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[caridounette]

If you don't remove it, she worries that Solas left her because she kept them.  I really like that banter because it was accurate to what I thought she would be thinking.  She already knows Solas doesn't care for the Dalish, so that's a little bit of insecurity she has when it comes to their relationship.  Despite what he said, she wondered if he reached a point where he just couldn't accept her anymore.  If he couldn't stand to be with someone with "slave markings".  Whatever they meant in the past, the vallaslin mean another thing in her culture, and are a connection to her family, who are still out there. She told Cole to stop, because if Solas couldn't tell her the truth himself, she didn't want it any other way.

 

Felt bad for Cole.  Mom and Dad are unhappy, and he can't help them.  Must be even worse when Solas disappears.  He knows she's hurting even when she smiles.

 

This! Cole is so much part of the family.

 

And the game is totally written for Lavellan to feel guilty of the breakup either way. Both banters shows it well. She somehow feels like she's not enough: too Dalish... too influencable... thats your choice.

 

But she doesnt get to be 'Its all right im not taking it personally'. Which is such a rare occurence in games where you save the world and eat your cake too. 

[Aetheria]

Felt bad for Cole.  Mom and Dad are unhappy, and he can't help them.  Must be even worse when Solas disappears.  He knows she's hurting even when she smiles.

I was half-expecting there to be a line or two of dialogue with Cole post-epilogue about how things turned out. Based on other things he says, you'd kind of expect him to notice that the Inquisitor was concerned/sad about something and maybe offer to "help" with it.

 

THEREFORE, that must mean having such an option would mess up future plot! Meaning there is more plot! It's not over!

 

Also, Half-Life 3 confirmed...

[Cheerios789]

I've seen people say this over and over again, but... am I missing where it was clearly spelled out that Solas intends to release the elf gods or anything like that? I suppose it looks to be the obvious course of action, but it really does seem a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. "Oh, things were bad after I shut people away, I'll let them out so it can go back to whatever it was! Sound plan. Should work." Nah...? It seems to be slamming clues and random ideas into a neat little box, and I'd be a bit disappointed if that's all it was.

 

I think the reason people are thinking that Solas wants to release the gods is based off a conversation you can have with Dagna.  She says that the mark feels like a key.  So if Fen'harel did lock up the Gods, then it follows that he must have had a device or means to do so.  We know that Fen'harel possessed the orb and we know the mark is a key.  Thus we are assuming that the orb power/mark can open the lock to the gods. 

 

Solas spends the entirety of the game desperately trying to obtain the orb and the whole reason Corypheus was given the orb was because Solas needed it powered.  So it's logical to assume that Solas not only wants to free the gods, but he has wanted to do this since he woke up. 

 

Of course this is all based off of the assumption the orb is the key.

[Ajna]

I was half-expecting there to be a line or two of dialogue with Cole post-epilogue about how things turned out. Based on other things he says, you'd kind of expect him to notice that the Inquisitor was concerned/sad about something and maybe offer to "help" with it.

 

THEREFORE, that must mean having such an option would mess up future plot! Meaning there is more plot! It's not over!

 

 

I like the way you think! *hands Team Optimistic shirt*

[Hedinve]

Yeah and it's just us that has the cake stolen from us. Unfair!

 

I've decided to hang out in the optimist camp for a while. That said, I fault Solas for a lot of things, he genuinly is a flawed character. I wouldn't care that much if he wasn't.

[Ajna]

Yeah and it's just us that has the cake stolen from us. Unfair!

 

I've decided to hang out in the optimist camp for a while. That said, I fault Solas for a lot of things, he genuinly is a flawed character. I wouldn't care that much if he wasn't.

All the best people ARE flawed, what are people without flaws? I'm going to stop now...

[Brass_Buckles]

Has anyone else considered the possibility that maybe the other elven gods are the source of the Blight, or were somehow afflicted by it?  It might be that they became corrupted, and that's why they all started doing their mass murdering thing.  Andruil was drawn by the Abyss, for instance, and its horrible monsters.  Were those demons?  Some kind of proto-darkspawn?

