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[madrar]

Has anyone else considered the possibility that maybe the other elven gods are the source of the Blight, or were somehow afflicted by it?  It might be that they became corrupted, and that's why they all started doing their mass murdering thing.  Andruil was drawn by the Abyss, for instance, and its horrible monsters.  Were those demons?  Some kind of proto-darkspawn?

 

We don't know.  And with the Forbidden Ones representing things like pestilence and disease... well what if they made the Blight, and it did spread to the other elven gods?

 

I won't say "OMG the elven gods were really gods for sure," but I do think they were something more than mages--Solas mentions they could be spirits etc.  I think there was definitely a time when he did believe himself to be a god.  It's entirely possible that they were something more than just spirits or mages, but not quite gods.  In any case, they were something that, if they were corrupted, would be terrible.

 

I doubt if Solas plans to drop the Veil; he wanted to ensure that it became stronger.  We would have surely noticed if those elven artifacts dropped the Veil, and I'm pretty sure that Solas acknowledged the harm the Rifts were doing.  So why would he then drop the Veil entirely?

 

No, I think he wants to free the elven gods, but if my theory about their corruption is right...

 

Bear in mind that the Blight is not only horribly infections, but it's also basically hatred and rage and greed and envy and all that horrible stuff in disease form.  So, corrupt such powerful entities and make them filled with hate etc... And yet, there might be a cure for it.  It might be that's why Solas is not too keen on the Wardens' solution to the Blight--and it might be that he knows enough about it that his comment that killing the archdemons might make things worse, is true.  I suspect it is, in fact, true.

 

I'm on board!  Still uncertain whether the original blight was a very, very early titan-era thing where one of the first elfy-spirity creations of the Maker started a counter-song to the original Song Lucifer-style, whether was some later attempt to use the blood of the Earth to do something that twisted and went horribly awry, or both, metaphorically.  And possibly none of the above.  We don't have nearly enough scraps from that period to get at the meat of it, which drives me crazy.

 

There's definitely something to it, though   The abyss as a source of communicable corruption, the fact that Andruil "crafted armor from it" and it drove her mad, etc.  It just fits too nicely with the blight / red lyrium to be coincidence, right?

[Eivuwan]

Am I the only one that wants a "Happy ending" between my Lavellan and Solas?

 

It seems every time I come in here several people are wanting or are expecting a tragic ending nothing more...this is DA guys and gals I think there will be options to be with Solas or not in a near future DLC. Of course I'm a optimistic person soooo....yeah. 

 

what happened to the disney and unicorns???? So pessimistic in here sometimes.....

 

I think with Bioware's recent history of the ending of ME3 and the ending of DA2, we just come to expect tragedy.

[Tielis]

what happened to the disney and unicorns????

 

Mr. Weekes ate them and burped.

 

(Apologies to Mr. Weekes.    )

[dragondreamer]

When you said "red lyrium" I remembered that part where Dagna explains that Lyrium is alive. Is Lyrium even something that the ancient elves took? I remember Solas saying that some spells took years to cast when asked about magic and the ancient elves' immortality, I wonder, how did they go about it? With help of lyrium? Probably not, or what kind of relations did the ancient elves have to dwarves (if any at all)?

 

Ugh so many questions. I WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING DAMNIT BIOWARE WHY DO YOU MAKE SO INTERESTING GAMES

 

The ancient elves used lyrium, the Tevinter's learned how to use it from slaves they captured from Arlathan.  There's a memorial you can find in the Dalish origin in DA:O that represents a trading post between the ancient elves and dwarves.  So they had contact.

[kalasaurus]

Blackwall killed children, so yes, it was related to the comparison. I'm on a phone atm so keeping it short. And even more unclear and inarticulate than normal

 

Ah, well we don't know the whole truths to the Dalish stories of Fen'Harel's past, in addition to the ramifications of his actions.  The Solas we know now could very well be different than the one 1000 years ago.  Same goes for Blackwall (in a smaller time frame, of course).

[Tielis]

Lyrium is people.

