At the same time... You can't just come out and say:
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Pretty sure that's how you just get killed or thrown into an insane asylum. Especially since he's too weak at the time to do anything about it.
Especially to a Dalish elf who is told the Dread Wolf is the worst possible being.
Do you really tell the whole truth in any situation? I sure don't. I can't bring myself to condemn his secrecy at all considering the context. Lying isn't de facto a horrible action.
I think if they had rode off into the sunset together and he never told her, it would be a problem.
They lying he did about himself seemed more to protect then deceive. . . Well after the romance, before he got these sinister looks of calculating.
I'm glad we got to know Solas without knowing his identity as Fen'Harel. We got to know him as a person, without his history interfering (since that history seems to be largely wrong, or at least twisted).
If he wanted to continue his relationship with Lavellan, however, he would have to talk to her about it at some point. But I don't mind her finding that out after they get to know each other.
I don't recall my Lavellan ever telling anyone that she was actually at the Conclave to spy for her clan. I doubt Leliana, Vivienne, Blackwall, and other party members have spilled all for the sake of the Inquisition. The only person I might suspect would totally 100% honest with you if you asked would be Cole.
Especially to a Dalish elf who is told the Dread Wolf is the worst possible being.
He could have told the truth in a different way, instead of keeping it all to himself. Telling the truth doesn't have to be a verbal vomiting of the facts. Truth being told in a compassionate way is what I think is best. And he may have intended that, before he had to switch to Plan B.
Do you really tell the whole truth in any situation? I sure don't. I can't bring myself to condemn his secrecy at all considering the context. Lying isn't de facto a horrible action.
Really? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Here's a clipping from that Psychology Today article I linked to, spoilered for formatting. I thought that was very interesting in relation to our favorite egghead.
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So am I the only one who thinks that it's ironic that the mark is actually created by a "divine" being (whether Fen'harel is actually a god is a matter of debate).At the same time... You can't just come out and say:
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Pretty sure that's how you just get killed or thrown into an insane asylum. Especially since he's too weak at the time to do anything about it.
I don't recall my Lavellan ever telling anyone that she was actually at the Conclave to spy for her clan. I doubt Leliana, Vivienne, Blackwall, and other party members have spilled all for the sake of the Inquisition. The only person I might suspect would totally 100% honest with you if you asked would be Cole.
Doesn't Quizzy say she was sent by their clan? Very beginning when Cassandra asks about why you were there?
So am I the only one who thinks that it's ironic that the mark is actually created by a "divine" being (whether Fen'harel is actually a god is a matter of debate).
So the inquisitor is instead the herald of Fen'harel! xD
I think the Quizzy absorbed the power of the orb (All the power had to go somewhere), so would that make Quizzy the "divine" being. 
This a person hiding he is a demonized god. And yes I lie all the time, I lied half an hour ago, I said I'm not sure santa is real. I'm sure he isn't, but I preferred to let my kid live in magical world a little longer.
WHAT!? How could you say that!!? 
SANTA IS REAL!! 
OMG! Birdy that's priceless! And so accurate. Though I still think it should be the FAAAAAAADE
I think one of my favorites moments with Solas disapproval was when I took him into the Fade and when faced with Terror I asked Justinia how to kill it. "Solas disapproves". 
Solas, no! This demon is willingly working with Corypheus. It's devouring the fears of the people of Thedas. It's already made it's plans clear. It wants to kill us. We're killing the demon, babe.
I felt that one was a little out there even for him though.
OMG! Birdy that's priceless! And so accurate.
Though I still think it should be the FAAAAAAADE
I think one of my favorites moments with Solas disapproval was when I took him into the Fade and when faced with Terror I asked Justinia how to kill it. "Solas disapproves".
Solas, no! This demon is willingly working with Corypheus. It's devouring the fears of the people of Thedas. It's already made it's plans clear. It wants to kill us. We're killing the demon, babe.
I felt that one was a little out there even for him though.
Maybe he thinks that we should have tried to turn him into Valor instead?
Doesn't Quizzy say she was sent by their clan? Very beginning when Cassandra asks about why you were there?
I think so? It just seems to be something people know? Solas mentions the Lavellan clan having the sense to send someone, so clearly at one point someone said something.
He could have told the truth in a different way, instead of keeping it all to himself. Telling the truth doesn't have to be a verbal vomiting of the facts. Truth being told in a compassionate way is what I think is best. And he may have intended that, before he had to switch to Plan B.
Really? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Here's a clipping from that Psychology Today article I linked to, spoilered for formatting. I thought that was very interesting in relation to our favorite egghead.
