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[Renmiri1]

Do you admit to Solas having any flaws? This is an honest question. I'm not sure how to approach answering this if you don't want him to be wrong in any way.

Yes I just don't see him being evil.

 

He is prideful and elitist but we can see he himself fights with his nature and will listen to your arguments if you disagree with his prejudiced views. He tries to do the right thing, he just is as loopy as Castiel from Supernatural: good intentions and super nice guy but boy does he makes bad messes for Dean and Sam to clean up!

 

He is also a mix of Clark Kent and Snape. Too prideful to go into obscurity like Clark Kent but a super nice guy like Clark, not a elitist snob saved from his worse nature by love, like Snape. And maybe Lavellan saves him like Lilly's love saved Snape 

[Lorien19]

Those who call Solas racist for disliking Sear don't know she calls a transwoman 

Spoiler

penis rot

and worse. SHE is the bigoted ******* , not Solas

Whoa!Did she actually use that term to refer to (presumably) Krem?

[Cosmia]

 

Re: relationship to elves in general:

 

Their language seems different from elven too. We don't really get to see it in action, but I pulled this from World of Thedas: amgarrak (victory), amgeforn (sacrifice), amgetoll (duty), isana (lyrium), kallak (war), salroka (friend "one at my side"), wim and wam (whine and plead). Very un-elven sounding words.

 

I wish we had more info on the languages :/ I'm a linguistics major and I'd love to obsessively pour over them.

[TheodoricFriede]

He doesn't recognize Solas, so I think the prevailing theory is that Solas didn't personally hand him the orb. Solas will also say he didn't think Corypheus could use the orb to it's full extent, which suggests he didn't offer any guidance.

 

Question.

 

What is to say that Solas game Corypheus the orb recently? Do we know that Solas didnt give him the orb many years ago, and that the orb was used to try to open the gates to the Golden City?

[Renmiri1]

Whoa!Did she actually use that term to refer to (presumably) Krem?

No to a Trans in Orlais that "passed" as woman. She said worse. Bioware apologized but the line is still in the game I think.

[scintilla]

Those who call Solas racist for disliking Sear don't know she calls a transwoman 

Spoiler

penis rot

and worse. SHE is the bigoted ******* , not Solas

 

They're both racist. When Solas tells an Inquisitor he likes that "they're a credit to their race?" He's being racist. When he tells one he doesn't like that they're proving him right about their race? He's being racist. He's saying your race is garbage but you are somehow special and good and not like them or that you are proving him right about what a waste of space your entire race is. This is racism.

 

Yes I just don't see him being evil.

 

He is prideful and elitist but we can see he himself fights with his nature and will listen to your arguments if you disagree with his prejudiced views. He tries to do the right thing, he just is as loopy as Castiel from Supernatural: good intentions and super nice guy but boy does he makes bad messes for Dean and Sam to clean up!

 

He is also a mix of Clark Kent and Snape. Too prideful to go into obscurity like Clark Kent but a super nice guy like Clark, not a elitist snob saved from his worse nature by love, like Snape. And maybe Lavellan saves him like Lilly's love saved Snape 

 

I don't think anyone called him evil. He's just flawed and those flaws aren't limited to how sad his life has been.

[Birdy]

No to a Trans in Orlais that "passed" as woman. She said worse. Bioware apologized but the line is still in the game I think.

Why would they apologize? It's in character. And whoa, I knew bringing her no where was a great idea.

[MidgetNemo]

Now that i have completed the game, finally, and no longer fear spoilers, I'd like to ask.



What is the general fan reaction to the big Solas reveal?


Personally, i found it fascinating. More-so than any character, Solas shocked me with a level of quality I haven't seen in a while.
Further, while I imagine many might dislike the truth, I feel it further cements him as one of the best characters Bioware has ever made.

I was really happy actually,ever since they released those first screenshots of him I had a feeling that something was up with him and I wanted to be right about him (back then I thought he was an ancient elf with a connection to Fen'Harel) because I've been hoping for a LI like this for ages,so to me this just makes me even more excited for where they're taking his story,especially since he's such a well written and fascinating character

[madrar]

Do you admit to Solas having any flaws? This is an honest question. I'm not sure how to approach answering this if you don't want him to be wrong in any way.

 

Absolutely, though he's not nearly the disaster on wheels he was in his youth.  Pride may have turned back into Wisdom, but at the end of the game (-in a twist that makes even less sense in a Solavellan playthrough than with others-) he seems to finally abandon even the ghost of his long-held hope that the People could find a path on their own, and that turning back the clock is the only way to undo what he's done.  

 

It's an admission of defeat, and the inverse of his original mistake.  The burden of choice is still his to bear, but he's given up.   Deeply flawed thinking, in my opinon.

[scintilla]

Question.

