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[Cheerios789]

It'll be like romancing Anders, but ... not really like that either.

 

I'm not sure how to phrase it o.o

 

The problem is we wouldn't know if the dominant personality was the one we've been talking to (ie Solas) or if it was Fen'harel.  That would make sense in a way since Solas is constantly saying he gets this knowledge from the Fade. 

 

Still, Anders told us what was going on.  He may have been a psycopath, but he told us what was going on right up front too.

 

That is what makes me think that Solas = Fen'harel completely.  I don't think Bioware would let us romance a possessed person without giving us a heads up.  I mean Solas still could have lied and said it was a "Spirit of Wisdom" or something like that.  But he didn't go all glowy crazypants in the Fade, like Anders did.  And Cole didn't speak up which I think he would have if Solas was possessed.

[Mims]

Is Lavellan being mortal really such a big issue? Sure, she might die and he'd live on. But presumably Solas has had to deal with this before. It doesn't make it easy, it doesn't make him care any less. It would be a tragedy, and it would hurt. But people don't tend to just exist in constant agony when a loved one dies. Life goes on. You aren't expected to just die because the love of your life dies. 

 

I'm not a really big fan of the idea that the only way they can be together is for one of them to give up mortality/immortality. Love is a great, wonderful thing! But it isn't the be all end all of someone's life. 

[kalasaurus]

Off topic questions about DA: I's story (I'll put it in spoiler tags so not to completely derail the conversation):

 

Spoiler

If I choose the templar recruitment quest (which I'm about to do), is it true that Redcliffe burns to the ground?  I thought I heard that somewhere, and I'd rather avoid that happening.

[Birdy]

Whoa, this is amazing.  I never thought of Quizzy using Solas as a substitute Keeper.

Pretty SFW, don't know if it'll stay that way.

http://archiveofouro...g/works/2760119

[Uirebhiril]

Well, immortality isn't necessarily a good thing. Maybe he gets tired at the end and gives it up willingly.

 

I never got behind that idea in other stories, especially in a case of beings who are used to living a long time. Their perception would be different than ours, because all we can understand it with is 80 or so years in which we cram our lifetimes. If we lived in a world where greetings and spells could take weeks and months, things would be very different. For someone that's immortal and woke to a "broken" world in which immortality is no longer a given, I could see it being strange and disorienting... but tired? Wanting to give it up and die? Maybe, but then that might still be a mortal viewing it in the terms of "I'm old and carried my burdens and am ready to pass on." I'm hesitant to project that onto another character.

[Roxy]

Of course not! I think all of us want a happy ending.

 

There is a difference between wanting and expecting, though. If we argue about pessimistic endings here, it's only because we think it's very possible not because we want that and hate happy endings. If I'm honest, I don't really trust BioWare to necessarily always give us a happy ending choice. This is not something they've always done and they've forced bittersweet endings to things in the past. And, based on what we know about Solas, his story is ripe for a bittersweet or just plain bitter ending. Keep in mind the incredibly limited scope of his romance too, not many players would really be affected. If they think the story won't work with a happy ending, they won't put it in there. That's what I've learned from my BioWare experiences thus far.

 

If people expect a tragic ending okay fine...but there are people who expect a happy one too,why just expect a sad ending? I understand that there is a possibility that it could end bad but I also think there will be a choice for a good ending also. I just don't see this relationship going south and that's the only option we get when we see Solas again. Plus I trust the Dragon age team more than the Mass effect team who makes decisions for you apparantly  . And just because Solas's story is I don't know a word to describe it...but it doesn't mean it's going to end sad and bittersweet. 

[kalasaurus]

Is Lavellan being mortal really such a big issue? Sure, she might die and he'd live on. But presumably Solas has had to deal with this before. It doesn't make it easy, it doesn't make him care any less. It would be a tragedy, and it would hurt. But people don't tend to just exist in constant agony when a loved one dies. Life goes on. You aren't expected to just die because the love of your life dies. 

 

I'm not a really big fan of the idea that the only way they can be together is for one of them to give up mortality/immortality. Love is a great, wonderful thing! But it isn't the be all end all of someone's life. 

 

I think it just reminds us (or just me at least) too much of the tragedies of the real world, and stuff we've seen happen.  Like, my mom was relatively young when her husband (my father) died.  It's tragic that she'll have to live the rest of her life with out him.  I hope she moves on and finds happiness, but it's still sad.

 

At least with the immortality/mortality thing, Solas and Lavellan would have each other for the rest of their lives.  It may not be realistic, but this is a fantasy.

[Tielis]

I never got behind that idea in other stories, especially in a case of beings who are used to living a long time. Their perception would be different than ours, because all we can understand it with is 80 or so years in which we cram our lifetimes. If we lived in a world where greetings and spells could take weeks and months, things would be very different. For someone that's immortal and woke to a "broken" world in which immortality is no longer a given, I could see it being strange and disorienting... but tired? Wanting to give it up and die? Maybe, but then that might still be a mortal viewing it in the terms of "I'm old and carried my burdens and am ready to pass on." I'm hesitant to project that onto another character.