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BPD? Bipolar disorder? So, now we're assuming that Solas has a mental illness? As someone who has a family history of BPD, I can very confidently say that I don't think Solas has BPD. Just from experience with my mom, aunt, grandmother, et cetera.
And even though I have a complete and utter hatred of lies, I do believe that there is a time and place for talking about more complex issues. Sure, he knew about Coryfish and the orb, but he couldn't be sure what exactly had happened with either one of them until much later into the game. Furthermore, he couldn't do anything about it except help the Inquisition to the best of his ability..
I dunno, we may have to agree to disagree. Even though I absolutely loathe lying, I don't think his omissions were malicious, they just weren't useful at the time. They would gain him distrust, ire, maybe even more. The Inquisition absolutely needed his help more than they needed all of his secrets, in my opinion. /:
Doesn't Quizzy say she was sent by their clan? Very beginning when Cassandra asks about why you were there?
I think so, but I don't believe you admit that you were spying specifically.
What you wrote made me think
Maybe were taking the character fron the wrong angle by trying to say 'he's not that bad'.
Maybe he used to be that bad. Maybe he used to be an ass of a god, selfish, always getting his way, tricking people. He got annoyed of people not thinking for themselves and locked the gods away so they would have to stop killing each other for bs reasons.
Then 1000 years of Fade and learning, meeting spirits that could teach him virtues. So his compassionate side might have grown, but he never got to practice it for real either. Its like, you know he wants to help the poor and such... he just isnt someone you feel has ever walked in the mud with them. He jsut saw the aftermaths and learned from it.
Anyhow, the Solas you get in Inquisition might be his best attempt at understanding others, however flawed it is. And he might actually have made lots of progress from his starting point.
You dont see him change his stance that much during the course of the game but he tries. He takes tiny chances then falls back. I dont know how immortal gods learn, but maybe they need to be proved wrong more then once to erase a millenium of believing to be right?
All that to say, as flawed a man Solas is, maybe hes actually quite open minded for a god?
I don't think Solas appreciates being called a god, and I also don't think the elven gods are anything more than ancient, powerful elves. So I don't really consider him to be open-minded "for a god." But perhaps he could be considered open-minded compared to other elven "gods."
He says he was more rash in his youth, and I certainly still see that in him. If you touch on a topic he feels strongly about, his responses are quite emotional, even though his arguments are logical (for example in his party banters with Iron Bull about the Qun). So I can imagine in his youth that he might not have listened to others as carefully during arguments. If he was passionate about his opinions, he might have talked over others, or ignored their opinions more. The Solas we know now is willing to listen to reasonable arguments, even when he hates the inquisitor and disagrees with them.
And I just love how Solas comes off as very genuine in expressing his opinions/ emotions. His responses to certain topics are rapid-fire and emotional, and he doesn't typically pause to consider his words as I would expect with someone who's really trying to change themselves. So I think he's become more open to listening to the opinions of others, but I don't think his opinions have really changed much over the years. He just is able to temper his passion enough to consider the opinions of others... before dismissing them (lol).
OMG! Birdy that's priceless! And so accurate.
Though I still think it should be the FAAAAAAADE
I think one of my favorites moments with Solas disapproval was when I took him into the Fade and when faced with Terror I asked Justinia how to kill it. "Solas disapproves".
Solas, no! This demon is willingly working with Corypheus. It's devouring the fears of the people of Thedas. It's already made it's plans clear. It wants to kill us. We're killing the demon, babe.
I felt that one was a little out there even for him though.
I feel ya. 
So am I the only one who thinks that it's ironic that the mark is actually created by a "divine" being (whether Fen'harel is actually a god is a matter of debate).
So the inquisitor is instead the herald of Fen'harel! xD
Got Fen'Harel's power in your hand, and if you drank from the well, you're bound to Mythal. And now Solas also has Mythal's power/soul or whatever. It's all very tangled.
BPD? Bipolar disorder? So, now we're assuming that Solas has a mental illness? As someone who has a family history of BPD, I can very confidently say that I don't think Solas has BPD. Just from experience with my mom, aunt, grandmother, et cetera.
And even though I have a complete and utter hatred of lies, I do believe that there is a time and place for talking about more complex issues. Sure, he knew about Coryfish and the orb, but he couldn't be sure what exactly had happened with either one of them until much later into the game. Furthermore, he couldn't do anything about it except help the Inquisition to the best of his ability..
I dunno, we may have to agree to disagree. Even though I absolutely loathe lying, I don't think his omissions were malicious, they just weren't useful at the time. They would gain him distrust, ire, maybe even more. The Inquisition absolutely needed his help more than they needed all of his secrets, in my opinion. /:
I think so, but I don't believe you admit that you were spying specifically.