 

What is to say that Solas game Corypheus the orb recently? Do we know that Solas didnt give him the orb many years ago, and that the orb was used to try to open the gates to the Golden City?

 

Because Solas says in the post credits scene that he was weak after waking up and couldn't activate the orb himself. Presumably, he didn't wake up centuries ago and remain weak all that time.

[Lulumi_Lumi]

He got away, spent some years as mage warden Larius, got contacted by Bianca (she is such a ******)  found red lyrium, made it work for his purposes, got wardens freaked out with the calling, got templars and samnson to join him.. a lot of years before that explosion.

 

From what I read, Solas was asleep in Uthenera and the orb was taken (stolen) from him by Cory. He blames himself because he was careless but I don't think he gave it willingly, more like he left it lying around in the place he was sleeping thinking no one would find it and if they did no one would know how to use it.

 

But Flemeth says "You should not have given your orb to Corypheus" in the cutscene after the credits? 

 

One last thing before work, because some of the Solas/Sera antagonism is being used to support his characterisation as prideful, arrogant, or even "racist":

 

What drives him insane about Sara is not the fact that she's not "elfy" enough.   It's that she's so willfully resistant to having her worldview challenged.  Her temperament is the precise opposite of all that he hopes for from his People: the openness, the curiousity, the desire to understand.   Instead, because of her particular background, every time she's faced with anything that might plant a seed of doubt in her mind, she (metaphorically) plugs her ears and sings as loudly as she can.  

 

He makes her head hurt.  She rejects him over and over, and he still doesn't give up trying to reach her.   

 

This is the Solas we know.  Stubbornly clinging to a threadbare hope that there's something salvageable in the epic mess he's created.  He is broken.  He is tired.  But still, he will not give up without a fight.   Give the guy credit where it's due.

 

I don't really see him trying to help Sera in any way, in their banter he says that she is "the furthest from what you were meant to be" and "She's no more an elf than I am a horse" if anything he is just as rude to her that she is to him.

[Abelas]

About the Sera/Solas debacle.

I’m actually a big fan of both characters. I think they both have prejudices. Sera we have to take into account the life she led, I found an actual great insight into her character on tumblr: here.

 

 

I think the way Solas treats her is wrong, and for her he’s just one more elf that will use her race to hurt her and tell her that she is all wrong. I’m hesitant to go around calling racism to the race that is having the worst part of the deal, but for all his preaching against romanticizing the past I think Solas is elitist about what it means to be elven. There are a lot of things that run into this, and to some extent I can understand, but the way he calls Lavellan real (and by extension, the others unreal) tells me that he has an idea of how they should act, and that he thinks very lowly of how they are today. 

[TheodoricFriede]

I'm so glad you said that Theo!  It's mixed but most seem to like him, according the poll over in Scuttlebutt he's the 4th favourite companion, and when it comes to the best romance poll...well he's totally won that with a landslide, makes me feel all fuzzy.

He is, without question, the best new character in the game. I have characters I like more than him (Varric, Merrill, and so forth) but i cant deny that he is absolutely incredible.

 

 

There is a lot of confusion it seems though, people tend to immediately think "Oh next big bad!" but I don't think there's a great deal of thought behind that.

See, part of why I find it so fascinating is that we honestly have no idea.

 

I dont know if Solas is a misunderstood god, whose best efforts to help the world ended in horror, of if he truly is the "Trickster" and he fooled us all.

 

I dont even know how to interpret the epilog. Did Solas kill Mythal? Did he intend to? Were his tears real, or did the Dread Wolf merely trick another to their doom?

[Birdy]

I'll just put this back here.

[InkQuest]

Now that i have completed the game, finally, and no longer fear spoilers, I'd like to ask.

 

What is the general fan reaction to the big Solas reveal?

 

Personally, i found it fascinating. More-so than any character, Solas shocked me with a level of quality I haven't seen in a while, and while I imagine many might dislike the truth, I feel it further cements him as one of the best characters Bioware has ever made.

 

I was excited since the day I saw him in concept art, and had a feeling something was up with him, but the big reveal came as a surprise for me. It definitely added a new spin on things, and made a lot of his comments make more sense. At the moment he's probably my favourite character Bioware has done, and doing his romance first pretty much ruined all the others for me, lol.

 

I am very much excited to see where Bioware goes with him; the ending had enough ambiguity that they could take his character in many directions from here. 

[Renmiri1]

Whoa!Did she actually use that term to refer to (presumably) Krem?

http://socialjustice...uisition-and-if

[TheodoricFriede]

Because Solas says in the post credits scene that he was weak after waking up and couldn't activate the orb himself. Presumably, he didn't wake up centuries ago and remain weak all that time.

Maybe, but do gods work the same way as mortals?

 

Sure, it would be thousands of years, but how long does it take for a god to regain his powers?