[Aetheria]

Am I the only one that wants a "Happy ending" between my Lavellan and Solas?

 

It seems every time I come in here several people are wanting or are expecting a tragic ending nothing more...this is DA guys and gals I think there will be options to be with Solas or not in a near future DLC. Of course I'm a optimistic person soooo....yeah. 

 

what happened to the disney and unicorns???? So pessimistic in here sometimes.....

A happy ending would be, well, happy, and it would probably make us happy too. However, DA historically hasn't been all about the happy endings. Even the most cheerful sweet romances in the series don't really have "happily ever afters" in the end. I mean, look at Alistair/Cousland - they can beat the Blight, get married, and rule Ferelden together, but even then she ends up mysteriously disappearing by the time of DAI

[Eivuwan]

Lyrium is people.

 

That's creepy. lol

[MadameQuizzy]

The ancient elves used lyrium, the Tevinter's learned how to use it from slaves they captured from Arlathan.  There's a memorial you can find in the Dalish origin in DA:O that represents a trading post between the ancient elves and dwarves.  So they had contact.

 

Thank you! The Dalish origin is one I haven't played yet. I think I'll give it another go next time I'll get back to DA:O.

[Addai]

Re: Blackwall.
 
According to Blackwall if you talk to him later, he didn't know until after the fact that there were children.  His problem was that he could have called a stop to the attack and he didn't.  It's not that he was following orders; BLACKWALL was the one in charge there.  He was trying to prop up that warmonger Gaspard.  I wonder if you take him with you to the ball if Gaspard has anything to say to him?

Not that I saw, but Blackwall definitely supports Celene, and there's scene with a drunken noble who insists he recognizes him.
 
Having just played out the Blackwall romance stuff so that it's painfully fresh... There are similarities in that both he and Solas are carrying a burden that is crushing, and they're unwilling to put it on anyone but themselves, but that very loneliness causes them to let one person in. It's a potent setup for a romantic story line.

As Blackwall points out, what he did happens in the course of war, and is really not that unusual. It's the fact that he's a moral man that makes it an unbearable burden for him. If he weren't a good person, he would try to justify what he did and move on. So I like to think that the Herald sees the true man and the illusions are defenses that they both gradually break down together. For both Solas and Blackwall, the deceptions are selfish, to be sure, but they're also meant to protect someone they care for.

[TheComfyCat]

 

A happy ending would be, well, happy, and it would probably make us happy too. However, DA historically hasn't been all about the happy endings. Even the most cheerful sweet romances in the series don't really have "happily ever afters" in the end. I mean, look at Alistair/Cousland - they can beat the Blight, get married, and rule Ferelden together, but even then she ends up mysteriously disappearing by the time of DAI 

 

But at least now we know the Warden is actually looking for a cure for the calling, to extend their lives. And since I always romance Zev, he and the Warden are looking for a cure together...

[Amriah]

I think what we want and what we expect to get are sometimes very different things.

 

I'd love a happy ending but I have a hard time believing we'll get it.

 

This is basically my logic too. I don't want to expect a happy ending and then be utterly crushed. I do hope for one though. That would make my year if/when future content comes out.

[Uirebhiril]

 

The way I see it, they're different circumstances (the fake personas) but still the same in the end.  I view lies and lies by omission as the same thing.  Solas creates a new persona based on half-truths, not actually lying, but not actually being clear.  Because, who would assume the truth?  It's funny, because I look up "lie by omission" on Wikipedia and some of its subcategories fit Solas to a T:

 

 

Edit: And I said I'd drop this topic earlier.  My bad XD

 

 

My fault really, since I'm just now playing catch-up with the thread and topics that have since passed. Sorry to anyone that's beentheredonethat with this today.

[Shechinah]

Now I'm imagining all kinds of sitcom-esque scenarios with the whole Island-idea; June, the god of craft is the only one building the boat because all the others consider it beneath them but still keep arguing that he's building it wrong with Falon'Din insisting he should make it in his image (because according to Solas, he is apparently very vain). Sylaise is trying to protect the last tree on the island by sitting in it while Elgar'nan demands she stops being silly and come down.