No no, I don't believe he has BPD, and I'm very sorry if I've offended you. My mother is BPD/NPD and I certainly didn't mean to infer such a thing.
I simply thought that one paragraph was relevant in the way he is both simultaneously terrified of abandonment, yet that is the thing he causes.
This a person hiding he is a demonized god. And yes I lie all the time, I lied half an hour ago, I said I'm not sure santa is real. I'm sure he isn't, but I preferred to let my kid live in magical world a little longer.
To be fair, that's different. Lying about Santa and lying (by omission) about your very identity to someone you love aren't really the same.
And in that comparison, it's as though Solas views Lavellan as a child who can't handle the truth/needs to believe a lie in order to be happy.
By the time you get to the Temple of Mythal, Solas got caught in his own game. He knew what the damn Well was about and said nothing.
Solas had enough time during the course of the game to explain he is 'an ancient elf' or 'something something spirit' to the Inquisitor so he could use his knowledge to help out without having to go 'hey, im a god and thats my orb'.
Maybe if Inquisitor is on good terms with him, he wanted to keep the experiment going, if on bad terms then he is afraid for his own safety, and if romanced then he didnt want to mess things up (until he has to).
But still, he got caught up in it and fell short.
And the only way you get the notion he feels bad about the way things have been going is if romanced.
I dont think he breaks up because he wants to protect Lavellan from following on his big mission (usually LIs that have that in mind just leave without breaking up, with a letter saying 'Dont follow me' to make sure you'll follow).
I think he breaks up because its hurting him to keep lying (by omission) to Lavellan, even if the romance its not hurting her (because Lavellan keeps wanting more until the breakup). He could have kept playing the part to make Quizzy happy and pretend 'big mission, have to go' at the end.
He had her in his hands, to a point she would let him take the Vallaslin away (symbol of her identity).But he actually made a conscious choice to stop fooling Lavellan, and lose his precious 'sidebenefit', because it was wrong. So maybe he is capable of changing his ways ?
Is it great for our Lavellan? Not really. But it is a damn good story 
No no, I don't believe he has BPD, and I'm very sorry if I've offended you. My mother is BPD/NPD and I certainly didn't mean to infer such a thing.
I simply thought that one paragraph was relevant in the way he is both simultaneously terrified of abandonment, yet that is the thing he causes.
None taken.
To be fair, that's different. Lying about Santa and lying (by omission) about your very identity to someone you love aren't really the same.
And in that comparison, it's as though Solas views Lavellan as a child who can't handle the truth/needs to believe a lie in order to be happy.
To be fair, I feel like he doesn't want to unduly distract her from leading the Inquisition as well. Yes, it's very wrong of him to not allow her any leeway in this matter, but at that moment, stopping Coryphespit is the top priority. He does say he'll talk with your more AFTER that is taken care of.
Edit: You can't tell me that revealing all he is and all he has been would NOT have been a major distractor, unless she has a heart of steel.
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I feel ya.
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ROFLMAO! I'm dying... 
To be fair, that's different. Lying about Santa and lying (by omission) about your very identity to someone you love aren't really the same.
And in that comparison, it's as though Solas views Lavellan as a child who can't handle the truth/needs to believe a lie in order to be happy.
I agree with Kalalala that Solas is doing the latter. He tries to maintain an honest relationship with Lavellan (refuses to not lie to her about how he feels) which I think is him assuaging his own guilt as much as he can, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a very serious breach in trust and relates back to the idea he always intended for their relationship to be short term. Which is fine in theory, if he'd been honest about it. I think he was always intending to just disappear at the end and if he hadn't realized just how much he cared about Lavellan, he might have just left her with no explanation. (Instead of a breakup with no explanation and vague promises about how "it will all become clear" i.e. I'm going to leave and end the world you just tried so hard to save, then you'll know why we can't be together.)
Lets be honest here. The Dread Wolf is depicted as the boogie man in the stories told by the Dalish. He's the devil, evil and corrupt. Lavellan Mage is the Keeper's First so she would know all those stories and the history. Warrior and Rogue might know a little less stories and lore, but around the campfire and the story teller she would have been told.
Realistically only a few things would have happened. Especially depending on when Solas told her, before the romance, after, or were they friends.
Lavellan is scared and hates Solas
Lavellan is scared but thinks having a god as a lover will bring her power.
Lavellan is accepting of Solas.
Most situations would end up badly for either Solas or Lavellan.
We accept Solas because he's a video game character, you can't think of Lavellan with the same attitude.
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