 

We don't know.  And with the Forbidden Ones representing things like pestilence and disease... well what if they made the Blight, and it did spread to the other elven gods?

 

I won't say "OMG the elven gods were really gods for sure," but I do think they were something more than mages--Solas mentions they could be spirits etc.  I think there was definitely a time when he did believe himself to be a god.  It's entirely possible that they were something more than just spirits or mages, but not quite gods.  In any case, they were something that, if they were corrupted, would be terrible.

 

I doubt if Solas plans to drop the Veil; he wanted to ensure that it became stronger.  We would have surely noticed if those elven artifacts dropped the Veil, and I'm pretty sure that Solas acknowledged the harm the Rifts were doing.  So why would he then drop the Veil entirely?

 

No, I think he wants to free the elven gods, but if my theory about their corruption is right...

 

Bear in mind that the Blight is not only horribly infections, but it's also basically hatred and rage and greed and envy and all that horrible stuff in disease form.  So, corrupt such powerful entities and make them filled with hate etc... And yet, there might be a cure for it.  It might be that's why Solas is not too keen on the Wardens' solution to the Blight--and it might be that he knows enough about it that his comment that killing the archdemons might make things worse, is true.  I suspect it is, in fact, true.

 

And as for whether or not Solas is lying... well to me, he's lying, but up until he breaks it off with Lavellan "for her own good," I can't blame him.  My Lavellan is Keeper's First.  I can't imagine her reaction to her boyfriend being Fen'harel would be a good one.  Could she move on in time?  Sure, she'd probably eventually become okay with it, once she realized that he'd hidden WHAT he was, but not WHO.  But, it would take time.  Despite all she's learned about Fen'harel's original identity (rebellion), it would take time to get used to the idea that he's not quite what she thought he was her entire life.

 

I do believe my Lavellan already suspected Solas was an ancient elf.  She had no proof, though, and he didn't willingly tell her, so she didn't press.  I also like to think she'd understand he had some good reasons for leaving, that she comes to realize he wasn't lying about how he cared for her--he was so sad to leave, after all.  But that doesn't mean she'll ever be pleased that he left without any real explanation.  She deserved to know so she could decide for herself what to do, not be kept in the dark like a child.  Even if he'd never told her until post-Corypheus, he still should have told her.

[jellobell]

 

Yeah and it's just us that has the cake stolen from us. Unfair!

 

I've decided to hang out in the optimist camp for a while. That said, I fault Solas for a lot of things, he genuinly is a flawed character. I wouldn't care that much if he wasn't.

Solas is a big, dumb woobie and all I want is for him to be alright. I couldn't stay mad after that epilogue. I was so worried about him that I teared up a bit.

[Hedinve]

They are boring and cannot be!

[dragondreamer]

I thought the assumptions about Solas wanting to release the other elven gods, is because of that Cole dialogue about those sleeping trapped behind mirrors...  I forget if that's post-epilogue or during the post-breakup banter.

[Uirebhiril]

 

Blackwall is the same.  His personality, morals, ethics are all the same as he presents himself, but he's still pretending to be something else.  He outright lies about his identity, while Solas just makes half-truths to create a new identity.

 

I was surprised at my reaction about Blackwall, because at face value he is not so different from Solas. Neither are being entirely honest, even if one is by outright lying and the other by omission. I really liked Blackwall, but when the reveal came I was surprised. When I found out that his leaving happens after the sex scene with a romanced inquisitor, I felt literally ill. I still can't quite articulate why. It just felt so wrong and selfish and sleazy when I watched the romance as it happened. 

 

I guessed stuff about Solas part way through the game. I saw that I was right after the credits rolled. I did not feel ill and have no problem with the idea he and my inquisitor had any sort of relations. This isn't bias just because I liked and romanced Solas, it just felt different somehow, and I really wish I can understand why. Maybe it is because from what we know, Solas never pretended to be anyone but himself. He just didn't admit to all that he was.

 

Dammit. I still need to give this some thought.

[BubbleDncr]

Does this mean you're on Team Optimistic Jello?

 

It took me a second to realize you were talking to Jello. I thought we has just made a team called "Team Optimistic Jello"

 

It's a good name. Gonna write that one down in case I ever start a band. 

