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[Eivuwan]

Came as a shock to me, too, though I tried to keep unspoilered before release.  

 

That smooth confidence (and in retrospect, its source) are what put a wrench in the early romance for me, though.   It feels a bit like the lord having a dalliance with a pretty milkmaid on the side of the road.  Yes, Lavellan is physically attractive and mentally intriguing, but given the inherent imbalance of power w/r/t who and what he is... they're not dealing on equal terms yet.   Before he sees her as real, before she tempts him into being truly invested in the here and now, all that passion seems a bit cheap and unearned, I guess.

 

I'd have preferred the overall arc if he'd been intensely interested, pulled to her despite himself in the beginning, but kept the real emotional connection and kiss for post-Halamshiral (skillful navigation of the Game would underscore Lavellan's ability to stand toe to toe with any of his ancient peers in Arlathan) or the vallaslin scene.  

 

Hmm, I am not sure what you mean by the early romance. You mean the first kiss scene? I saw them as both being bold and uninhibited because that's how people are when they're dreaming.

[Eivuwan]

Solas alone. http://mellorianjart.tumblr.com/

 

[Tamyn]

Hmm, I am not sure what you mean by the early romance. You mean the first kiss scene? I saw them as both being bold and uninhibited because that's how people are when they're dreaming.

 

Yes, I've done things in dreams I never would in real life.

[Aetheria]

That smooth confidence (and in retrospect, its source) are what put a wrench in the early romance for me, though.   It feels a bit like the lord having a dalliance with a pretty milkmaid on the side of the road.  Yes, Lavellan is physically attractive and mentally intriguing, but given the inherent imbalance of power w/r/t who and what he is... they're not dealing on equal terms yet.   Before he sees her as real, before she tempts him into being truly invested in the here and now, all that passion seems a bit cheap and unearned, I guess.

I think I'd read that as intentional on the part of the writers, actually; from the dialogue it seems like Solas is pretty conflicted about whether or not it's right/fair to get involved with her, and throughout there's a sense that All Is Not Quite Right with what you might initially take to be a sweet cute romance story. Plus it fits with his being a pretty ambiguous character on the good guy/bad guy scale.

[The Oracle]

I had no planned romances going into this game. TBH I went in just really wanting to find out what happened to my Warden/Hawke, my companions and Thedas after all these years. I wanted to talk to Alistair again, kick it back with Varric...maybe even clash with a Arishok Sten and then sway him to my side with kittens covered in cookies (didn't get that wish, I miss Sten!).

 

Got into the game and became completely hooked with all the characters. I loved Cass, was upset at how harsh Leliana had become, thought Josie was a sweetheart and Cullen a dreamboat. The there was Solas. Ugh, That soft Welsh accent reminded me of summers spent in Llandudno as a kid. When I first saw the artwork for him I thought he looked like the devs were showing off the extreme settings of the character creator in one face. But, I don't know how, in game it just works. His expressions and gestures are natural, fluid and graceful. And all the knowledge. Ugh, intelligence adds 100 points to the Sex-o-meter instantly. Plus he's not all sweetness and light, I disagreed with him hugely about some things, have wanted to whack him several times for how he's judged Dorian and his "I know how other people will think and act based on my prejudice of their race and culture". But still, the flaws give him life and make him compelling. While I hope he grows and develops in the future, I hope he still keeps some of his flaws as they make him, well him.

[kalasaurus]

Add this to the Sollavellan playlist:

 

 

Now I was once a fool, it's true

I played the game by all the rules

But now my world's a deeper blue

I'm sadder, but I'm wiser too

I swore I'd never love again

I swore my heart would never mend

Said love wasn't worth the pain

But then I hear it call my name

 

Spoiler

Love can be a many splendored thing

Can't deny the joy it brings

A dozen roses, diamond rings

Dreams for sale and fairy tales

It'll make you hear a symphony

And you just want the world to see

But like a drug that makes you blind,

It'll fool ya every time

 