 

This is the theme in Anne Rice's vampire novels as well.  I think that depends on what kind of person you are.  If you're the kind of person who loves life, then living a long time is a joy.  If you're the kind of person who is just miserable, then immortality would be a horrible, horrible experience.  There are too many old people in this world who are just waiting to die because of their outlook (and circumstance, agreed).

[Miss This or That]

I never got behind that idea in other stories, especially in a case of beings who are used to living a long time. Their perception would be different than ours, because all we can understand it with is 80 or so years in which we cram our lifetimes. If we lived in a world where greetings and spells could take weeks and months, things would be very different. For someone that's immortal and woke to a "broken" world in which immortality is no longer a given, I could see it being strange and disorienting... but tired? Wanting to give it up and die? Maybe, but then that might still be a mortal viewing it in the terms of "I'm old and carried my burdens and am ready to pass on." I'm hesitant to project that onto another character.

 

Especially because Solas still holds himself high and mighty when it comes to the overall population of Thedas. Someone like him wouldn't throw his life away, he'd rather make everyone else immortal, too. Or at least Lavellan, since she holds so much potential.

[RynJ]

If people expect a tragic ending okay fine...but there are people who expect a happy one too,why just expect a sad ending? I understand that there is a possibility that it could end bad but I also think there will be a choice for a good ending also. I just don't see this relationship going south and that's the only option we get when we see Solas again. Plus I trust the Dragon age team more than the Mass effect team who makes decisions for you apparantly  . And just because Solas's story is I don't know a word to describe it...but it doesn't mean it's going to end sad and bittersweet. 

 

Because of who he is and because they've hinted that he's trying to do a possibly world-breaking thing. It's a reasonable expectation and I never said that nobody can or should expect a happy ending. It's possible we'll get that too! I'm just not so incredibly optimistic about that but that's just me. 

 

I'd love for Solas and Cari to run off and be happy together, personally!

[Arahnea]

I was watching Guardians of the Galaxy yesterday when all of a sudden :

Solas...Is that you? Is that when they took your orb?

[Eivuwan]

When people say they think Solas is boring:

 

 

Argh, what's the point of "like" quotas. I want to like this!

[Roxy]

I think it just reminds us (or just me at least) too much of the tragedies of the real world, and stuff we've seen happen.  Like, my mom was relatively young when her husband (my father) died.  It's tragic that she'll have to live the rest of her life with out him.  I hope she moves on and finds happiness, but it's still sad.

 

At least with the immortality/mortality thing, Solas and Lavellan would have each other for the rest of their lives.  It may not be realistic, but this is a fantasy.

 

I agree.

 

My Hubby is 18 years older than me. I knew that before I married him I could end up alone in the future cause he's older than I am but I love him so much that I didn't/don't care. When you love someone you want to be with them no matter what and that's what I would like to see with Lavellan and Solas.

 

Also I pray that your mom will find happiness again and you, I lost my dad when I was 13 and it sucks to not have a father figure around. GOD Bless you both. 

[InkQuest]

Is Lavellan being mortal really such a big issue? Sure, she might die and he'd live on. But presumably Solas has had to deal with this before. It doesn't make it easy, it doesn't make him care any less. It would be a tragedy, and it would hurt. But people don't tend to just exist in constant agony when a loved one dies. Life goes on. You aren't expected to just die because the love of your life dies. 

 

I'm not a really big fan of the idea that the only way they can be together is for one of them to give up mortality/immortality. Love is a great, wonderful thing! But it isn't the be all end all of someone's life. 

 

It's not a huge issue, no, but I think it all stems from wanting a happy ending. No body really wants to sit and think "She's going to die in what will actually be a relatively short time for him" because that's not exactly cheerful. Something commonly touted in our world as part living a "full happy life" is to grow old and die with your significant other, so it makes sense to want that for your protagonist. Too many people don't necessarily get that, and it's sad when you can't even get that in your fantasy game.

[Jaderail]

I was watching Guardians of the Galaxy yesterday when all of a sudden :

Solas...Is that you? Is that when they took your orb?

 

 

O_O

[Eivuwan]

Is Lavellan being mortal really such a big issue? Sure, she might die and he'd live on. But presumably Solas has had to deal with this before. It doesn't make it easy, it doesn't make him care any less. It would be a tragedy, and it would hurt. But people don't tend to just exist in constant agony when a loved one dies. Life goes on. You aren't expected to just die because the love of your life dies. 

 

I'm not a really big fan of the idea that the only way they can be together is for one of them to give up mortality/immortality. Love is a great, wonderful thing! But it isn't the be all end all of someone's life. 

 

yeah, but for normal people, you also die so your "missing someone" period has an end to it as well. But for Solas, he clearly does not deal with loss well. He misses his old friends and it would be hard for him to lose Lavellan too. Missing someone for an eternity is something that we can't imagine.