[Brass_Buckles]

If you want some optimistic thoughts, here are mine:

 

There's probably going to be some more of Solas in either the next Dragon Age or a DLC because the Inquisitor now has all of his power from the orb.  I am pretty sure that no matter how much he wants to "walk his path in solitude," the fact that the Inquisitor has his shiny green power means that he's going to have to come back and ask for help.  Even if he ends up hauling the Inquisitor off villain-style, he's going to need that power for whatever it is he's doing.  And then Lavellan will (since WE already know) learn he's Fen'harel, and we'll know for sure what precisely it is he's up to--whether he's dropping the Veil, freeing the gods, or... whatever.

 

Just my two cents.

[BubbleDncr]

 

 

 

Solas is a big, dumb woobie and all I want is for him to be alright. I couldn't stay mad after that epilogue. I was so worried about him that I teared up a bit.

 

I told my husband last night that I kept bouncing back and forth between being really angry and thinking Solas is an *******, to being really sad and thinking Solas is the most tragic figure ever and hoping he comes back to my Lavellan.

 

He laughed. Didn't see how it was possible to bounce back and forth between such extremes...

[scintilla]

If you don't remove it, she worries that Solas left her because she kept them.  I really like that banter because it was accurate to what I thought she would be thinking.  She already knows Solas doesn't care for the Dalish, so that's a little bit of insecurity she has when it comes to their relationship.  Despite what he said, she wondered if he reached a point where he just couldn't accept her anymore.  If he couldn't stand to be with someone with "slave markings".  Whatever they meant in the past, the vallaslin mean another thing in her culture, and are a connection to her family, who are still out there. She told Cole to stop, because if Solas couldn't tell her the truth himself, she didn't want it any other way.

 

Felt bad for Cole.  Mom and Dad are unhappy, and he can't help them.  Must be even worse when Solas disappears.  He knows she's hurting even when she smiles.

 

My Lavellan told Cole to stop too. I was a little disappointed at the actual dialogue. It's not that she didn't want to hear it, it's that if Solas felt he couldn't tell her she didn't want to take it from him via Cole. Cole's "I'm sorry" broke my heart.

 

Well. Maybe mom and dad can work out their issues still.

 

Awww stahp!  I have no likes left!

 

 

He sure does.

 

This has come up before, but one of the key moments that makes me think a Solavellan background will have a significant effect in the upcoming DLC are hints that his connection with her ties him to the here and now of modern Thedas.  The hope she represents- that some Dalish may be willing to open their minds and embrace their true heritage- offers him a path toward an actual future for his People, not just a return to the past.  

 

"In all Thedas, I did not expect to find someone who could draw my attention from the Fade."

 

Consider the meaning this line has in context of what Solas actually means when he refers to the fade.  When he talks about his experiences there, it's never really "just" that- it's his actual past, a connection to the time before he made that one critical choice that snowballed into unfathomable misery for his People and personal sorrow.   She gives him a tiny flicker of hope that this world can be fixed.  He can find redemption moving forward, not back.   

 

Now, whether this has a key effect on the nature of The Big Thing he's planning is a matter of debate.  But I'd be utterly shocked if it had none at all.

 

That's a really good point about how the Fade basically means "the past" to Solas sometimes. It ties in well with Cole's banter about Lavellan being real and the potential for everyone else to be real too.

[Ajna]

 

 

 

Solas is a big, dumb woobie and all I want is for him to be alright. I couldn't stay mad after that epilogue. I was so worried about him that I teared up a bit.

 

Me too hun, me too..

 

[Ajna]

It took me a second to realize you were talking to Jello. I thought we has just made a team called "Team Optimistic Jello"

 

It's a good name. Gonna write that one down in case I ever start a band. 

Bahaha!  If that ever happens don't forget me!

[Eivuwan]

Has anyone else considered the possibility that maybe the other elven gods are the source of the Blight, or were somehow afflicted by it?  It might be that they became corrupted, and that's why they all started doing their mass murdering thing.  Andruil was drawn by the Abyss, for instance, and its horrible monsters.  Were those demons?  Some kind of proto-darkspawn?