The trouble with love is

It can tear you up inside

Make your heart believe a lie

It's stronger than your pride

The trouble with love is

It doesn't care how fast you fall

And you can't refuse the call

See, you got no say at all

 

Now I was once a fool, it's true

I played the game by all the rules

But now my world's a deeper blue

I'm sadder, but I'm wiser too

I swore I'd never love again

I swore my heart would never mend

Said love wasn't worth the pain

But then I hear it call my name

 

(The trouble with) The trouble with love is

It can tear you up inside

Make your heart believe a lie

It's stronger than your pride

The trouble with love is

It doesn't care how fast you fall

And you can't refuse the call

See, you got no say at all

 

Every time I turn around

I think I've got it all figured out

My heart keeps callin' and I keep on fallin'

Over and over again

This sad story always ends the same

Me standin' in the pourin' rain

It seems no matter what I do

It tears my heart in two

 

(The trouble with love is) The trouble with love, yeah

(It can tear you up inside) It can tear you up inside

(Make your heart believe a lie) Make your heart believe a lie

It's stronger than your pride

 

(The trouble with love is)

It's in your heart

It's in your soul (doesn't care how fast you fall)

You won't get no control

(and you can't refuse the call)

See, you got no say at all

 

(The trouble with love is) Oh, yeah

(It can tear you up inside)

(Make your heart believe a lie)

[Aviena]

Spoiler

I'm still reading (and should really be trying to avoid these spoilers more) but to me, the vibe Felassan gives off seems too woodsy-foresty for a Solas era ancient.  Old, definitely.  Arlathan ancient?   I have doubts.  

 

As an aside, can anyone who has read the book fill me in on why his particular vallaslin elicit such pointed shock from city elves?  I assume they're not so isolated from the Dalish to be surprised by the patterns of the usual pantheon.   Would an answer be serious spoiler territory?  

 

Spoiler

You should definitely finish the book, but iirc nothing special is revealed about his vallaslin. I think the city elves of Orlais are just shocked by vallaslin in general.

 

Question.

 

What is to say that Solas game Corypheus the orb recently? Do we know that Solas didnt give him the orb many years ago, and that the orb was used to try to open the gates to the Golden City?

 

Oops, missed this.   Two things here.  First, Solas may have been (and may still be) naive about some of the darker aspects of human nature, but he's not an idiot- he didn't hand his orb to the blighted, crazed Darkspawn!Corypheus we know today.  He gave his orb to powerful mortal magister!Corypheus when he woke up to find Tevinter crushing the people he'd just sacrificed his peers to "save" thousands of years ago.  

 

Remember: during the Haven encounter Corypheus describes having once "breached the fade in the name of another".  It's possible Solas sent him there expressly to negotiate the return of the elvish leadership.   Of course, according to Corypheus, finding nothing but darkness (blight) the magisters instead bent it to their will and unleashed the First Blight.  So much for that plan, Solas.

 

Feel free to add "painful lack of foresight" to his laundry list of character flaws.

 

I don't think that Cory used the orb in his ORIGINAL Black City break and enter, and I don't think that Solas gave the orb to him until recently.

 

1) If Cory *had* used the orb in break and enter #1, he should have already have an anchor on his hand to allow him to enter the Fade physically, no?

 

2) If he *had* used the orb in break and enter #1, but did NOT require the use of an anchor, why does he suddenly need an anchor now?

 

I'm inclined to believe Corypheus when he says the city was already corrupted. Mostly because he sounds so intent when he says so, and because I can't think of a good reason why magisters entering the city should suddenly create the Blight, anyway.

[madrar]

Hmm, I am not sure what you mean by the early romance. You mean the first kiss scene? I saw them as both being bold and uninhibited because that's how people are when they're dreaming.

 

True, but at the time, he knows that they're dreaming- Lavellan doesn't.  Even aside from the identity thing, the inferred imbalance of power still rubs me the wrong way a bit.  Lavellan intiates, yes, but then the gentlemanly thing do do - if you happen to be an ancient elf-ruler-god in this circumstance - would be to reassure the other party that the attraction was mutual but slow things way the heck down.  