[Roxy]

Because of who he is and because they've hinted that he's trying to do a possibly world-breaking thing. It's a reasonable expectation and I never said that nobody can or should expect a happy ending. It's possible we'll get that too! I'm just not so incredibly optimistic about that but that's just me. 

 

I'd love for Solas and Cari to run off and be happy together, personally!

 

 

Girl you need more optimism:

 

 

 

[CardinalSin90]

Solas and Lavellan being mortals reminds me of the two guardians in divinity :original sin.

[Eivuwan]

I never got behind that idea in other stories, especially in a case of beings who are used to living a long time. Their perception would be different than ours, because all we can understand it with is 80 or so years in which we cram our lifetimes. If we lived in a world where greetings and spells could take weeks and months, things would be very different. For someone that's immortal and woke to a "broken" world in which immortality is no longer a given, I could see it being strange and disorienting... but tired? Wanting to give it up and die? Maybe, but then that might still be a mortal viewing it in the terms of "I'm old and carried my burdens and am ready to pass on." I'm hesitant to project that onto another character.

 

Well, even the ancient elves willingly go into eternal sleep eventually which is almost like dying. I think it's safe to say that immortality is tiring even for the ancients.

[Amriah]

yeah, but for normal people, you also die so your "missing someone" period has an end to it as well. But for Solas, he clearly does not deal with loss well. He misses his old friends and it would be hard for him to lose Lavellan too. Missing someone for an eternity is something that we can't imagine.

 

Also remember his worst fear is dying alone so... yeah. Where's the optimism crew?

[kalasaurus]

I agree.

 

My Hubby is 18 years older than me. I knew that before I married him I could end up alone in the future cause he's older than I am but I love him so much that I didn't/don't care. When you love someone you want to be with them no matter what and that's what I would like to see with Lavellan and Solas.

 

Also I pray that your mom will find happiness again and you, I lost my dad when I was 13 and it sucks to not have a father figure around. GOD Bless you both. 

 

Thank you.

 

My dad passed away last year from brain cancer, so I was older than 13 at the time (I'm in my 20's).  I'm so sorry though, I know it must be harder when you're younger.

 

My mom seems to be handling things well now, it's just sad that she became a widow so young.

[Cheerios789]

Whoa, this is amazing.  I never thought of Quizzy using Solas as a substitute Keeper.

Pretty SFW, don't know if it'll stay that way.

http://archiveofouro...g/works/2760119

 

Thank you.  This is wonderful. 

[Tielis]

I agree.

 

My Hubby is 18 years older than me. I knew that before I married him I could end up alone in the future cause he's older than I am but I love him so much that I didn't/don't care. When you love someone you want to be with them no matter what and that's what I would like to see with Lavellan and Solas.

 

Also I pray that your mom will find happiness again and you, I lost my dad when I was 13 and it sucks to not have a father figure around. GOD Bless you both. 

 

Age is just a number, outlook on life is what really counts.  I'm 19 years older than my hubby.  

[Vylix]

Is Lavellan being mortal really such a big issue? Sure, she might die and he'd live on. But presumably Solas has had to deal with this before. It doesn't make it easy, it doesn't make him care any less. It would be a tragedy, and it would hurt. But people don't tend to just exist in constant agony when a loved one dies. Life goes on. You aren't expected to just die because the love of your life dies. 

 

I'm not a really big fan of the idea that the only way they can be together is for one of them to give up mortality/immortality. Love is a great, wonderful thing! But it isn't the be all end all of someone's life. 

I always found the whole watching someone else get old but you stay the same age thing a little... odd/uncomfortable. It is by no means a requirement to have someone give up mortality/immortality but Lavellan is still elven. As far as I remember there is some dispute over whether the Dalish have longer lifespans than other elves due to Lanaya's statement that they have lengthy lifespans, Master Ilen's story about his parentage, and some claims that Dalish have human lifespans. It might just be due to some lore being changed or tweaked from what it originally was, or it might be due to some rare cases, but if such was true it brings up the problem of the Dalish forgetting so much lore in so few generations.

 

ramble ramble, back to the point. There isn't confirmation about how long Dalish currently live, and past elves had been immortal. It's plausible for Lavellan to, with some help, figure out how to gain back the immortality the elves had lost. There's also the question of Solas' lifespan. Is he actually immortal or does he have a way in which he sustains himself that we do not understand yet? As far as we know Solas could just have an extremely extended lifespan as he is afraid of dying alone. The wording of his fear just seems a bit odd to me if he were truly immortal. He could always make some horcruxes to avoid most deaths, so I'd argue his fear would be more along the lines of being the last one left, watching everyone else die or failing to correct his mistakes, as death itself would be a secondary concern.

 

Basically, I think there should be, and it is plausible for there to be, an option of sorts to match lifespans but the option of keeping current lifespans should be there as well.

[Ajna]

Also remember his worst fear is dying alone so... yeah. Where's the optimism crew?