 

We don't know.  And with the Forbidden Ones representing things like pestilence and disease... well what if they made the Blight, and it did spread to the other elven gods?

 

I won't say "OMG the elven gods were really gods for sure," but I do think they were something more than mages--Solas mentions they could be spirits etc.  I think there was definitely a time when he did believe himself to be a god.  It's entirely possible that they were something more than just spirits or mages, but not quite gods.  In any case, they were something that, if they were corrupted, would be terrible.

 

I doubt if Solas plans to drop the Veil; he wanted to ensure that it became stronger.  We would have surely noticed if those elven artifacts dropped the Veil, and I'm pretty sure that Solas acknowledged the harm the Rifts were doing.  So why would he then drop the Veil entirely?

 

No, I think he wants to free the elven gods, but if my theory about their corruption is right...

 

Bear in mind that the Blight is not only horribly infections, but it's also basically hatred and rage and greed and envy and all that horrible stuff in disease form.  So, corrupt such powerful entities and make them filled with hate etc... And yet, there might be a cure for it.  It might be that's why Solas is not too keen on the Wardens' solution to the Blight--and it might be that he knows enough about it that his comment that killing the archdemons might make things worse, is true.  I suspect it is, in fact, true.

 

And as for whether or not Solas is lying... well to me, he's lying, but up until he breaks it off with Lavellan "for her own good," I can't blame him.  My Lavellan is Keeper's First.  I can't imagine her reaction to her boyfriend being Fen'harel would be a good one.  Could she move on in time?  Sure, she'd probably eventually become okay with it, once she realized that he'd hidden WHAT he was, but not WHO.  But, it would take time.  Despite all she's learned about Fen'harel's original identity (rebellion), it would take time to get used to the idea that he's not quite what she thought he was her entire life.

 

I do believe my Lavellan already suspected Solas was an ancient elf.  She had no proof, though, and he didn't willingly tell her, so she didn't press.  I also like to think she'd understand he had some good reasons for leaving, that she comes to realize he wasn't lying about how he cared for her--he was so sad to leave, after all.  But that doesn't mean she'll ever be pleased that he left without any real explanation.  She deserved to know so she could decide for herself what to do, not be kept in the dark like a child.  Even if he'd never told her until post-Corypheus, he still should have told her.

 

Interesting idea. I wonder if when the creators were fighting against the forbidden ones, one or both sides became desperate or frustrated at the stalemate and went to look for other sources of power. Then they found the blight, thought they could control it and end up harming all the people who lived on Thedas. Perhaps, they used blight magic and controlled the elves through song. Fen'Harel became pissed off and sealed them away. I wonder if the forbidden ones are really the old gods.

 

Edit: Oops, I meant forgotten ones, not forbidden.

[Cheerios789]

I was surprised at my reaction about Blackwall, because at face value he is not so different from Solas. Neither are being entirely honest, even if one is by outright lying and the other by omission. I really liked Blackwall, but when the reveal came I was surprised. When I found out that his leaving happens after the sex scene with a romanced inquisitor, I felt literally ill. I still can't quite articulate why. It just felt so wrong and selfish and sleazy when I watched the romance as it happened. 

 

I guessed stuff about Solas part way through the game. I saw that I was right after the credits rolled. I did not feel ill and have no problem with the idea he and my inquisitor had any sort of relations. This isn't bias just because I liked and romanced Solas, it just felt different somehow, and I really wish I can understand why. Maybe it is because from what we know, Solas never pretended to be anyone but himself. He just didn't admit to all that he was.

 

Dammit. I still need to give this some thought.

 

It's the respect.  Solas seems to respect you and your feelings.  Blackwall is shady as ****.  I mean I like him, as a friend and sitting away from me.  Blackwall murdered children.  He didn't do it for the 'greater good'.  He didn't do it because he thought it was the right thing to do.  He did it, because ... his boss told him to.  Also it kinda feels like he is stringing you along for one last 'hoorah' before the nasty finish.

