust in someone to help or understand. It's also easy to turn everyone away and then become corrupted - or jaded - by your own power. There's shades and levels of good and bad no matter what, and probably why it's so easy to fall down is how hard that line can be to walk.

 

This goes back to the whole narcissism thing -- hear me out.  Narcissists do not trust anyone, since they are so damaged that they know that they would never trust themselves (with good reason) if put into another's shoes.  Not that they dare to think about that, after all, compassion is scary for them, but mistrust is so deeply embedded that it becomes normal for their worldview.

 

I think Solas is somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, because he does have compassion, but he does not trust.

[vertigomez]

I love this thread so much, gah. All these theories, character insights, half-mad ramblings... delicious.

Well, after a first game where Solas hated me, I managed to trigger his personal quest in my second one! What will I learn here? He is such an interesting character.

Ohh, I believe this is the one where you learn how very... passionate and protective of his friends he is.

[scintilla]

The more I think about it the more I can't figure out how he's going to grow in either case. If he's wrong, he's unlikely to see it that way unless everything goes 100% to plan (which it won't), and he has to live with the consequences (which he might not). He might do whatever he thinks he needs to do, and unless it goes REALLY crazy (all spirits become demons), he'll rationalize the costs by saying "they'll get used to it eventually," or "well I didn't get to do xyz so if I just do that it will be fine." 

He seems to be OK with sacrificing his relationships and the potential for future happiness - I don't think he expects to participate in the new world he's creating, since he says he has to walk his path "alone forever." I think in his mind his actions are selfless...so how do you get around that? Realize that the people you're serving aren't deserving of it (i.e. they betray him [again])? Realize you're not actually serving them? Realizing they're lost forever?

 

I'm rambling now...I just can't get my thoughts in order about this. Hopefully Weekes has a good plan because clearly I do not.

 

Yeah, I'm at a loss too. I really hope they plan to have him grow away from those traits though. If his decision making remains couched in his biggest flaws, it seems more likely that he'll be an antagonist or even more broken the next time he shows up.

 

He already gave up his relationships. He might be given pause if it was lives on the line but then maybe he wouldn't.

 

Whoa.  That seems a bit harsh, given what we know.  I wish I could reference the conversation that backs this up (perhaps someone here could fill in the blank?) but it's suggested that the source of his "not my people" relationship with the Dalish at the beginning of the game is not Solas.  He's approached them (possibly many, many times) and they basically called him a lunatic and slammed the door in his face.

 

Not terribly surprising, I suppose, given that his introduction to you is still pretty much full-blast "THE FADE IS GREAT AND SPIRITS ARE PEOPLE".  ...which I assume is Solas' version of easing you into the subject after failing so many times with "Hi, Dalish!  I'm a random, bare-faced expert on ancient elven culture.  Guess what you're doing wrong.  Hint.  The answer is 'everything'."  

 

I don't think Solas is guilt free in how the Dalish perceived him. He clearly doesn't care about any of the complexities of the situation when he wants people to listen to him. They just need to listen to him.

 

To be fair, I don't think my Lavellan would be willing to share power with most of the inner circle anyway. I mean, who of that lot can you fully trust and expect not to really bork things up? Even those that have good intentions - like Dorian - can end up going to bad places in their attempts to do right. And hardened Leliana divine, need I say more?

 

But that makes it a lonely place and position, and anyone would want to believe they can trust in someone to help or understand. It's also easy to turn everyone away and then become corrupted - or jaded - by your own power. There's shades and levels of good and bad no matter what, and probably why it's so easy to fall down is how hard that line can be to walk.

 

I think there are people within the inner circle who could be trusted. Cassandra, Varric, potentially Iron Bull. Cole. Not everyone is trustworthy to the same degree of course and the Inquisitor's in a tough position. I was talking more about how past experience reflects his ability to trust at all though. Basically his take is "don't trust at all" which may be necessary for a person in a position of power but it's also hurting him pretty badly both on a personal level and in his attempt to fix things.

[madrar]

 

His intentions are tenfold better than Cory's, but what he's trying to do isn't better at all. It might lead to a better outcome, but he still decides for every single living person that their world sucks and he has to get the old order back - whatever that old order really is. The people of Thedas' are just a huge mass of children that do not possess the ability to change their world for the better. Nope, Solas has to do that on his own - because he's Solas.

 

I'm willing to give him a little wiggle room here.   It's not just "I know better than you, and I expect you to thank me for something you didn't ask for."   That was the old, hot-blooded Solas, the one who wouldn't have named himself "Pride" as a reminder of what he cannot let himself become.   

 

Our Solas has seen his good intentions warp to horror and misery.   There is, aside from Flemythal and the remnants at the Shrine, no one else who can actually compare the modern system to what was before.   It's simplistic to criticize him for not getting "informed consent" from the world at large, given that they do not truly know what was lost (it's all supposition, even for us here) and thus -literally- cannot give it. 