 

His sudden RAWR FADE TONGUE seems a bit... selfishly opportunistic, I guess.   And again- his attraction isn't based on an appreciation of Lavellan as an equal yet.   I can't describe it any better than that.   Just doesn't sit quite right with the rest of his character for me.

[Eivuwan]

True, but at the time, he knows that they're dreaming- Lavellan doesn't.  Even aside from the identity thing, the inferred imbalance of power still rubs me the wrong way a bit.  Lavellan intiates, yes, but then the gentlemanly thing do do - if you happen to be an ancient elf-ruler-god in this circumstance - would be to reassure the other party that the attraction was mutual but slow things way the heck down.  

 

His sudden RAWR FADE TONGUE seems a bit... selfishly opportunistic, I guess.   And again- his attraction isn't based on an appreciation of Lavellan as an equal yet.   I can't describe it any better than that.   Just doesn't sit quite right with the rest of his character for me.

 

Hmm, well I can see where you are coming from, but when I experienced that scene for the first time I didn't know who he really was so it was just hot.

[Wheels]

I just have to share it now. I found a song a few days ago that reminds me of Skyhold.

It also has a Solas connection ("And just like a work of art, we'll tell our stories on these walls"), so it's not off topic!

It's just a little too optimistic and a tiny bit kitschy, but it's called "North", and when I replayed the scene where Solas even says they should go north.... Where the inquisition can grow... Just listen! And I'm so sorry for my bad taste in music! *runs away*

 

Video:

Spoiler

 

 

Lyrics:

Spoiler

 We will call this place our home,

The dirt in which our roots may grow.
Though the storms will push and pull,
We will call this place our home.

We’ll tell our stories on these walls.
Every year, measure how tall.
And just like a work of art,
We’ll tell our stories on these walls.

Let the years we’re here be kind, be kind.
Let our hearts, like doors, open wide, open wide.
Settle our bones like wood over time, over time.
Give us bread, give us salt, give us wine.

A little broken, a little new.
We are the impact and the glue.
Capable of more than we know,
We call this fixer upper home.

With each year, our color fades.
Slowly, our paint chips away.
But we will find the strength
And the nerve it takes
To repaint and repaint and repaint every day.

Let the years we’re here be kind, be kind.
Let our hearts, like doors, open wide, open wide.
Settle our bones like wood over time, over time.
Give us bread, give us salt, give us wine.
Let the years we’re here be kind, be kind.
Let our hearts, like doors, open wide, open wide.
Settle our bones like wood over time, over time.
Give us bread, give us salt, give us wine.
Give us bread, give us salt, give us wine.

Smaller than dust on this map
Lies the greatest thing we have:
The dirt in which our roots may grow

And the right to call it home.

[Eivuwan]

http://geeky-jez.tum...-a-hypothetical

 

This fanfic makes me want to cry and laugh at the same time. Dunno how to feel.

[Renmiri1]

er, well.  If you subscribe to Madrar's Crazy House of Theories, he doesn't.

 

1.  After the magister Sethius Amladaris betrays him...

 

Even for a weak and sleepy God it sounds the height of idiocy to just hand your orb and then go take  a nap for 1,000 years trusting a mortal to take care of things for you

 

Nope. If Solas let anyone get his orb he would monitor what was being done with it, not go back to bed.

 

Solas lost the orb a day or two before DAI starts and that is why he was so close to the mountain. Cory wouldn't be mad enough to get the orb and keep it around for 1,000 years either without using it. He just got the orb! He might have planned for it and get all resources for immediate action when he was ready to use it. but ther is no way he had the orb for long.

[Hedinve]

I thought Cory went into the fade via bloodmagic and in the name and help from Dumat? So the orb shouldn't have anything to do with that.

[madrar]

Spoiler

You should definitely finish the book, but iirc nothing special is revealed about his vallaslin. I think the city elves of Orlais are just shocked by vallaslin in general.