 

Solas, tries to push you away and seems genuinely surprised and almost confused by his complete head-over-heels attachment to you.  I know he lied and that's ... awkward, but I really don't think he wants to keep up the lie.  I feel like he genuinely wants to tell you the truth.

 

Blackwall readily admits that he wants to actually be Blackwall.  It's delusional and dangerous.  He is one step away from an insane asylum.  Though it is sad, he did it to himself. 

 

He murdered babies! 

 

It was so hard not to sentence him to death.

[Eivuwan]

I thought the assumptions about Solas wanting to release the other elven gods, is because of that Cole dialogue about those sleeping trapped behind mirrors...  I forget if that's post-epilogue or during the post-breakup banter.

 

Hehe, what if Solas ended up trapping loads of ancient elves who were the servants of these gods? Like, he only wanted to trap the gods by themselves, but their servants interfered and he had to trap them too. Now he feels terrible about all the innocents who got trapped in the crossfire.

[MadameQuizzy]

Has anyone else considered the possibility that maybe the other elven gods are the source of the Blight, or were somehow afflicted by it?  It might be that they became corrupted, and that's why they all started doing their mass murdering thing.  Andruil was drawn by the Abyss, for instance, and its horrible monsters.  Were those demons?  Some kind of proto-darkspawn?

Spoiler

We don't know.  And with the Forbidden Ones representing things like pestilence and disease... well what if they made the Blight, and it did spread to the other elven gods?

 

I won't say "OMG the elven gods were really gods for sure," but I do think they were something more than mages--Solas mentions they could be spirits etc.  I think there was definitely a time when he did believe himself to be a god.  It's entirely possible that they were something more than just spirits or mages, but not quite gods.  In any case, they were something that, if they were corrupted, would be terrible.

 

I doubt if Solas plans to drop the Veil; he wanted to ensure that it became stronger.  We would have surely noticed if those elven artifacts dropped the Veil, and I'm pretty sure that Solas acknowledged the harm the Rifts were doing.  So why would he then drop the Veil entirely?

 

No, I think he wants to free the elven gods, but if my theory about their corruption is right...

 

Bear in mind that the Blight is not only horribly infections, but it's also basically hatred and rage and greed and envy and all that horrible stuff in disease form.  So, corrupt such powerful entities and make them filled with hate etc... And yet, there might be a cure for it.  It might be that's why Solas is not too keen on the Wardens' solution to the Blight--and it might be that he knows enough about it that his comment that killing the archdemons might make things worse, is true.  I suspect it is, in fact, true.

 

And as for whether or not Solas is lying... well to me, he's lying, but up until he breaks it off with Lavellan "for her own good," I can't blame him.  My Lavellan is Keeper's First.  I can't imagine her reaction to her boyfriend being Fen'harel would be a good one.  Could she move on in time?  Sure, she'd probably eventually become okay with it, once she realized that he'd hidden WHAT he was, but not WHO.  But, it would take time.  Despite all she's learned about Fen'harel's original identity (rebellion), it would take time to get used to the idea that he's not quite what she thought he was her entire life.

 

I do believe my Lavellan already suspected Solas was an ancient elf.  She had no proof, though, and he didn't willingly tell her, so she didn't press.  I also like to think she'd understand he had some good reasons for leaving, that she comes to realize he wasn't lying about how he cared for her--he was so sad to leave, after all.  But that doesn't mean she'll ever be pleased that he left without any real explanation.  She deserved to know so she could decide for herself what to do, not be kept in the dark like a child.  Even if he'd never told her until post-Corypheus, he still should have told her.

 

Actually, I had some similar ideas - I think the Calling is somehow tied to the whole mess: 

 

 

Okay, so this might have already been said and in this case I hope you can forgive me, I just have all this stuff in my head after finishing the game and a lot of thoughts and one thing especially that I noticed after seeing this clip about 

 

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 Warden!Alistair talking about the Hero of Ferelden . In which he mentions that the Hero went "far into the West" to investigate the Calling and possible ways to cure it. Far into the west, huh? Sound familiar? Somebody else being last seen going far west?