 

Once, Solas overturned the status quo without the smallest shred of doubt, certain that what he was doing was right and that he knew what was best for all.  

 

Making that choice again is clearly a burden for him: an indescribably heavy one.  He knows the personal consequences of failure now, and would not wish his path on his worst enemy.  The enormity of it comes close to breaking him, and for that exact reason he cannot ask anyone else to take up the weight. 

 

For good or ill, it is his.  

[slmisfit]

He walked the Golden City? I thought Corypheus said it was already black? Am I mishearing/mis-remembering?

 

Bye Solas...

It's possible he was lying to himself as Mother Giselle suggests - that the thought of having earned the Maker's ire and screwing up so badly was so devastating that he blocked what truly happened out of his mind and made up something else to make it more bearable. Or he could be telling the truth - that when he and the other Magisters got there, the city was already black and abandoned. We might never know for sure.

 

What comment does he make!?   I haven't come across the warrior one online, and I've only played archer!Lavellan.

I think it's something like this:

• For mages, he comments upon your indomitable will, and how it'd be fascinating to see it dominated.
• For warriors, he comments upon your muscles, and how he enjoys the sight of them.
• For rogues, he comments upon your grace/gracefulness, and how it's a fact that you're graceful.

I might be a little off for the warrior one. It's been a while since I've heard his line for warriors. But I'm pretty sure he was said something along the lines of, "I enjoy staring at you and your muscles." and I was like, "STARE AWAY, BABY."

 

I love everyone's theories. Ok what if the qunari were actually created by the ancient elves as soldiers and protectors?

When I looked up what other people thought, I found out that apparently Corypheus calls every race a mistake, or whatever line it was that people were thinking was qunari specific. So I really have no idea what's up with the qunari. They do seem dragon-like, though.

 

I'm making a new Lavellan for Solas (again... I have way too much fun with the CC).  Which hairstyle do you think is better for this face?

 

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or

 

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(And I'm sorry if it seems like I'm spamming the thread with random stuff.  This is just my favorite DA: I thread!)

I like the first hair better for her face.

[Sine_Amore]

I'm not entirely sure that his plan from the beginning hasn't changed. He clearly states that your Quizzy has changed everything. Sure, "The People" do need him, but there is more than one way to skin a... I can't finish that metaphor, but you know what I mean.

 

I'm also just hopelessly optimistic. *shrugs*

[GloriousDame]

but at least he didn't steal your power

 

Instead he steals your heart! *sobs*

 

 

 

I'd rather it be the other way around

[madrar]

The only story we have of a Forgotten One is  Fen'Harel and the Tree right? Anaris shows up in that one. It does make you wonder though: if the elven gods were so batshit crazy, what were the Forgotten Ones like?

 

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So new theory competing with my old theory. Felassan was killed by one of the Forgotten Ones and not Falon'Din or a different creator. According to the wiki the FOs can grant great power to the elves despite being locked away somewhere (whereas the Creators seem to be silent). Though Felassan was a good kind of guy so it's hard for me to see him serving pestilence or disease...

 

Remember that the concept of the Forgotten Ones is from the Dalish, and all the propaganda and vilification that a civil war entails.  

 

Had the Confederacy won the American Civil War, after a thousand years of apocalypse and rebuliding, I'm sure any surviving tales of Lincoln would paint him as a power-mad, grasping tyrant.  =w=   I suspect it is not so different here, though some of Solas' banter with Sera suggests that some elements he may have secretly allied himself with to arrange the revolution were less than savory.   I'm still not convinced it was to the point the Dalish remember. 

[Sine_Amore]

Instead he steals your heart! *sobs*

 

 

 

I'd rather it be the other way around

Well, he can still steal my heart... Just don't smash it. </3

[Sine_Amore]

Remember that the concept of the Forgotten Ones is from the Dalish, and all the propaganda and vilification that a civil war entails.  

 

Had the Confederacy won the American Civil War, after a thousand years of apocalypse and rebuliding, I'm sure any memory of Lincoln would  have been as a power-mad, grasping tyrant.  =w=   I suspect it is not so different here, though some of Solas' banter with Sera suggests that some elements he may have secretly allied himself with to arrange the revolution were less than savory.   I'm not convinced it was nearly to the point the Dalish remember. 

This is a great comparison. Lincoln did very questionable things for the time, but since his side "won", they are generally overlooked in today's history lessons.

 

Edit: Apologies for the double-posting. Finally caught up reading from last night and the thread is moving! n.n;;;

[Tielis]

But who perpetrated the "twisted" legends of Fen'Harel if the only ones left at the aftermath of Arlathan's downfall were the lower classes?  Were they simply pissed off because he instigated it without giving them any kind of game plan for the future?