 

Andruil trying to catch the one thing left alive on the entire island; a mouse, which managed to survive her obsessive hunting while Ghilan'nain is desperately trying to keep it safe. Dirthamen decided to go live with the seagulls that sit on the tiny rocks in the ocean just out of Andruil's arrow's range.

 

Everytime June manages to finish the damn boat, one or all of his fellow gods always ends up sinking it in someway especially Elgar'nan with his tantrums.

[jellobell]

Well, I for one want a happy ending.  I don't expect it to be sunshine and rainbows, though.  I'm expecting if there is a happy ending it will come hard-won.

Those are the best kinds of happy ending. It feels too weightless if you get everything you want with no struggle. Solas and Lavellan have already gone through a lot, and probably will have to go through a lot, before they can be together. And that makes for a better story overall.

[Eivuwan]

Now I'm imagining all kinds of sitcom-esque scenarios with the whole Island-idea; June, the goddess of craft is the only one building the boat because all the others consider beneath them but still keep arguing that she's building it wrong with Falon'Din insisting she should make it in his image (because according to Solas, he is apparently very vain).

 

Andruil trying to catch the one thing left alive on the entire island; a mouse, which managed to survive her obsessive hunting while Ghilan'nain is desperately trying to keep it safe.

 

Everytime June manages to finish the damn boat, one or all of her fellow gods always ends up sinking it in someway especially Elgar'nan with his tantrums.

 

WHAT?! I finally ran out of likes. Here take a .

[Roxy]

Well, I for one want a happy ending.  I don't expect it to be sunshine and rainbows, though.  I'm expecting if there is a happy ending it will come hard-won.

I'm not expecting it to be sunshine and rainbows either but when Actually scratch that I want there to be a sunhine and rainbows happy ending but I see posts where people say "Its going to be a tragic ending!" it just torques my mind,I mean DA has given us choices in the past to be with our LI or not although there are some boundaries in like Alistair I guess. But I don't see anything wrong with having a sunshine and rainbows ending though....I mean why not have that option?

 

I think with Bioware's recent history of the ending of ME3 and the ending of DA2, we just come to expect tragedy.

I don't think Bioware is going to repeat what they did in the past plus DA2 didn't end in tragedy unless you didn't get enough approval of a character and had to kill them. I think the dragon age team are a lot more kinder in giving us choices than the ME team.

 

Nope. I am all on board the happy ending train. Real life is tough and if I want I sad story, I'll go read A Song of Ice and Fire.

 

I agree also there are plenty of sad things happening in rl I'd like to have a happy ending in games thank you lol! 

Modifié par Roxy, 14 décembre 2014 - 06:52 .

[TheComfyCat]

 

Am I the only one that wants a "Happy ending" between my Lavellan and Solas?

 

It seems every time I come in here several people are wanting or are expecting a tragic ending nothing more...this is DA guys and gals I think there will be options to be with Solas or not in a near future DLC. Of course I'm a optimistic person soooo....yeah.  

 

what happened to the disney and unicorns???? So pessimistic in here sometimes.....

 

You're not alone! I want a happy ending!!! I'm very hopeful that there will be a satisfying ending that allows Solavellan to stay together or separate, as the player decides. So we can have a happy or sad ending depending on how we want to RP it.

 

*clings desperately to optimism*

[InkQuest]

Lyrium is people.

 

Er, OT I know, but was this established for "normal" Lyrium...? I know Red Lyrium grows like a nasty infection and turns people into it, but I can't recall seeing anything about normal Lyrium except it being "alive" in a sense.

 

(Unless you meant the red stuff, in which case sorry for the pointless post.)

[Tielis]

Now I'm imagining all kinds of sitcom-esque scenarios with the whole Island-idea; June, the goddess of craft is the only one building the boat because all the others consider it beneath them but still keep arguing that she's building it wrong with Falon'Din insisting she should make it in his image (because according to Solas, he is apparently very vain).