 

But there's more: Solas has a specific conversation in party banter with Blackwall where they talk about Blights. Solas asks what happens if they have slain all the archdemons if that will end all the Blights (against 2:30ish) and Blackwall gets annoyed and all what do you want from me and Solas is basically "ahh I hope they are correct [that slaying all archdemons ends the Blights]". That sounds to me like Solas knows more about Blights than he gave away, especially considering his tone of voice. 

 

So, what started the Blights was according to legends that the magisters entered the Golden City in the Fade (through blood magic), turned it Black, were cast out and brought the Blight upon the world. The now Black City sits in the Fade, unreachable, no matter where you are in the Fade. 

 

What if - please stay with me - the Golden/Black City was not created as a place for afterlife of the Maker's believers, but as a resting place for the Creators? I was searching through the DA wiki to find something along those lines and yep: "However, elven belief holds that the Fade, or Beyond as it is known to the elves, is considered a holy place and the gods are trapped there in the "Eternal City." So the Creators resided in the Golden City is basically the conclusion?

 

So.. the ancient magisters that entered the Golden City and turned it black were worshippers of the Old Gods. Given the hints at ancient wars and the duality of the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, maybe the Forgotten Ones are the equivalent to the Old Gods? Which were of course imprisoned underground. 

 

According to Chantry teachings the Tevinter mages were lured into the Fade by an Old God, Dumat. After the assault on the Golden City the Blight was created and the Old Gods remained in underground prisons, where then occasionally Darkspawn find them and awaken them.

 

Which brings me to the question of who sealed them away - the Maker, or, maybe Solas? (YEAH I KNOW this is getting as blasphemic as it gets, sorry Andrastians) - might Solas have sealed away both Creators and Forgotten Ones!Old Gods to prevent further war and slavery after the assault on the Golden City? Or might he have banned the Creators from the Eternal/Golden City and the Forgotten Ones/Old Gods to their prisons underground in the first place? I personally think the latter is more likely/plausible. Corypheus says the Black City was empty when they entered, maybe that was because the Creators had already been sealed away by Solas? 

 

Considering that the Old Gods cause a Calling by "singing" (Keiran says the song stops after Flemythal takes his Old God soul) and one of the ancient Tevinter magisters was able to recreate a kind of Calling himself (ohai Coryphebutt), is the Blight the effect of the assault on the Golden City or was it maybe even the cause (meaning that the magisters were the first ones to ever hear the Calling)? Would it really mean that the Calling stops when all archdemons are defeated or might the Calling have a different origin? Will we see more of the Calling in the future?

 

 

 

About the elven gods: the foci might be a key as previously said before, but what if it's a key to the whole Eluvian system which might lead to the "prison" (or whatever it is) where the other gods are locked up in? This might explain Mythal's interest (and to a degree: Morrigan's fascination) in Eluvians and that they actually meet each other in that last scene (I wonder: which Eluvian was Mythal about to open? How did Solas get there? where do all other mirrors lead? etc) 

 

Imagine if Solas re-opened that whole system, he might unlock (literally) areas no one ever entered since the old days... maybe it's not about the Fade after all? 

[Amriah]

If you don't remove it, she worries that Solas left her because she kept them.  I really like that banter because it was accurate to what I thought she would be thinking.  She already knows Solas doesn't care for the Dalish, so that's a little bit of insecurity she has when it comes to their relationship.  Despite what he said, she wondered if he reached a point where he just couldn't accept her anymore.  If he couldn't stand to be with someone with "slave markings".  Whatever they meant in the past, the vallaslin mean another thing in her culture, and are a connection to her family, who are still out there. She told Cole to stop, because if Solas couldn't tell her the truth himself, she didn't want it any other way.

 

Felt bad for Cole.  Mom and Dad are unhappy, and he can't help them.  Must be even worse when Solas disappears.  He knows she's hurting even when she smiles.

 

I've never gotten the banter with Cole (I had the lovely party banter glitch) either way, and I'm STILL not sure what I want my Lavellan to do. Either way, the reactions are well thought out. And I adore Cole and his attempts at helping and yeah.