 

 

 

I don't think that Cory used the orb in his ORIGINAL Black City break and enter, and I don't think that Solas gave the orb to him until recently.

 

1) If Cory *had* used the orb in break and enter #1, he should have already have an anchor on his hand to allow him to enter the Fade physically, no?

 

2) If he *had* used the orb in break and enter #1, but did NOT require the use of an anchor, why does he suddenly need an anchor now?

 

I'm inclined to believe Corypheus when he says the city was already corrupted. Mostly because he sounds so intent when he says so, and because I can't think of a good reason why magisters entering the city should suddenly create the Blight, anyway.

 

Huh?  The blight was definitely already present when Corypheus and co broke into the city.  All they did was take control and provide an 'infection path' back to the surface.  

 

As for the anchor, that's less clear.  It may be on one of the other magisters, still lost in the Deep Roads.  It may be that the anchor was Corypheus trying to do something slightly different from the previous ritual.  There aren't many threads to pull on, here.

[Renmiri1]

Just thinkin' about all the Solas cosplayers we will get in the next year or so.

 

(ღ˘⌣˘ღ)

 

I want Solas VA with a shaved head (or that fake one they use in movies) on a Dragoncon or comicon near me

[Eivuwan]

Hmm, from all the kiss scenes it's so obvious that Lavellan is so overcome by his kisses that she couldn't even react. You see her arms just kind of hanging there, not exactly hugging him. She also never kisses him back as fiercely as he kissed her. I guess it's intentional by the writers to make us feel the impact of the kiss as much as Lavellan.

[Abelas]

A little off-topic, but I just recalled a quote that really reminds me of the dalish, and one of the reasons I love them so much. It really captures the sadness that permeated their story, imo. 

 

❝The feelings that hurt most, the emotions that sting most, are those that are absurd - The longing for impossible things, precisely because they are impossible; nostalgia for what never was; the desire for what could have been; regret over not being someone else; dissatisfaction with the world’s existence. All these half-tones of the soul’s consciousness create in us a painful landscape, an eternal sunset of what we are.❞

FERNANDO PESSOA, THE BOOK OF DISQUIET

[Eivuwan]

I want Solas VA with a shaved head (or that fake one they use in movies) on a Dragoncon or comicon near me

 

Haha, Solas VA is attractive in his own way, but he looks nothing like Solas.

[Aviena]

Huh?  The blight was definitely already present when Corypheus and co broke into the city.  All they did was take control and provide an 'infection path' back to the surface.  

 

I should have clarified that the comment on the city wasn't a reaction to your posts, but rather the "is he just confused?" question raised by Mother Giselle. 

[madrar]

Even for a weak and sleepy God it sounds the height of idiocy to just hand your orb and then go take  a nap for 1,000 years trusting a mortal to take care of things for you

 

Nope. If Solas let anyone get his orb he would monitor what was being done with it, not go back to bed.

 

Solas lost the orb a day or two before DAI starts and that is why he was so close to the mountain. Cory wouldn't be mad enough to get the orb and keep it around for 1,000 years either without using it. He just got the orb! He might have planned for it and get all resources for immediate action when he was ready to use it. but ther is no way he had the orb for long.

 

I'm... confused.  Are you quoting my post because you think I think he went back to sleep?

 

In my theoretical timeline, Solas gives Sethius Amladaris his orb, Amladaris uses it to break into the City, takes the name "Corypheus".   First Blight pretty much immediately follows and things are looking bad until Wardens band together and seal him away.   (Possibly with the orb, possibly after stashing it the first, second, third, etc time they unsuccessfully "kill" him before they figure out he has to be imprisoned instead.)

 

So Corypheus didn't have thousands of years to abuse the orb- just the time between the veil breach and his sealing.   Solas was awake (and horrified) through the whole First Blight.  He was just powerless to do anything about it.  