[Ajna]

He is, without question, the best new character in the game. I have characters I like more than him (Varric, Merrill, and so forth) but i cant deny that he is absolutely incredible.

 

 

See, part of why I find it so fascinating is that we honestly have no idea.

 

I dont know if Solas is a misunderstood god, whose best efforts to help the world ended in horror, of if he truly is the "Trickster" and he fooled us all.

 

I dont even know how to interpret the epilog. Did Solas kill Mythal? Did he intend to? Were his tears real, or did the Dread Wolf merely trick another to their doom?

Yup, we don't know.  I have my own opinion which is incredibly biased and based on nothing more than what I hope.  It could have been their plan b, I like this idea.  I don't think he duped us, I really don't, probably doing this romance helps with that..he feels very genuine.  He's my favourite character of the series now, I wasn't expecting that at all.

[Renmiri1]

I wish we had more info on the languages :/ I'm a linguistics major and I'd love to obsessively pour over them.

not a true language, just a cesar cipher 

http://dedalvs.tumbl...agon-ages-elven

 

Hey do you happen to know if Dragon Age's Elven and Tevinter are complete languages like yours ? They didn't look like languages to me but on this last game (Dragon Age Inquisition) there are a lot of conversations in elven and I'm starting to wonder ... Ar lath ma vehlen is one example, means roughly I love you (my) heart. dareth shiral to you

renmiri

 

As far as I can tell from the wiki page, it’s basically an English cipher, with, perhaps, someone over there figuring out word types (e.g. noun vs. verb vs. adjective). Using restaurants as an analogy, it looks like the rough equivalent of, say, a guy selling burritos out of the back of his car, maybe? You may like them (depending on where you get them, homemade burritos can be excellent), but it wouldn’t be appropriate to compare it to the fare at a five star restaurant—or even a two star food truck.

For those who don’t create languages, I know it seems like it’s really difficult to create a language, but it’s actually very simple to create a bad one. If you decide that word order will decide which is the subject and which the object, you can create word forms for every single word in English, and, bam! New language. E.g.:

frondel = dog

zesten = cat

an = the

drok = chase

-ut = -ed

An frondel drokut an zesten.

"The dog chased the cat."

You can probably create a computer program to generate a thousand of these an hour. You can get slightly more complicated and make up kooky definitions for word forms, like zlefik, “the emotion one feels upon realizing that one wasn’t paying attention when a stranger entered the room and made their initial salutations to those in attendance”, but it doesn’t make the language more interesting. It’s still basically a coded form of English.

So, to answer the question, the language is not one like mine or that a conlanger would make, but given the type of creation it is, it can probably generate a large vocabulary rather quickly, and can be used for translation. It won’t be worthy of note, but if one likes it, then one can certainly enjoy using it.

 

 

if you like languages you should follow dedalvs

[Renmiri1]

Question.

 

What is to say that Solas game Corypheus the orb recently? Do we know that Solas didnt give him the orb many years ago, and that the orb was used to try to open the gates to the Golden City?

because he woke up recently as he orb was taken

[Birdy]

http://socialjustice...uisition-and-if

O.o That isn't what she was saying. She was justs naming off people she saw in the crowd.  Way to take it out of context.  Crotch Rot and He's a she are two different people.

[Renmiri1]

Why would they apologize? It's in character. And whoa, I knew bringing her no where was a great idea.

was really bad. appalling even

 

http://socialjustice...uisition-and-if

[TurtleTape]

I was excited since the day I saw him in concept art, and had a feeling something was up with him, but the big reveal came as a surprise for me. It definitely added a new spin on things, and made a lot of his comments make more sense. At the moment he's probably my favourite character Bioware has done, and doing his romance first pretty much ruined all the others for me, lol.
 
I am very much excited to see where Bioware goes with him; the ending had enough ambiguity that they could take his character in many directions from here.

I was not really all that much into the community when things were being announced, and I kind of steered clear of most game information, but Solas was kind of off my radar. I was really curious about Cole, and about how Solas and Cole would interact. And I was all about riding the Bull. Dorian was kind of interesting. I'm pleasantly surprised at how some of the characters have just lept up and become some of my favorites for the series, including Solas.

[Renmiri1]

O.o That isn't what she was saying. She was justs naming off people she saw in the crowd.  Way to take it out of context.  Crotch Rot and He's a she are two different people.

Don't really think so, it isn't what Bioware said. They said it was in character for her to call a trans this because she is an arsehole. 

[Birdy]

was really bad. appalling even

 

http://socialjustice...uisition-and-if

Nope. That's totally not what was happening. Hasn't anyone ever played naming people in a crowd?  That's all Sera was doing.  

 

 

Don't really think so, it isn't what Bioware said. They said it was in character for her to call a trans this because she is an arsehole. 

 

Where's this official Bioware says? I dont' even like Sera and that doesn't' sound right, especially how that dialogue went.