[Eivuwan]

Actually, I had some similar ideas - I think the Calling is somehow tied to the whole mess: 

 

 

 

 

About the elven gods: the foci might be a key as previously said before, but what if it's a key to the whole Eluvian system which might lead to the "prison" (or whatever it is) where the other gods are locked up in? This might explain Mythal's interest (and to a degree: Morrigan's fascination) in Eluvians and that they actually meet each other in that last scene (I wonder: which Eluvian was Mythal about to open? How did Solas get there? where do all other mirrors lead? etc) 

 

Imagine if Solas re-opened that whole system, he might unlock (literally) areas no one ever entered since the old days... maybe it's not about the Fade after all? 

 

Crackpot theory time. What if the eluvians lead to a continent that is separated from Thedas by an extremely wide ocean? Solas broke some of the eluvians so that the elven gods are trapped across the ocean and can't come to Thedas whenever they want.

[kalasaurus]

I was surprised at my reaction about Blackwall, because at face value he is not so different from Solas. Neither are being entirely honest, even if one is by outright lying and the other by omission. I really liked Blackwall, but when the reveal came I was surprised. When I found out that his leaving happens after the sex scene with a romanced inquisitor, I felt literally ill. I still can't quite articulate why. It just felt so wrong and selfish and sleazy when I watched the romance as it happened. 

 

I guessed stuff about Solas part way through the game. I saw that I was right after the credits rolled. I did not feel ill and have no problem with the idea he and my inquisitor had any sort of relations. This isn't bias just because I liked and romanced Solas, it just felt different somehow, and I really wish I can understand why. Maybe it is because from what we know, Solas never pretended to be anyone but himself. He just didn't admit to all that he was.

 

Dammit. I still need to give this some thought.

 

The way I see it, they're different circumstances (the fake personas) but still the same in the end.  I view lies and lies by omission as the same thing.  Solas creates a new persona based on half-truths, not actually lying, but not actually being clear.  Because, who would assume the truth?  It's funny, because I look up "lie by omission" on Wikipedia and some of its subcategories fit Solas to a T:

 

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Lying by omission

Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. When the seller of a car declares it has been serviced regularly but does not tell that a fault was reported at the last service, the seller lies by omission. It can be compared to dissimulation.

 

Bluffing

To bluff is to pretend to have a capability or intention one does not actually possess. Bluffing is an act of deception that is rarely seen as immoral when it takes place in the context of a game, such as poker, where this kind of deception is consented to in advance by the players. For instance, a gambler who deceives other players into thinking he has different cards to those he really holds, or an athlete who hints he will move left and then dodges right is not considered to be lying (also known as a feint or juke). In these situations, deception is acceptable and is commonly expected as a tactic.

 

Half-truth

A half-truth is a deceptive statement that includes some element of truth. The statement might be partly true, the statement may be totally true but only part of the whole truth, or it may employ some deceptive element, such as improper punctuation, or double meaning, especially if the intent is to deceive, evade, blame or misrepresent the truth.[5]

 

Fib

A fib is a lie told with no malicious intent and little consequence. Unlike a white lie, fibs rarely include those lies or omissions that are meant to do good.

 

Misleading and dissembling

A misleading statement is one where there is no outright lie, but still retains the purpose of getting someone to believe in an untruth. "Dissembling" likewise describes the presentation of facts in a way that is literally true, but intentionally misleading.

 

Noble lie

A noble lie is one that would normally cause discord if uncovered, but offers some benefit to the liar and assists in an orderly society, therefore, potentially beneficial to others. It is often told to maintain law, order and safety.

 

That's not to say he faked his personality, morals, ethics, etc.  I very much would like to believe that the Solas we see now is the same as the real Solas.  It's just that Lavellan doesn't know the whole truth- which is still a lie to me.  And a big one too.

 

Edit: And I said I'd drop this topic earlier.  My bad XD

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We really don't know how many babies suffered for Solas actions, do we? That means we are back to justifying actions based on intentions and that's not good. Need more information! We need a DLC and a book.

 

He did lie? A lot. My problem is that I don't really care if he did in said circumstances. I hope there's a complete Blackwall romance on youtube, I struggle enough with Cullen.