 

When Hawke inadvertently wakes Corypheus -thousands of years later at this point- he springs back into action pretty much immediately.  Same basic plan, same orb.  Just takes a few years to get all the pieces in place.  How Solas (who has been awake all this time, presumably desperately trying to figure out what happened to Corypheus and his orb) got wind of this and knew to be in the right place at the right time is not entirely clear.

[Renmiri1]

Came as a shock to me, too, though I tried to keep unspoilered before release.  

 

That smooth confidence (and in retrospect, its source) are what put a wrench in the early romance for me, though.   It feels a bit like the lord having a dalliance with a pretty milkmaid on the side of the road.  Yes, Lavellan is physically attractive and mentally intriguing, but given the inherent imbalance of power w/r/t who and what he is... they're not dealing on equal terms yet.   Before he sees her as real, before she tempts him into being truly invested in the here and now, all that passion seems a bit cheap and unearned, I guess.

 

I'd have preferred the overall arc if he'd been intensely interested, pulled to her despite himself in the beginning, but kept the real emotional connection and kiss for post-Halamshiral (skillful navigation of the Game would underscore Lavellan's ability to stand toe to toe with any of his ancient peers in Arlathan) or the vallaslin scene.  

 

you didn't see that ? I saw that fade tongue kiss as the quintessential, "i shouldn't it isn't fair to her but I can't help it Lavellan is ma waifu" and his repeated attempts to stop as his conscience nagging him and his heart telling him to get with Lavellan.

 

He even says "It's kinder in the long run but losing you.." which I think it means exactly that: It is kinder to you if I resist my attraction to you Lavellan but if you die and we never shared a kiss I'll never forgive myself.

[Renmiri1]

I'm... confused.  Are you quoting my post because you think I think he went back to sleep?

 

In my theoretical timeline, Solas gives Sethius Amladaris his orb, Amladaris uses it to break into the City, First Blight pretty much immediately follows, and Corypheus is sealed away.   (Possibly with the orb, possibly after stashing it the first, second, third, etc time the Wardens unsuccessfully "killed" him before they figured out he had to be imprisoned instead.)

 

So Corypheus didn't have thousands of years to abuse the orb- just the time between the veil breach and his sealing.   Solas was awake (and horrified) through the whole First Blight.  He was just powerless to do anything about it.  

 

When Hawke inadvertently wakes Corypheus -thousands of years later at this point- he springs back into action pretty much immediately.  Same basic plan, same orb.

 

still looks awfully out of character for Solas to not help with the first Blight.He jumps in to help Cassandra immediately, why wouldn't he help if his orb caused the first blight ? And would Solas accept being 1,000 years apart from his orb ? why ? and if he had it for those 1,000 years why on earth he would give it to Cory AGAIN ? Makes zero sense.

 

Nope, your theory has a big gaping hole. The Solas we know would never let things stay if he was to blame for the first blight. And would never do the same idiotic thing, give Cory the orb, TWICE.

[WaterMage100]

I remember at some point in DAI Corypheus mentions that the Inquisitor disrupted something that was years in the making

Spoiler

...so just how long do you think Solas has been "awake" if Corypheus has had the orb for years? Or maybe getting the orb is recent development and Corypheus was referring to his own plans.

 

 

In other news -- this song has been stuck in my head all day. It's "Animal" by Miike Snow. It really reminds me of the inner turmoil Solas constantly seems to be having any time he makes a move on Lavellan. 

Spoiler

That song is one of my favorites, so as soon as I started singing/mouthing the lyrics I gasped when I felt how it connected to Solas!

[TurtleTape]

lol, I'm doing the Crestwood "drain the lake" section, and there's that couple in the dam. I just got like three different approvals from Solas for talking to them and teasing them about their choice of romantic hideaway. That was unexpected.

Also Cole's just a walking spoiler "The mayor's shame! It had this shape!" DAI is heavy on the foreshadowing.

[drake2511]

Awesome art I wanted to share because hot.


Younger Solas: http://ruxandralache...a-younger-solas