 

Andruil trying to catch the one thing left alive on the entire island; a mouse, which managed to survive her obsessive hunting while Ghilan'nain is desperately trying to keep it safe.

 

Everytime June manages to finish the damn boat, one or all of her fellow gods always ends up sinking it in someway especially Elgar'nan with his tantrums.

 

I love this, but pssst June is a "he".  

[Aetheria]

Now I'm imagining all kinds of sitcom-esque scenarios with the whole Island-idea; June, the goddess of craft is the only one building the boat because all the others consider it beneath them but still keep arguing that she's building it wrong with Falon'Din insisting she should make it in his image (because according to Solas, he is apparently very vain).

 

Andruil trying to catch the one thing left alive on the entire island; a mouse, which managed to survive her obsessive hunting while Ghilan'nain is desperately trying to keep it safe.

 

Everytime June manages to finish the damn boat, one or all of her fellow gods always ends up sinking it in someway especially Elgar'nan with his tantrums.

Gilligan's Island with ancient elven gods? This needs to be a fanfic now pls.

[Shechinah]

Even if they somehow manage to keep the boat from being sunk, Solas is not worried; They still have to decide who should row.

 

Edit: And fixed, thanks

[Cheerios789]

Re:  Happy ending.

 

So the way I see it we need to look at the facts as we know them.  Solas is immortal, Lavellan is mortal.

 

Alright here are the options.

 

1.  Solas gives up immortality and lives happily ever after with her.  Then he dies and the world is short one Dread Wolf.  That does not seem happy.

 

2.  Solas does not give up immortality and lives happily ever after with her.  Then she dies and Solas spends the rest of his days walking the Fade alone and sad.  Until one day he meets someone new.

 

3.  Lavellan ascends to godhood (see Ghilli'nain).  I really really don't want this cliche to happen.  It just seems ... cheap.

 

4.  Solas teaches Lavellan how to enter Uthenera when she reaches her declining years and spends the rest of his life next to her in the Fade.

 

The problem with happy ending to this story is that this story is not the right shape unless something major and game changing comes along.  I would love love love to see a perfectly written happy ending, but I just don't see it coming.  Honestly that is one of the major draws of this romance for me.  It is a tragedy, a big beautiful mythos rich tragedy.  Like a damn fairytale, but closer to the original version with blood and guts and sadness.

 

But I can give hugs and hope ... always hope never despair.

[Tielis]

Er, OT I know, but was this established for "normal" Lyrium...? I know Red Lyrium grows like a nasty infection and turns people into it, but I can't recall seeing anything about normal Lyrium except it being "alive" in a sense.

 

(Unless you meant the red stuff, in which case sorry for the pointless post.)

 

I was referencing

Spoiler

Soylent Green

[TheComfyCat]

Re:  Happy ending.

 

So the way I see it we need to look at the facts as we know them.  Solas is immortal, Lavellan is mortal.

 

Alright here are the options.

 

1.  Solas gives up immortality and lives happily ever after with her.  Then he dies and the world is short one Dread Wolf.  That does not seem happy.

 

2.  Solas does not give up immortality and lives happily ever after with her.  Then she dies and Solas spends the rest of his days walking the Fade alone and sad.  Until one day he meets someone new.

 

3.  Lavellan ascends to godhood (see Ghilli'nain).  I really really don't want this cliche to happen.  It just seems ... cheap.

 

4.  Solas teaches Lavellan how to enter Uthenera when she reaches her declining years and spends the rest of his life next to her in the Fade.

 

The problem with happy ending to this story is that this story is not the right shape unless something major and game changing comes along.  I would love love love to see a perfectly written happy ending, but I just don't see it coming.  Honestly that is one of the major draws of this romance for me.  It is a tragedy, a big beautiful mythos rich tragedy.  Like a damn fairytale, but closer to the original version with blood and guts and sadness.

 

But I can give hugs and hope ... always hope never despair.

 

It's okay if Lavellan stays mortal, and they stay together for her lifetime. They don't need to have eternity to be happy and in love.